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Last Major Supplier Calls It Quits For VHS

thefickler writes "The last major supplier of VHS videotapes is ditching the format in favor of DVD, effectively killing the format for good. This uncharitable commentator has this to say: 'Will VHS be missed? Not ... with videos being brittle, clunky, and rather user-unfriendly. But they ushered in a new era that was important to get to where we are today. And for that reason, the death of VHS is rather sad. Almost as sad as the people still using it.'" At least my dad's got the blank-tape market cornered.

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  1. No players on the market by dotancohen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I recently had the challenge of trying to find a VHS player in a retail store. I couldn't find one, so in that sense the format has been dead a long time. Now that no major manufacturer is producing new media, I wonder in how many years the last playable VHS cassette will wear out. 20? 50? Will there even be an operable player at that time, that can output video into a then-standard format?

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    1. Re:No players on the market by keraneuology · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I still see DVD/VHS combo units around fairly frequently....

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    2. Re:No players on the market by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I recently had the challenge of trying to find a VHS player in a retail store. I couldn't find one, so in that sense the format has been dead a long time. Now that no major manufacturer is producing new media, I wonder in how many years the last playable VHS cassette will wear out. 20? 50? Will there even be an operable player at that time, that can output video into a then-standard format?

      Probably not, although there will probably still be paid services available than can convert them to digital media. Anyone with a VHS collection who still has a working VCR had best get a good framegrabber board and start digitizing them before it's too late. I have a couple of VCRs (although I haven't used them for a long time) and for a mere $100 per tape hour I'll be happy to put them on DVD for you.

      Sure, that's ridiculous ... but wait a few years. People will be paying big money to have little Tommy's graduation video converted.

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    3. Re:No players on the market by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Here in the U.S. you can walk into your nearest Best Buy, and they likely have 3 different models on the shelf. Lots and lots of other stores have them as well.

    4. Re:No players on the market by keraneuology · · Score: 3, Informative

      There's always Amazon. But Best Buy alone has 9 on their website at the moment. They are out there - slowly fading away, but they're still out there.

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    5. Re:No players on the market by ScrewMaster · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yeah, Travan, I remember them. Nice drives, long gone.

      I used to run a multinode BBS, and we backed up the file server every night onto an HP Sure-Stor DAT drive. I still have all the tapes, but the drive died years ago. I think I could still find one (EBay, whatever) but eventually that won't be possible. And like you said, it's not all that important anyway. Twenty year old Fidonet messages and thousands upon thousands of old DOS shareware apps. Not exactly stuff anyone really needs or wants. I just couldn't make myself throw them away. Packrat instinct, I suppose. Still ... maybe now's the time.

      After that experience, I back up all my truly critical data (if we really think about what's critical most of us don't have that much ... no, your House, M.D. .AVIs don't count) to non-volatile media, with offsite storage, etc. Everything else gets copied over to the next generation of hard drive every so often. Heck, I've gone from a 5 Mb. Corvus to terabyte drives in the past 30 years. I just keep buying bigger drives and moving the stuff over.

      Like you said, though, you have to stay on top of it. It's all too easy to find yourself suddenly unable to read your old media. I understand that NASA is losing enormous quantities of 9-track tape data from the sixties because they can't find equipment to read them, and the tapes are reaching the end of their lifespan. Not good.

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    6. Re:No players on the market by sortius_nod · · Score: 4, Funny

      There's a lot here in Australia. Not that I'd buy one.

      Kind of feels like being a caveman using VHS.

      Now BetaMAX, that's a standard you can be proud of.

    7. Re:No players on the market by zoney_ie · · Score: 3, Interesting

      With €10 DVDs and now €5 or less DVDs, even the VHS tapes in my collection that I wasn't actively looking to replace are now getting replaced. There are a handful of films I can't get hold of on DVD yet, but even this year has seen old films released cheaply on DVD - so chances are I'll replace them all. Hopefully the one or two only out on Region 1 DVD will be out on Region 2 eventually - I'm not interested in the lower resolution NTSC DVDs rather than PAL.

