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Google Releases Chrome 2.0 Pre-Beta

Nick Fletcher writes "Just a few short months after the initial release, Google has released a pre-beta version of Google Chrome 2.0. It sports a few new features including form auto-completion, full-page zoom, 'profiles,' and Greasemonkey support. It seems the only notable feature would be profiles, which allows users to separate out their homepage, history, and bookmarks on a per user or category basis. It seems Google is still playing catch-up but they're definitely moving at a pace unknown to some of their competition. The full list of new features is available in the release notes."

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  1. Not a great 2.0 by alain94040 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not too many exciting new features, I'm not sure why they call it 2.0.

    Form autocomplete? It's about time. Not that I like the feature anyway, it's too dumb. 90% of the time it doesn't offer any suggestion (wild guess, if a web site asks for my name, maybe my browser might know the answer). The rest of the time (10%), it has a fifty-fifty chance of guessing right.

    Full-page zoom and auto-scroll? Great. Now I can use Chrome like I use Safari on my iPhone. Of course scaling should scale the whole page, not just the text. It shouldn't be that hard. An old technology like PDF (10 years old) knows that.

    Profiles? Ok, could be moderately useful. It sort of conflicts with the OS's notion of swapping between users. So I'd use it more as a workaround because bookmarks are hard to organize.

    Greasemonkey scripts? That's my favorite. But it's for power users only. Just read the instructions and imagine your grandma giving it a try:

    To enable this experimental feature you need to right-click on Chrome's shortcut from your desktop, select Properties and add --enable-user-scripts in the Target field. While you're in the Properties dialog, click on "Open File Location" and create a folder named User Scriptsin the user data directory, where you'll need to manually save scripts.

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    1. Re:Not a great 2.0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      They call it 2.0 so it is clear that "they're definitely moving at a pace unknown to some of their competition."

      If it was still in version 0.9, it would just be like every other stupid project.

    2. Re:Not a great 2.0 by dominator · · Score: 5, Informative

      They updated the version of WebKit that they're using to one that passes the ACID3 test. That's something.

    3. Re:Not a great 2.0 by CannonballHead · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Great. Now I can use Chrome like I use Safari on my iPhone. Of course scaling should scale the whole page, not just the text. It shouldn't be that hard. An old technology like PDF (10 years old) knows that.

      I'm not sure MOST people want to scale the entire page. Most of the time I use zooms I just want the text smaller, not picture and all that. Usually it's either because I want to read more text or I can't see the text well enough for whatever reason.

      One note on profiles ... if you install something for "all users," it doesn't change when you use it as a different user, does it? So manybe the profile thing is useful. Plus it may be that you want to have different profiles yourself, and not have to switch Windows users to change it.

      I can see it being useful, for example, having a different profile at work than I do at school than I do at home.

    4. Re:Not a great 2.0 by randyest · · Score: 1

      I'mm not sure MOST people DON'T want to scale the entire page. Most of the time I use zooms I just want the text bigger, and the pictures and all that too. Usually it's either because I want to read from further away, or I can't see the text well enough for whatever reason.

      Seriously, do you have any info on who zooms in or out how often and why? I sure don't, but my anecdote appears to be exactly in opposition to yours, so like matter and anti-matter, I'm afraid we collide and produce a net nothingness :(

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    5. Re:Not a great 2.0 by Goaway · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Just read the instructions and imagine your grandma giving it a try:

      Your grandma isn't going to be using pre-beta software. It's like that because the features is far from complete yet and is thus not enabled by default. It's not going to be like that in the final version.

    6. Re:Not a great 2.0 by lytles · · Score: 3, Interesting

      i use multiple firefox profiles - make's it easier to access multiple yahoo and gmail accounts, and try to keep my real work from heavy flash and javascript pages that are more likely to crash the browser. haven't tried chrome, but being able to set profiles on a tab by tab basis would be great. hope that's what they mean

      and if i have trouble with a web app, it's nice to pop into a fresh profile so that you know plugins or settings aren't causing the problem. i start firefox from bash, using:

      firefox -P myUserName --no-remote &

    7. Re:Not a great 2.0 by CannonballHead · · Score: 1

      I have no statistics if that is what you mean. However, if it doesn't matter, and if my anecdotal evidence means nothing, then how can we criticize Google for choosing what they did for the page zoom feature? After all, they probably asked all their developers, so they have more statistics than either of us do.

      Anyway, I was simply offering the suggestion that when I, or people I've been around for the most part, want to zoom in a page, it's because we want to see the text better. Occasionally an image, but not as often. Images don't change as much across browsers and operating systems as text styles, especially depending on how the CSS sutff is set up (if at all).

    8. Re:Not a great 2.0 by Sancho · · Score: 1

      I'll throw in my two cents.

      When I zoom in, it's because the page itself is too small. Usually it's some Flash widget. Occasionally it's text.

      When I zoom out (from default), it's because I want to see more text. Rarely, if ever, is it because I think that an image is too large.

      Zooming one or the other, though, can disrupt the layout of the page, so in general, I think that the best policy is to zoom everything. I guess that optional text-only zoom would be nice, though.

    9. Re:Not a great 2.0 by lagfest · · Score: 0

      Firefox is soon at 3.1 and IE soonish at 8, they've got some catching up to do.

    10. Re:Not a great 2.0 by TwistedSymmetry · · Score: 1

      With greasemonkey support, AdBlock should be fairly easy to implement.

    11. Re:Not a great 2.0 by nategoose · · Score: 1

      They are calling it 2.0 because they are trying to catch up to the version numbers of the other browsers.

    12. Re:Not a great 2.0 by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      Seriously, do you have any info on who zooms in or out how often and why?

      That's one of the features that made me an Opera zealot. Fairly regularly I'll scale up a page so ppl around my desk can easily read it. I also sometimes scale down a page because an image is too big to fit it. (Or I just plain want to use a smaller window.)

      I sometimes wish I had a mouse for each hand so I can do the zooming and rearranging that the iPhone's multi-touch supports. I'm ready for resolution independence.

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    13. Re:Not a great 2.0 by Unordained · · Score: 1

      Pedantic note: collision of matter and antimatter does not produce a net nothingness; it should produce massive amounts of radiation. Conservation of mass and energy still applies.

    14. Re:Not a great 2.0 by i'm+lost · · Score: 1

      Are they catching up with Firefox 3, IE8, or Opera 9?

    15. Re:Not a great 2.0 by tsalaroth · · Score: 1

      Full-page zoom and auto-scroll? Great. Now I can use Chrome like I use Safari on my iPhone. Of course scaling should scale the whole page, not just the text. It shouldn't be that hard. An old technology like PDF (10 years old) knows that.

      Except PDF is vectorized (to a certain extent). Most fonts are also vectorized, but the vast majority of images you find on web pages are going to be raster images, not vector-based. This makes scaling up pretty hard without jaggies.

      The exception, of course, being SVG images and some other formats. As far as I'm aware, SVG is the only vector graphics format supported by any of the mainstream browsers without a plugin.

    16. Re:Not a great 2.0 by vux984 · · Score: 1

      Pedantic note: collision of matter and antimatter does not produce a net nothingness; it should produce massive amounts of radiation. Conservation of mass and energy still applies.

      The problem isn't that they don't understand conservation of mass and energy. Its that that most people don't really understand that anti-matter is just regular energy composed into matter with inverted electrical charges on the particles.

      In otherwords they don't get that anti-matter is not "negative-energy".

      To them, anti-matter should be negative-energy... e.g. so when you mix it with regular matter they do in fact produce net nothingness in order to satisfy the conservation of mass and energy. And there would even be anti-photons (or negative-photons) that cancel out normal photons, etc. Versus normal physics where the photon has no anti-particle... or, more accurately, the photon is its own anti-particle. Since it carries no charge (and is not composed of sub-particles that carry charge).

    17. Re:Not a great 2.0 by cgenman · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'm rather fond of Opera's solution. All of the text and images are increased in size, but the page remains the same width. That way L/R scrolling is eliminated (unlike PDF's or the iPhone) but all of the elements of the page are larger and more usable.

    18. Re:Not a great 2.0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, it doesn't pass ACID3. It gets 100/100 score, but the render is not perfect. The shadowing of the ACID3 logo is all wrong and there is a large red "LINKTEST FAILED". Plus, if you click on it an alert is displayed that mentions that while 2 of the tests had succeeded they did not do so within the expected time frame which would prevent the animation from achieving 30 FPS.

      ACID3 does kind of suck that you can manage 100/100 and still fail.

    19. Re:Not a great 2.0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The rest of the time (10%), it has a fifty-fifty chance of guessing right.

      "The doctor says he has a fifty-fifty chance of living, but there's only a ten percent chance of that."

    20. Re:Not a great 2.0 by curunir · · Score: 1

      Form autocomplete? It's about time. Not that I like the feature anyway, it's too dumb. 90% of the time it doesn't offer any suggestion (wild guess, if a web site asks for my name, maybe my browser might know the answer). The rest of the time (10%), it has a fifty-fifty chance of guessing right.

      Beyond the difficulty of the browser being able to pair up the information that it collects about you with the name of the form input, implementing autocomplete as you suggest would introduce a huge privacy hole. Using javascript, it's pretty trivial to have a hidden iframe with some form elements that gets automatically submitted via XmlHttpRequest. If browsers happily tried to pre-populate form elements based on their best guess as to what piece of information it thought belonged there, it would be way too simple for sites to gather all that information without your knowledge. As it is now, if you've typed something in a form element and begin to type the same thing, most browsers will use the previous entry as a suggestion, so that's about as much as you'd want them to do without you explicitly saying "Remember the values in this form" (like the you have to when it remembers a password for you.)

      I just hope Chrome is smarter about recognizing opportunities to use autocomplete. As it is now, browsers will only identify autocomplete-eligible inputs if they are hard-coded into the HTML that's delivered to them. They ignore elements that are added to the DOM dynamically. This means that JavaScript frameworks that do this sort of thing look and feel like normal HTML pages to the user, but autocomplete just doesn't work. One would hope that Google would try to make it work based on the DOM, since GWT is particularly susceptible to the issue and the work-around is a pretty nasty hack.

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    21. Re:Not a great 2.0 by h3llfish · · Score: 1

      >> I'm not sure why they call it 2.0

      Because competing browsers are on version 7 (IE), or 9 (Opera). So, they're going to call any update that adds a feature a new version, in an effort to "catch up". It's just about how consumers perceive the product. It's not like there are hard and fast rules to this numbering stuff. I imagine they'll skip 3 altogether, and go right to 4.5.

    22. Re:Not a great 2.0 by TheBashar · · Score: 1

      No, it fails the Acid3 test.

      I'm browsing with the new release of Chrome and it quite clearly fails the test. Just because the counter says 100/100 doesn't mean it passes. There are rendering problems with the squares and it quite clearly prints "linktest failed".

      How hard is it to read the Acid3 explanation that passing the test IS matching the reference rendering exactly?

    23. Re:Not a great 2.0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like the idea of profiles. Sometimes I want to surf anonymously and don't want to have to remember to put it in anonymous mode, so you just make a profile that is completely anonymous. Surf porn, close without worrying. Then I just check into my church profile. Visit a couple of modern theology forums, then my wife is none the wiser shen she checks my surfing history.

    24. Re:Not a great 2.0 by iNaya · · Score: 1

      I have to agree with CannonballHead here. I've never ever wanted to scale pictures up with the text. Usually I just want to read the text bigger, why would I want the images to be bigger? Most images don't scale well enough, and I only ever have problems with text being too small to read.

      It would be nice if they put in an option allowing one to choose between scaling both pictures and text XOR scaling text. But if there was to not be an option, I think it would be preferable to just scale the text.

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    25. Re:Not a great 2.0 by iNaya · · Score: 1

      Or else they have a lot more features planned for 2.0 and they are releasing it early for testers while further updates to the 1.0 branch will be mostly annoyance/speed/bug fixes. Any Google people here to justify/explain?

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    26. Re:Not a great 2.0 by OeLeWaPpErKe · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The only real feature I'm interested in (I don't know about the rest of you) is simple :

      Linux support
      FreeBSD support

      If they could get that one done. Preferably with an apt-get option for at least ubuntu intrepid and debian.

      I can't imagine that being very hard.

    27. Re:Not a great 2.0 by aussie_a · · Score: 1

      Is IE 8 beta actually safe to use? Because last I heard IE 7 certainly wasn't.

    28. Re:Not a great 2.0 by ZERO1ZERO · · Score: 1
      Opera does it the best way of any browser...

      If you run at 1920x1200 and put magnification to 150%, it's exactly like using a 1024x768 browser, only muc bigger and the fonts are all nice and smooth.

      If, for some reason, the page does go wider than you want, just hit 'fit-to'width' and it squashes it back to the browser width. It's fanstastic.

    29. Re:Not a great 2.0 by techprophet · · Score: 1

      I always disable form autocomplete. Blech. I also have a greasemonkey script that removes ajax autocompletes.

      Name another <em>desktop</em> browser that can do that.

      Profiles should be nice.

      GREASEMONKEY!!!!!!!

    30. Re:Not a great 2.0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are there any ways in which my life, as either a web developer and user, is better by any browser passing ACID3?

      ACID3 is a collection of dozens of different tests, each testing a tiny slice of some web standard (sometimes testing only failure modes). So it includes SVG, but only a tiny part of SVG, and my SVG documents look almost completely different on different browsers. I can't rely on SVG working (or even being fully implemented), even if I know ACID3 passes.

      Repeat this for all the other standards in the test. ACID3 means you know a couple specific facts about HTTP, ECMAscript, XHTML, SMIL, SVG, UTF-16, and so on, but not enough to be able to say it supports all (or even most) of any of these.

      I would *much* rather they said "100% CSS3 support" or "100% SVG 1.1 support". That would mean something, and be really useful. The ACID* tests are fun, but not that useful to me.

  2. profiles vs fast user switching by ecklesweb · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What's the point of profiles in a web browser when you have fast user switching (and/or whatever MS calls their equivalent function)? Seems like that's the point of a multiuser operating system...

    1. Re:profiles vs fast user switching by c.r.o.c.o · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The vast majority of people I've seen using windows never log out to switch users. They are automatically logged in as Administrator or whatever admin account was created when windows was installed. Switching user profiles makes perfect sense in a browser.

    2. Re:profiles vs fast user switching by Bogtha · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I totally agree in the context of family members sharing a computer, but I find profiles useful because I'm a web developer and I don't want lots of toolbars taking up screen space and development extensions running when I'm just surfing the web normally as opposed to working on a site.

