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Class Teaches Nerds Social Skills

PeterAitch writes "According to Reuters, Potsdam University in Germany is now teaching social skills as part of their IT courses. This is intended to 'ease entry into the world of work'. The 440 students enrolled in the master's degree course will learn how to write flirtatious text messages and emails, impress people at parties and cope with rejection(s)." The class is taught by a superficial model, who will fall in love with the nerdiest student at the end of the semester after realizing that he is beautiful on the inside.

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  1. This can be improved by removing some text by Chrisq · · Score: 5, Funny

    "According to Reuters, Potsdam University in Germany is now teaching social skills as part of their IT courses. This is intended to 'ease entry into ..... a superficial model, who will fall in love with the nerdiest student at the end of the semester after realizing that he is beautiful on the inside.

    1. Re:This can be improved by removing some text by clam666 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When it comes to "hot chicks" and being rejected, just remember...

      Somewhere, someone is tired of her shit.

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    2. Re:This can be improved by removing some text by Drakkenmensch · · Score: 5, Funny

      "According to Reuters, Potsdam University in Germany is now teaching social skills as part of their IT courses. This is intended to 'ease entry into ..... a superficial model, who will fall in love with the nerdiest student at the end of the semester after realizing that he is beautiful on the inside.

      By that point of course, he will have become a handsome and rugged jock on the outside while keeping the smarts and sensibilities of a computer geek, thus bridging the gap and making the world a better place where nerds and football jocks can live together in peace while 80's pop-rock plays over a sunset.

    3. Re:This can be improved by removing some text by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And when it comes to "nerds" and being rejected, just remember...

      Everywhere, everyone is tired of his shit.

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    4. Re:This can be improved by removing some text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      True that.. that's why I dress in whatever I pull off the floor that passes the smell test, have stubble most of the time, and usually need a haircut weeks ago. Someone someday is going to look at me and go "My God, that man is free. I want him."

      Hasn't happened yet but it will!!

      Right??

    5. Re:This can be improved by removing some text by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's me. I'm sick of her shit. She and her girlfriend ruined all of my god damned cups.

  2. Hey! by XPeter · · Score: 5, Funny

    I flirt with that hot female blood elf on WoW, you insensitive clod!

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    1. Re:Hey! by DeadPixels · · Score: 5, Funny

      I *am* that hot female blood elf, you insensitive clod!

  3. For the first lesson: by Mhtsos · · Score: 5, Funny

    Don't start conversations by shouting "first post" after someone mentions a subject.

  4. Fixed by RockMFR · · Score: 5, Funny

    According to Reuters, Potsdam University in Germany is now teaching social skills as part of their IT courses. This is intended to 'ease entry into ... a superficial model, who will ... love ... the end ... after realizing that he is ... inside.

  5. 10 years too late... by Xerolooper · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Where was this course when I went to college.

    Social Intelligence is a skill that can be taught and learned. That is how most people get it although somewhat unconsciously. Inherent personality does play a role which is why "Nerds" have to work harder at learning it.

    Because the majority of the world runs on Social IQ more than we like to admit.

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    1. Re:10 years too late... by DriedClexler · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, I was in the exact same position as you my freshman year and tried to improve my sophomore year. But ... it didn't go well, and it's not as easy as you make it sound.

      I tried to cure my problem (of being socially inept) by joining a club, several in fact. Because I rubbed some people the wrong way (figuratively!), one girl started telling the leadership that I did very horrible things (which were very untrue) and got a bunch of other girls to go along with her in complaining until I got expelled from it. Shortly thereafter, I noticed people in the other groups I tried joining, not wanting to interact with me, and then I found out about more (untrue) rumors against me.

      Then, when I filed a formal complaint about this treatment, the administrator destroyed my complaint without telling me and didn't act on it. I appealed to another administrative organization, who then gave me similar treatment.

      So, any time you tell one of these nerd types to "get over their fears" and "what do you have to lose?", well, *that* is what they have to fear, and it's possible to face *much* more than mere rejection.

      I think that it is, in a sense, hard to teach these social skills. Most people don't realize, and so can't even articulate, what social skills they're learning as they're learning it. Even on this very discussion, virtually all the advice that's been posted wouldn't help: I *already* shower daily and I relgiously brush my teeth. While I may not have the best fashion sense, I do get complimented on outfits I pick out myself from time to time. And I don't wear star trek/wars themed stuff or bring up my MtG skills.

      In my experience, it really all does boil down to me just not *knowing* the unspoken boundaries that other people somehow know. And I don't know any way you can teach this to someone -- whenever someone actually tells me I did something wrong (in the rare cases where I actually get to learn it!), it is something very hard to describe: "Yes, you should have done that, but the *way* you said it put people off".

      In more recent groups that I've tried to join, I haven't gotten the treatment of the one listed above, but for some reason nobody ever wants to see me outside of it, and (it seems) participation quietly drops sharply once I join.