      Even the good VHS recordings are distracting to watch nowadays, with the blurring and grain, and sub-par sound. I think I have one or two "Super VHS" recordings made from a perfect TV signal, and these are OK (again, only one or two left now that haven't been picked up on sub-€10 DVD).

      With the £/€ exchange rate, I'm hoping to fill out the cheap DVD collection a bit more in the New Year thanks to Amazon.co.uk.

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    8. Re:No players on the market by flajann · · Score: 4, Interesting

      ... Like you said, though, you have to stay on top of it. It's all too easy to find yourself suddenly unable to read your old media. I understand that NASA is losing enormous quantities of 9-track tape data from the sixties because they can't find equipment to read them, and the tapes are reaching the end of their lifespan. Not good.

      Really sad about NASA -- that information should be preserved and made publically available. The longer we wait, the more expensive it will be to recover it. We've lost all the details on building the Saturn V rocket, and we lost that a long time ago. Lots of technical hurdles had to be overcome, and it would also be good to have that information preserved for future rocket engineers.

      Then again, the history of mankind on this planet is puncuated with massive loss of information throughout the ages. Libraries are allowed to fall into decay or are destroyed by conquering nations, languages are lost to time, and the like.

      But if there's one thing us humans love doing is creating volumes and volumes of information -- just visit any library.

      And now we have the totality of the Internet, with who knows how many websites, blogs, and what not. Torrents of stuff that comes and goes. More stuff than any one person could read in a million lifetimes -- nor probably would not want to.

      Ahh, humans. A fascinating species, if I may say so myself. It will be fun to watch its progress over the next few decades.

    9. Re:No players on the market by WCLPeter · · Score: 4, Informative

      I have an old, high end mitsubishi VHS I need to get fixed (tape transport mech)

      From "tape transport mech" I'm going to assume you're saying that the tape doesn't go all the way into the unit when you insert it? If this is the case it is often caused by one of the belts that drive the gears, that operate the transport system, being worn so it's not gripping tightly.

      This happened to me on my VCR a while back, and still did until my niece decided to spill juice in it. ;-)

      If you haven't done it yet, take the cover off, plug it back in, and then insert a tape you don't care about. Watch how the gears, levers, and belts move. One of them will look like it's slipping. Probably the one that drives the equipment that pulls the tape in, lowering the cage. If the tape gets stuck, pulling the plug and then plugging it back in will usually cause the sensor to read a tape halfway in and eject it.

      Try it a few more times until you can spot what is loose or stuck. Once you spot the location, if it's easily reached, put the tape in and then at the same time use your finger to turn the cylinder / gear / gizmo that the belt is trying to turn. This extra push from you *should* be enough to finish lowering the cage. Obviously if you electrocute yourself, or mangle your finger, or cause any other unforeseen damage to yourself / VCR, I'm not responsible. Use your common judgment and determine for yourself if it's safe.

      I was able to use my old VCR for an extra 4 years, until the aforementioned niece decided it would be fun to spill a drink in there. ;-)

      Of course, if this doesn't work it probably won't be fixable with the "turning gizmo with finger" method. In this case you'll want to look for a local "mom and pop" electronics store that does home electronics repairs. Or you could just look online for another high-end VCR, I do believe they still make them, although I haven't looked.

    10. Re:No players on the market by RiotingPacifist · · Score: 4, Informative

      Obviously if you electrocute yourself, or mangle your finger, or cause any other unforeseen damage to yourself / VCR, I'm not responsible.

      Be aware that the psu is inside the VCR(well end stuff it is anyway) so there will be some transformers with high current/voltage lying about in there.

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    11. Re:No players on the market by retchdog · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What's wrong with ripping DVDs?

      Throughput isn't that bad, given how much free time everyone seems to have these days; you get to choose the rip quality; and best of all, no (or, very very few) MPAA worries.

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    12. Re:No players on the market by value_added · · Score: 4, Insightful

      With all due respect to antrophologists, we don't need 24/7 records of the boring everyday life of everyone. People lost things before in fires and leakages and break-ins and whatnot before too, it's nothing new.