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    3. Re:profiles vs fast user switching by El+Cabri · · Score: 1

      I think that it's from Vista on that users are steered away, maybe even prevented, from doing that in a client OS. Vista's not so bad, believe me.

    4. Re:profiles vs fast user switching by athakur999 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Profiles are useful when you use your computer for both personal and work purposes, since you're probably going to access a completely different set of bookmarks for each. My "work" profile has toolbar bookmarks for various Intranet pages and my "personal" profile has the toolbar bookmarks pointing to other things (e.g. Slashdot, Digg).

      It's just a convenience thing for me since it says me a little bit of time versus trying to keep both things organized in a single profile.

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    5. Re:profiles vs fast user switching by drew · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I can think of one reason, especially if (Hello? Google guys? You listening?) you can have both profiles open in separate windows at the same time. The first example that comes to mind is that I have two Google accounts, one for personal stuff and one for work stuff. Each has it's own email, calendar, documents, etc. Every now and then I'll be logged into one account and need something that is in the other account, so I have to log out, log into other account, get what I need, log out again... You can sort of short cut the process using incognito windows, or using two separate browsers, but neither of those feels like a real solution to me. There are enough times that I've thought that it would be nice to be running two (or more) browser windows each with it's own independent "cookie space" that I'd really like to see somebody add this as a feature.

      Beyond that, why assume that multiple browser profiles must automatically belong to different users? If they are simple enough to manage and use (something nobody has really done so far) there's no reason that a web developer couldn't have one profile for testing and one for email/ calendar/ other browsing. Or even a separate profile for each client. Maybe you need to use a proxy server on your laptop when you connect from certain locations. Again, this is something that I have always accomplished in the past by using separate browsers - e.g. Opera goes through the proxy, while Firefox connects to the internet directly.

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    6. Re:profiles vs fast user switching by Runefox · · Score: 1

      Honestly, this very reason, along with a smoking fast startup speed, is why I use Chrome for general browsing and Firefox for web development.

      Off-topic and interestingly, the ad on top of this page is for Google Chrome. ... Even more interestingly (or maybe just bizarrely), it's a static image, but it's being conveyed using SWF. Seems like Google is starting to step forward a little more boldly on Chrome as a serious product.

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    7. Re:profiles vs fast user switching by evanbd · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Hey, I know! We can have the email program have profiles too! And the photo editor, and the instant messaging client! Perhaps one day someone will come up with a unified way to have them synchronize, so that I don't have to create and manage a set of profiles on every application. It could also unify password management, and give each profile its own common place to put files.

      Or, I don't know, we could actually use the user system that exists. Poorly reimplementing users in every single program is a horrible idea.

      That said, there are uses for profiles that aren't just crippled reimplementations of the user concept. But they have more to do with wanting a different, well, profile of settings for different tasks -- things like the private browsing mode. Or, for example, I use a different Firefox profile for browsing Freenet (there are both performance and security reasons for that).

    8. Re:profiles vs fast user switching by chrispugh · · Score: 3, Funny

      We can have the email program have profiles too!

      Pretty sure they already exist. They're called 'email addresses'.

    9. Re:profiles vs fast user switching by Twinbee · · Score: 1

      Maybe that's because it's so painful to do (using XP anyway). I have to wait sometimes 30 seconds before the switch. Plus it takes a total of 4 clicks, each of those clicks with yet MORE long pauses sometimes.

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    10. Re:profiles vs fast user switching by evanbd · · Score: 1

      And when I "log in" as my "user" the email program magically knows which "email address" I want to use! I don't even have to tell it! How cool is that?

    11. Re:profiles vs fast user switching by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      On my Vista machine (6 month old laptop with 4GB RAM), it's extremely slow user switching, so I appreciate it.

    12. Re:profiles vs fast user switching by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Both links in the article indicate this is possible. Wrench menu -> New window in profile . I definitely agree with you that this is useful :).

    13. Re:profiles vs fast user switching by Spudtrooper · · Score: 1

      There's an ad on this page? Where?

    14. Re:profiles vs fast user switching by vux984 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The vast majority of people I've seen using windows never log out to switch users.

      1) It used to be a ROYAL hassle to switch users in OSX and Windows. To force my wife or kids to log everything out just so I could check or send a quick email was absurd.

      Fast user switching technologies have made this less of a hassle, but a lot of people are conditioned against multiple accounts from the hassle it was in Windows 2000 and before or OSX 10.2 and before. I honeslty don't know when exactly Linux added the feature to let you swap desktops easily.

      2) Many "family computers" really have no need of the separation between accounts.

      My wife has a laptop that's sort of a family unit. She has her email accounts, and IM etc on it. My email goes to another PC, but since hers is usually in the living room if I want to do something I'll usually just use it... whether its just look something up on the web, or check my email (via webmail), or IM my brother or something, there's really no point in having a whole separate account for me on it. Our kids use it too, mostly for games and tux paint. They are young enough they don't really need a separate account (the oldest is in grade 1). Having separate accounts would actually just be a hassle.

      (And as you may have guessed from "tux paint" that its a linux laptop, not a windows one... so a single account is really a convenience thing, not a 'because its windows' thing.)

    15. Re:profiles vs fast user switching by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      The OS provides the functionality for multiple users. The browser provides functionality for users with multiple personalities.

    16. Re:profiles vs fast user switching by Aris+Katsaris · · Score: 1

      Hmm... let's test the coolness of this with the hypothetical scenario of my brother saying "hey, can I check something on the web for a sec"?

      Different logins:
      - I save the files I'm working on, even ones that are clearly not meant to be saved yet.
      - I log out
      - He logs in.
      - He opens up the browser and does his work.
      - He logs back out
      - I log back in.
      - I reopen all my programs, reloading all the files I had saved.

      Different browser profiles
      - I tell him "don't close up anything I have open".
      - He opens up the browser and does his work, after switching browser profiles.
      - I switch browser profiles back and continue my own work.

      Somehow "different browser profiles" seems to me to be much simpler and work much faster (and thus be all around "cooler") than your own preferred hammer-beats-nail-into-submission solution.

    17. Re:profiles vs fast user switching by schklerg · · Score: 3, Interesting

      XP, Vista, Gnome (unsure KDE / Mac) have all had fast user switching for a while so that you can log in a second user without disturbing any of the previously logged in users things. It uses more RAM, but works great in my experience with none of the issues you state.

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    18. Re:profiles vs fast user switching by Constantine+XVI · · Score: 1

      KDE and OSX have also supported this for a while.

      And so has *nix proper since the dawn of time :)

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    19. Re:profiles vs fast user switching by VGPowerlord · · Score: 1

      fast user switching (and/or whatever MS calls their equivalent function)

      I'm pretty sure Microsoft coined the term "fast user switching."

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    20. Re:profiles vs fast user switching by cpicon92 · · Score: 0

      believe it or not it's called fast user switching by MS too

    21. Re:profiles vs fast user switching by MrNaz · · Score: 1

      You're aware that in *all* modern operating systems you can switch between use profiles on the OS without logging either out or closing any of their open programs?

      Welcome to 2003!

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    22. Re:profiles vs fast user switching by SleepingWaterBear · · Score: 1

      Well, if you don't have a fast user switching system (you know, like they have in Windows, OS X, and Linux) that lets you log in as another user without logging out the current user, then this might be a valid argument.

    23. Re:profiles vs fast user switching by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To this and any other replies on "Fast User Switching"... are you guys serious?

      Nobody wants to semi-logout, at least, nobody i've ever known.
      And most of the times, it isn't anywhere near "fast" with most people.

      But even then, with this, now i can use the same site with several logins, for example, something like a photo site, video site, social networking (friends only vs "public" profiles).
      There are so many more reasons why browser profiles is a great idea.
      This is probably the best thing they have done so far, just beating Incognito mode.

      Even Mozilla had the idea for a while, but sort of gave up caring for it, made it some background thing... idiots.

      Browser profiles > OS profiles. (IMO, of course)

    24. Re:profiles vs fast user switching by LingNoi · · Score: 1

      or do what happens already, just let him check something for a sec in a new tab and you go back to your work.

    25. Re:profiles vs fast user switching by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      What's the point of profiles in a web browser when you have fast user switching (and/or whatever MS calls their equivalent function)?

      Someone might want to create browser profiles for different activities without creating different OS-level accounts. "Profiles" don't have to correspond to different people.

    26. Re:profiles vs fast user switching by ion.simon.c · · Score: 1

      Due to some quirk or other, FUS is disabled on my Windows video game machine.

      (However, this video game machine has a singular purpose... playing video games. It doesn't need FUS.)

    27. Re:profiles vs fast user switching by Goodgerster · · Score: 4, Informative

      I honeslty don't know when exactly Linux added the feature to let you swap desktops easily.

      That would be about 1965, or whenever it was that UNIX was conceived. UNIX has had the capacity to support thousands of users simultaneously since the beginning of time (literally). When X appeared in the late 80s, very little changed in this regard.

      Since Windows 95, Microsoft has been trying very very hard to add sensible multi-user facilities to Windows. The fact that consumer releases prior to XP were unable to prevent users logging in without a password, let alone prevent users from having full write access to each others' files, is perhaps irrelevant considering those users each had permission to delete the Windows kernel as well.

      The NT kernel supplied XP with the capacity to handle multiple users securely and XP introduced fast user switching, but the damage was done --- most of the apps available by that point had to be run as root, and the attempt to bring the system a tiny fraction further along its long journey to UNIX-level user security was one of the more significant nails in Vista's coffin.

      I reckon MS will eventually (too late) do what Apple did (also too late) and replace the entire thing with a bastard UNIX system running the shell from the previous system, and provide a compatibility layer. Indeed, it might be the only way to save it. Meanwhile, Wine continues to make it increasingly obsolete.

    28. Re:profiles vs fast user switching by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Well, I don't think it was that early. Whenever X started allowing you to switch between logins via function keys, though, would seem to qualify. That was quite awhile ago.

      OTOH, the current "Switch User" (KDE menu) is a *lot* slicker. And it's much more recent. A few years old, though, but I don't think decades.

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    29. Re:profiles vs fast user switching by guruevi · · Score: 3, Informative

      X (Unix and consequently Linux) had this in the early 90's already. It's called CTRL+ALT+F1-F4 for terminals, CTRL+ALT+F8-F12 for X-instances. I had it and used it before Mac or Windows had it. With X you can even login remotely in a display without current users noticing (something Windows Remote Desktop still can't do (unless you BUY Terminal Services).

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    30. Re:profiles vs fast user switching by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? There must be something terribly wrong with your computer. On my old computer OS X takes maybe 2 seconds to switch, with one click.

    31. Re:profiles vs fast user switching by Aris+Katsaris · · Score: 1

      Nah, you just all caught me on a noob moment. I never had to use this fast user switching system you've all mentioned, so didn't know much about it (Outside rare occasions, I'm pretty much the only one who uses my home computer).

    32. Re:profiles vs fast user switching by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Macs got fast user switching in 2003 as part of OS 10.3.

    33. Re:profiles vs fast user switching by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windows is actually a step up from Linux in this area.

      Given terminal services (or a cute little patch available online to enable this for XP Pro), one can log in remotely with Remote Desktop without disturbing the console user. The normal behavior without termserv/patch is to force the other user to log off. So you have one remote-initiated session, one local. And this works beautifully with X - has for decades.

      But what if I disconnect from the remote session?
      I can log in locally (perhaps with 'switch user') and the existing remote-intiated session is displayed. Resolution is updated, 3D acceleration and video overlays start working again, etc.

      The local-initiated session can be accessed remotely as expected too. A 'locked' screen will be displayed, and a proper password can kick out the remote client. In other words, it doesn't matter how it started. Sessions can migrate seamlessly between remote/local viewing.

      You CAN'T do this with X. If you can, I haven't seen a way, in all this time pining for a real terminal services replacement.

      You can use x11vnc. And then your monitor wakes up, and everyone can see your cursor thrashing about. You can start every session in vncserver and use a fullscreen vnc viewer in raw mode - but lets be honest, thats fucking retarded.
      Think about it.
      It just isn't there, and it won't be any day soon due to design limitations. You end up logging out locally and logging back in, and try to pretend that session saving/restoring is 'good enough.'

    34. Re:profiles vs fast user switching by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Console switching is not a feature of X11, it's a Linux/(Free?)BSD kernel feature. None of the "traditional" commercial Unices that I have used (AIX, HPUX, Solaris, IRIX, SINIX, XENIX) and none of the hardware X11-Terminals I've used have this feature. In the X.org (or XFree86) Sources, support for virtual console switching is part of the OS dependent files.

    35. Re:profiles vs fast user switching by Twinbee · · Score: 1

      I bet the page/swap file has something to do with it :(
      Even navigating through directories often thrashes the HD.

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    36. Re:profiles vs fast user switching by pbhj · · Score: 1

      Many "family computers" really have no need of the separation between accounts.[...] Our kids use it too, mostly for games and tux paint. They are young enough they don't really need a separate account (the oldest is in grade 1).

      My lad is 3 and has been using the computer since he was 2, he uses it for iPlayer (CBBC progs mainly), with help to look at things on youtube (volcanoes erupting today, again) and for gCompris, he also tries supertuxkart ("tux racing") and supertux ("tux walking") but prefers to sit on my lap and fire rockets/fireballs whilst I play.

      Anyhow ... he will now switch on, open Firefox (large logo on desktop) and navigate to iplayer (toolbar icon) and then choose a CBBC program to watch. That makes me nervous, occassionally I seem him clicking around to see what stuff does, which is kinda great. But I'm thinking very soon he'll need to be on a separate account away from being able to delete all my work files!

      FWIW.

    37. Re:profiles vs fast user switching by vux984 · · Score: 1

      That would be about 1965, or whenever it was that UNIX was conceived. UNIX has had the capacity to support thousands of users simultaneously since the beginning of time (literally). When X appeared in the late 80s, very little changed in this regard.

      Unix may have been multiuser since around the time it was conceived, but the ability to neatly *switch* between multiple logins on a single terminal is much newer unless I'm mistaken.

    38. Re:profiles vs fast user switching by nitecoder · · Score: 1

      I would love to be able to use GMail in one window and search Google in another, yet not have my searches associated with my gmail user id. If Google went ahead and implemented this feature in its own browser, my hat is really off to them! I thought they very much liked the current situation where everyone's activity relentlessly ends up being yoked to their google user id.

    39. Re:profiles vs fast user switching by evanbd · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's a use case where profiles aren't just a hacked-together version of user accounts. You can do that right now with Firefox profiles, if you want. I assume the new Chrome profiles are the same way. Of course, they may correlate you by ip anyway...

