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What Restrictions Should Student Laptops Have?

An anonymous reader writes "We're a school district in the beginning phases of a laptop program which has the eventual goal of putting a Macbook in the hands of every student from 6th to 12th grade. The students will essentially own the computers, are expected to take them home every night, and will be able to purchase the laptops for a nominal fee upon graduation. Here's the dilemma — how much freedom do you give to students? The state mandates web filtering on all machines. However, there is some flexibility on exactly what should be filtered. Are things like Facebook and Myspace a legitimate use of a school computer? What about games, forums, or blogs, all of which could be educational, distracting or obscene? We also have the ability to monitor any machine remotely, lock the machine down at certain hours, prevent the installation of any software by the user, and prevent the use of iChat. How far do we take this? While on one hand we need to avoid legal problems and irresponsible behavior, there's a danger of going so far to minimize liability that we make the tool nearly useless. Equally concerning is the message sent to the students. Will a perceived lack of trust cripple the effectiveness of the program?"

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  1. none by QuantumG · · Score: 5, Insightful

    don't be a nazi.

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    1. Re:none by magarity · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That's a great way to prepare them for the real world, isn't it, where corporate computers are locked down pretty hard. I think a better idea would be to survey some companies (larger ones with as many or more employees as there are students) in the local area and average out their practices.

    2. Re:none by againjj · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Especially since the statement is "The students will essentially own the computers." Given that that is the intent, then they need to be managed accordingly. That means minimal controls/intrusion, just enough to satisfy the requirement: "The state mandates web filtering on all machines." There is no way one can stop kids from doing things with the machines, nor does one really want to.

      As far as lock down, security assumes no physical access. How do you handle someone who reformats the drive? And disk target mode? Resetting passwords with an install disk? Really, trying to stop someone from doing something to a laptop that they have most of the day every day is not going to work. Do the minimum and forget about it: don't ask don't tell. At home, parents can police. At school, they are watched already.

    3. Re:none by yashachan · · Score: 5, Informative

      The First Amendment pretty much does not apply to public k12 schools, though how much of those rights are removed is dependent on the state.

    4. Re:none by samkass · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I see this argument a lot to justify various technology decisions in schools. Your advice makes a lot of sense for a secretarial or vo-tech program. But generally, the mission of a school is very different from the mission of a corporation, and getting a solid education is about a lot more than how to "prepare them for the real world". Use the tool appropriate for the job-- don't take what corporations do and assume it will be what's best for educational needs.

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    5. Re:none by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In the real world employers don't and or legally can't force you to censor your personal PC's at home, where they are not paying for the Internet Service.

      In this instance the State (via the Education System), is providing a PC to the student, the majority of these student's parents will not "see a need" to buy the student their own privately-owned PC, so essentially it's censorship via manipulation (if you can't filter the kids via the ISPs, do it by providing State-owned/Leased machines with the censorship built-in).

      I wonder if the original poster is an Australian who's school is buying PC's under the Digital Education Revolution instigated by Julia "I'm a Socialist" Gillard

      Anyway... the (clever) kids will bypass the filtering and remote management within a few hours/days of getting the machines, so the point is more or less moot.

    6. Re:none by calmofthestorm · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I've never used a computer with filtering in any of my schools or jobs and it's been very convenient. Generally you want to just adjust the monitor so it's visible from the hall. Solves a lot of problems.

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    7. Re:none by jcr · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That's a great way to prepare them for the real world, isn't it, where corporate computers are locked down pretty hard.

      In my career (since 1982), there have only been two places I've worked where the computers were "locked down", and these restrictions were trivially bypassed. There were policies in effect at these companies, including one where you supposedly had to apply to your manager for permission to access each indivdual web site. In practice, it took about two or three days before any new employee or contractor was told the IP number of the unrestricted proxy.

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    8. Re:none by davester666 · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, they have to learn how the real world works. So the IT policy has to seem completely arbitrary and stupid, as it is the result of group-think.

      Maybe
      -enable email and web surfing, but they can only use msn for searching
      -block AOL and MSN but not Yahoo instant messaging
      -block accessing piratebay.org (the dns entry), but not the IP address or aliases for it
      -block nntp port, but not alternate ports

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    9. Re:none by dmizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In the real world employers don't and or legally can't force you to censor your personal PC's at home, where they are not paying for the Internet Service.

      Too bad you posted AC, that's worth some mod points.

      Reality is, the school has no jurisdiction over what the student does off school grounds. Including what they do on their computer.

      IANAL, but if you want to control what they can and can't do with the computers, you have to keep the computers on school property. Otherwise, I suspect you would be running into legal issues.