      That boring everyday life you refer to forms the basis of our historical knowledge. Consider, for example, the letters and diaries written during the Civil War with electronic forms of communications related to the recent war in Iraq. The former is housed in museums and is repeatedly poured over by writers and scholars of every sort, while the latter is stored unceremoniously in Outlook and Yahoo inboxes, on transient blogs, and similarly transient backup tapes of White House email servers.

      Your guess is as good as mine as to how history will be written (or re-written) if those records aren't archived, and in a format that can be read for posterity.

  2. Re:first by dotancohen · · Score: 4, Funny

    first - nothing better to do on christmas day

    Try masturbating. See how well I type with one hand?

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  3. DVD = VHS? by SolidAltar · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Except for TiVo there still remains no replacement for VHS's ease of use. Pop in a tape, hit record. I know that there are DVD recorders that can do this but at least a year ago you still had to worry about DVD type, ending a track, etc.

    A large portion of the populace does not have a TiVo or a DVD recorder - meaning they lost functionality.

  4. And when will Blu-Ray players get afforable? by gelfling · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Ah yes, never. In a related point, Sony lays off thousands. That's some great plan you got there, Lou.

  5. Security systems by Weaselmancer · · Score: 3, Informative

    Don't most store security systems use VHS tapes for their security cameras?

    If they switch to non-erasable DVD, there's going to be a metric ton of these that just go to waste every day.

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    1. Re:Security systems by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Informative

      Don't most store security systems use VHS tapes for their security cameras?

      If they switch to non-erasable DVD, there's going to be a metric ton of these that just go to waste every day.

      Nah ... they'll just go on hard disk. They just put in a bunch of security cameras at work (all IP-based) and I'm sure the feeds are going to some hard drive array somewhere.

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    2. Re:Security systems by bhtooefr · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There was also a time that cassette tapes were used for [b]primary[/b] data storage. ;)

    3. Re:Security systems by Toll_Free · · Score: 4, Funny

      There was a time that notebooks where the only way you could remember to configure the switches on the terminal, but I'm dating my grandfather now :)

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    4. Re:Security systems by karnal · · Score: 4, Funny

      *gulp*

      You're dating your grandfather now? Why do we need to know that?

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    5. Re:Security systems by Hans+Lehmann · · Score: 3, Interesting
      "Remember that while the resoloution was low by modern standards there was absoloutely no use made of data compression techniques."

      The NTSC television standard itself is quite the marvel when it comes to compressing information to fit into limited bandwidth, especially considering that it was created about 60 years ago. Such concepts as the encoding of color information in a subcarrier at a lower frequency than the luminance signal, interlaced instead of progressive video, etc, were invented for one reason: to get as much information as possible through the limited bandwidth that they able to use. The guys that came up with this stuff were just as clever and innovative as whoever came up with DCT compression.

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  6. VHS says, call me in 30 years. by SynapseLapse · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When you try to play your DVD-RWs. No, seriously. I've got a Hauppauge PVR150 in my desktop (Salvaged from the sad remains of the first Mythbok that died...) and I've been using it rip my parents old home movies recorded to VHS. These tapes are 20 years old and play great. The question is, what the heck can I burn it to so it might survive 30 more years?

    1. Re:VHS says, call me in 30 years. by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Funny

      Are you always this depressing? Or is it just Christmas?

      You must be fun at parties.

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    2. Re:VHS says, call me in 30 years. by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 3, Funny

      print each frame as a still picture on good quality archival paper.

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    3. Re:VHS says, call me in 30 years. by Dogtanian · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I mean the Microsoft Office document format is almost undocumentable

      You can still retrieve quite a lot of plaintext by treating the file as ASCII, even if you lose the formatting.

      what hope do we have reverse engineering it from 1000 years from now, especially if there was a civilisation collapse, and the one doing the recovering doesn't have much continuity to ours.

      If they get back to anything like our level, I'm sure they'll figure it out. Possibly with a bit of work, but they'll probably do it.

      Not the obscure weird-ass formats, perhaps, but the dead common ones like those based around MPEG-2, JPEG, etc. Yeah, I think they'll manage.

