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Configuring a Windows PC For a Senior Citizen?

An anonymous reader writes "I would like to know if there are any resources on the Web or elsewhere describing how to configure a Windows PC for an older parent not living in the same household. Assume little computer familiarity or aptitude. Some stuff is obvious, like using only a few large icons for favorite Web sites, or an icon perhaps for composing email and another for checking email. Other considerations are eliminating nuisance messages from Windows update and antivirus/firewall. What works and what doesn't? Can anyone who has worked/volunteered at a senior center offer some insights?"

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  1. Install Ubuntu by Peeloo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've had the same problem with my parents for years, going back home each Christmas to reformat windows and spending the week getting the configuration back to normal. For the last 3 years they've used Ubuntu, with some problem with the printer the first few months, but now I'm just spending a few minutes pushing the "Upgrade Version" button instead of a total reformat. They can check their mail/internet and you don't have to worry about virus/firewall, win-win :)

    1. Re:Install Ubuntu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Strongly agree. This is the approach I took with technically-deficient people, and it works great.

      Windows is the worst choice for this set up. It literally breaks by itself, and remains by an astronomical margin the main target of crackers, spam, phishing, viruses, etc. Trying to keep it going is a lot of work.

      The one (and only IMO) major advantage it has is the availability of options (software, hardware), and if this isn't important - which it isn't, in the set up you're describing - then look to the alternatives.

    2. Re:Install Ubuntu by silanea · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Second that. My mother had avoided any and all contact with computers up until a year ago. I slapped Ubuntu on my old notebook, gave her a crash course in "doing things with that machine" and happiness ensued. She does ask me things from time to time, but so far she hasn't been able to break anything.

      Particularly the update management comes in handy: On Windows every program has its own confusing and annoying way of locating updates. On Linux you get one window asking you for one click.

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    3. Re:Install Ubuntu by austin987 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Agree with parent. While many /.'ers are probably using some version of linux already, it's really a good solution for parents, etc. A few years ago, my mother's PC died after a bunch of virii and finally a hard drive failure. I built a new one and told her I was tired of fixing all those problems, and she was going to try something new. Installed Ubuntu (Dapper or Edgy IIRC), made sure her e-mail/favorite websites worked and gave it to her. Aside from having to explain how to install updates, she hasn't had a problem to date.

      On a similar note, I gave my grandmother an old laptop and stripped out most of the ubuntu install, and filled it with lots of games. Locked down her account so she can't screw anything up, removed all shortcuts except games. She has bad insomnia, and enjoys playing the card games/mahjong at night. Works well for her, aside from her occasionally unplugging it instead of shutting it down properly (I'm going to set it to mount / as read only to prevent this when I go there for holidays).

      Long story short, seriously consider using Ubuntu, the learning curve for it is much easier than teaching them to avoid spyware/virii.

    4. Re:Install Ubuntu by msormune · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A Week? Really? :) Why did you format it in the first place? Why did you setup a restore image in the first place created on the Windows clean installation?

      And the last time I did Upgrade Version on Ubuntu, it took an hour just to download the new files.

      I have really no problem your post and have used Ubuntu desktop with success in the past, but it just irks me how much GNU/Linux people bend the truth when pushing their agenda. Or maybe they really just don't know any better than just to "format and reinstall" on Windows.

    5. Re:Install Ubuntu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      my mother's PC died after a bunch of virii

      The plural of virus is viruses

    6. Re:Install Ubuntu by Hognoxious · · Score: 5, Funny

      My platypii died of a virus, you insensitive clod!

