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Chandrayaan Maps Apollo Missions
maheshc writes "Chandrayaan has mapped 6 Apollo landing sites on the Moon (Apollo 11, 12, 14, 15, and 17). More at the Times of India. Perhaps time to retire all the conspiracy theories ..."
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Pics or it didn't happen.
..they'd be stupid to change anything about those film sets after all these years. Conspiracy theorists worldwide would have a field day!
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Perhaps time to retire all the conspiracy theories ...
Oh come on, you know how this is going to go. The conspiracy theorists will claim any photos are real terrain photos with CGI Apollo artifacts added. Or maybe CGI terrain photos with CGI Apollo artifacts added.
I fully believe that there exist people whose belief in their conspiracies is so unshakeable that you could load them onto a rocket, fly their worthless ass to the moon, land them at the Apollo sites, let them see the items firsthand, and they would STILL deny that we went there 40-ish years ago.
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There will be no way you can convince the conspiracy fans. This includes all of the conspiracy theories, you just can't satisfy these people. They will simply say that NASA and the Indian space agency are in cahoots and they will dismiss it.
What?! Now they're out-sourcing the conspiracies to foreign workers?! This is a travesty! America deserves a Government who will maintain an American workforce to craft it's most inner secrets and public deceptions.
Where are the pictures?
Colorless green Cthulhu waits dreaming furiously.
"Chandrayaan has mapped 6 Apollo landing sites on the Moon (Apollo 11, 12, 14 15 and 17)"
I count that as five. So the Apollo 16 landing (only) was faked?
-- Alastair
The problem is that the conspiracy nuts dispute humans landing on the moon. It's not that the Apollo crafts landed. Unfortunately it will need photographs of foot prints to shut them up. Even then, there are always going to be nuts who will perhaps claim that the Americans paid off the Indians. Best to ignore the nuts and move on with progress.
Apollo 11, 1969, Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin, Michael Collins
Apollo 12, 1969, Charles (Pete) Conrad, , Alan Bean, Richard Francis Gordon
Apollo 14, 1971, Alan Shepard, Edgar Mitchell, Stuart Roosa
Apollo 15, 1971, David Scott, James Irwin, Alfred Worden
Apollo 16, 1972, John Young, Charles Duke, Thomas Mattingly
Apollo 17, 1972, Eugene Cernan, Harrison Schmitt, Ronald Evans
Seriously. How can they have such an article without images or a link to the site with images? NASA would've had pics in .tif and .jpg format of varying resolutions and sizes ranging from 300k to 8m. What the fuck, India? We outsource the space program to your country and you're half-assing it? Man, you'd think we would've learned something from giving you our lucrative IT + customer support contracts.
Can't you see this is just more proof the moon landings didn't happen!? It's all part of a massive deal between Disney studios that shot the original moon landings and Bollywood. In exchange for their support Bollywood have the rights for Highschool Musical 4: Summer in Mumbai in which the kids all get summer jobs in an Indian call center but struggle to fit in because their names don't need to be westernized. Disney will also be outsourcing the next lunar landings to a Bollywood studio to cut costs. Expect to see moon rocks in the shape of traditional Indian cusine some time early next decade.
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From what I understood is that NASA is now outsourcing its Conspiracy Coverup Unit (CCU) to India. Next thing you'll hear would be how some scientist in Bangalore had discovered previously unseen 1080i footage of JFK assassination.
The Indian Space Agency is just receiving data that it *thinks* is coming from the moon, and not from a desert in Nevada.
The space shuttle caught Chandrayaan on its last mission, and brought it back to Earth. The space shuttle carried a giant baseball shortstop's glove fitted to the shuttle's robot arm to perform the catch. The Philadelphia Phillies advised on the project, and were paid in Jim's cheese steaks, as not to leave a financial paper trail.
Once in Area 51, sinister scientists there had no problem to electronically feed it with bogus data, so Chandrayaan thinks that it has really reached to moon.
Including, of course, photos of sites on the moon where the fake Apollo landings supposedly took place.
It all seems pretty logical to me.
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..is that anything that doesn't fit your theory can be explained away as part of the conspiracy. The nutters will continue to be nutty.
I want to see Armstrong and Aldrin in the octagon.
Proof: I hate that word.
Intellectuals don't seek proof, they seek evidence. We sought it, and we received plenty. Sure, the footage could conceivably have been faked, but the mirrors, which are still testable today, could not have been unless they were already there, or they placed them there later. There are countless other pieces of evidence, making it hard to reach any other conclusion. The only alternative hypotheses that are supported by all of the evidence are so far fetched that the question becomes a no-brainer.