    40. Re:profiles vs fast user switching by hardov · · Score: 1

      We can have the email program have profiles too!

      Pretty sure they already exist. They're called 'email addresses'.

      Seriously, though, I don't see why these profiles couldn't evolve into something like email addresses, such that users can separate their different activities not only for the sake of convenience but also for privacy reasons.

      It also makes sense from Google's perspective in that profiles could potentially help Google collect data on different users/profiles from the same computer. If Google doesn't know who is using the computer (i.e., if you don't log in to your GMail account), then how else will they personalize your Google experience?

  3. Forget Greasemonkey... by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Gimme Firebug....or perhaps that should be ChromeBug.

    1. Re:Forget Greasemonkey... by moderatorrater · · Score: 2, Informative

      They have that functionality built into the core. They have a javascript console and element inspector that's as good as firebug, possibly better. I don't know if they have a straight up debugger, but I'd be surprised if they don't.

  4. Pre- Beta by Fezzick · · Score: 1

    Pre-Beta is what Beta used to mean before Google came along... Will GMail ever get out of Beta?

    1. Re:Pre- Beta by AntiRush · · Score: 1

      Google seems to be moving in the opposite direction of the rest of the software industry. "Beta" releases these days (particularly in online games) are rough, buggy, pieces of work that would have been called alpha 15 years ago. Google, on the other hand, loves perpetual betas. I think I like their approach better.

    2. Re:Pre- Beta by Chabo · · Score: 3, Informative

      The way I learned it:

      Pre-Alpha: No working code
      Alpha: Compiles and runs, but not feature-complete
      Beta: Feature-complete, but potentially buggy

      By that scale, Google probably isn't convinced that GMail isn't buggy.

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    3. Re:Pre- Beta by Goaway · · Score: 1

      First off, that's not Google calling it "pre-beta", it's some random guy with a blog. Google calls it "2.0.156.1". Furthermore, "pre-beta" implies "alpha", which is exactly what this is.

    4. Re:Pre- Beta by buddyglass · · Score: 1

      I attended a talk by Alan Eustace, Google's Senior VP of Engineering and Research. Someone asked that exact question: what are your criteria for moving Gmail out of beta?

      His answer was that google has certain "availability targets" that, until they're met, will result in Gmail staying in beta. I'm guessing it's on the order of a year's time in which no single user loses any data or is unable to get to his email. Every time someone loses data or they have down time, that resets the timer.

    5. Re:Pre- Beta by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      Interesting. The way I learned it was, an alpha test was in-house, a beta test was available to people outside the organization. And the joke was, the version you ship to paying customers is the gamma test, given that "potentially buggy" describes the software in all phases. ;)

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    6. Re:Pre- Beta by Chabo · · Score: 1

      Well, to clarify my "potentially buggy" statement, it's more like that betas will usually have major known bugs. In the world of easy bugfixes, you release when all/most of the known bugs are "medium" priority or lower.

      As for who you have test your program, that all depends on how you feel like doing it. Most companies won't release alpha software to the outside world, maybe a demonstration at most. That doesn't mean you can't though, and it also doesn't mean you can't have a closed beta release.

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    7. Re:Pre- Beta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you're saying that the little "BETA" in the Gmail logo is the equivalent of those classic "X days since our last accident" signs? Nice.

    8. Re:Pre- Beta by buddyglass · · Score: 1

      That's certainly the way Eustace made it sound. Of course, I have no idea how long they'd have to maintain 100% availability is before moving out of Beta. He wouldn't say. Presumably it's "pretty long".

  5. Finally, a Mac version! by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Funny

    Oh, wait - nevermind.

    Nothing to see there, move along...

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    1. Re:Finally, a Mac version! by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1

      They did mention that they changed the HTTP code for cross-platform compatibility, so maybe that's evidence that they're working on delivering a Mac version? I dunno.

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    2. Re:Finally, a Mac version! by Goaway · · Score: 1

      They have stated from day one that they are working on delivering a Mac version, so it's not like you need to read any tea leaves to find that out.

    3. Re:Finally, a Mac version! by slamb · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you want to see evidence they're working on delivering a Mac version, you might start at the Mac build instructions or the revision history.

    4. Re:Finally, a Mac version! by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      Since Chrome is based on WebKit, we're just as good with Safari as far as page rendering goes.

      We also have Opera and Firefox as browser alternatives.

    5. Re:Finally, a Mac version! by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1

      Nah, I don't care for myself, as I avoid Macs like the plague. I was just trying to convey that the OP shouldn't think the platform has been abandoned.

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  6. So, will this be an... by davidsyes · · Score: 1

    Alpha Beta? Or, an Omega Beta (sorry...)

    Sorta like "pre/proto-pregnant"...

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  7. 2.0 but still no non-windows by HermMunster · · Score: 3, Informative

    Would be nice if these guys would focus some on satisfying the other OS markets. There's absolutely no need for them to take such tremendous advantage of Open Source and then neglect them in such a long term way as they have with Chrome.

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    1. Re:2.0 but still no non-windows by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 1

      Google have stated that add-ons(plugins, whatever you call 'em) and cross-platform browsing are in the works.

    2. Re:2.0 but still no non-windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As if that was enough. They better release a truly Open Source version that can be compiled on any system. I won't be using any binary of dubious content running over a wrapper when I can have Firefox running natively from source on any system.
      That they haven't been yet able of releasing a Mac and Linux port is a hint that they did something really wrong and objectionable with the original Windows version.

    3. Re:2.0 but still no non-windows by HAKdragon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They better release a truly Open Source version that can be compiled on any system.
       
      Just because it's open source, doesn't mean it has to be platform agnostic.

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    4. Re:2.0 but still no non-windows by StikyPad · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Boo hoo..

      OSS doesn't have to mean using an OSOS. One of the tenets of the GPL is that you're free to use the code for *whatever* purpose you see fit, not solely (or at all) the purpose envisaged by the author. You can't have it both ways.

    5. Re:2.0 but still no non-windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True enough (packages like Folder Size are excellent), but there's no compelling reason to tie a web browser to a given platform. Free software should be able to run on a free OS.

    6. Re:2.0 but still no non-windows by Goaway · · Score: 1

      Four months is "long term" to you? Talk about living on internet time.

    7. Re:2.0 but still no non-windows by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      Whichever way you cut it, the 'other OS markets' are pathetically small - perhaps, as a profitable company, Google just might know where their best chance of furthering their revenue streams currently lie...

      The other OSes will come, but at a pace that doesn't require a lot of upfront investment in the form of lots of developers and money.

    8. Re:2.0 but still no non-windows by pseudonomous · · Score: 1

      OS X isn't that small, it's like 9% now, that's almost a potential 10% increase in market share ... on the other hand, linux is about 1% market share, on the gripping hand linux users are probably the most likely to jump browsers, since while windows/mac users tend to use whatever's pre-installed. On the mutated fourth arm, growing out of my head, linux users are only going to stick with chrome if it's superior to firefox/opera. So, yeah, linux is a pretty negligable market. But if you port the code RIGHT, it should compile on any unix system, so then Mac users, *BSD users, Solaris users, and Linux users can all be happy.

    9. Re:2.0 but still no non-windows by madbavarian · · Score: 1

      The best reason for them to do other OS's is that it forces them to do a better job of dividing the program into OS-dependent and OS-independent parts. The longer they wait, the harder it will be to unravel things.

    10. Re:2.0 but still no non-windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google have stated that add-ons(plugins, whatever you call 'em) and cross-platform browsing are in the works.

      So is Duke Nukem Forever.

    11. Re:2.0 but still no non-windows by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      You're totally right, they should spend a lot of time and effort adding support for a tiny fragment of a splinter of the market rather than supporting the core and largest OS on the market, while letting the OSS world support the the others. I mean, thats been one of the battle cries for OSS for years, so is it just one of those things you say until you get your way and then change to something else?

      People would bitch if it was closed source, saying 'if it was open source at least we can port it ourself!~!@$!@%~!@#%!@#%GPL0R@D13!%@', but instead its open source and now you bitch that they aren't doing it anyway. At what point do the linux and/or OSS fanboys become happy? They've kissed your ass by making it free. They've kissed your ass by making it open source. Should they just go ahead and wipe for you to?

      People like you are why I hate OSS fanboys. Your tone shows that is has nothing to do with open source and sharing, and all to do with what you can get out of it for free. You just scream OMGZ OSS!@$!. Have you written anything and released it under an actual open source license at all? My guess is no. If it was truely about the community, you wouldn't have a problem with what they are doing with the source they use (not to meantion, though you obviously don't care enough to notices that they do infact contribute code to the projects they depend on). To you its not about the community or sharing knowledge its about what you can get for free, and that is NOT the spirit of OSS, its just typical 'give me because I'm a spoiled brat' under the banner of OSS.

      And before you start to tell me all about GPL, allow me to point out, to the dismay of many, the people who actually really are ALL about sharing the knowledge generally don't use GPL, with a few exceptions like Linus himself. And no, Stallman is not about sharing knowledge, he's about being a zealot and self promoting himself to the mindless dulls that follow his every move like he's god himself. One day he'll stop taking bong hits, get a shave and a hair cut, and come out and tell us we're all idiots for listening to him.

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    12. Re:2.0 but still no non-windows by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      You sir, don't know what open source means. It does not mean they make it work for you on whatever platform you want. It means they share the work they've done with you openly, and you may potentially get it to work on your platform of choice.

      The fact that they haven't released a mac or linux port is more of an indication that they just don't give a fuck about your tiny portion of the market. They have a business to run, businesses dont' cater to your every whim, they're more like animals in nature who actually have to compete to survive, which means they don't always do the nice thing. Google has at least given you the ability to fix it yourself, perhaps if you spent less time whining about how they should do the work for you, you could accomplish something yourself?

      And, please tell me when Firefox runs on an ATmega64 processor running my custom OS, they better fix that shit to support my OS now otherwise its totally not opensource!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    13. Re:2.0 but still no non-windows by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      The point about open source is that you are free to do this yourself. Otherwise, one might as well winge that Firefox isn't truely taking advantage of open source, unless someone ports it to the Amiga for you.

  8. Copy Firefox source code? by HockeyPuck · · Score: 1

    What would keep Google from taking Firefox's source code and copying it or using it as a reference for upcoming features? Could google decide to "borrow" the code/technology for Firefox's awesome bar?

    1. Re:Copy Firefox source code? by Fezzick · · Score: 1

      Nothing really. Firefox is licensed under the Mozilla Public License (MPL), an open source license. Don't see any barriers related to copying code here - that's one of the main advantages of open source software.

    2. Re:Copy Firefox source code? by Bogtha · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Gecko is large and unwieldy compared to Webkit. When Apple decided to build a browser, they hired ex-Mozilla developers, who promptly turned around and used KHTML because it was so much leaner and better designed, despite their extensive experience with Gecko.

      It's far from obvious that Firefox is ahead in the technology stakes. It trails in many ways and seems like a far less agile project compared with Webkit and Opera. It does have a few areas where it is ahead, but the downsides seem like an albatross to me.

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    3. Re:Copy Firefox source code? by nine-times · · Score: 1

      What would keep Google from taking Firefox's source code and copying it or using it as a reference for upcoming features? Could google decide to "borrow" the code/technology for Firefox's awesome bar?

      Firefox as an "awesome bar"? Is that like a spacebar, but it makes things awesome?

      I'm no expert, but I don't see why they couldn't use Firefox code. They're both open source, so it's just an issue of whether the licenses are compatible, and they probably are.

      On the other hand, if Google really wanted to be like Firefox, they could have started with Firefox code to begin with. It seems like maybe they just don't want to do that?

    4. Re:Copy Firefox source code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Makes you wonder, what if Mozilla dropped Gecko and moved to Webkit... :P

    5. Re:Copy Firefox source code? by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      Gecko is large and unwieldy compared to Webkit. ... It trails in many ways and seems like a far less agile project compared with Webkit and Opera...

      In summary, Mozilla is becoming a dinosaur...

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    6. Re:Copy Firefox source code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ain't going to happen.

      That would be a public admission of failure for Firefox. They will continue to plod along like an old man heading off down the wrong direction because he refuses to admit he got his directions wrong to his wife.

    7. Re:Copy Firefox source code? by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      Could google decide to "borrow" the code/technology for Firefox's awesome bar?

      Fuck me, I hope not - I'd have to move to plain old Safari!

      Yes, there are people out here that do not like the 'awesome bar'. Please give us our old url bar back.

    8. Re:Copy Firefox source code? by FrostDust · · Score: 1

      Basically, it's an address bar that automatically suggests things as you type, out of history, web searches, etc. I don't use FF, so I couldn't tell you myself, but it's quite a contentious issue. Many users dislike it, but can't switch back to the old address bar without "downgrading" to FF version 2.

      It seems that Google doesn't want to introduce too many similarities, not for lawsuit fears (I also assume the licenses are mostly compatible), but concerned about the browsers being so similar that they don't attract the users that want something different. It's also very likely the Google devs feel they could do better with using mostly their own code.

    9. Re:Copy Firefox source code? by mrchaotica · · Score: 2, Informative

      Firefox as an "awesome bar"? Is that like a spacebar, but it makes things awesome?

      It's the new address bar. It's supposed to have better autocomplete or something, and the drop-down displays the cached HTML title of the page in addition to the URL. I think it would be better named the "not-that-much-better-than-the-old-bar," but that's just me.

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    10. Re:Copy Firefox source code? by nine-times · · Score: 1

      Oh, wait, you mean it's really called the "awesome bar"? That's kind of retarded.

    11. Re:Copy Firefox source code? by DJNephilim · · Score: 1
      Easy, in the URL bar, type in about:config and find this:

      browser.urlbar.autoFill

      Change it's value to false by double clicking on it. There, now your 'awesome bar' is a regular URL bar.


      You're welcome.

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    12. Re:Copy Firefox source code? by Haeleth · · Score: 1

      No, it's called the "Smart Location Bar". "Awesomebar" is just a nickname.

    13. Re:Copy Firefox source code? by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      browser.urlbar.autoFill is already set to 'false', its the default setting Firefox comes as...

    14. Re:Copy Firefox source code? by DJNephilim · · Score: 1

      Ah, then it was

      accessibility.typeaheadfind.flashBar

      Set that to zero.

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    15. Re:Copy Firefox source code? by BitZtream · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Gecko is large and unwieldy compared to Webkit.

      You know, I keep hearing this, and I'm not arguing with it or anything, but I've been able to embed Gecko and all its glory into a couple windows apps of mine now. I've yet to find a complete documented example for embeding webkit into an app on windows.