      And just to give you an example of how hard it is to find relevant advice: in another slashdot discussion about this, someone suggested that when I join a group, I bring along a friend, preferably a hot female one. Well gee, when I dont *have* a friend in the first place, let alone a female one, let alone an attractive female one... . And when I found a girl I knew from high school and asked her what I should do, she could only think of things I've already done.
      Riddle me this: why is it that if someone has trouble in math or something, other people who can do it will offer to help, but if someone is socially inept, the immediate reaction is to ostracize the person rather than offering to give them social coaching? I have helped people all my life in technical areas where they needed it, but not one time has anyone made any such offer to me.

      Okay, well this post is getting long. I don't know if I'm representative of socially inept people. But please, stop giving trite dismissals of us (I know you weren't specically doing this, but many in the discussion are). This loneliness is starting to really cripple me -- I never realized growing up how important it would be later in life to have friends. While there may be a few nerds that genuinely don't care what others think, I think you're mainly seeing people doing the best they can to cope with a bad situation.

      For those of you in college, take advantage of everything that it provides. You don't necessarily get those type of opportunities once you leave.

      And how painfully I learned this :-(

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  6. You cant teach tact. by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Many of the "nerds" I know are not socially inept because of lack of training. It's because they have a disorder or disease. Not bathing, incredibly wierd behaivoir, etc... The "hot chick" is not going to date you because you are...

    1 - dressed like a wierdo. Sorry Emo/Goth is not cool.. It's as bad as dressing in a star trek shirt.

    2 - Social tact, you have to actually have some.

    3 - Hygene.. good god, take a bath, discover toothpaste, and deodorant, cheap cologne is not a substitute.

    4 - There are no good pick up lines. Stop trying, stop reading the speed seduction books, they do not work if you do not understand human psychology and look like a "hunk" or at least semi cute to a woman.

    5 - Nerdy = dorky and repellant. the second you mention you're a top notch national MTG player they will ask to go to the bathroom and never come back. Magic the Gathering is NOT COOL, nor any of your really nerdy activities.

    Now all bets are off if you find a nerdy girl. I strongly suggest never even trying for the hotties and look only for nerdy girls. Librarians tend to be nerdy and incredibly sexually creative. Honestly a HOT CHICK is not worth the pain of their upkeep, and maintenance.

    Find a nerdy chick that is a bit of a sex freak and you got a incredible relationship.

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    1. Re:You cant teach tact. by metlin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Add to the list - work out.

      Seriously, people underestimate the importance of looking buff. In undergrad, I was a skinny guy (I used to play in a metal band, which was considered cool by some chicks, but I was still skinny).

      Somewhere after grad school, I discovered the gym and sports that I enjoyed (rock climbing, for one). And once I started bulking up, I was amazed at the attention that women give you. To all the geeks out there -- buff up. Stop eating junk, eat healthy, work out regularly, run, get good abs and build some muscle.

      You'd be amazed at how much better your chances are. Especially in summer.

    2. Re:You cant teach tact. by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 5, Informative

      Just one viewpoint, take it or leave it.

      Aspergers is to the body language and subtle social cues that define 2/3 of human communication as blindness is to vision or deafness is to sound. Only on the outside, no one knows you have an impaired perception. You don't get cut the slack that the person signing or the guy carrying the cane would.

      You constantly monitor yourself every second to make sure you don't do anything wrong. You're labelled as weird, or rebellious, rude, or unpleasant to be around because you can't perceive the messages people are trying to send you. You have few friends because whatever secret magical language that's being spoken to generate new connections with people you totally miss. Many attempts you make to reach out to people end in disaster, and you can't for the life of you understand what the hell it is that you're doing wrong.

      Those lonely nights spend in front of a computer are ones you'd probably rather spend hooking up with a girl you met at a bar instead of learning the intricacies of Yacc or device drivers. And it drives you absolutely fucking insane that everyone else is in on the fuck-fest that is life except you.

      Any super-abilities you might gain from this condition are cold comfort, as they're used more as survival skills to get around the enormous deficits you experience in being able to read people. The money that you earn from your impressive abilities has to be the substitute for having lots of friends who could help you do stuff (e.g. you pay someone to install an super-heavy air conditioner in a second story windows because you don't have many friends you can call on to help you). It's not really a preference for certain kind of social lifestyle, it's a crappy hand of cards you're dealt that you have to make the best of.

  7. Re:Nerds don't need this.... by truthsearch · · Score: 5, Funny

    I also wonder if this should really be teached in class...

    Like English? ;)

  8. Re:Extracurricular activites by JCSoRocks · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If you do homeschool I'd really encourage you to find a way for your kids to regularly interact with their peers. I spent 5 years working with high school students. Every kid that came in that was homeschooled took at least a year to stop being socially retarded. It was almost impossible to have a conversation with them when they first started coming. After a year or so you could actually talk to them about something they were interested in and they had developed sufficient social skills to build friendships with the other kids. Obviously my experience isn't scientific, but I'm not exaggerating - Literally ever homeschooled kid, literally over a year.

