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Apple Intros 17" Unibody MBP, DRM-Free iTunes

Phil Schiller delivered the keynote at MacWorld, the first after the Steve Jobs era of keynotes. Here is Engadget's live blog. The big news, predicted by many rumor sites, was the introduction of the unibody 17" MacBook Pro. As rumored, the battery is not removable, but it's claimed to provide 8 hours of battery life (7 hours with the discrete graphics): "3x the charges and lifespan of the industry standard." $2,799, 2.66 GHz and 4 GB of RAM, 320GB hard drive, shipping at the end of January. There is a battery exchange program, and there is an option for a matte display. The other big news is that iTunes is going DRM-free: 8M songs today, all 10+M by the end of March. Song pricing will be flexible, as the studios have been demanding; the lowest song price is $0.69. Apple also introduced the beta of a Google Docs-like service, iWork.com.

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  1. Darn... no Mac Mini update by GeneralTao · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I was really hoping to see an updated Mac Mini.

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    1. Re:Darn... no Mac Mini update by d3ac0n · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How about a DOCK so that people who don't want to work all the time hunched over a laptop screen but DO want the convenience and reliability of a Mac laptop can work without having to place their laptop on a stack of paper reams to get it to eye level?

      Frankly, I've never understood why any manufacturer of ANY laptop, Mac or PC, would make a desktop-replacement grade laptop with no way to dock it so you can comfortably work AT A DESKTOP!

      Get a clue laptop makers!

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    2. Re:Darn... no Mac Mini update by PIBM · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Monitor + USB Keyboard + wireless mouse >>> Dock

    3. Re:Darn... no Mac Mini update by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Indeed, not all of us Apple users have iEverything so we can play our AACs everywhere. Hell, my phone has problems with anything other than .mp3 but I wouldn't give it up for an iPhone.

      You are aware that AAC is not exclusive to Apple, right? Even the Zune can play AAC-encoded files.

      The parent of your post has a valid point in saying that some older players can't handle anything but MP3. But it seems to me that complaining about AAC because of Apple is analogous to saying "I'm sticking with VHS tapes because not all of us can afford those new Sony DVD players".

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    4. Re:Darn... no Mac Mini update by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I personally think Apple is really missing an opportunity on the desktop front that could hurt them in the long run. Vista is pretty much a dud, with many of the public staying away in droves. IMHO this would be a perfect opportunity to grab some market share while still keeping the high profits they enjoy on the laptop front. The problem with the mini IMHO is the lack of expansion, and they seem to have a hole in their product line between the mini and the Mac Pro, which is why we have been seeing these hackintoshes show up.

      IMHO they could really pick up some of the customers avoiding Vista if they would release a Mac Mini with say, 1 PCI and 1 PCIe expansion slot, and maybe followed by a "Mini Pro Tower" that added a couple more PCIe slots and a little faster CPU. Because frankly the Mac Pro is simply overkill for the home users but not having any way to upgrade and using more expensive laptop parts makes that Mini not as attractive to the home market. By releasing the above desktop models now, before Win7 comes out, this would not only IMO give them a good chance to snatch up some of the unhappy Vista customers, but by giving them a decent affordable desktop they could give them a chance to experience OSX and drive future sales to their more profitable laptop lines because the new users will be familiar with OSX and be more inclined to buy Apple laptops.

      But if they wait too long and Win7 turns out to actually be good they will have missed a golden opportunity IMHO. Then again Jobs has always come off as a little elitist to me so maybe he simply doesn't want to convert those unwashed Windows masses to OSX. After all he is already making money hand over fist, perhaps he has decided that he likes OSX right where it is at currently?

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  2. Re:So,no more DRM by k_187 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Tiered Pricing.

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  3. Battery?! by Helios1182 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Come on, it isn't that hard to make a user removeable battery. Just do it -- people want it. It is a freaking laptop!

    1. Re:Battery?! by internerdj · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sorry this is an Apple article. Apple not only gives the consumers what they want but the list of what they are supposed to be wanting in the first place.

    2. Re:Battery?! by seanadams.com · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Come on, it isn't that hard to make a user removeable battery. Just do it -- people want it. It is a freaking laptop!

      I recall people complaining a lot louder when they lost their floppy drives, LPT ports, RS232, ADB/PS2, etc. Nobody's stopping you from keeping your old laptop, getting one on ebay etc.

      I have the previous gen 17" MBP and have never needed to remove the battery except to upgrade RAM/HD. I'd happily trade the feature in exchange for more internal charge capacity.