      I'm certainly not saying they don't exist, its probably just that I'm searching for it the wrong way, but I'd really love to see someone point me at the 20-30 lines of code it should take to embed webkit into a simple window in Windows.

      Taking a quick look at my apps, I use 45 lines of code to embed gecko into an app, so please someone point me at a webkit example like this as I'd be more than happy to shed some Gecko weight.

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    16. Re:Copy Firefox source code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do it the QtWebKit way... of course, I'm already using Qt, so YMMV.

    17. Re:Copy Firefox source code? by Mana+Mana · · Score: 1

      ``It trails in many ways and seems like a far less agile project compared with Webkit and Opera.''

      References puleeze.

    18. Re:Copy Firefox source code? by terjeber · · Score: 1

      I think it would be better named the "not-that-much-better-than-the-old-bar,"

      It has some features I like. For example, you can type in any part of the URL and it will be listed. I had a bunch of different projects on my webserver, all with the same base url, but with the final part being different. server/junk/stuff/holy_cow.html, server/junk/stuff/holy_shit.html and so on. If I typed in "cow" or "shit" in the address bar the appropriate URL would be suggested. I found that to be kinda useful, but I guess it is an edge case :-)

    19. Re:Copy Firefox source code? by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      That doesn't seem to have any effect on the 'awesome bar' from what I can see - its still searching within page titles.

    20. Re:Copy Firefox source code? by iNaya · · Score: 1

      Nothing would keep them from doing that, and why should/shouldn't they? The whole purpose of FOSS is so that stuff like that CAN be done. Don't see why Google would bother, I like their bar better than the "Awesome Bar" anyhow. However, that's not enough to make me switch. I still use Firefox (mostly) ;-)

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    21. Re:Copy Firefox source code? by iNaya · · Score: 1

      "Smart Location Bar"... that's still a retarded name ;-)

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    22. Re:Copy Firefox source code? by iNaya · · Score: 1

      Nope, I think it's more than just an edge case... I use that feature all the time. Still not an excuse to call it an "Awesome Bar" though. Of course I'm assuming it's not an edge case because I use it, but then I might be an edge case, and you know what they say about crazy people.

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    23. Re:Copy Firefox source code? by pbhj · · Score: 1

      It's supposed to have better autocomplete or something, and the drop-down displays the cached HTML title of the page in addition to the URL.

      I had reservations about the "awesome bar" (yuck!) because I was entrenched in a different use pattern consistent with the older style address bar.

      Having the page title helps to choose the right page, better IMO. The search also uses some page text I think and so can match for pages with a poor title/url as long as you remember some of the content. The autocomplete enables the most often chosen items for a given string to bubble-up and so "d" takes me to digg but also to thedailywtf.

      So IMO it does have better autocomplete, once it has learnt your choices for your short strings so that "s" pops up slashdot before seomoz, etc..

    24. Re:Copy Firefox source code? by DJNephilim · · Score: 1
      Hmm..that's strange, because that's they way I have mine set and it is behaving like a normal url bar with regular old autocomplete on. None of this awesomebar nonesense.

      Aha...after some searching, found this:

      First, go to your Firefox settings by putting "about:config" into the location bar. Click past the warning message, and scroll down to browser.urlbar.maxRichResults. This sets how many recommendations the Awesome Bar will display -- it's 12 by default, but you want to change it to 0.

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    25. Re:Copy Firefox source code? by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      The problem with 'maxRichResults' is is that it also kills url matching, which is how pre-AwesomeBar url bars used to work - by setting it to zero, you turn off *any* matching, which is not what I want.

      I'm going to stop you right here - thankyou for the effort you have put in, but I have spent a lot of time looking for ways to get back the old URL bar functionality in Firefox, and believe me there is no way. None of the purported extensions do it, none of the about:config settings do it (even in conjunction with each other).

      The problem is is that the development team changed the underlying algorythm, and trying to tweak it to perform the old functionality is impossible - what we Awesome Bar haters are looking for is a way to revertthe algorythm to the old one. So far, Firefox developers have refused, so my main browser is no longer Firefox...

    26. Re:Copy Firefox source code? by DJNephilim · · Score: 1

      Ahh well, it was worth a shot. I've actually been moving slowly away from FF myself since 3 came out, but for different reasons. I didn't know they had changed the way the bar worked that much. . . bugger.

      Out of curiosity, what browser do you currently use?

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    27. Re:Copy Firefox source code? by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      An about equal mix of Chrome, Safari (on both OSX and Windows), and IE (for Sharepoint admin among other things), with a smaller mix of Firefox in there for compatibility reasons.

    28. Re:Copy Firefox source code? by owndao · · Score: 1
      Truly said. Because of Gecko Firefox (and all other Gecko-based browsers) cannot copy/paste styled text. This is a bug from many years back and one might think that WYSIWYG cut and paste would be a fundamental feature. I'm afraid that I have no faith in a company that lets such a flaw not only go unfixed but has had the audacity to insult many early reporters of this by not acknowledging the error.

      As for Chrome, its absence from Linux and OS X is laughable. I could have cobbled together a version of it for OS X by now. Google is either writing Windows-only spaghetti code or has a not-so-honorable reason for disallowing other OSs.

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  9. Adblock? by randyest · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I tried the first Chrome release and was duly impressed, especially for script speeds on "web 2.0" apps. But no adblock (and less importantlly, TabMix plus tab options) is a deal breaker. When Chrome does adblock I'm there.

    Note that Adblock really doesn't impact google's ads -- it primarily blocks graphical/flash crap ads, at least using the filtersets I subscribe to, so it wouldn't hurt google to allow it, and might even help them (absent other flashing "punch the monkey" and "abort the fetus" ads google's often-relevant text ads tend to stand out more.)

    Do it google! Let us bock ads and mix tabs!

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    1. Re:Adblock? by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That may be true but it might be a bit of a PR disaster if they release a browser which only blocks non-Google ads.

    2. Re:Adblock? by randyest · · Score: 1

      What if it only blocks graphical and flash ads? Is it google's fault if they're the only one providing relevant, non-intrusive text ads?

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    3. Re:Adblock? by Enderandrew · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It depends which filters the users decide to subscribe to. Google would only be allowing a plugin which provides a framework to use filters to block specific content.

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    4. Re:Adblock? by Goaway · · Score: 1

      They've stated that they are working on a plugin architecture, specifically mentioning ad blocking as one use.

    5. Re:Adblock? by hilather · · Score: 1

      One word:

      Anti-trust.

    6. Re:Adblock? by tux0r · · Score: 1

      Try Privoxy. A non-customised installation will kill most ads for about three minutes of work. If you then read some of the config info, creating custom filters is a cakewalk and voilà, you have an ad free Chrome.

      Helped me, hope it helps you...

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    7. Re:Adblock? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I recall, adblock allows its website automatically so its ads are displayed or has that changed or am I delusional?

    8. Re:Adblock? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Note that Adblock really doesn't impact google's ads -- it primarily blocks graphical/flash crap ads, at least using the filtersets

      Is this lie deliberate? In reality, the default (or the most prominently-positioned) filter lists DO block Google AdSense/AdWords servers.

  10. Pre-beta? by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

    Really??? Pre-beta? Why didn't they just stick with the perfectly good terms and call this type of thing a beta and the other stuff they call a Beta a Release?

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    1. Re:Pre-beta? by CannonballHead · · Score: 1

      Pre-beta isn't particularly new. There's been alphas and pre-betas and betas for a while.

    2. Re:Pre-beta? by Dan93 · · Score: 1

      Because, in theory, a x.0 release is bug free.

    3. Re:Pre-beta? by Goaway · · Score: 1

      Google is not calling this "pre-beta", they are calling it "2.0.156.1". Some random guy with a blog is calling it "pre-beta".

  11. Google Chrome for Linux! NOT! by Rick+Richardson · · Score: 5, Funny

    Blogger Belzecue said on January 8, 2009 10:55 PM PDT:
    Johnny Effyew here, lead strategist at Google.

    Now, I hear a lot of complaints -- a helluva lot of complaints, actually -- about Google not supporting Linux, like how Google Chrome runs on Windows only. Sure, we're already up to version 2 of the Windows client with no Linux version in sight. That may be technically true, but I'm here to tell you, we built our entire company and fortune on the back of Linux and free, open-source software. So of course we support Linux just as much as we support Windows.

    That's why it's my pleasure today to announce we've committed to delivering a native Linux Chrome client by 2015 or by the time the Windows client reaches version 10 or when Linux gains greater than 50% of the desktop market. That's our promise to every Linux user out there. You can take that to the bank. We know we have a moral debt to give back to the Linux community what we took from them and turned into a billion-dollar business. We know that.

    But, as it turns out, writing software for Linux is kinda tough. We're still figuring it out. I mean, we all use Windows around the Google office, so it's not like we've got a bunch of internal people clamoring to use Chrome under Ubuntu or whatever.

    And yes, we know there are much smaller companies out there like Dropbox who easily manage to code and release their Windows and Linux clients simultaneously, which is kinda like having your cake and eating it too. We think that's really cool, and we especially like cake. So that's doubly cool.

    So hang in there, Linux community. Google Chrome for Linux is coming. In the meantime, just keep screwing around trying to run the Windows client under Wine. Good luck with that, hahahaha. Yeah, that should keep you nice and busy while we eat more cake and polish off version 3 of the Chrome Windows client. (Whoah, did I just say that out loud or think it? Pfffft, like those Linux fanboys will notice anyway.)

    Folks, in closing let me say again: Google is committed to Linux the same way a tapeworm's committed to your lower intestine. From now on, when you think of Google and Linux I want you to think of me, Johnny. Think "Effyew, Linux! Effyew, Google!"

  12. Thanks for full-page zoom by El+Cabri · · Score: 1

    That's one of the main reason I didn't switch. The zoom implementation was useless, and I always use zoom to fill my widescreen monitor.

    Unfortunately I also don't like very much the "single address and search box" concept, but maybe I can get used to that after all so I guess I'm going to give it another try.

  13. Chrome is developing fast by viljun · · Score: 1

    It's so easy to be pessimistic. The first version was quite good and innovative to be the first version. And it has been developing very well since then.

    Speed, screen estate saving etc are very important things. If chrome also manages to keep memory footprint relatively small as it grows & adds features more people will be converted. ... and of course we first need the native linux version.

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  14. Greasemonkey by c.r.o.c.o · · Score: 1

    This was the one reason I never tried Chrome. I play a lot of Travian http://travian.com/ and there are a few Greasemonkey scripts (Travian Mod Kit and Beyond Travian) without which the game would be unbearable for serious players. On large accounts with 20+ villages, those scripts save hundreds of page loads.

    I'll still wait until Chrome 2 reaches at least Beta status though. Regardless of who releases the software, I'm not in the mood to try Alpha software.

  15. Re:Because FF codebase is complete shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    All that vitriol, and Firefox is still the best browser on the market. That must really burn your ass.

  16. Google Chrome? I will not bite...yet by bogaboga · · Score: 1

    Reasons being: -

    1: I miss my extensions especially the weather extension.

    2: My school and bank do not allow anything other than Firefox and IE. Firefox has just been supported for a year.

    3: I do not want to learn another [Google] paradigm of doing things on the browser.

    4: I am contented with the two choices available to me as of now.

    1. Re:Google Chrome? I will not bite...yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd swap now if there was 3 additions.

      1. Adblock!
      2. Adblock!
      3. Adblock!

      Just can't get used to all those flash ads, but I still want flash for google maps street view etc.

    2. Re:Google Chrome? I will not bite...yet by Enderandrew · · Score: 2, Insightful

      With a User Agent switcher, your school and bank's website would likely work just fine.

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    3. Re:Google Chrome? I will not bite...yet by nschubach · · Score: 1

      That's alright, the proxy at my work has the Chrome home page blocked.

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  17. Firefox Devs Are The Problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    I remember trying to get into coding with Firefox and it ended up being a nightmare and just not worth the effort mess. And the times I've come across Firefox devs in forums they really came across as outright pricks.

    Everyone remembers of course having to listen to Firefox devs sitting around in Slashdot stories about the horrible Firefox memory leaks ripping into people with the 'it's not a memory leak, it's a feature' bullshit.

    Google's code is of incredible quality from what I've seen so far. And it is incredibly easy to get in and start working on the project. And the Google engineers have shown themselves to be both brilliant and friendly. So far nothing but positive impressions.

  18. BSD ? by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    Are they supporting the BSDs yet?

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  19. Still No Adblock by rshol · · Score: 2, Informative

    I don't run browsers that can't run adblock or similar. Thanks though.

  20. Re:Google Chrome for Linux! NOT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    or when Linux gains greater than 50% of the desktop market.

    Fortunately, 2009 is the year of Linux on the desktop.

  21. tabs still on window... by argent · · Score: 1

    Let me attach the tabs to the top of the pane (the part that actually changes when you select a different tab) instead of the window (no, the location bar doesn't change, its content does... but so does the title bar's and that's still above the tabs).

  22. Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But it is all somewhat meaningless, whether Chrome passes ACID3 or not, since Chrome is meant to support a company that sells advertising.

    I'm guessing that Chrome will never have AdBlock Plus and NoScript.

    It's all about control. Firefox allows you to control what you read. Many advertising companies try to change readers into time-wasting, ad-reading, money-wasting robots.

    Those who don't like being the target of aggressive behavior and want control over their lives will need to continue to use Firefox, no matter how technically superior Chrome is.

    1. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by dingo8baby · · Score: 1

      that is a very astute point. I love google, as a company, but i hate advertising. As much as i would love to use everything google offers, blocking annoying and intrusive advertising is a high priority to me. Le Sigh.

    2. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Those who don't like being the target of aggressive behavior and want control over their lives will need to continue to use Firefox, no matter how technically superior Chrome is.

      Alternatively, you could use a proxy outside of Chrome (I assume it has proxy support) to strip out all the ads.

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    3. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by backdoc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You make a good point. But, it's not ads per se that are so evil. If ads are done right, they aren't annoying. Look at Google's home page vs. Yahoo's. Google has a history of developing clean unobtrusive interfaces. I wouldn't be too surprised if Google let you install AdBlock or some other ways made browsing tolerable. I have hope.

    4. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by moderatorrater · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm guessing that Chrome will never have AdBlock Plus and NoScript.

      You can still use external things like a hosts file to make sure you don't get ads. Besides, there's a strong argument to be made that most people don't use adblock in the first place, and that its use is immoral.

      It's all about control. Firefox allows you to control what you read.