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    7. Re:Install Ubuntu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I know Fanboy Homos will get crazy and crucify me for what I will say but this is was my experience:
      Like a good fanboy linux advocate, I installed Ubuntu on all my elderly relatives computers, my grand-dad, dad and mom, they all live on different houses, and hours of plane travel from me.
      So, I even installed VNC so I could manage their GUI desktops if necessary. I showed them the pretty Gnome GUI and the pretty browsers and how to use e-mail, so they were pretty happy.
      But, then it started: they couldn't access their preferred websites, because flash didn't install properly. So, I had to teach a 80 year's old how to untar and copy a library over to the mozilla directory, which was a pretty gruesome experience.
      Well, Ubuntu was such a piece of crap for them that they started to call me screaming they need their good windows computers back because their friends were going to websites and they couldn't do the same.
      So, as result, my elderly relatives found a Windows tech guy, the guy installed XP on their machines, and they were happy again.
      I had to pay for their installations, but wasn't able to avoid being banished from family forever, thanks to the fanboyish failure machine: Ubuntu.
      This Xmas, the windows tech guy will be seating at their Xmas dinner table while I will be eating Macaroni and Cheese from my microwave, alone at my house.
      So, my advice to this guy asking about his elderly relative: Do not follow the fanboys here as they don't have real families and WoW NPCs really like when their kids or grandkids install Ubuntu on their PCs, but real people don't.
      Do like this: Find a store selling LEGIT Windows XP copies. Buy one, install it, activate automatic updates. Install a good AUTOMATIC anti-virus, firewall and anti-spyware. Install Firefox and all the plugins. MAKE SURE THAT FIREFOX WORKS!!!!! (stupid FOSS...) Then activate Remote Desktop so you can fix the machine remotely. And, voila, you got a happy relative with a happy computer.
      And you can have happy Xmases forever, without have to being cursed because of the homo-fanboy F*ckuntu...

    8. Re:Install Ubuntu by Kijori · · Score: 5, Funny

      And the plural of "pedant" is Slashdot. :D

    9. Re:Install Ubuntu by suckmysav · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "I never realised how much time I spent on fixing friends windows boxen until recently."

      I'm probably a bit older than you. Quite a while back I learned to "just say no". It gets easier when you can say "I don't use Windows, you will have to find a windows person to fix that."

      Inevitably, they then ask "Don't use Windows? What do you use then?" and I'm sure you can fill in the rest yourself.

      As you've obviously realised, life gets sooo much easier after you've done this.

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    10. Re:Install Ubuntu by BrentH · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Thing is, Windows systems do appear to accumulate clutter, no matter how you use it. Be it viruses or spyware (a big problem with senior citizens, in fact all non computer aficionados) or all the updates from the basic software utils you need (Adobe reader, Quicktime, some sort of Office suite), Windows itself even. I find that a Linux system (Ubuntu in particular for me) takes all that away. Of course, no viruses or spyware, and a central updatemanager that knows what it does and doesnt accumulate cruft in the way Windows does.

      If you want maintenance free, go with Ubuntu.

    11. Re:Install Ubuntu by paganizer · · Score: 5, Informative

      Huh.
      I guess I'm doing it wrong.
      I started with 2 partitions, FAT32 & NTFS, installed Win2k Pro, then patched it up.
      Installed Tiny Personal Firewall v2.0.15, Firefox (with adblock, firenes, and IEview plugins), SpyBot, irfanview, media player classic, WinAmp 2.95, RealVNC server 4.0, adobe 5 (this was before Foxit 3 came out), their HP all-in-one printer software, DivX, Xvid & various other codec packs, Audacity (my dads a musician), open office (my moms a writer), Shockwave, Mozilla Thunderbird, Juno (my moms been using it since it was free dial-up, she likes the interface), winzip, Winrar, 7z, notepad++, JAVA, AVG, Picasa (when it came out), and thats essentially it.
      Then, a script to rar the "my documents" folder to the 1st partition at bootup once a week, incrementing rar filename each time; chkdsk /f every 2 weeks at startup, and defrag every 3 weeks.
      Disable all phone-home software, including windows update; to be safe, several domains are pointed to localhost in the HOSTS file. remove all IE & OE icons, put shortcuts for everything they are likely to need in the alluser profile. Select registry changes to turn off some of the more obnoxious windows stuff.
      After installing all this and making sure everything plays well with each other, I then ghosted the 2nd partion to a compressed image on the 1st.
      They have 2 emergency CD's; the first blows away the NTFS partition, then recreates it from the image on the 1st partition
      The 2nd is KNOPPIX; if they can't get ahold of me or think that I need to look at things before they use the other emergency CD. I also encourage them to just play around with it.
      This has worked perfectly for the last 3+ years; if they get suspicious about something, I just come in through VNC viewer and take a look; probably every day for the first 2 weeks, then maybe once a week, now maybe once a month, if that. TPF turned on to paranoid mode doesn't let anything get in or get installed without a pop-up telling you about it. I go ahead and update & run SpyBot whenever I come in for a peek (BTW, one of the recent SPyBot updates has started really screwing with the registry; it's optimized for XP and just causes Win2k's registry to expand); I usually update the virus definitions at the same time, and delete some of the older "My Documents" backups.
      They've usedthe emergency restore CD once, about 2 years ago; I need to update the image on my next visit.