    3. Re:Battery?! by tgd · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If it makes the laptop smaller and lighter, some poeple (myself included) happily will give up a replaceable battery.

      Thinking back over the last 15 years for the seven or eight laptops I've owned (two Mac, the rest various brands of Linux/Windows laptops) I've bought a new battery I believe twice, both as replacements not secondary batteries.

      I've never carried two at a time so I could swap one when it was dead.

      Apple isn't a stupid company. They wouldn't make that change if they didn't believe that loud-mouth-whiners-aside, it would impact sales in the least.

      Case in point -- they dropped Firewire from the MacBook. That means you can't use your family's DV or HDV camcorder anymore with a MacBook to use the new iMovie to edit your videos... and yet sales took off of the new laptop. That feature excluded that laptop from my consideration, but the fact that I don't like it doesn't mean it wasn't the right decision for them.

      Just because you don't like a fixed battery doesn't mean "people want it" or it was a bad decision.

    4. Re:Battery?! by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Wow. It's rare you see a post on slashdot that properly qualifies for trolling and insightful moderation. I'm suitably impressed.

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    5. Re:Battery?! by jo_ham · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, it depends how much volume you use having to create a bay for the battery, with walls to cut it off from internal components, then a way to hold the battery in, so tabs on one side and a mechanism on the other to latch it in (or some other metod to hold it in there), then a study connection point for the terminals inside this bay.

      Now you have to engineer your removable battery to be more sturdy than an internal one only (since it has to be able to easily survive in a computer bag, or through repeated handling that an internal-only battery doesn't have to be so concerned with, since it has the external case to protect it and is not subject to removal and handling as often.

      Also now, you can create a very oddly-shaped battery to fill awkward spaces that would otherwise be wasted if you had to use a more conventional shape that is easy to remove (and more difficult to damage).

      So all together you have a battery that has a) less duplicated protective casing (battery itself and battery bay in laptop), b) capable of being moulded into odd shape to take advantage of extra space, c), no need for latches and other components to hold the battery in and enable it to interface with the DC board (you can just have it fixed inside the case with a smaller system, and just have a couple of flying leads and a simple IC plug to mate it to your power system - no need for quick release terminals.

      As soon as these things go on sale you know someone is going to take it apart and see what they've done inside the case. 28% more volume doesn't sound outlandish when you can dispense with a lot of the compromises you have to make when the computer itself has to be designed around the battery being removable - the battery might be really thin and sandwiched very intricately around all the components, which have now been able to spread out a little since there's no defined battery bay any more.

  4. We're being weened of MacWorld by Dzimas · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm glad to see Apple stepping away from a massive release of new products every January. While it was exciting from a geek perspective, it was awfully timed. Introducing a slate of cool new gadgets just after Christmas was a marketing nightmare for Apple - hundreds of thousands of new iPod owners would be upset to learn that their new player was suddenly "last year's model," and many other Apple enthusiasts would simply put off their purchases until after the Christmas season in anticipation of "one more thing" in January. That can't have been good news for retailers who ramp up inventory in the months leading up to xmas. Now, Apple has more control over their release cycle. They can keep their products under wrap until they're ready to unveil them to the world, and can stagger releases for maximum coverage.

  5. Re:So,no more DRM by Weeksauce · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If people hadn't wined, would they still have done it?

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  6. Re:So,no more DRM by larry+bagina · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah... but those people who claimed $0.99 was too expensive and songs shouldn't cost more than $0.70 will need a new excuse.

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  7. Should have better video then 9600m for a $2700+ s by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Should have better video then 9600m for a $2700+ system come on other laptops have SLI at that price.

    And $1200 to go from 4gb to 8gb?

    I hope apple has a big Superbowl ad to show off the other new hardware.

  8. Well two ways to look at it by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One is that you do save some space by integrating the battery. There is a non trivial amount of extra material for making it removable since it had to be in it's own enclosure and such. So one could claim that is was done to either decrease size, or to increase capacity (by having larger cells).

    The other is that this makes the device much more disposable. Apple is in the hardware market, they make their money on buying new gadgets. It would be best for them if people viewed the gadgets as disposable and simply tossed them after a few years.

  9. Re:slashvermacment. by DigitalisAkujin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is extremely important that Slashdot apprise us of every new product coming from Apple Corporation, in near-realtime fashion.

    Please slashdot, tell us more about Steve Jobs' health, Apple Corporation mythology, and Mac purchasing opportunities!