      And Chrome is open source, allowing anyone to use and control it that wants to as long as they play by the same rules that Google does. If they hadn't open sourced Chrome, I would agree with you. As it is, I believe Google when they say that they want to push the browser market in the direction of supporting better web apps. Google Docs, GMail, and Google Maps all have deficiencies arising from the shortcomings of browsers in general. Google's struggling to find revenue sources outside of advertising and they've chosen to stick to the web to do it (a good choice IMHO). Your diatribe against advertising is all well and good, but their behavior with Chrome just doesn't support it.

    5. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by jez9999 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So you just want everything for free, right? Google are supposed to eat air or something, and have nothing to work with, because you won't accept their main source of revenue?

      Seriously, can't you people think for a second of consequences?

    6. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find myself wondering the same thing. Just earlier (and not long at that) I posted this some question with a bit longer explanation in the Roland story. I would be very interested to see someone answer it. There or to this thread

      (Also note that one AC reply to that is mine, had to add one paragraph to not be misinterpreted as asking "What is wrong with plagiarism")

    7. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by Fri13 · · Score: 1

      What if Chrome will get a Adblock bonus what blocks all other ads than Google's? Well... then Google is on monopoly trial by Microsoft, Opera and Mozilla.

    8. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by MrNaz · · Score: 1

      Yea, because that's so much easier than running Adblock.

      Screw the flyswatter, I want my cannon!

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    9. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by SleepingWaterBear · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So you just want everything for free, right? Google are supposed to eat air or something, and have nothing to work with, because you won't accept their main source of revenue?

      Nonsense. I'm happy with Google making money off advertising as long as I'm not the one being advertised at. But if a browser doesn't let me avoid the adds, I won't use it.

      More generally, I'm really quite grateful to all the consumers out there willing to spend vast quantities of money on things that don't make their lives noticeably better. The surplus from their spending benefits me through websites like Google, and in countless other ways. Also, since they spend so much, they have to work more, and other people working more is clearly of benefit to me. Without the American consumer my life would be much less pleasant.

    10. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by tsalaroth · · Score: 1, Informative

      WTF? Why is this modded Troll? Go ahead and mod me Troll for this, I'm just speaking up because I see NOTHING trollish about this.

    11. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by LordSnooty · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So you just want everything for free, right?

      Why assume that? I might pay for a Google search at a rate I found acceptable, like 1p a search, if it meant I wasn't exposed to ads (and if the results were better too, but that's by the by). Having said that I personally don't find the Google ads intrusive, and I don't block them. But they'd better understand that I will never click on a Google ad because I prefer to research products and suppliers myself, and hopefully find a reputable opinion to guide me rather than whoever can buy the best keywords.

      Is it against the T&Cs to use the site but vow never to click on an ad? If not, how can using ad-blocking software be wrong? I choose to ignore the messages regardless.

    12. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're an idiot, go have a look at the extensions planning, one of the plugins mentioned WAS Adblock.

      So, what was that you were blabbering about? Just tried to get another +X Insightful by trying to sound smart?
      WOOPS, forgot i'm on Slashdot... in before -1 Troll.

    13. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not disagreeing, but if you happen to have a cannon, then you don't need a flyswatter.

    14. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by Smauler · · Score: 1

      Wait.... what? You love google, but hate advertising? Google is by far the biggest advertiser on the web, you know that, right? That's how they've made their billions. With adverts. Google is a company which is more based on advertising than almost any other - It is an advertisment funded company.

    15. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So you're saying you're cool with everyone subsidizing your access to google stuff by ignoring the ads. Really just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. I mean what if everyone developed your mentality and decided "Well i'm ok with using Google products for free but no taking the advertising with it". I mean c'mon Google ads (so far) are the least intrusive ads I have really ever seen. I mean have you see the state of Yahoo email or even MSN's mail portal? It's one thing to swear off Google stuff if you aren't cool with the ads but there is no such thing as a free lunch. If you want to use gmail without the ads i'd suggest maybe paying for their google apps although I am not sure if they have ads or not. If it bothers you that much just pay another provider with straight POP/IMAP or run your own mail server.

    16. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by homer_s · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm really quite grateful to all the consumers out there willing to spend vast quantities of money on things that don't make their lives noticeably better.

      Yeah, wish we were all smart like you.
      I mean, I listened to an on the radio, contacted the company and saved my company about 60K in HR expenses - if I were as smart as you, maybe I would've skipped the ad.

    17. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by infinityxi · · Score: 1

      Well I think the solution is for a 3rd party to write the ad block software. I mean if there is enough of a demand I am sure someone will write it in. I don't think Google should bother with writing it themselves as it is firefox's strength that plug-ins can be written by someone non-affiliated with them and as such is out of the control of Firefox. Google Chrome is also open source, which means, if Google were to do something such as intentionally cripple the Adblock when it pertains to google's ads someone could just fork Chrome or just ditch it. It isn't the most elegant solution but with the browser market having so many alternatives these days, why would Google risk something like that?

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    18. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by LingNoi · · Score: 1

      If it were about control Chrome would be closed source. Get a better point next time, Google developers just suck at making a plugin manager like firefox, that's all.

    19. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by Smauler · · Score: 1

      I'm always absolutely astonished at people who think they are not being advertised at. They often use "high end" products all the time, without even knowing it. They think that others are buying loads of useless crap advertised towards morons to fund this. They are often wrong

      Have a look at the broken window fallacy, if you really can't figure out why useless endeavour is actually useless.

    20. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nonsense. I'm happy with Google making money off advertising as long as I'm not the one being advertised at. But if a browser doesn't let me avoid the adds, I won't use it.

      We're talking about Ad-Block Plus here. Essentially, you want a browser that will let you strip out the revenue-generating portion of all of the websites that you visit.

      You put it in happy terms, but there is something kind of dirty about that. It's like only visiting museums with a suggested donation, and then insulting the suckers who actually donate. Or in this case, you're not willing to have a tiny bar at the top of the websites that you visit, to fund the continued existence of the websites that you visit.

      If you're not going to buy something, don't buy something. If you don't like advertising, spend time on portions of the internet that aren't funded by advertising. But don't just get all high-and-mighty about how advertising is for suckers, while posting to a site that wouldn't exist without it with a browser that wouldn't exist without it.

    21. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by cgenman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      (Post mysteriously disappeared the first time)

      Nonsense. I'm happy with Google making money off advertising as long as I'm not the one being advertised at. But if a browser doesn't let me avoid the adds, I won't use it.

      We're talking about Ad-Block Plus here. Essentially, you want a browser that will let you strip out the revenue-generating portion of all of the websites that you visit.

      You put it in happy terms, but there is something kind of dirty about that. It's like only visiting museums with a suggested donation, and then insulting the suckers who actually donate. Or in this case, you're not willing to have a tiny bar at the top of the websites that you visit, to fund the continued existence of the websites that you visit.

      If you're not going to buy something, don't buy something. If you don't like advertising, spend time on portions of the internet that aren't funded by advertising. But don't just get all high-and-mighty about how advertising is for suckers, while posting to a site that wouldn't exist without it with a browser that wouldn't exist without it.

    22. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by Quarters · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "...and that its use is immoral."

      Using AdBlock is as immoral as going to the bathroom during commercial breaks, thumbing through magazines in a bookstore without buying them, and not reading billboards as you drive by. Unless you have agreed to view ads as part of some subscription service then you don't have to look at them. I pay for my internet connection and I own my computer. I have every right to control what does and doesn't come down my connection and get displayed on my monitor.

    23. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      As my full time job I write fake blog entries. I do a bit of other stuff too but that takes most of the time. There are about four dozen blogs I take care of myself, posting one to two entries to each every week. They are mostly reviews of products, services, etc... Though not all, it can't become too clear what the true purpose of those blogs it.

      It becomes bad when you realize how many people actually read what you write and take it all as the truth. When single parent mothers comment my blog about family life (thinking I am a father of two young boys) and not realizing that they were recommended all those products because I am paid to recommend them sometimes sucks.

      However, I am happy I haven't investing related blogs as a colleague of mine has. "The most horrible thing is when they email me asking how to best finally invest all the money they have been saving for years and I would just like to answer 'I don't have any idea about it.' but instead I give them advice that pretty certainly makes them lose it all."

      Well, believe it or not, I still sleep my nights peacefully. You can also choose whether to believe my post or not. Which ever you choose, just remember that not nearly all of the reviews you see online are honest and the most honest ads you are ever likely to see are the clear and annoying ones that you instantly recognize.

    24. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So you just want everything for free, right? Google are supposed to eat air or something, and have nothing to work with, because you won't accept their main source of revenue?

      Seriously, can't you people think for a second of consequences?

      There are CNN.com pages set to auto-refresh faster than my modem can download them and that is with adblock. Third party sites are a MAJOR source of drive-by infestations, scams, etc. Flash does not respect my browser's zero animations setting. What of cookies that do not expire (and store *their* data on *your* drive) and advertiser networks that profile your behavior? The people not thinking for a second of the conseqences think that if 1 add is worth $0.001 that 10 adds will be worth $.010. The reality is the more ("you tighten your grip...") crap you put up there, the less I can see even if I want to look. There is no contract, neither implied nor social and fuck-certainly not formal, that says I must look at the ads because your medium is "ad supported". Newspapers don't suggest this crap. They know if you are looking for a car, you'll be all over the auto section pages. Otherwise, the fuck if they care.

      You know about the weak-ass protections in the CAN-SPAM act? The DMA wants the unsubscribe requests to expire in two years. There is no punishment too harsh for scum-sucking motherfucker advertisers.... as a whole, at least.

      I would be HAPPY and I would LOVE IT if you website owners could develop an ad-block block (not let me load a page if running ad-block). Because this would increase the demand for websites not run by assholes. This won't be an arms race at all! I will surrender! I will never visit your motherfucking pages again.

    25. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by SleepingWaterBear · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I mean what if everyone developed your mentality and decided "Well i'm ok with using Google products for free but no taking the advertising with it".

      If people as a whole had the same mentality as I do, Google's business model would of course be completely broken: I once clicked a Google add by mistake, and every now and then I notice them and read them to get a sense of what Google's database knows about me, but basically I ignore them. In that case, presumably people would be spending their money on things which actually make lives better instead of this advertising driven consumerism, and this would include donating to useful free services like Google. I'd donate to Google myself if they needed it. This is a silly fantasy though, since people don't think that way, and show no signs of doing so any time soon.

      I'm grateful that at least some of the excesses of consumerism go to things that are good and useful. I don't, however, see that I have any moral obligation to help prop up system that I don't like, and I see no problem at all with taking the benefits that the system gives freely.

    26. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by SleepingWaterBear · · Score: 1

      Well, you're right that people are often more affected by advertising than they think, and probably I am too. That said, I buy all my clothes at Goodwill, choose my food and cleaning supplies based on convenience and the cheapest unit price (rarely getting brand names as a result), and really just don't buy much of anything else, so it's hard to see how the advertisers are making money off of me.

      You are of course entirely right about the broken window fallacy. I was aiming for sarcasm, but apparently didn't telegraph it right.

    27. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. That's why I've been looking at another WebKit browser called SRWare Iron.

      (http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron.php)

    28. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      is my irony detector broken or what? You almost sound serious.

    29. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1

      We heard you the second time.

    30. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Yeah, wish we were all smart like you.

      I mean, I listened to an on the radio, contacted the company and saved my company about 60K in HR expenses - if I were as smart as you, maybe I would've skipped the ad.

      So you outsourced an HR job and now you are a legend!

    31. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by icebraining · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you depend on the luck of listening to one radio ad to save 60k your doing something wrong.

    32. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I listened to an on the radio... maybe I would've skipped the ad.

      You certainly skipped something there.

    33. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by LordSnooty · · Score: 1

      I was thinking forums, but never mind. Also I believe you because no-one would go to the trouble of posting that otherwise.

      Remember I said "reputable"

    34. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by dingo8baby · · Score: 1

      Look, I'll let the 50-60% of uneducated internet users out there that still use Internet Explorer as their main browser give them all the ad revenue they can handle. The majority of people are sheep and can be advertised to death. I never said people shouldn't use Chrome, i was merely agreeing with the poster who, like me, has no tolerance for advertising (or at least the advertising on the internet). I never said they should stop making money off of the idiot majority, they just won't make any money of me from advertising.

    35. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by AaronLawrence · · Score: 1

      LOL! You lie for a living and still justify it that the suckers who believe it can choose not to!
      Sorry sir, you're just a scammer like all the other low-lifes out there, who also typically justify themselves that the people who fall for it are too stupid and deserve to be ripped off.

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    36. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      Judging by the additude and tone, I'd eager your life isn't that pleasent already, otherwise you'd probably be out enjoying that life rather than bragging about taking advantage of others while you sit home alone on a Friday night.

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    37. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FUD. As soon as Google releases an add on platform, the first thing your going to see is ABP. It's an open source project, it's not exactly like they are going to shoot their self in the foot and *not* make an add-on platform, just so ads can't be blocked. On the same page they aren't exactly going to be able to veto the creation of an ABP-style plugin.

      Google has also supported FF for a long time, which utilises it only as a plugin. I don't see why people are screaming bloody Sunday when the notion of having an adblocker for Chrome is brought up.

    38. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I hope you're not being a hypocrite by using a spam filter. You had better be reading each and every one emails and assessing the potential benefits of buying fake Viagara and helping Nigerian princes.

    39. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I love your anecdotal evidence. Not sure if I'd love it as your boss, management by ad incentive. A bit shallow don't you think? I don't buy a fridge because I see an ad. If I need one, I'll compare the best rated ones on the web and decide. You should decide what you want, not the other way round. Yes that's smart. Maybe you lost 60K on an even better choice.

    40. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by dookiesan · · Score: 1
      I never click on ads either, but I found myself clicking on Google ads. They are very smart.

      I search for "amazon blu ray" because I want to buy a blu ray player on amazon.com. In my opinion amazon.com requires no advertising when a query asks specifically for them. The top hit is the relevant page on amazon.com. However, I automatically click on the ad instead because it's equally relevant and it sits higher on the page.

      Maybe if Amazon hadn't paid for that ad, a competitor would have and the sale would be stolen some small percentage of the time. If that chance is small, then companies are paying for a lot clicks they would have had for free. Regardless, I've clicked on many google ads without even realizing what I had done.

    41. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by Threni · · Score: 1

      > Besides, there's a strong argument to be made that most people don't use adblock in the first place, and that its use is immoral.

      LOL! Uh, I mean, yeah, it certainly is yet to be made. I'm waiting. Until then, I'll continue to choose what appears on my monitor.