      Human beings are incredibly ingenious. Did you know that they recently retrieved the colour from a black-and-white copy of UK TV series Dad's Army?

      It was originally shot on colour, but the BBC (as they used to do a lot) wiped it, and only a black and white telecine copy remained.

      The engineers noted that "chroma dots" (v. minor interference caused by the colour signal not having been filtered out of the signal before the mono copy was made) remained on many such films. (The engineers at the time "should" have turned this off, but it wasn't a big deal).

      They managed to use this pattern of tiny dots to figure out what the original colour information had been. Now, that's clever.

      Anyone as clever as us with the desire to retrieve metric assloads of information from rotting media will be able to manage it, I'm sure.

      If they remain very primitive for a long time, I'm worried about more than some hard drives; I'm sure that there will still be a number of human-viewable hard copies anyway. Probably way more than there were of the middle ages as well.

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    4. Re:VHS says, call me in 30 years. by triffid_98 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I couldn't agree more, you can play VHS tapes from the 1980s. They won't look great, but they work. That's damn impressive when you consider a run of the mill DVD-R is good for 5-10 years tops before terminal bitrot sets in.

      Although I agree with you, one cannot deny how gracefully that VHS tapes degraded. I guess that's why it's hard for us to completely write off analog formats: My VHS copy of Mission Impossible 1 definitely has streaking on it. My DVD copy of hackers definitely stops playing a few minutes in thanks to a scratch.

    5. Re:VHS says, call me in 30 years. by ErkDemon · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I dunno, I only remember one of my grandparents, and I never got to meet any of the great-grands. It'd be fun to dip in and watch some footage.

      And don't forget, when the world changes, things that we consider now to be too tedious to be worth documenting can suddenly become interesting.

      F'rinstance, I think they used to do guided tours of the World Trade Centre. Did anyone think to record one of those tours? Perhaps nobody did. Perhaps the tour guides didn't see any point (after all, the building wasn't going anywhere), and perhaps the people taking the tour didn't record it, because it would have seemed like such a geeky thing to do, spending the entire tour with a camera in front fo your face, to record a "personal" version of something that's exactly the same as the tour that thousands of other people have taken. And yet, if someone found that hypothetical home movie footage now, how many of us would be interested in watching it?

      There are still things that nobody thinks of recording officially, where the only record ends up being on some piece of retrieved amateur movie footage.

  7. Song of the South by tepples · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Probably not, although there will probably still be paid services available than can convert them to digital media.

    Unless it's a major-studio pre-recorded VHS tape that hasn't been rereleased on DVD, such as the PAL release of Disney's Song of the South. These paid services will likely refuse such a transfer request on copyright grounds unless perhaps your name is Bob Iger.

    1. Re:Song of the South by timothy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "Song of the South," at least, is widely, and only semi-clandestinely, available on DVD from online sellers. The quality of the copy I bought is certainly not up to Disney standards wrt quality of transfer, but it does include a bonus that Disney's almost certainly won't, if they ever do release it: a parody of Snow White and the Seven Dwarves performed by the SotS's black cast members called "Coal Black an' De Seben Dwarfs." (Cue David Brent dismissal: "Racist.")

      I guess Disney just fears a negative public reaction too much to release the movie, which would be no issue if they hadn't buckled under to protests against it in the first place. It now looks like Disney agrees -- or close -- that the film itself was in some way particularly racist. (More than other films of the time, say, portrayin a similar era.) I was unsurprised that they didn't choose to make their first big Blue Ray film Song of the South ;)

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    2. Re:Song of the South by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      "I guess Disney just fears a negative public reaction too much to release the movie, which would be no issue if they hadn't buckled under to protests against it in the first place. It now looks like Disney agrees -- or close -- that the film itself was in some way particularly racist. (More than other films of the time, say, portrayin a similar era.) I was unsurprised that they didn't choose to make their first big Blue Ray film Song of the South ;)"

      Funny, tho.....I was just recently at Disney World, and all those characters are still prominately displayed on the log ride there.