    Usually I'd agree with you but this news about DRM is pretty important because it completely changes the dynamic of the music industry in relation to the Internet considering iTunes recently surpassed Walmart in music sales. That is clearly stuff that matters and if you can't see that you're geek license should be revoked on your way out.

  10. Re:So,no more DRM by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Meh, who cares? This isn't about Apple or Amazon. This is about the labels being dragged, kicking and screaming though they are, into the 21st century.

    This was a fairly nice development. Let's not cloud it with pointless conspiracies.

    BTW, Apple, by definition, can't "sell out". Thanks for playing though.

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  11. Re:Sometimes CEOs are really worth the billions. by timeOday · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The case for Jobs' value is almost uniquely strong, since he left Apple for a while and it tanked, then he came back and it recovered.

    That said, the opposite happens too; HP's stock shot up by billions the day Fiorina departed. So when my dad said, "Jobs proves CEOs are worth their pay," I had to disagree. You can't generalize like that.

  12. Staying with DRM isn't pro-consumer by Wee · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They're ditching DRM. That's pro-consumer. What you're saying is that they are going to have to charge what the studios want to charge (ie, more). That's not anti-consumer enough to balance out the goodness factor of allowing people to actually play the music they buy on any device they own (which has kept me from using ITMS thus far).

    I'm sorry you don't like higher prices. But you finally own what you buy. If you're still concerned about ITMS's prices, you really shouldn't have been using them in the first place as they've always been outrageously expensive.

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  13. Re:So,no more DRM by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sold out? By offering tiered pricing? Really?

    In the real world, everything has different prices depending on demand. The "Everything should be 99c" thing may simplify things, but it's hardly fair, either to the labels or to us. Apple was trying to force both the record labels and customers to do something completely ridiculous in the name of simplicity, and consider "The Birdie Song" to have the same value as "Bohemian Rhapsody".

    I appreciate like most of Slashdot you have a hate-on for the labels, and therefore consider anything the labels want to do as wrong, but Apple was on the wrong side here.

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  14. Re:So,no more DRM by je+ne+sais+quoi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Apple could have taken the correct option and continued to hold out for fair treatment and reasonable pro-consumer policies. Instead they sold out. The iTunes Music Store is now just yet another front for the labels, controlled by the labels.

    Maybe, maybe not. Do you think the labels would want DRM-free music? Doubtful. My guess is that amazon only got the deal they did without DRM because Apple was doing so well and wouldn't play ball on the tiered pricing. What if the labels only could concede DRM-free music if Apple gave in on the tiered pricing? It's not an unequivocal victory but if I had to choose I'd much rather have tiered pricing and DRM-free music than DRM-ed music and non-tiered pricing. Now if they'd just let me get the songs off my ipod using iTunes and not having to resort to third party software I'll be happy.

    I haven't bought a single song from the iTunes music store because of DRM, I might actually consider it now.

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  15. Re:Karl Popper would disapprove... by Tumbleweed · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They stated it can be charged 1000 times. That means if you use your laptop every day you will need a new one in 2.7 years.

    No, that means if you *charge* your laptop battery every day you'll need one that often (I didn't check your math, but that's not my point). If you use your laptop as a desktop replacement, as many Apple owners seem to do (especially that big honkin' 17" we're talking about), it's probably plugged-in all the time, and I'm hoping that Apple made it not recharge the battery all the time it's plugged in, so it may last much, much longer than that. It depends on how you use it. Not that I'm defending the idea of a non-removable battery (I think it's completely asinine), but let's not go overboard.

    I'm more a fan of the ThinkPad way of doing things - one big main battery, with a removable optical drive that you can replace with a second battery. Now *that's* giving a user options.

  16. Re:So,no more DRM by PIBM · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Considering that recent stats. show that less than 10% of the full catalog make 90% of the sale volume, price those at 1.29, 70% at 0.99 and the remaining 20% at 0.69 just to show some goodwill, and everyone will pay an higher price.

    You will pay more, unless you really are into those rather odd songs.. ;)

  17. Wireless by shmlco · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because with Apple the AirPort Express is your "dock", as most of what you're asking for can already be done wirelessly. Plug your speakers and your printer into your Express, and you're good to go the second you set your notebook down.

    Use a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse. No wires. Do Time Machine backups to Time Capsule. No wires. Actual, physical wires are so... '80s.

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    1. Re:Wireless by BlackSnake112 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You have a wireless monitor? Where you get it?