    42. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by lysergic.acid · · Score: 5, Interesting

      that's an overly simplistic view of advertising.

      it's true that most internet ads are hyperlinks to sites where you can directly purchase a product or service. but advertising has been in use long before the advent of the web. the primary purpose of an ad is to promote a product through increased exposure/visibility. a billboard doesn't sell you a product or service directly; you can't click on magazine or newspaper ads; nor do TV commercials take you to a retailer where you can purchase the advertised product. but companies still spend billions of dollars every year on marketing and advertising to passively promote their products. a superbowl ad that won't result in any click-through sales is still worth far more money than a linked banner ad that actually takes people to a retail site. that's because advertising/marketing is all about mind share & branding. it's about influencing consumers subconsciously.

      advertising is a form of passive persuasion. we're bombarded with ads everyday, and most people claim that this has absolutely no effect on them. but the numbers tell a completely different story. that's what makes advertising so insidious. it has practically become a science that can influence consumers in consistently predictable ways by exploiting known psychological quirks and human behavioral patterns. yet this unconscious influence makes us think that we're the ones who are choosing to buy this product or use that service. free will is just an illusion. oftentimes we make subconscious decisions due to external influences and then rationalize the decision only after the choice has been made, giving us the impression that it was a spontaneous choice made autonomously. this is demonstrated most clearly in a study conducted on the effect that music has on wine shoppers.

      basically, some researchers played different types of music at a supermarket on different days and found that this had a noticeable influence on the purchase decisions of the wine shoppers--French music sold French wine and German music sold German wine. despite the indisputable statistical correlation, only 1 in 44 surveyed customers acknowledged the store's ambient music as having an influence on their wine choice. this shows that people often fail to realize why they make their purchases, and will even make up reasons for "choosing" a particular product when in reality it was chosen for them by external influences.

      so it's not just clickthroughs that advertisers are after. even if nobody clicks on the ads on a webpage, they are still fulfilling their purpose and influencing future purchase decisions. no one is immune to advertising, and especially not if you don't even recognize the power they have over you. time and time again studies have shown that consumers make purchase decisions based on irrational impulses instilled through advertising--like equating large vehicles to safety, or purchasing familiar brands that are a poorer value.

    43. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by mstroeck · · Score: 1

      I agree. Grandparent is a fucking lying asshole, no matter how you look at it.

    44. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by mstroeck · · Score: 2, Insightful

      First of all: You are freeloading, which is kind of cheap. Secondly, advertising != mindless consumerism. Advertising is a (heavily biased, which can be useful) source of information that fulfills a useful function in many cases,

      You know what the thing is about Google's ads? They are very, very smart - which is pretty much the only reason why they can make billions of dollars with tiny text ads. Sometimes I'm looking for something out of the ordinary that has to be bought at a store, not fashioned from the intestines of my domesticated animals. (I'm sure you hardly ever experience that predicament). Google's ads usually take me to a reputable place immediately.

      Unless you absolutely always know exactly what you are looking for at any given time, you are sure to learn something by looking at their ads.

      I have a paid Google Apps email account, but keep ads turned on because they often deliver interesting tidbits of information (mostly on competitors and other stuff that my work-mail is about) that I wouldn't actively have gone looking for.

      And dude, sorry to break it to you, but you are a fucking consumer as well.

    45. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by mstroeck · · Score: 1

      Look, it's simple.

      It's like a guy that delivers donuts to your office and simply leaves a tip jar, saying you can pay as much as you think the donuts are worth. If you take a donut, like it, plan to take one again tomorrow, and DON'T leave some money, you're a flaming asshole.

      The same logic applies to looking/not looking at online advertising, especially when it's done as well as Google's text ads.

    46. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by rdnetto · · Score: 1

      It looks like you forgot that Chrome (or Chromium) is open source, meaning that anyone who wants to can integrate AdBlock Plus and NoScript (which wouldn't affect Google, since all their ads are text-based) into Chrome if they want to.
      Of course, its only a matter of time before they release support for plugins (that's going to be their killer feature when they get round to it), and then all this will be redundant. After all, Google is no Apple.

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    47. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 1

      I disable AdBlock on sites I like and want to support, but I still don't see any ads because I won't allow Javascript.

    48. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by Garwulf · · Score: 1

      "You are not only wrong, you are also an idiot. 'Rights' have nothing to do with this and people who use the word 'rights' in discussions like this need their rights stripped away for improper use of the word to garner a reaction. While is great that you pay for your internet connection and you own your computer, I'd be willing to bet you think every website should give you service for free with nothing in return. I guess I don't have to bet, you certainly feel that way from your post."

      I didn't read his post that way - in fact, he used the word "right" quite properly. And he does have the right to control his own property, including what goes onto his computer - that's basic property rights, written into the American Constitution at the very least.

      I'm truly amazed by how many people think that the right to free speech includes the right to an audience. It never has. And that includes advertising too. You can advertise something all you like - you have that right - but nobody has an obligation to listen. And they have the right to tune it out, or block it, if they so choose. There is nothing arrogant or stupid about pointing that out - it's just the plain and simple truth.

      (And by the way, there are plenty of ways for a website to support itself outside of advertising - an online store or a subscription service, or even a request for donations all come to mind.)

      --
      Robert B. Marks
      Author, Demonsbane in Diablo Archive
    49. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      Essentially, you want a browser that will let you strip out the revenue-generating portion of all of the websites that you visit.

      Actually, the irony is, my using AdBlock is actually *better* for these websites. Why? Well, first off, understand that I have *never EVER* purchased an item based on noticing an ad on a website. And I can tell you flat out that I never would. Ever. I simply don't buy products that way.

      So, given I will never respond to an online ad, which is better: Downloading ads and wasting the bandwidth of the website I'm using, bandwidth that costs money, just so I can ignore them, or using an adblocking tool so that the ads are never downloaded in the first place?

    50. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by coopaq · · Score: 1

      Dude! I think your are saying what most people are thinking. However, you will immediately get attacked for speaking the truth. We are still in strange times when truth scares the hell out of people.

      Of course nobody clicks the ads and loves free services, but... shhhhh.

    51. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Somebody mod this clown down.

    52. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by terjeber · · Score: 1

      I'm truly amazed by how many people think that the right to free speech includes the right to an audience.

      I don't see how this can be surprising, most people, including most /.ers, are idiots. They refuse to think. Most of them thinks that one opinion has as much value as another, whilst the reality is that most opinions people have are certifiable rubbish. Hell, we even have a President in the US who thinks that if he believes in something strongly enough it will be so, or even it is so, irrespective of reality.

      As someone said, using an ad-blocker is exactly like going to the toilet, or to the kitchen for another beer, or turning to talk to your kids during a commercial break. I wonder if these idiots think that the mute button on my remote is as bad as ad-blocking software? I use my DVR to record most of what I watch, time-shifting is great. I wonder if these idiots thinks that I am behaving in a morally comprehensible manner when I fast-forward through the ads.

    53. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The day when I can click a link without my speakers screaming "YOU'VE WON A FREE IPOD", I'll gladly disable ABP.

    54. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by idlemachine · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing that Chrome will never have AdBlock Plus and NoScript.

      That's a common but incorrect belief, at least according to this official design doc (emphasis mine):

      The following lists some types of extensions that we'd like to eventually support:

      * Bookmarking/navigation tools
      * Content enhancements
      * Content filtering: Adblock, Flashblock, Privacy control, Parental control
      * [...]

    55. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by iNaya · · Score: 1

      I agree, and s/he's obviously guilt tripping about it. GP: please find a new way of making money, at least don't mislead young parents...

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    56. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by iNaya · · Score: 1

      It makes sense to me. I hate advertising, but that's mainly because it gets in my way, slows me down, or distracts me, among other things. Google's ads don't do that to me, that I have noticed, and I've never had a personal problem with Google's advertising.

      So I will say with certainty that I hate advertising and love Google (and don't hate their advertising. It's a matter of degree.

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    57. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by Threni · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > It's like a guy that delivers donuts to your office and simply leaves a tip jar, saying you can pay as much as you think the donuts are worth. If you take a donut, like
      > it, plan to take one again tomorrow, and DON'T leave some money, you're a flaming asshole.

      No, it's like a guy who brings donuts that you don't want, and keeps leaving little pieces of paper advertising his donuts, and you say you're never going to buy donuts because you have some sort of intolerance with one of the ingredients, and he says 'well, i'll leave the leaflets anyway' and you say 'no, really, i'm never going to buy one' but he insists on leaving them.

      Leaflet or not, I'm never going to buy a donut.

    58. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by Impeesa · · Score: 1

      Luck? Spotting and acting on opportunities is more of what you'd call a 'skill', and a valuable one at that.

    59. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing that Chrome will never have AdBlock Plus and NoScript.

      It has greasemonkey, so there is no reason you can't implement both yourself, especially NoScript, which does not need to be anywhere near as complicated and huge as it is.

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    60. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "It's like only visiting museums with a suggested donation, and then insulting the suckers who actually donate."

      No it's not. In order for the website to get paid for displaying the advert you need to click through on one of their adverts and then buy a product. That money then makes its way back to the website you view in a roundabout way. Just looking at the ad's on your screen does not magically generate revenue. Now I don't know about you, but i've never done that, so I switch the adverts off with adblock because they're pretty fucking annoying. Instead, I prefer supporting the site directly by buying their merch. For example I own some penny arcade tshirts and a purepwnage hat.

    61. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by aussie_a · · Score: 1

      Sounds like you've got malware. Because I know my speakers never say that.

    62. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by aussie_a · · Score: 1

      Actually I consider it on par with going into a donation-funded museum and deciding not to make a donation.

      Sure, you can do it. But it aint being a good citizen to do it.

    63. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure you always look at all the ads in the airport, because your flight ticket is cheaper because of that --- or on the road while you're driving, because the companies make money from it, which results in taxes, which enables the state building the road.

      If you ignore the ads, you do the same. If someone would come up with adblock technology for the real world, it would be a killer product!

      Also, I'm sure you run Windows and leave all the original adware installed by, for instance, Dell on the drive, because that makes your computer cheaper.

      If you delete the software you do the same as blocking ads. If you run Linux, then you 'abuse' the original intention of selling targeted ads to you via the desktop software.

    64. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by aussie_a · · Score: 1

      If you don't want the "donuts" don't click on the damn link. Because in this analogy the donate is the website you have visited. While the tip jar is the advertising that supports the website.

    65. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by drinkypoo · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I mean, I listened to an on the radio, contacted the company and saved my company about 60K in HR expenses - if I were as smart as you, maybe I would've skipped the ad.

      If you outsourced to another country, I hope you get Ebola and die.

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      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    66. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by smoker2 · · Score: 1

      And advertising in general doesn't mislead young parents ?

      Which world do you live in ?
      In this world, advertising is mostly the art of convincing someone to buy something they don't need, and had never thought of needing. Take any ad by JML for instance.

      Besides which, anybody who puts advertising on their site is "hoping" that enough people will click through to provide an income stream. Nobody is forced to click an ad, in fact asking your customers to do so is against the T&C of most ad companies.
      So how is my blocking an ad which they can't force me to click on immoral ? I'm simply not interested in buying so why look at the ad in the first place ? Blocking it is the most humane way of avoiding ads because I save bandwidth for both parties.

      I'm getting heartily sick of these shills who believe that the almighty corporations should have complete sway over what I do and think, and that avoiding their messages is akin to treason. Building a website that relies on ads to support it is fishing, plain and simple. Would it get done without the ads ? Unlikely. This is why there are so many typo-squatters set up as link farms. At least they're honest about what they're doing.

      Anybody who has a site with good content and then relies on ads for other corporations products to support it is just cheap. Either charge for access, sell your own goods, or just leave the ads out. If you can't do any of those, then just don't bother. It's not like you have anything original to offer anyway.
      Now if it were more like the newspaper model, where the ad space is paid for up front, I could accept that. At least the money is being used to support the content. Just plastering the pages with ads when you have no way of knowing what the returns are going to be, smacks of desperation.

    67. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by iNaya · · Score: 1

      What are you talking about? I was talking about the GP who LIES upfront saying he is a parent, recommending things, when he has no idea what he's talking about.

      Also I don't really like advertising in general when it is factually incorrect. That is even supposed to be illegal, not that trade commissions such as the FCC pay much attention to policing it. And just because someone else does something doesn't make something else right.

      I have no problem with advertising that is truthful, honest, and targeted. I have problems with straight up lying, misrepresentation, and things that distract me.

      Just because advertising "in general" misleads young parents doesn't make it right for any one person to mislead. That's a common type of argument that's made, and one of the most stupidly pathetic.

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    68. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by iJusten · · Score: 1

      I mean what if everyone developed your mentality and decided..

      If everybody developed my mentality, USA would have multiparty system, tea and cocoa would be commonly offered instead of coffee and copyright/trademark-system would look completely different.

      The fact that I'm (we are) usually in minority with my (our) views doesn't mean they are wrong. Nobody ever says to me "well, if everybody had your mentality and decided not to vote [your local populist party, like Republicans and Democrats] then we wouldn't [be in Iraq/spy Finland/save every email sent in UK]. But we are in minority and majority will never protest against Echelon, Swedish FRA, patents or whatever we usually gripe about in Slashdot.

      So let the guy use Google without watching ads.

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    69. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed. I don't know if you get them where you live, but Derren Brown's shows are always entertaining. He's an illusionist who (amongst other things) predicts what people are going to do or say by priming their subconsciouses (plural?) in advance. Much like your French/German wine example. And he's very good at it. Which makes me think we are far more automatous than most of us like to believe.

    70. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by Raenex · · Score: 1

      I don't see why you are ok with the newspaper ad model, but not with the online ad model. A lot of people do stuff in the hope of making money, but don't know if it will. If the ads work, then it supports more content. If the ads don't, then maybe the content stops getting produced. That's the way the economy works.

    71. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      jesus fucking christ. once upon a time, slashdot was home of those above the scammers and advertisers. now it's home to faggots who just want to submit to those fuckers. die motherfucker die

    72. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by blank · · Score: 1

      What are the two options here? Have the ads so they'll get funded so they can pay for bandwidth or not have ads so they can kiss that revenue good-bye?

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      bah. start over

    73. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      Have the ads so they'll get funded

      Hey, websites don't magically get money because I download the ads. They get paid for clickthroughs. So if I will never click through an ad, then my downloading them is a waste of bandwidth, and therefore dollars.

      How is this difficult to understand?

    74. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      Oh noes! A company that allows companies to advertise! How dare they support open source, and give away their software for free?