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  9. You can't teach self-esteem by Loundry · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The reason why nerds have that weird behavior is because they can get away with it. This is because they essentially have nothing to lose, and the capital that I'm referring to here is acceptance and validation by his peers. Since he knows he would never "get anywhere" with them anyway, he has no incentive to have the hygiene or tact that you mention.

    If his self-esteem is even lower, then he claims those "outsider" social trappings (emo/goth) as part of his identity. This is a way for outsiders to gain companionship, but, inside, many of them want out.

    The only way for an individual to gain self-esteem is to earn it. It can't be given to him by teachers who hand out "Good Job!" stickers to all students regardless of effort. An individual has to meet people, make friends, take chances, stand up for himself, refuse to be abused, be positive, and be funny. If he's rewarded for that behavior with more friends, then he gains self-esteem.

    High school teaches us nerds all the wrong things about human interaction. Being punished for our choices drives us farther into seclusion and "nerdy" behavior.

    Teaching "social skills" won't fix anything. Instead, send people to therapy and help them find ways to rebuild their destroyed self-esteem. Telling a nerd, "Bathe every once in a while!" is not going to do him any good if, inside, he says to himself: "I'm not worth the effort."

    My self-esteem was destroyed when I was 12. It took me until I was 34 to earn it back.

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  10. You've got it backwards. by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This will be about as good for them as "Change Your Underwear, Change Your Life," and similar self-help books. Most of what people call "social skills" problems really boils down to self-esteem. I've been to more than a few support groups, talked to a lot of people about their childhood and adolescent learning experiences, coached people on interviewing skills... I don't have a degree as a therapist, but at least in my social circle I'm the go-to girl (for better and for worse!). That said, don't take what I have to say as the gospel -- it's just my own point of view.

    First, there's nothing wrong with so-called "nerds", "geeks", or many other classes of people that are bright, insightful, but often shy and hard to approach. They are rarely rude, they don't insult people, they respect another's boundaries if told directly. About the only thing "wrong" with them is that they miss subtlety and sometimes lack tact. Frankly, there's a lot more wrong with people who consider themselves to have "great social skills" than those who don't -- those people are often manipulative, petty, morally underdeveloped, and often destroy group harmony to further their own ambitions. For the girls, I have two words: Queen bee. Guys who have these "great social skills" are often egotistical, inconsiderate, etc. My friends call it the "napoleon complex", after a certain short guy in history who had a real problem with the word "no."

    I guess what I'm saying to the people who think their social skills have the suck... Stop beating yourself up. Contary to popular belief, none of us start out equal. And throughout life we never become equal. Trying to move towards normality is like trying to... Well, it's like the Kobashi Maru, you just can't win. So stop trying. Normal doesn't even exist. If you want these mythical social skills--Go someplace where you think there are others like you (or others who you'd like to be like if your self-concept isn't that developed) and listen to them. Watch, learn, interact. What movies do they watch? What phrases do they say? What little gestures do they make? Reason out what it all means and then practice it on your friends and anyone else you can. And don't judge yourself for awhile -- just go out and try things for a bit. The judging part everyone else will do for you (*trust me on this*), so focus on doing it instead of reviewing it. This isn't a question to be answered, but one to be lived. Someday you will find yourself experiencing the answer.

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  11. Re:Nerds don't need this.... by SerpentMage · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You know what I want?

    Logic skills taught to those people who have "social skills"

    While I can understand the desire to teach social skills, I wish people would stop thumping on people with strong technical abilities.

    For example, say you are a born classical musician, and are quite good. They would say you are cultured and have everything life needs. YET, if the same happened to a mathematician, well then they are not balanced.

    Really? Not knowing how to calculate yourself out of a wet paper bag is balanced?

    So sure I will take social skills, so long as the others take logic skills.

    MAYBE THEN we have rational discussions....

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    "No," said Samuel, "but you can make very fast pig"
  12. Re:Nerds don't need this.... by Totenglocke · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Only those with mental retardation or other conditions keeping them from having a fully functioning brain fall under the category of "unable to understand basic math or logic". Those people are not expected to understand these concepts because we realize that due to crap circumstances beyond their control, they're physically incapable of it. However, all the idiots in Hollywood, at the jock table, the cheerleaders, etc ARE capable of learning basic math and logic, they CHOOSE not to because "it's not cool" and since for so many people (at least in the Western world) their goal is to be cool, they choose to be morons....and we all see where that's leading our society....

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  13. Re:Alternativeley by AkiraRoberts · · Score: 5, Funny

    The more interesting question would be if she feels there is any relation between playing a poorly drawn character in a poorly plotted Star Trek series and her eventualy speaking out about said Republican politician's more questionable activities, effectively putting the nail in said Republican's Senate campaign, leading to the election of his Democratic opponent, who would then use said Senate seat as a launching pad to a successful presidential run.

    In other words, would she agree with the statement that Star Trek was, through a long an complicated chain of events, the ultimate cause of Obama's presidency?

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