      Also wireless keyboards and mice use some kind of battery. Which has a bad habit of dying at the worst time. At your office, having a monitor, corded keyboard, and mouse is not out of the realm of possibilities. Being able to go in your office/cube slide in or drop in your laptop. Turn it on and use the regular keyboard, mouse, and monitor is a very good thing. I know a few people that dual monitor their docked laptops while at work.

      And exactly is a wireless network your dock? And as others have said, wireless doesn't always cut it for work functions.

  18. Turly DRM Free? by TheNinjaroach · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sure the tracks are going DRM free, but will iTunes still prevent me from copying music from my iPod to a new iTunes library? It's incredibly annoying to me that any time I move PCs or operating systems that I can't easily move songs off of my iPod. The tracks may be DRM free all the way through, but it still exists if I can't move my library as I see fit.

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  19. Re:Bunk! by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How does the fact that it is not removeable affect its shape by 40%?

    Well for one, the battery compartment takes space. External shielding takes up space. Most of all, the battery has to be a certain shape to fit into and out of a laptop .

    Take a look at any laptop battery. They can't be the footprint of the entire laptop because there would be no way to install it. They have to be brick shaped. By making the battery non-removable, the battery can be optimizied to take as much space internally as it needs. If you at the MacBook Air, you'd see that 2/3s of the internal space of the machine is battery. You can't do that with a removable battery.

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  20. wrong. wrong wrong by goombah99 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They stated it can be charged 1000 times. That means if you use your laptop every day you will need a new one in 2.7 years.

    if you use it every day, including saturdays and sundays, FOR 8 HOURS A DAY, then in 2.7 years, the battery will be down to an 80% charge or 6.4 hours. Which is longer than your current 5 hour battery lasts.

    I seriously doubt many users use a computer 7 days a week, soley on batteries for 8 hours a day!

    finally you can replace the battery. There's just no simple pop-out mechanism. But unscrewing the case once in the life of a computer is not a big deal.

    Additionally Apple care will cover the battery for 3 years-- that's not something you get on most warantee contracts.

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  21. Re:So,no more DRM by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In the real world, everything has different prices depending on demand.

    In the real world, products are both rivalrous and excludable. Downloaded music is neither.

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  22. Re:Bunk! by vux984 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How does the fact that it is not removeable affect its shape by 40%?

    Here's a hypothetical cross section:
    Traditional Laptop:
    Laptop Case - Battery Case - Battery Cells - Battery Case - Laptop Case
    1mm + 1m + 3mm + 1mm + 1mm

    MBP:
    Latop Case - Battery Cells - Laptop Case
    1mm + 3mm + 1mm

    Overall thickness reduced by 2mm. The "Battery" part is reduced from 5mm to 3mm, saving 40%, by not having to give the battery a redundant plastic shell.

    The only way I could see that happening is if the battery was the size of a watch battery. After all, all you need to do to make a battery removeable is install some contacts (which would have to exist in some form or another anyways) and a latch mechanism (which could be just a simple screw).

    Not really a valid example. Comparing the can requirements of a 1 volt battery that delivers milliamps to a 10-14Volt 1-3amp battery. The much larger and more powerful battery needs more insulation and rigidity etc to prevent it from shorting out, catching fire, exploding, etc. In the MBP this is taken care of by the laptop case. In a removable battery, the battery has to have its own suitable enclosure.

    Remember "40%" may seem like a lot, but we're talking about a laptop that's only a dozen mm thick. Removing a couple mm thickness from a single part is a BIG deal.

  23. Re:So,no more DRM by Myopic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I just want to make the point that Bohemian Rhapsody should be free, considering it entered the moral public domain in 2003 (released in 1975, 28 year copyright term). It's high time our community codified our disdain for perpetual copyright by insisting on a moral public domain.

    The Birdie Song (I had to look it up) was released in 1981, so we moral people should continue to pay for it (or better, not listen to it) until sometime later this year on the anniversary of the release date.

  24. Re:So,no more DRM by chihowa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Queen, through talent and hard work, created Bohemian Rhapsody. "The public" did nothing to contribute to this, aside from existing, which I suspect they'd do whether Queen made music or not.

    What the public did was allow Queen to have exclusive rights to the song for a finite amount if time. If Queen was so intent on limiting others' use of the song, they should have kept it to themselves. It's not like the monopoly granted by copyright is somehow the natural state of things. The public exchanged copyright protection of the work for unfettered access to the work one it started "getting old". Bohemian Rhapsody is now effectively a part of our culture and Queen was payed an enormous sum of money and fame in exchange for it.

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