      I'm guessing that Chrome will never have AdBlock Plus and NoScript.

      Evidence please?

      For heaven's sake. I'm no fan of adverts either, but Google ads are the most unintrusive adverts I've seen. What are you doing reading Slashdot, which has far more annoying adverts on the page? (Yes, you probably block them - but the point is that Slashdot still "supports" advertising, and your argument seems to be about opposing Google's free releases based on ideological reasons.)

      Do you not use Google for search OOI? What do you recommend instead - is Altavista still around?

    75. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      subconsciouses (plural?)

      The proper Slashdotese is "subconscii".

    76. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But don't just get all high-and-mighty about how advertising is for suckers, while posting to a site that wouldn't exist without it with a browser that wouldn't exist without it.

      Absolutely. And it's probably worth noting: 88% of Mozilla revenue [PDF 62kB] comes from those ads.

    77. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by cgenman · · Score: 1

      Actually, many do. Google's AdSense pays per click or per impression. Even on websites that are being paid a flat rate, that impression makes it more likely that advertisers will return.

      And you don't think the website host serves the ad, do you? How do think your browser extension is blocking them?

    78. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you can still sleep at night, you are a sociopath. Hopefully, they'll lock you up before you kill someone.

    79. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by Quarters · · Score: 1

      Your museum donation analogy is flawed, as you have incurred zero upfront costs to enter that museum. As I said in my original post I'm paying full fee for my internet connection and I do not own an advertising subsidized computer. The contract between the ad placment company and the web page I am viewing does not financially benefit me. Therefore I am under no obligation to view those advertisements.

    80. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by atraintocry · · Score: 1

      But it is all somewhat meaningless, whether Chrome passes ACID3 or not, since Chrome is meant to support a company that sells advertising.

      One really doesn't have to do with the other, unless you've uncovered some secret plot by doubleclick to subvert the W3C.

      It's open source. The are already builds that block ads. Google even said that they'd like to support plugins, and that they wouldn't ban ad-blockers. And if they did, you can use an alternative build.

    81. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by Ihmhi · · Score: 2, Funny

      I mean have you see the state of Yahoo email or even MSN's mail portal?

      No, I have adblock.

      But on the occasional times that I *have* seen it (other people's computers)... I mean, geez... giant, like, 320 x 240 animated flash ads smack in the center of the page. Guh.

    82. Re:Chrome supports a company that sells ads. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know I didn't start using adblock until every site out there started using moving ad's. My eyes are attracted to the motion (Hey that's why they do it) and I have a very hard time reading the site.

      Basicly the ad's they (The average web site) have chosen to use reduced the value of their content to 0 because I could not read it. I am sure most people do not have as much of a problem with this as I do. But I DO!

      So until web sites realize that yanking my eyes to the side of the page every 5sec is going to make me not want to use their site... I will continue to use things like adblock.

      Next your going to tell us to stop using pop-up blockers.

  23. Autocomplete isn't dumb by an.echte.trilingue · · Score: 4, Informative

    Form autocomplete? It's about time. Not that I like the feature anyway, it's too dumb. 90% of the time it doesn't offer any suggestion (wild guess, if a web site asks for my name, maybe my browser might know the answer). The rest of the time (10%), it has a fifty-fifty chance of guessing right.

    The auto complete isn't guessing. The reason that it doesn't always know your name is because different web sites give the fields with more or less the same meaning different names (name as in html attribute, not as in the label). They do this because the web front end reflects whatever backend that the site runs on.

    As a web developer, you might want somebody's first name and last name separately, (for example, if you have to check a cc number against it) in which case you would use a two fields like this:
    Name:<input type="text" name="firstname" /><input type="text" name="lastname" />

    Or, it might just be to display your name to other users, in which case you don't care and to keep your database simple you just do:
    Name:<input type="text" name="name" />

    Or, you might be asking for login credentials, so you'll ask for: Name:<input type="text" name="firstname" />
    Or, you might want to be preventing bots from trying to use usernames/passwords harvested from another, insecure sight, so you'll obfuscate like this:
    Name: <input type="text" name="wxys" />

    As you can see, form auto complete has no way of knowing which entries it should use. However, auto-complete is far from useless. We have a web-based client management database where I work, and there the browser does know what to put in the fields because, obviously, the fields are consistently named. In this case, it is a huge time saver. It just seems dumb to you because you have not really needed to use it for what it was intended for.

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    1. Re:Autocomplete isn't dumb by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      As you can see, form auto complete has no way of knowing which entries it should use

      Wrong. When the form id fails, try looking for common keywords in the HTML layout near (preceding, but also with a "visually nearest" algorithm) the form field.

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    2. Re:Autocomplete isn't dumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As you can see, form auto complete has no way of knowing which entries it should use.

      It doesn't (and can't) know for sure. It makes a decision. You can dress up the reasons for it, but I'd agree with the GP and call it "guessing".

      In this case, it is a huge time saver. It just seems dumb to you because you have not really needed to use it for what it was intended for.

      It's not really a feature you choose to enable or not. Fields get autocomplete whether it makes sense or not. (That's what the "auto" part means.) It's like Clippy for the web: you start doing something, and it shows something that tries to be helpful but is usually wrong, because it's not something you can compute with certainty.

      Going by the name= attribute, without regard for the site, *is* dumb. If it restricted it to exactly the page you used before, then it would (almost) always be right. If it tried to be smarter and look at the <label> tag for things that look like "First name" across all sites, that would be neat. But assuming the name= attribute is somehow universally consistent? That is dumb.

  24. Does it actually work yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does it render embedded IFRAMES correctly yet? Can it correctly stream multiple flash movies in various tabs all at once without completely crashing to the ground in a pile of slag worthy of Windoze 3.0?

    It is useful at all? Currently it takes all of 3 minutes for Chrome to run into a basic surfing task that it cannot do, on my own sites, on public sites, on the intranet, wherever. I just can't seem to use it for any real task for any real length of time. It just fails.

    I realize it's Beta, but I would call it more like pre-alpha.

  25. Re:Dumping Firefox for Chrome Felt Like Dumping IE by MadnessASAP · · Score: 1

    Whatever features continue to get added are nothing but bloat now.

    There, fixed that for ya.

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  26. Still not solved early beta issues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I use chrome almost all the time now because it's lots faster than FF or IE. However there are some complaints back from the 0.4 versions that they still have not solved, and which really spoil the experience: 1) still problems with hotmail.
    2) frequent hangups that cause the entire program to fail, independent of the sandboxed tabs.
    3) too limited crash recovery.

  27. Re:Google, Finish Gtalk first you fucking assholes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    You, sir, have some serious problems that no amount of development of Gtalk could ever begin to address.

  28. Here we go by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    in the footsteps of Firefox on the road to bloatville :(

  29. Re:Google, Finish Gtalk first you fucking assholes by KTheorem · · Score: 1

    Why not try Psi http://psi-im.org/? It's a great Jabber client with a simple interface that doesn't get in the way but still provides all of the features you would expect. It's the best IM client I know of on Windows (at least until Kopete finishes getting ported).

  30. Re:Dumping Firefox for Chrome Felt Like Dumping IE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whatever features continue to get added are nothing but gravy now.

    You're the guy that rides a motorcycle because it it's "an even better feeling" and "utterly annihilates in realworld performance". You don't mind the lack of windshield and protection from weather, heater, cooler, safety, ability to hit a pothole without dying.

    The rest of use 'drive' firefox because when you compare them feature by feature chrome is like tinkertoys. We want the safety of noscript, real-world web pages to render properly, the layers of goo that make it run on linux, mac, and windows, the support for favorite-plugin.

  31. UM? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And it runs on Linux?

    ??

    Come on, Google, don't be a dick.

    I'd boycott you or something, but it's not like I pay for any of your services anyway. And they're all pretty good. Except for Chrome and its weird interface and its not-running-on-Linux yet. >:3

    1. Re:UM? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's up with that emoticon? Butt-face?

  32. Re:Google Chrome for Linux! NOT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    pff... we will never get a Linux Chrome client, I mean, 2015? dont they know 2012 is the end?!

  33. The Death of SVG by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

    Of course scaling should scale the whole page, not just the text. It shouldn't be that hard.

    Well, PDF had vector graphics from the start, so that was a no-brainer. With the web, people were holding out for scalable webpages to be done right. SVG was the solution to that, not scaling up bitmaps with disregard for their intended size, resolution, and fundamental function. But someone got bored and did it wrong, and now we'll all pay, just like, for years, we've been paying for blink tags being used for animation and emphasis, and tables being used for layout.

  34. Correct Linux On the Desktop Year by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't it 200?, or maybe 200*. Damn wildcards...

    Actually don't want a repeat of the Y2K disaster, 20?? or 20**

    1. Re:Correct Linux On the Desktop Year by Haeleth · · Score: 1

      Truly, new Date().getFullYear() + 1 will be the year of Linux on the desktop!

  35. Firebug Lite by teko_teko · · Score: 1

    Alternately, you can use Firebug Lite on any browser. It's not perfect, but it still works.

  36. Re:Dumping Firefox for Chrome Felt Like Dumping IE by MrNaz · · Score: 1

    I still use Firefox because I need a bit more than a rendering engine.

    Any dev work requires validation tools. I need to be able to manipulate CSS on the fly. I need to be able to see and modify headers.

    Yes, chrome is good if your use case fits in with the absolute bare necessities (which is probably 3/4 of the web surfing public), but don't be getting all high and mighty about your new "cool club" when there are very good reasons your cool club can't offer the things that many people need in order to just do their job.

    Fine, you're just a "web surfer", and chrome works for you. For me and anyone else who needs a bit above just the bare basics, Chrome doesn't cut it, yet.

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  37. Pre-beta? by BagOCrap · · Score: 1

    Why not simply Alpha release? Of course, that's not quite correct either.

    Where I come from, alphas are released to internal software testers. Betas are the builds that have passed the alpha stage, and are released to select few or limited number of users for further testing before hitting the public.

    Meh... Why aren't there any standards for software builds and version numberings that everyone can follow?

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  38. Re:Google Chrome for Linux! NOT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    dont they know 2012 is the end?!

    Exactly! That is the point!

  39. Privoxy and Chrome by ConanG · · Score: 1

    It's not quite as nice as AdBlock, but Privoxy is doing a swell job of blocking ads in Chrome. The biggest problem with Privoxy is that it's all or nothing. Otherwise it's about 95%(*) as effective as AdBlock at stripping out ads.

    * - 67% of all statistics are made up.

  40. Re:Dumping Firefox for Chrome Felt Like Dumping IE by i.of.the.storm · · Score: 1

    I agree, although Chrome actually did add some nice web development tools they aren't on the level of Firebug yet. But they did add an Inspect Element menu item which shows all the CSS properties applied on an element fairly nicely, almost exactly the way Firebug does it, too. Too bad it doesn't let you modify on the fly like Firebug does, which is the real useful feature. They also ripped another feature straight from Firefox 3.1 - if you drag a tab off of the tab bar it pops out into its own window. Personally, I think that feature is useless but it's interesting to see them mirroring Firefox development like they are.

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  41. Re:Dumping Firefox for Chrome Felt Like Dumping IE by Ana10g · · Score: 1

    You're the guy that rides a motorcycle because it it's "an even better feeling" and "utterly annihilates in realworld performance". You don't mind the lack of windshield and protection from weather, heater, cooler, safety, ability to hit a pothole without dying.

    Yep, I'm that guy. A bike does have an even better feeling. And, yes, utterly annihilates in real world performance. Insensitive clod. But because I love a bike doesn't mean I don't have use for a car. Most of your arguments against a bike are bad. Try cargo space (strapping 2x4s to my back doesn't work real well), passenger space, and long road trip comfort.

    As for windshields? Put a helmet on. Weather? Put on a set of leathers. Heater? I have heated hand grips. Cooler? Ride faster :P Potholes? Just maneuver around them (and I have hit some pretty big ones, it's jarring, but I'm not dead). Sheesh.

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  42. Use The Proxomitron by ljw1004 · · Score: 1

    You can use The Proxomitron to block ads in Chrome.
    It does the ad-blocking at the proxy level, where it should go, rather than at the plugin level.
    It works with any browser.

  43. Re:Dumping Firefox for Chrome Felt Like Dumping IE by Mean+Variance · · Score: 1

    They also ripped another feature straight from Firefox 3.1 - if you drag a tab off of the tab bar it pops out into its own window. Personally, I think that feature is useless but it's interesting to see them mirroring Firefox development like they are.

    I'll give you one example where I would use that feature (and will whenever I upgrade FF). I'm a spreadsheet junkie and keeps lots of data like personal finance and other crap on EditGrid online spreadsheets. I usually work in tabs, but when updating these sheets, I need a new window so I can place one browser on monitor #2 which has my data and one browser on monitor #1 where I hand enter the data.

    There are other times I need 2 browser windows, not tabs, for the full view, but I tend to forget until I'm in the middle of my work and want to "tear off" the tab. Instead I have to copy the URL and open a new window ... not life changing but sounds like a handy feature.

  44. Re:Dumping Firefox for Chrome Felt Like Dumping IE by i.of.the.storm · · Score: 1

    Actually, I realized that I occasionally do use multiple windows, usually when watching a video on youtube and wanting to look up other stuff at the same time. For some reason I usually open up another browser, since I've specifically disabled Firefox from allowing multiple windows. If you're interested in that feature you might want to try a 3.1 beta or nightly; the feature currently needs a lot of polish IMO. I haven't done anything to trigger it recently but I remember when it first landed people were complaining that it was too oversensitive to dragging tabs around by accident. Since you seem like you would use it, maybe you would be a good tester. If you check out the mozillazine.org forums in the Firefox Builds board, there are threads on how to set up nightlies alongside your stable install with a new profile and such so as not to cause any problems.

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  45. Greasemonkey Ad Blocking script by Stillglade · · Score: 2, Informative
  46. Re:Google Chrome for Linux! NOT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can hardly wait for Chrome on Linux so I can officialy reject their evil offer by blogging about how I like my privacy and why firefox is better.

  47. Sole developer of Proxomitron died? by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1

    My understanding is that the sole developer of Proxomitron died several years ago, and that it is no longer being maintained. Is that true?

  48. Stick to your day job by DavidShor · · Score: 3, Funny

    Remind me to never hire you as an exterminator....

