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A Hacker's Audacious Plan To Rule the Underground
An anonymous reader writes "Wired has the inside story of Max Butler, a former white hat hacker who joined the underground following a jail stint for hacking the Pentagon. His most ambitious hack was a hostile takeover of the major underground carding boards where stolen credit card and identity data are bought and sold. The attack made his own site, CardersMarket, the largest crime forum in the world, with 6,000 users. But it also made the feds determined to catch him, since one of the sites he hacked, DarkMarket.ws, was secretly a sting operation run by the FBI."
Yeah, many years ago (in my teens) I had the ambition to be "the next bill gates", and now as I write small to medium websites and private applications from my couch, covered in empty red bull cans and small food bags, I think I managed pretty well!
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Sounds like he was always a black hat but just didn't cause enough problems while he still had his training wheels on.
Engineering is the art of compromise.
Posting anonymously for obvious reasons.
I went to school with Max Butler. He's driven by constant challenges. I knew Max as a friend and as such witnessed the same vitriol and hatred he put up with from others who did not understand him. Teachers often openly mocked him, especially in computer science courses.
His escape from it all came from hacking. He noticed he had a particular knack for it. He'd get really engrossed, and it became sort of a downward spiral from there. If you know anyone like him, please do not ostracize him in his forming years. Imagine if he had been a solid, contributing member of society like timecop, or the millions of other good natured people that run trolling organizations that specialize in making fools out of idiots like yourself.
"Once inside, he sucked out their content, including the logins, passwords, and email addresses of everyone who bought and sold through the sites. And then he decimated them, wiping out the databases with the ease of an arsonist flicking a match."
This seems to be written more like a work of fiction than an account of the hack. The description echo'ed the language used in Jeffery Deaver's "The Blue Nowhere".
The way I figure it all the effort that goes into making big money doing crime would be better used in the 'real' world.
I live in the ghetto and the skills required to sell drugs/weapons can be easily transferred to the business world rather easily and the income is higher.
Honest money allows me to sleep at night and at the end of this train ride, the books will be balanced and that man in the sky will do the accounting and even it all out.
they showed him the real definition of a "Back door" entry method !!!!!! -_~
Just showing my ignorance here, but can someone give me a definition of what 'hat colors' mean? Red Hat I know (I guess), but White Hat? Black Hat? Blue Hat?
Someone throw me a bone, here.
It wasn't that this guy was whacking other underground sites, it's that he also nailed the FBI's "sting" website. The FBI and him engaged in a turf war, because if there's one thing the government hates, it's stealing. It hates competition.
#fuckbeta #iamslashdot #dicemustdie
I must be new here, because it's difficult for me to believe that you didn't RTFA!
He's in a prison in Pennsylvania playing D&D while awaiting his trial.
HTH - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenderloin,_San_Francisco,_California
Pathological kinda promises Path + Logical - but instead, you get stuck with pathetic.
Isn't hackorX really Max's long-lost brother Rex Hackor, in disguise?
Fascism starts when the efficiency of the government becomes more important than the rights of the people.
If you're going by the Roman definition, modern definition such as 'decimation in time' can mean any size reduction of a set, although I don't think down to zero.
Although, Lindsay Nagel would disagree, since zero is a percent.
Months later, Aragon's lawyer gave him some bad news. The Secret Service had cracked Butler's crypto and knew more about the hacker than Aragon didâ"which meant Aragon would probably never be offered a deal, even if he wanted one.
The USS cracked the Whole Disk Encryption of Max Butler.
Now reading about this guy, does Max Butler seem like the kind of guy who is going to keep his WDE password on his PDA?
No, I didn't think so either.
So, what kind would he be likely to use? dm-crypt under Linux? Commercial PGP? Scramdisk? TrueCrypt?
I think more WDE is backdoored than any of us suspect, and my takeaway from that line is that the commercial products aren't to be trusted.
you all must be new here.
Please stop bringing me into this!
I got some bad grammar
Not exactly true. One of the admins was compromised after an arrest, and rather than shutting it down, they kept it running for a bit longer, planning on setting up big buyers for eventual busts.
Have you been touched by his noodly appendage?
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The obvious question: why didn't the FBI do this rather than set-up a honeypot site?