      The above post is also right in recognizing that no matter what you do to try to prevent the students from doing certain things on the computer ... if they want to do it, they'll do it. Live CD's anyone? How about a dual boot?

    10. Re:none by the_womble · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Anyway... the (clever) kids will bypass the filtering and remote management within a few hours/days of getting the machines, so the point is more or less moot.

      That is my objection to this.

      Locking things down is futile without punishment for kids who work around it. Given the incentives, the punishment will have to be heavy to be effective.

      By giving them their own laptops to take home, you are giving them a very strong temptation to break the rules. All the more so because they are now less likely to have their own PCs - an issue that does not apply to adults taking an employer's laptop home.

      Another difference is that you are saying that they will "essentially own" the laptops. This is likely to make them feel that they have the right to do what they want with them.

      It would be far better to do what employers do and say: this is our laptop, use it for what we say: if you want to do anything else, buy your own. I am assuming that letting them actually treat them as if them own them is not an option.

    11. Re:none by torkus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Heck, how about a restore CD, hard drive swap, etc. etc. etc. Most people here know that physical access = compromised system.

      And it's really that simple. The more rules and restrictions you put around this, the more you will make "criminals" out of ordinary students. If you make it a suspend-able offense to tamper, kids will truecrypt a dual boot partition, swap drives for 'inspection time' or any one of a number of things. I guar-an-tee-ee that the student body will break whatever restrictions are put on the systems. While it's a good lesson to get them familiar with the computers, i doubt it's the kind of lesson you intend to teach.

      I know there are some legal restrictions - i would do the bare minimum to meet those. THEN, set the expectation that students are responsible for the content of their laptops. If a student is caught showing or looking at porn *on school time/property*, they should be punished severely. Similar for wares, etc.

      But let's be honest... Give a 16 year old boy a computer and his first private action is going to be to look for porn. If you try to prevent that entirely you're 1) fighting the inevitable B) not dealing with the reality of the situation and iii) wasting everyone's time.

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    12. Re:none by calzones · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Don't be a nazi" is not just the most ethical advice, it's also the most practical.

      Here's how to defeat any censorship attempts:

      1) boot macbook while holding T key and it's connected to another mac via firewire
      2) drag home folder / apps and files you care about off your macbook when it shows up as an external FW drive on the other machine
      3) launch disk utility on the other machine and reformat the drive on the macbook
      4) shut down the macbook and boot it back up using the Leopard install DVD
      5) install Leopard
      6) migrate your files back and enjoy your new computer

      Here's how you REALLY NEED TO HANDLE IT:

      IN THE SCHOOL
      1) set up port and internet filtering as per state/local law and reasonable requirements. Block chat stuff.
      2) walk around frequently to monitor usage
      3) make restrictions and penalties for unauthorized usage crystal clear

      AT HOME
      Students are free to do whatever they want with the laptop but parents are on the hook to ensure the students don't do anything the parents don't want. It's not the school's responsibility anymore once it's at home.

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    13. Re:none by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I support this, but not on grounds of being "no nazi" but simply on grounds of common sense.

      The more you restrict, the higher the chance that your pupils mess with your setup to circumvent your restrictions. I.e. the tighter you put the restrictions, the more maintainence will be required to keep the computers in a working state. You're not their employer. You can't fire them when they "accidently" break their computers time and time again. You can't even give them worse grades because it will backfire on you again when parents complain that you required those notebooks and now you even punish their precious little kid when your damn machines from hell don't work.

      And heavens forbid if they actually manage to break the security mechanisms. Because one thing is certain: Things go around at the schoolyard REALLY fast. If one machine is broken, it takes no week 'til all of them are. Factor in that the average 8-12 grader has a LOT more spare time to break the machine than you have to secure it. They have the internet and thus the tools, and they have no inhibition to use them both against you and your security mechanisms trying to keep them from using their machine the way they want to.

      Then you're liable because you actually implemented security AND you cannot enforce it.

      What I would suggest is that you brush off the blame to the parents. Have them sign a paper that their kids may only use the notebooks the way they are supposed to be used. If they can't enforce it, sucks to be them. But at least they won't come to you and blame you if little Jonny is looking at pron on the computer he got from you.

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  2. No offense... by BorgAssimilator · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We also have the ability to monitor any machine remotely, lock the machine down at certain hours, prevent the installation of any software by the user, and prevent the use of iChat.

    No offense or anything, but I wouldn't touch one of those with a 10 foot pole with those restrictions, especially with the "monitor any machine remotely" part.

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  3. They'll just use their own laptops. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You can't put too many restrictions on them, or else they'll ditch the school-provided laptops for something else.

  4. Can of worms. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What are kids going to to do when they break these things taking them home very night? I wouldn't want my kid carrying around one of the schools computers every day.