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    12. Re:Install Ubuntu by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 5, Funny

      That would be a collective noun, not a plural.

      I'll get my coat....

    13. Re:Install Ubuntu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Dude, read what you just wrote. If you are serious, I would like to know how much you charge your folks for support.

      Score: 5 Ridiculous

    14. Re:Install Ubuntu by snowraver1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Grr, I wish I could so something about my parents computers. I got called several days ago, and then again yesterday after I didn't retrun the call (I'm a bad son).

      I am sick and tired of fixing fucked up windows installs. The problem is that windows is a major pain in the ass without an admin account, and running as an admin is just asking for trouble.

      Looks like this christmas, I get to fix a computer! YEY! Just like last christmas...

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    15. Re:Install Ubuntu by calmofthestorm · · Score: 5, Funny

      This is the year of the Windows desktop!

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  2. Install mac os-x by localoptimum · · Score: 5, Informative

    My father has his own business with two employees - him and his wife. He wasted years of his life (and lots of money) messing about with XP. He came to me in despair one evening, he'd had enough. I told him to try a mac (linux was not very friendly 3 years ago). Now he runs his business himself with zero IT problems and he owns about 5 macs. He still has no idea how computers work, but it doesn't stop him getting the job done.

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  3. From my own experience... by Anachragnome · · Score: 5, Informative

    Unless you can get them to understand the basics of security(which means teaching them how to use a decent virus scanner, a firewall, something like Revo Uninstaller and maybe Process Explorer) your fighting a losing battle.

    The problem will not be large icons and the magnifier set up, but keeping all the crap, malware, data farming toolbar add-ons and such off the machine. If you cannot keep this stuff off, you will be doing a serious maintenance every six months or so anyways.

    With my own mother, I think alot of that crap she ends up with are from simply mis-clicking links, or possibly on notification windows. Hard to configure against stuff like that. You can no-script them to death, but then they have to know enough about it to let the safe stuff through.

    I have just resigned myself to cleaning up my mothers machine once a year at the holidays.

  4. Doing Computers for Friends and Family by lobiusmoop · · Score: 5, Funny

    You're doomed. Just give them your telephone number and book out 3 hours per week of your time for the rest of your life.

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  5. Done this before by dmneoblade · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Make sure you give the computer with remote administration capabilities pre-setup and tested. Be prepared to be called with questions, and remote desktop can save you a LOT of time when grandma discovers popups. Or when something inevitably goes wrong.

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  6. While we're here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My parents have never driven a car, and i plan on buying them one for christmas.

    As well as never driving, they tell me they have no intention of learning but they fully intend to take it for a spin on christmas morning to go an see my brother who lives 50 miles away.

    Can someone recommend me a good car to buy them? preferably one which will work for it's entire lifetime with no maintenance or refuelling, and is instantly drivable by someone who does not know how to drive?

    1. Re:While we're here by Bert64 · · Score: 5, Funny

      A taxi.