Police and prosecutors are rewarded based on the number of arrests and convictions, and not necessarily on reduction in crime?
Don't blame me, I voted for Baltar.
would you like to give them the legal right to disrupt any website they felt fit before they had enough evidence to proove wrong doing. If there is wrong doing then gather evidence and prosecute and shut down for good, if there isnt wrong doing, leave it, dont cause disruption just because someone has a hunch, or whatever other motives any paranoids/conspiricists/etc would like to add
If cracking a full-disk encryption with a ten-character password takes only five seconds, an eleven-character (assuming that it's case sensitive) password is going to take five minutes. A twelve-character will take about five hours. A thirteen-character, almost two weeks. Fourteen, two years.
Have you been touched by his noodly appendage?
Hacking is an obsession and an addiction. It can easily take over your life, especially if you are good at it. Finding your next target is like getting in your next fix. It offers the ultimate escape, diversion and self-esteem. In a sense, it is a power trip. The kind of rush you expirience when your skills pay off is incredible. For some, it is a rush better than sex and drugs combined. It adds a new dimension to an otherwise mundane and seemingly predictable reality. Some perspective ;)
Trying to install linux on my microwave, but keep getting a kernel panic...
Because I don't trust wired.com much... I did a quick search for data on Max Butler from the source: The Department of Justice's own press release on this is dated 9/11/2007.
A Man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties -- Albert Einstein
The criminal's accomplices shopped him. That, plus evidence of the public market that he created, was more than enough for a search warrant.
Once again . . . there is no honor among thieves. We should all be grateful for that.
I hope that the Feds launch that guy into the stratosphere.
Max is/was/will always be a guy who stole identities and money other people, in many cases making their lives living Hell. You can toot all you want about the evil FBI, but fact of the matter is that Max is a thief who took things that didn't belong to him.
If you want news from today, you have to come back tomorrow.
I think this dubious honor belongs to the US government.
I have been one of Max's friends since HS. It's been most sad watching all this happen. He's such a good guy. He's made some bad choices, but he also has had his life severely constrained because of what happened with his gf in HS.
What the article doesn't really say is that his friends don't actually believe he assaulted her. He was impulsive and kinda wacky, but never hurt anybody, nor ever wanted to. Just think of him, a big kid with long hair standing in front of a box full of old, conservative, Idaho jurors. He's scary lookin'! Convict!!
Anyways, He was in prison while the rest of us went to college and got jobs. He got out and tried to play catch-up, but it was hard with a felony record. So for the rest of his life, he's been an outsider struggling to get in with the rest of us.
He's tried SO hard to do the right thing. But again, his record made it hard to get jobs, and he is so good at security stuff... It's so easy to slip. Again, bad decisions, but he had so few choices! I just wish he'd come to me to borrow money when he needed it rather than accepting these guys' offer. He was always close-mouthed about what he was doing after that. He said many times to me that he wished he could be doing good things too when I'd tell him about what was going on in my work. He had such huge collections of malware and 0day stuff that he kept meaning to organize and distribute to security researchers. He tried to help out with the honeynet project. etc.
My biggest fantasy is that the government would spring him out after a few years, put him in a room with a really smart handler, and let him rip at trying to figure out who spammers are or pentest government facilities for them or something. He could and would do SO much good. But of course, that only happens in the movies. Sigh.
From what he's said to me, there's a lot more stuff that he wants to say, but he can't talk about it until the trial is over. That said, I think that even he is pretty sure that he deserves some punishment for all this. I do too. But I temper this with the belief that he really would be a positive force for good if he were just given a chance. Please consider that before you vilify him.
Have fun!
I think, by declaring liberals as extremists, you pretty well defined hypocrisy with your post.
You use your first 2 sentences to denounce up a type of behavior, and then engage in that very behavior in the very next sentence, you didn't even break for paragraph. Thank you for your demonstration, it may even cover cognitive dissonance as well as hypocrisy.
You know damn well that not all (not even most, and you KNOW it) liberals are extremists like that. On top of that you know (you KNOW) that there are conservatives just as extreme. Stop pretending to be on the only rational side. You'll find idiots and assholes wherever you look, especially if you go hunting for idiots and assholes.