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AT&T 3G Upgrades Degrade 2G Signal Strength

Timothy R. Butler writes "Much to the chagrin of owners of various 2G cell phones on AT&T Mobility's network, including the highly visible (and originally highly expensive) first-generation iPhone, we have discovered that AT&T has been quietly adjusting its network in ways that degrade 2G network performance as it has sought to build out its next-generation 3G network. Many of the phones affected, including BlackBerry devices, are still well within their two-year contract period."

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  1. Planned Obsolescence by nurb432 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Its the way people do business now.

    Sad and immoral, but true.

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    1. Re:Planned Obsolescence by Grand+Facade · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not really planned obsolescence, appropriating resources for the new revenue stream forsaking existing customers.

      This to me seems worse as they are stealing services paid for by existing customers, instead of just letting their stuff expire as obsolite.

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    2. Re:Planned Obsolescence by LoadWB · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If true, then this is exactly what Cingular did to the TDMA network (back when I had my GAIT phone, http://slashdot.org/~LoadWB/journal/123321 ) while transitioning to GSM/GPRS. Cingular quietly discontinued various network services to TDMA phones, then essentially told us "tough shit, get a GSM phone."

      I have noticed that my EDGE speeds have not been quite up to their norm lately. I was hoping this was just an anomaly, but I guess you never really can tell.

      I wonder how friendly T-Mobile is to unlocked phones. I really have a hard time abandoning my Sony Ericssons...

    3. Re:Planned Obsolescence by whoever57 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I wonder how friendly T-Mobile is to unlocked phones. I really have a hard time abandoning my Sony Ericssons...

      Friendly -- T-Mobile will even unlock one phone every 90 days for you, for free.

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  2. Centro by __aapmis4709 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Just a few months ago, I upgraded to the AT&T version of the Palm Centro. I was a little disappointed to learn that the AT&T version of the Centro doesn't support 3g while the Sprint version does. If AT&T was going to upgrade to 3g at the expense of 2g, they should have made as many 3g offerings available as possible. I've noticed as well that my signal strength has seemed poorer in many areas of Missouri lately than it was when I first purchased my Centro, but I'd never associated it with anything AT&T had done.

    1. Re:Centro by (startx) · · Score: 4, Funny

      Your signal strength degradation in MO has nothing to do with AT&T, and everything to do with your slashdot username!

  3. NYC by clinko · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In NYC my 1st Gen iPhone has become unusable. It's so obvious I'm glad someone else is noticing.

    - Pandora for the iPhone used to work, now it doesn't (Too slow).
    - Loading map searches on google maps takes a minute plus.

    The constants are my apt location and my desk location at work. I haven't changed a thing, but the network has definitely slowed down with the same "signal strength"/Bars.

  4. FCC? by dmomo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Does this only affect at&t 2G phones? Even if-so, should this not fall under the jurisdiction of the FCC? Is a company allowed to create devices/systems that use the spectrum in such a way that they interfere with other devices created by the same company?

    Clever contract wording or not, this just doesn't seem like it should be allowed.

    1. Re:FCC? by pin0chet · · Score: 5, Informative

      Read the article again. This isn't an device interference issue, but rather an issue where AT&T is moving EDGE/GSM to a higher frequency band that has inferior characteristics to other bands that AT&T used to use for EDGE. The problem is that the higher frequency doesn't offer the same signal strength in certain places, so EDGE users who've been switched to the 1900mhz band will notice a lower signal in certain areas.

  5. This is nothing new... by Belial6 · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is nothing new. When AT&T and Cingular merged, They started "not repairing" the AT&T towers. When I called about the problem, I was told that when Cingular took over the towers, they were not given the passwords to maintain them (an obvious lie), but that if I wanted to sign a new 2 year contract, I could start receiving a signal again with a plan that had less minutes and cost more per month. After much arguing, they eventually just let me cancel my current plan with them and I moved to Verizon. (Yes, I know that they are evil too.)

    I found it unbelievable that anyone would pay more, receive less, and sign a new contract with a company that just failed to live up to their old contract. Unfortunately, my pessimistic view of the general public was once again shown to be overly optimistic.

  6. Re:Why so serious? by Kinjin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Normally I would agree with your premise.

    "Edge users are equivalent to VHS users. The technology has moved on, you need to move on or deal with slightly degraded service"

    That isn't really a valid analogy. If VHS players suddenly couldn't fast forward, rewind, or record, and could only play some parts of a tape, then yeah. That's not the case here though.

      In this case there seems to be a large group of people still under thier original contracts. INAL but sounds like 1. Breach of contract (Degraded services) 2. Bait and switch (oh if you want it to actually work properly you need to upgrade to G3) 3. Fraud (Offering and contracting services you have no intention of providing - which is where the purposely degrading comes in)

  7. Re:Wow by Beyond_GoodandEvil · · Score: 4, Funny

    Why is it only the trolls who know the difference between loose and lose?

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  8. t-mobile is the avis of the industry. good unlock by zQuo · · Score: 5, Informative

    T-mobile tries harder than the others, but t-mobile is blessed with the worst network coverage. T-mobile survives by having the best customer service, and enlightened data plan policies.

    The customer service folks are actually helpful, they will discuss how to configure unlocked iphones and other phones on t-mobile. They also unlock t-mobile purchased phones in 90 days, even sooner in most cases, etc.

    AT&T has the absolutely worst customer service. All the other carriers ('cept for T-mobile) are pretty evil. I would not be surprised at any informal price fixing... everyone is locked in anyways. But network quality is very important also, and T-mobile doesn't do well there.

    I only switched to T-mobile when they allowed their phones to do calls over the wifi network as well as the cell tower network. The coverage isn't great, but you can supplement it by placing wifi points where you use the cell phone the most... it actually is better for use in some rural areas. But my blood pressure is much lower whenever I deal with customer service, that's priceless!

  9. All cellular companies in the US suck by nbahi15 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For me I choose AT&T over technology. I have no love for the company but GSM/UMTS is a worldwide technology, and for better or worse I am backing the standard. Verizon, and Sprint both deal in proprietary technology, which in my opinion is the real problem in the US. The FCC has allowed companies to use cell technology, nasty contracts, and DRM technologies (SIMLOCK) to provide customer lock-in. IMHO the FCC should dictate the technology, and it should be the same path most countries are on, GSM/UMTS/LTE. They should also disallow the contractual lock-in, and SIM locking.

    The government picking a technology standard that enables US customers to have real choice is a good thing.