  5. What Restrictions Should Student Laptops Have? by djupedal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How about ....n o n e...?

    Given that most students will need little time to work around any restrictions in their way. Use the program as a way to demonstrate trust.

  6. Myspace? Facebook? by slack-fu · · Score: 5, Funny

    Judging from practically every computer with a body in front of it at my local community college, these are the only 2 reasons to even have a computer.

  7. What's the goal here? by modestmelody · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why are students each getting a laptop? What's the goal? Is it to have a single environment with a single set of software that students can all work on commonly to assure instruction can make use of computers effectively? Is it simply to ensure students have computer literacy and/or access to computers for those who do not? How are you going to use these laptops day to day that is unique to what can be done from a home computer or library computer or computer cluster? These are the questions you have to ask before determining how much you want to limit student use. My initial inclination is that limiting the ability to mess with these computers is a huge mistake. It makes students less likely to learn about the machines they're using and less likely to use these machines. It makes these computers a hassle and something used solely for class assignments that cannot be done any other way and a paper weight the rest of the time. The only limitations should be use of anti-virus software and other protections so that they cannot hurt the network at the school when attached to it. Blocking ports for instant messaging services and internet filtering while in school is appropriate to ensure the integrity of the network, but crippling the computers is not necessary or advantageous. Are students really going to be expected to use a single machine bought in 6th grade through 12th grade? Are you going to be able to remove these restrictions, and be willing to go through the work to do so, when students buy their computers out right when they graduate? That could be a ton of work. Protect the network, block stuff from coming in that can affect other machines, but don't cripple the computers themselves. You'll only assure their limited use/usefulness. But honestly, before spending all that money, there need to be some good answers as to why your curriculum has unique needs that require each student have a laptop.

  8. Good lesson in black market economics by vanyel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The geeks in the classes will make a killing doing clean installs for those who can't figure out how to do it themselves. It will also install a very healthy antipathy for authority, what isn't already created by the school officials' other, similarly misguided, actions.

  9. Wrong forum by Jeff+Hornby · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You're really asking the wrong people about this. Most of the replies you're going to get on Slashdot will be no restrictions because I wouldn't want restrictions on my machine. This is true for adults but you're dealing with children, some as young as 11 years old.

    The people you really should be talking to are the parents in your district. Ultimately what their children see and how they interact with the world is up to the parents. I imagine that you will probably have a number of views that you will have to synthesize. Perhaps even create a number of different user profiles and allow parents to choose which one their child will fit into. But the first stop is ask the parents. As an upside, some of the parents will have grappled with many of the same problems at work and will probably have some insights.

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  10. None, because they will break restrictions anyway. by TheSpoom · · Score: 5, Interesting

    See title. Have you been in a high school where students have access to computers that have such filtering? They get around it really quickly, and such information spreads like wildfire. And the fun thing with laptops is, you'll never know since they'll only do it at home.

    Filtering just won't work. Trust the students a little. You can't expect them to just use the laptops for schoolwork... it's just unrealistic, and it's unnecessary.

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  11. Only at school by Chaos+Incarnate · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There should only be restrictions while the users are at school. There shouldn't be any restrictions outside of school—it's in loco parentis, not semper parentis.

    As such, any filtering should be left on your network connection. If you want to block the ports iChat uses at school, go ahead. If you want to filter the web, go ahead. But there's no reason they shouldn't be able to use them at home.

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  12. Contradiction by sheetsda · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The students will essentially own the computers, are expected to take them home every night

    We also have the ability to monitor any machine remotely, lock the machine down at certain hours, prevent the installation of any software by the user, and prevent the use of iChat

    These two statements are contradictory. The sooner you accept this the less expensive the lesson will be for all involved.

  13. I'm a tech coordinator for a small district... by Pollux · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...about 300 kids K-12. I'm a little surprised that you're asking this question. Are you a technology coordinator who is now addressing these concerns for a district who has never addressed them until now?

    Most districts have access restriction policies that students have to agree to and sign. I'm sure about 95% of the Slashdot crowd's gonna scream to high heaven against restrictions, but it's a no-brainer. In short, four letters: CIPA. From the FCC's webpage:

    Schools and libraries subject to CIPA are required to adopt and implement a policy addressing: (a) access by minors to inappropriate matter on the Internet; (b) the safety and security of minors when using electronic mail, chat rooms, and other forms of direct electronic communications; (c) unauthorized access, including so-called "hacking," and other unlawful activities by minors online; (d) unauthorized disclosure, use, and dissemination of personal information regarding minors; and (e) restricting minors' access to materials harmful to them.

    These last two are really the biggest ones to consider when drafting an Acceptable Use policy, particularly the last, since "materials harmful to them" could mean practically anything.