      I really think it is a shame, that our society is so fucking "PC" now, that we won't still show programs that might have something not politically correct. I mean, c'mon...this IS a piece of history of the US. Media of the past should be available so that people can see what people thought and how much was acceptable in the past. Not making things like this available are almost like re-writing history. Do we not learn from the past both good and bad?

      This almost seems, in the US, to be the commercial version of censorship that many European states do with regard to Nazi symbolism and historical content or artifacts. Geez people...it happened....don't run away from the past, view it....learn from it....move on.

      Hell...I think it actually would be healthy for people today to know where society has come from...show them that cartoons often had characters blowing up into "black face"...and let people see for themselves how society has changed over the years.

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  8. DVDs still don't have everything by Cookie3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Although I haven't been in a store that sold new VHS tapes in years, I'm a little apprehensive.

    While it is true that many shows have been re-released in DVD format, there are plenty of titles that did not (and/or will not) see re-release. In many cases, these aren't "essential" or "good" works, but film historians often use relics of the past to show the evolution of a director's style or the level of technological development at the time. They might also use these works to show the political climate of the country it was produced in, or as a source for historical evaluation.

    If you need to make a film based in 1988, wouldn't it be nice if you had a lot of filmed material from 1988? What if you can't get access to what you know you need because it was all copyrighted, but never released on DVD? What if you can't find a collector who's willing to sell you their VHS tapes?

    I don't think it's a fault so much of VHS going out of the market, but of copyright law. It's easy to find a VCR, or a tape deck or a record player, but finding a specific release from those mediums is nearly impossible without extensive searching, often commanding high prices from collectors. If that material was considered out of copyright, I could take my library and digitize it, throw up a torrent, and *poof* it's around for forever.. but because I can't, it will sit around until I'm an old man before there's even a glimmer of hope that it might be made available to the public.

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  9. User Interface by AtomicSnarl · · Score: 4, Funny

    Almost as sad as the people still using it.

    You push it in the slot, push Play, and it works. No menus to wander, no special features to get in the way, no Director's Cut, no frigging mind games with some dinky remote with tiny print and bitty buttons to poke at to get the bloody thing to play, now. Get off my lawn! Damn kids these days... Harumph. Where did I put my bifocals?

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  10. No unskippable ads by JSBiff · · Score: 3, Interesting

    While I mostly like DVD's, there is one thing about them that have always angered me. With VHS, you could pop in the tape, hit Fast Forward, and cruise by the 10 minutes of crap at the front of the tape (Copyright Warning, obsolete trailers, etc). I sure wish some DVD maker would produce a unit that would let me skip right to the main menu on a DVD, instead of forcing me to sit through that first 5-10 minutes of filler. I just want to watch the movie, already, and it seems to me that if it's *my* DVD player, it ought to obey *me*, not the disc producer.

    1. Re:No unskippable ads by kvezach · · Score: 5, Informative

      That err, "feature", is called the User Operation Prohibition flag. Some DVD players can be patched to disregard the UOP, others disregard the UOP by default. Do a web search if you're interested... I note it's also considered DRM, which just shows exactly whose "rights" are being preserved here.

  11. This isn't about blank VHS media, folks! by adnonsense · · Score: 5, Informative

    I RTFA (hey, it's Christmas!) and using my advanced English comprehension skills can hereby inform you that it's about what's apparently the last major supplier of content in the VHS format in the USA giving up on VHS. It says nothing about manufacturers of VHS media (aka blank tapes) stopping production.

    I bet blank tapes will be available for a good few years yet.

  12. Re:betamax ftw by MsGeek · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Actually, the Betamax cassette DID win. There are still thousands and thousands of TV newsrooms that use Digital Betacam for one application or another -- usually for ENG camcorders. And because of this, the tapes won't go away that quickly.

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  13. Re:So which format is next DVD or BlueRay? by MsGeek · · Score: 4, Informative
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  14. Re:THINKGEEK has converters by Tintivilus · · Score: 4, Informative

    Use a timebase corrector between the source and your capture card. It'll clean up garbled VHS video and accidentally strip macrovision in the process.