Conspiracy theorists seek proof because there is no such thing. They don't want to come to the logical conclusion, so they ignore the evidence, and require this thing you call "proof". You can't "prove" to someone that you exist (you might just be a figment of their imagination); all you can do is provide evidence, and let them decide on the strength of that evidence. If you can't prove something as obvious as your existence, then what hope do you have of proving something happened yesterday, or 40 years ago?
Even mathematical proof is meaningless in the absence of axioms, so can we please stop using that word?
Well, this all seems pretty obvious to me. Chandrayaan found the landing sites of 6 Apollo missions, but only 5 of them came from the Earth (Apollo 11, 12, 14 15 and 17). So when they find the site of Apollo 16, that will leave them with a total of 7. But the NASA only did 6 missions to the moon! So who did the seventh?
Obviously, aliens. We are not alone. And they have been *real* near us; on the Moon.
Watch the sky tonight, and all nights from now on.
You have been warned.
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I think you meant: w00t?
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...that it's not a hoax.
Worked last time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOo6aHSY8hU&NR=1
Sort-of.
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...but where's the "proof"? Is it just in the text? If that's the case, then I have mapped where Russia landed on Mars. You'll just have to believe me on this one.
Chandrayaan's camera only has a resolution of 5M - a LEM descent stage barely fills a pixel. One more anonymous dot among many, neither ammunition for or against conspiracy nutters.
Anyhow, if you bother to read TFA you'll find they had a much more prosaic purpose - to compare the readings from their instruments to the known regolith and rock at the landing sites in order to check their calibration.
have they found the secret moon base that ppl claim we have? :)
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
No seriously, I looked everywhere and I didn't find no picture? That's like saying "our paparazzis photographed Beyonce and Christina Aguilera having lesbian sex" and not releasing the damn pictures.
You just got troll'd!
...did they find TMA-1?
I mean, we *know* where the Apollo sites are supposed to be.
You have violated Robot's Rules of Order and will be asked to leave the future immediately.
C'mon, it's a Wallace and Gromit reference, mods.
I'll bet you a top-secret warehouse full of tinfoil hats that the US government paid the Indian government to fake their mission too.
No, no - the Apollo 11 site is a soundstage on Mars.
Darn, where's the three musketeers (Odyssey, Express, Reconnaissance) when you need them?
The Apollo sites have all been (re)mapped many times. The sites for Apollo 11, 14 and 15 (sites for Lunar Laser Ranging Experiment reflectors) have been mapped to an accuracy of a few meters, from Earth (a distance of 400,000 km), and that's been going on since Apollos were still going there. Since Chandrayaan is only 100 km from the moon, its ability to replicate the oft replicated deserves a resounding "I should hope so". Now when the Terrain (you use aposelene and periselene for orbital components but stick with 'terrain' for the surface?) Mapping Camera and Lunar Laser Ranging Instrument are working together and producing 3D surface maps with 5 to 10 m voxels, then you'll have something worth reporting. A hint: if the story requires a conspiracy theory or sci-fi reference to carry it, it's either not worth being carried or being carried in the wrong place; if it doesn't require them, it makes as much sense to insert this week's test match scores. Stop it. You're not required to submit to the lowest common /. denominator.
"I may be synthetic, but I'm not stupid." -- Bishop 341-B
My wife bounces a laser off the moon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Point_Observatory_Lunar_Laser-ranging_Operation, as featured on Mythbusters) and one of the two Russian probes can no longer be hit by laser. It was reachable initially, something happened. Theories are: the position was not actually accurately known, or that perhaps the bracket that supported the mirror failed. My personal theory is that the moon men picked up the rover and moved it a few hundred meters just to screw with us.
When you sympathize with stupidity, you start thinking like an idiot.
The pictures would show it stripped and up on blocks.
"Well Ranger Brad, I'm a scientist. I don't believe in anything." - Dr. Roger Fleming
Ignoring the nuts would be nice, but these people vote. They vote against "wasting" tax payers' money on "$3 million overhead projectors". They vote to end "needless subsidies to study the genetics of fruit flys, the effects of global warming", etc.
we need a -1 fail mod...
Karma is for whores
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ipBOotJDJ1k
Seriously - we should have permanent bases up there by now! Im getting old now i want to experience the next giant leap for mankind before i die. Please!
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I wish i had a wife that bounced lasers off the moon. Mind you I wish I had a wife. Hats of dude .. thats a cool wife!
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