    Our district has taken steps to block MySpace, FaceBook, etc., because all these websites allow minors to publish themselves online. If students accessed these sites at school, and the child was kidnapped due to information posted on MySpace, districts may be found liable.

    And banning MySpace will certainly not make these laptops useless. I'm surprised by this comment...it sounds quite ignorant. Districts didn't spend millions of dollars on these machines for students to post poorly-made self-portraits of themselves online. They (I hope) spent the money to grant students equal access to a tool that can be used to enhance learning. I would see a school-owned laptop in the hands of a student exactly the same way as any other computer at school. I'd restrict the hell out of it, because until they graduate and buy it for themselves, the district is responsible for what is done with that laptop.

  14. easy answer by bcrowell · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sorry, but the answer to this one is really easy. There's no evidence that giving laptops out to K-12 students has any positive effect on education whatsoever. Since their educational effectiveness is zero, the educational impact of any of these decisions that you make will also be zero. If you want to make absolutely sure you don't get sued by parents who are upset about how their kids were damaged for life by seeing porn, uncable all the hard disks before you hand out the computers.

  15. Reality on line 1 by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My mom recently caught my kid sister (age 12) visiting some "inappropriate sites", and immediately went off the deep end, asking about filtering, auditing, locking the system down, the works. So we talked about it, and I let it sit for a few days, then invited my friend over and we had a "big sister" chat. And then I showed her how to delete entries from her browsing history.

    Let me tell you right now -- there's no way to lock a system down. There's no way to filter, audit, etc., to a kid. Besides, kids are bored most of the time anyway and all you're giving them is a challenge. So the way I see it, you've got two options -- either you act as the gatekeeper, or you act as the guide. You can't be both.

    The gatekeeper is the filters, the auditing, the monitoring -- in short, the parent. Is this a role you want to play as school administrators? Are you prepared for the legal responsibility? I know you're going to be catching flack from people like my mom who are going to throw a knipshit the moment their precious snowflake gets busted reading harry potter slashfic, or realize that google image search for hentai or eucci brings up cartoon-depicted sex acts. They'll be at your school board meetings, on your voice mail, and holding the ears of everyone they can get a hold of. Visualize that for a minute. The state of the art in filtering and monitoring cannot and never will fully succeed in its stated goals, if only because it's a shifting target and defining "appropriate for minors" is about as useful an excercise as re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

    Your second role is equally perilous. You be the guide -- which means educating those students. This is the computer equivalent of sex ed classes. You need to tell them what's online (and I mean what's really out there), what the risks are, and how they can protect themselves. You need to instill in them the ability to make moral and ethical decisions about their conduct online, with the explicit understanding that you can't stop them from going where they shouldn't -- only that they know what the consequences are (or could be). And here again, the parents are going to throw a knipshit and want your head over religious matters, etc., and flying spaghetti monster we go.

    My advice is to offer some limited education to the students about what's out there, how to stay safe, and offer filtering and monitoring software for the parents to use. Ultimately you need to get the responsibility for how the students use these systems off your shoulders, or you will find yourself in a very special kind of hell that will do neither your school district nor your career any good. The key words here is "informed consent." You make a good faith effort to educate, cover your ass with disclaimers, and leave the final decision to the parents. Do not give these people any way to wiggle out of responsibility for their darling little crotch-fruit. It's blunt, but there it is -- you have to look out for yourself here first.

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  16. Re:...What? by Kalriath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There are arguments in favor of the asus as well (cheap, moderately usable, teach the kids about free software, cheap) but don't act like using a mac for education is so ridiculous.

    It is so ridiculous. There is no way taxpayer money should be used to purchase something as ridiculously overpriced as a bulk load of MacBooks (a few for school use, fine). This school board needs some serious management changes if they're greenlighting this sort of purchase when there are much cheaper options.

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  17. No pr0n! by martin-boundary · · Score: 5, Funny
    Absolutely. The. Most. Important. Restriction. Is: block the pr0n sites.

    There's just no way to appreciate them properly on those tiny laptop LCD screens.

  18. Re:Panasonic tough books by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have a 5 year old Toughbook that regularly get's tossed 20 feet into the bed of a pickup truck. sometimes I miss and hit the pavement on the other side of the truck.

    It's great, freaks out contractors all the time.
    "Wow cool laptop!"

    yup, it's expensive, about 3 grand.

    "wow!"

    gotta go, hey watch this. Throw it at the wall, dump my coffee in the keyboard.

    "holy crap!!! what are you doing????"

    Trying to get the boss to buy me a new one...

    Mine looks like it has spent 3 tours of duty in iraq. I get really wierd looks at starbucks with it sitting there with road rash and a dent in the corner.

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