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  7. For Older People by Whiteox · · Score: 5, Informative

    I do work occasionally for the elderly in setting up WinX computers and I regularly donate my services to various individuals.
    Apart from setting up their desktops as I've detailed in a previous post http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1072163&cid=26221671
    you need to install some helper apps.
    Avast Antivirus can be set to automatically delete/quarantine anything it finds with no user action. AVG 8 free doesn't scan chat/webcam so stay away from that if they want to use it.
    Find a good Hosts file: http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm is very good.
    Point their DNS to OpenDns http://www.opendns.com/ and use their filtering to stop phishing and other bad stuff. It also allows you to easily make customized error pages in case they find themselves in hot water.
    I would not switch off Windows Security Centre and have updates set at a reasonable time on automatic.
    Windows Media Player 11 is a must and set it to do everything.
    Also, set their screensaver to My Pictures Slideshow. They really appreciate that as many have pics of grandkids etc.
    Some elderly need good JPG editor. The easliest to use is Microsoft's PhotoEd which came in early versions of Office, Microsoft Office Picture Manager has now replaced it. It is much better in some regards as it can open larger jpegs, but the gui is considerably different. A bit of training helps. HP scanning software is very good as it has a decent editor inbuilt. Also Picassa 3 is my choice for a freebie.

    Open up their My Pictures folder and set it up in Film Strip view and to open maximized.

    IE vs Firefox: I always install Firefox and set it as default. But some apps decide to run IE, even though it is not the default. IE 6 is preferable here as it is very similar to Firefox's gui. But for security's sake, IE7 should be used and some more training required in case it pops up inadvertently. If you remove the shortcuts and pin Firefox to the Start menu, then that will be fine.

    One or Two clicks?
    This is a hard one. Some elderly can't do a double-click fast enough or accurately enough as they move the mouse off the icon by the time the 2nd click comes along. So you have to change the mouse timing (Control Panel/Mouse Properties/Double-Click Speed), or use the single-click approach. Try and stay away from the single click, because if they double click then most probably an editor of some description open up. This is particularly bad for pictures, especially when they are in Flimstrip mode or trying to copy and paste any other file.
    The other thing is to remind them to click the icon and not the words below, or otherwise they'll start editing the filename (as Rename) instead of opening something up.
    Most elderly switch things completely off. That includes monitors, speakers, modems, so check the BIOS battery every year.
    They also need a checklist in turning things on. This sounds dumb, but the calls I get that the internet doesn't work because they switched their modem on last gets annoying. Switch the modem on first. By the time the modem is connected, the computer has booted and they're ready to go.

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  8. Write things down clearly. by gzipped_tar · · Score: 5, Informative

    No matter what you do to the computer, it's not enough. Take the time to write a short, concise manual (or "cheat sheet") and print it on dead tree paper, in large and clear fonts. Write in the manual basic things like how to update the system/antivirus, etc., etc.. You can always tell them what to do but you can't expect them to remember every detail well.

    This is not meant to be an insult on senior people. You said these people are unfamiliar with computing and this is an approach for them to familiarize themselves with it. Human memory is unreliable, especially for unfamiliar things.

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  9. iMac & Grandmother experience by drewkinney · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When my Grandmother was 81 I bought her an iMac, so I could send her digital pictures and she could see my work. I'm a Mac user and wanted a machine I could help her with if She got confused. I ordered the iMac online and had it shipped to her. I called and said, "have the driver put it in the corner and I will set it up next week." She said ok. I got an email from her the next day. She got out the computer and set it up. Followed the simple instructions to get internet access and she was going. Let me qualify this story, my Grandmother never drove a car or had touch-tone phone service. She never used an ATM or Cable television. The main interface between her and the world was the newspaper. She lacked the mental model to understand how a computer is used and why. Apple's instructions and seductive packaging got her out of her comfort zone. She was very happy with the experience. I may be a nerd but my Grandmother was not. That's a success for an older age group.

  10. 640 X 480 by Comboman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've tried to explain to my mom that she's not utilizing the full power of her graphics card and that if she wants large fonts, she can adjust the font size in the display properties to be whatever she wants. I even set it up for her once. The next time I came over, it was set back to 640 X 480 because "it looks better". Apparently big blocky fonts are easier for seniors to see than big smooth fonts. Who knew?

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