  49. OS market share and the often not thought about by similar_name · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I assume most on this website are like me. I have a circle of friends/family that look to me for all of their computer needs. They use Firefox because I showed it to them. I run Linux. By not making a Linux version they are not just shutting out 1% of the market, they are shutting out all of those Windows users that surround me. I don't suggest Chrome because I don't even have the opportunity to use it at home. If I am the 1 in a hundred that use Linux you can add 20 to 30 to me when it comes to what software gets a thumbs up, a thumbs down and an unknown. So really they are leaving out 20 to 30% of the market by not making a Linux version.

    1. Re:OS market share and the often not thought about by MojoStan · · Score: 1

      I run Linux. By not making a Linux version they are not just shutting out 1% of the market, they are shutting out all of those Windows users that surround me. I don't suggest Chrome because I don't even have the opportunity to use it at home. If I am the 1 in a hundred that use Linux you can add 20 to 30 to me when it comes to what software gets a thumbs up, a thumbs down and an unknown. So really they are leaving out 20 to 30% of the market by not making a Linux version.

      I'll believe it when I see it, but did you catch Google's Chrome for Linux and Mac plans? From the link:

      • Brian Rakowski, Chrome's product manager, said the company wants to release Chrome for Mac and Linux before the first half of 2009 is up.

        "That's what we've been hoping for," he said in an interview Friday. "Those two efforts proceeding in parallel. They're at the same level of progress."

        The Mac and Linux versions are up to the level of a basic "test shell" that can show Web pages. But a test shell is pretty raw.

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    2. Re:OS market share and the often not thought about by Talon88 · · Score: 1

      Wait, wait. What you're saying is that simply because Google has not released a Chrome for Linux, you wouldn't recommend it? Isn't that both blatantly incompetent? The software should be judged based on its own merits, not whether it runs on whatever choice of system you personally operate on; and if you're really a responsible recommender, you will take time to figure out what's best for the people that you are recommending software to.

    3. Re:OS market share and the often not thought about by similar_name · · Score: 1

      Wait, wait. What you're saying is that simply because Google has not released a Chrome for Linux, you wouldn't recommend it? Isn't that both blatantly incompetent?

      Perhaps if recommending software were my job, but it's not.

      The software should be judged based on its own merits, not whether it runs on whatever choice of system you personally operate on

      And how would I judge it's merits if it doesn't run on the operating system that I personally operate on. It's not bias, if it doesn't run on what I use how would I use it. You're acting like I have a responsibility to buy Windows. I do not. I'm not forcing anyone I know to listen to me. They just happen to listen to me because when they have an issue, I'm always capable of fixing it for them. They listen to me because they get more out of there computers now. I have no obligation to test software.

  50. What would you pay? by zogger · · Score: 1

    I know I wouldn't have a problem at all paying google a reasonable sum per year-probably through a very modest isp hit, get it through them as an option-so that I could use a good search service that was ad free. And ad free as in if I run a search I *don't* want the whole first page of hits being something for sale that is marginally related to one of the search words, or link/spam farms, along with no ads on the side bar and no google analytics anything wherever I go, just plain search as a paid service. It's a very useful thing they have, just it keeps going downhill from all the ads and "buy me! Antarctica, icebergs! You want icebergs, check out ebay!" ( I saw that once on a google side ad, no lie) They could even have a toggle "repeat search with commercial ads and sites included" so you'd get what you see today with a google search. Not sure what that would be worth, but say an extra 20 bucks a year or something would be fine with me.

    So that's one way they could make money without ads.

  51. There is an inherent conflict. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "As soon as Google releases an add on platform..."

    They haven't done that yet. If they do, it is anyone's guess whether Firefox add-ons will be supported, or whether the hard-working AdBlock Plus and NoScript teams will want to develop and maintain a new platform.

    There is a huge problem here: Making money through advertising makes it necessary that people see the ads. Google has been spending $50,000,000 per year on Firefox. After Chrome is fully developed, Chrome will likely become the new favorite, replacing the buggy, CPU hogging, badly managed Firefox. Then Google can stop spending that money on Firefox.

    This may be several years away, but it is a conflict that is certainly there.

    1. Re:There is an inherent conflict. by aussie_a · · Score: 1

      So not only do you demand that ads not be served to you, you also require someone else to make sure it happens?

      Just how damn lazy are you?

    2. Re:There is an inherent conflict. by atraintocry · · Score: 1

      I agree with you there, I'm just confused about the ACID3 thing. I think I read it wrong.

      And I agree that there is a conflict of interest, but my overall feeling is that open is open, and if Google were to do something as dumb as implement a plugin API that specifically disallowed ad blockers, those that wanted them would just grab a different build (free-chrome and Iron come to mind).

      So I think it comes down to how well Google understands the Streisand effect.

  52. AdBlock userscripts? by rHBa · · Score: 1

    Chrome now has greasemonkey so you could write a userscript to do the job of adblock.

    Seeing as adblock (and all firefox plugins) are basically 'interpreted' Javascript and XML I can't see it being much less efficient.

    I'm not sure if greasemonkey/userscripts can write to the file system to store filterset updates so you might have to update manually, but...

    Of course Google could build advertising into the GUI but then it would just be adware and nobody would use it.

  53. It's easy to play catch-up... by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

    ... when most of it is copypasta of parts of Firefox code, with an adapter to attach it to the WebKit document interface.

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    1. Re:It's easy to play catch-up... by aksansai · · Score: 1

      Nah. I'd say for the most parts, Google developers are using more of what Internet Explorer uses (SSL certificates is an obvious example) and 1.0's requirement for WinHTTP (also Microsoft).

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    2. Re:It's easy to play catch-up... by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      Talking of "playing catch-up", who cares if it is having to catch up? No one complained when Firefox was playing catch-up to Opera that had been around years before - no, people were glad to have a new browser (especially an open source one) around. For some reason, the same argument doesn't seem to work for Chrome.

  54. Has anyone actually tried this? by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 1

    If you're you're right, I hope someone shares the script here. I have a feeling it might be tougher than you think, because Adblock understands regular expressions, wildcards, etc.

  55. Re:Dumping Firefox for Chrome Felt Like Dumping IE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most of your arguments against a bike are bad. .... As for windshields? Put a helmet on. Weather? Put on a set of leathers. Heater? I have heated hand grips. Cooler? Ride faster :P Potholes? Just maneuver around them (and I have hit some pretty big ones, it's jarring, but I'm not dead). Sheesh.

    You've got to be kidding right? The reasons given were bad because of insert crappy fanboi workaround here?

    Proving the point, which you missed, that Chrome users are posting how awesome it is... if you add a hosts file, and a ad-blocking proxy, and don't mind google-syndication and doubleclick tracking on all web sites you visit. And...

    The only difference is motorcycles are always going to suck for the majority of people, but some day chrome might be at least passably ok.

  56. here's my benchmark of it vs. some other browsers by buddyglass · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've taken the time to benchmark Chrome 2.0's javascript performance against bleeding edge versions of FireFox, Webkit and Opera. Also compared Chrome 1.0 against FireFox 3.0.5, Safari 3.2.1 and Opera 9.6.3. Enjoy.

  57. "Just a few short months..." by Lord+of+the+Fries · · Score: 1

    Did February just go by 3 times in a row? Did I miss something?

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  58. It never imports my search settings! by 1mck · · Score: 1

    Mod me down, but I won't be installing Chrome for about year or so as every time that it installs it just stalls on importing my search settings. I've tried disabling my av, and everything else, and it still doesn't do it. Has anybody else had this problem? I was really excited about Chrome too...Firefox for me until they get the bugs cleared out of it.

  59. Re:Google Chrome for Linux! NOT! by MojoStan · · Score: 2, Informative
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  60. Good point. MOD PARENT UP. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1

    "But, it's not ads per se that are so evil. If ads are done right, they aren't annoying."

  61. It is a design idea, not Google corporate policy. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1

    Chromium Developer Documentation quote:

    "The following lists some types of extensions that we'd like to eventually support: ...
    * Content filtering: Adblock, Flashblock"


    Notice that it says, "we'd like" to "eventually" support. Ask yourself, who is "we"? What is the corporate power of the "like" of that person?

    I read that as the initial ideas of a very idealistic programmer or program manager who, of course, uses AdBlock Plus and Firefox. I'm guessing it is not Google corporate policy. It was not reviewed by the Google public relations department; the people who work in that department probably have no technical knowledge. It remains to be seen what Google corporate policy will do to the initial design ideas.

    The fact that Chrome is open source is not as important as some of those who comment seem to think. Firefox is getting $50,000,000 per year from Google, and look at slow pace of development. For example, the Firefox CPU-hogging bug has improved recently, but now with version 3.05 it has gotten worse.

    It costs a lot in time to fork a huge project. A group of very skilled people would have to donate their time. That doesn't always happen.

    idlemachine, I have a question for you. Your link to Chromium.org does not have "[chromium.org]" after it. My link to exactly the same web page does. How did you do that?

  62. Now I see. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1

    Oh, now I see. The "[chromium.org]" appears in the comment, but not when you are replying to a comment. Weird.

  63. Re:Dumping Firefox for Chrome Felt Like Dumping IE by iNaya · · Score: 1

    I am another such person that likes to drag tabs out into new windows. Usually it's because when I've got too many tabs open I hate having to scroll, and I get to multiply the number of tabs easily accessible (IMHO) by tabbing with the OS' task bar at the bottom. I don't usually use more than one monitor unless I have a really big desk because I need the space for things like paper, books and random useless crap.

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  64. Re:Dumping Firefox for Chrome Felt Like Dumping IE by aussie_a · · Score: 1

    We want the safety of noscript

    Y'know I ran noscript for a couple of years. Then I switched to simply denying cookies.

    Then I realised:
    1) I have never stopped malware from hitting my computer due to the use of NoScript.
    2) I'm not ashamed of the websites I go to, therefore I don't care if other people know what I visit.

    So I can only ask, what sort of websites are you going to that you'll get malware and/or are ashamed to be known to visit them?

  65. Re:Dumping Firefox for Chrome Felt Like Dumping IE by aussie_a · · Score: 1

    Funnily enough my Dad has just recently switched to Firefox (due to security concerns of IE) while almost immediately I switched away from Firefox to Chrome. Nothing but a coincidence, but it is amusing that whatever browser the "masses" use (and my father is definitely one of them), I seem to migrate to a different browser.

  66. Re:here's my benchmark of it vs. some other browse by aussie_a · · Score: 1

    Thanks dude.

  67. Linux/Chrome and Mac/Chrome are in hot pursuit... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As stated in the release notes, Chrome 2.0 (which I'm using at the moment) no longer requires WinHTTP library (Microsoft specific). It now has its own HTTP library that it uses, with the citation that Google Chrome can now share the same library on Windows, Linux, and Mac. That's why it's 2.0.

  68. Re:Linux/Chrome and Mac/Chrome are in hot pursuit. by aksansai · · Score: 1

    And apparently, me posting via Chrome 2.0 makes me want to hit the Post Anonymously checkbox for some sadistic reason... :)

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  69. Chrome adoption at work - ain't gonna happen by aksansai · · Score: 1

    I use Chrome exclusively at home. The speed over Firefox is simply something that I cannot ignore. Yes, there are ads - for the whiners, there are proxies you can install regardless of your operating system that will strip the ads out, much like Adblock Plus does. I don't personally use them, but I hear they work just fine.

    Unfortunately, Chrome is considered one of those "banned" pieces of software where I work. Chrome helps itself to your browsing history, the links you go to, etc. For me at home, this is a moot point - Slashdot, Digg, Woot, and a handful of other sites are what Google finds out about my relatively mundane hyperspace experience. But for work, Chrome does not cut it. Firefox is allowed, so at least I'm not shafted with having to use Internet Explorer.

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  70. JavaScript smoke and mirrors by aksansai · · Score: 1

    Hurray for faster JavaScript performance - yay.

    The majority of what I do when I browse needs solid rendering performance (the cake). The JavaScript engine badness is the icing. WebKit kicks the pants off IE and Firefox's rendering engine. That's enough of a sell for me.

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    1. Re:JavaScript smoke and mirrors by buddyglass · · Score: 1

      Really? I find that most of the time I experience noticeable delays in my browser it's due to javascript. Or Flash. Now, I'd argue that website designers shouldn't be using javascript in such a way that it manages to bog down modern hardware, but that's a separate argument.

    2. Re:JavaScript smoke and mirrors by notrandomly · · Score: 1

      Actually, it seems that JavaScript is mostly not the problem when it comes to performance. However, JS benchmarks make it easy to present fancy numbers, so it's well suited for artificial numbers that don't really say much about real-world performance.

  71. Chromium... wha? by aksansai · · Score: 1

    Please read about Chromium before posting seriously ignorant posts about Google taking advantage of opensource code and their goals to incorporate Linux and Mac into the fold. It's funny how everyone beats up a less than one year old browser (to the public at least) so much and expects it to deliver the world.

    Further, before you start nailing Google for it, Apple's the one that deserves the finger (take your pick) more than anyone else for taking advantage of opensource code.

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  72. Easy to incorporate does not mean better... by aksansai · · Score: 1

    For all you Microsoft haters - Windows and its development libraries are among the most easy to integrate, adapt, extend, etc. Does BitZtream's argument mean that Microsoft is superior? Embedded IE is as simple as dragging a control to your project... yet, I've passed over that one time and time again. :)

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  73. Don't run in Wine! by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 1

    I ran it in Wine, not only does it not work (it claims it can't write to its profile directory, I didn't try changing it) but it corrupts itself somehow, so it won't work if you run the same binary on Windows (you have to reinstall).

  74. Where did 1.0 go? by shish · · Score: 1

    Maybe I just haven't been paying attention, but has 1.0 come out of beta yet o_O? I would have thought that if it had, "something from google comes out of beta" would be a front-page story...

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  75. What is the problem? by owndao · · Score: 1

    Any idea when any version will be released for OS X?

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  76. Still no mac version! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They said they would have one by the end of '08 but nothing yet.

  77. There is an inherent conflict. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1

    See this previous comment: There is an inherent conflict.

  78. Streisand effect: That made me laugh. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1

    Quote: "So I think it comes down to how well Google understands the Streisand effect."

    That made me laugh. I think you are right. But I don't think Google top management intended to get themselves into that situation. They were dragged into it by their employees. I'm guessing the situation was allowed to happen due to the technical ignorance of their public relations department.

    If any Google top manager reads this, you could hire us to help you. See our web site.

  79. Re:here's my benchmark of it vs. some other browse by notrandomly · · Score: 1

    Bear in mind that those tests are rather artificial, and only test certain parts of JavaScript, which probably isn't the main performance bottleneck on most sites anyway. I think you'll see that a browser which seems slower at JS can be faster than most of the other browsers when it comes to real-world performance.