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Saving Journalism With Flash and Java

An anonymous reader writes "New York magazine has a story about some of the flashy new ideas that are coming out of the labs of the New York Times. The piece prompted Peter Wayner to dig up some of the old Java applets he wrote to explore whether more promiscuity really stops AIDS and whether baseball can do anything to speed up the games. He notes that these took a great deal of work to produce and it's not possible to do them on a daily basis. Furthermore, they're cranky and fragile, perhaps thanks to Java. Are cool, interactive features the future of journalism on the web? Or will simple ASCII text continue to be the most efficient way for us to mingle our thoughts, especially when ASCII text won't generate a classloading error?"

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  1. saving is not the right adjective by girlintraining · · Score: 4, Informative

    So far the media's use of flash and java has been a major reason for the development and wide-spread use of browser plug-ins to disable those technologies. I reject your reality and substitute my own.

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    1. Re:saving is not the right adjective by girlintraining · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's real progress when many web developers don't know about the BLINK tag anymore. Oh god... it still haunts my dreams.

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  2. Wrong question. by xzvf · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The question should be: Does a move away from traditional ways of serving news, mean the end of journalism? This is more hand wringing by print media about their waning fortunes. In fact TV, newspapers and news magazines didn't realize we were in a recession, because their revenue stream (advertising) was enhanced by the high spending presidential election. More and more stories are broken outside traditional media. The real story is how do journalists continue to do their job without the structure of a newspaper or wire service.

    1. Re:Wrong question. by GPLDAN · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The answer to your question is that investigative journalism is still a needed skill, and still worth paying for. Presentation is entirely secondary to journalism, again going back to your assertion that the entire question is wrong: it is.

      In fact, it fails to distinguish between being a publisher and being a journalist. Publishers can use Java applets to teach or illustrate educational points, and again - this has nothing to do with journalism as a profession.

      We conflate these ideas because so many people who call themselves "journalists" are nothing of the sort. They are tv reporters who make phone calls. Most local news is just taken off the AP wire, or maybe culled from the web. It's broadcasting, it's bullshit, and more and more, it's infotainment.

      Newspaper reporters, real reporting simply needs to migrate from printed paper to online. Most of the beat reporters, the guys and gals who dig up stories, chase leads, do the Woodward and Bernstein shtick - they still have a place - a valuable place - in society. For them, the web is even better, as they can mix media. Use an applet to make a map during an invasion, drill down into local reports, even get into designing news user interfaces, something that cnn.com likes to do.

      The real problem in the United States is that investigative reporting, digging around, doing follow-up, attributing sources, getting people to go on record - is hard work and nobody wants to do it. The fluffers of news need to find other work. The Bush administration cowed most hardline journalists. 60 Minutes and Frontline are just as home on the web as they are on tv, even more so. But now they compete in an arena where they don't have a monopoly, so they must be worth something independent of CBS or PBS - and they still need REAL journalists.

      What we are seeing now is that there are too many newspapers in the world, and so it's just consolidation to the best ones. When I moved to Denver I never read anything local, it was all shit. I read the NYT online. Denver is a shit town for journalism.

    2. Re:Wrong question. by ZombieRoboNinja · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Investigative journalism will certainly still be a "needed skill" and "useful to society" if all the papers die. That's the whole issue. See, right now, those papers and magazines provide most of the infrastructure and career opportunities for journalists. Want to be the next Woodward? Well, you go to journalism school, then get a job at whatever paper will take you and (hopefully) work your way up to the NY Times or whatever prestigious news organization.

      You need print media, and not just a few "elite" papers but a whole bunch of options, if you want journalism to remain even a semi-viable choice of profession for smart and motivated individuals. (And "semi-viable" is generous; most of the journalists I know are lucky to stay above the poverty line.)

  3. Right answer, Wrong question. by Jahf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Display Applications are for web sites.

    Research applications are for research.

    Content is for journalism.

    Journalism receives data from research.

    Journalism provides raw materials to the web.

    The web presents them to us.

    IT and developers create that web and hence its doodads.

    Journalists (and other creators) then populate that web and doodad with content. ...

    The point being: No, java / flash / doodads won't save journalism. And journalism isn't dying. It still exists but has a WEALTH of new contributors, which leaves demand for the few highly trained contributors low enough that many are leaving the field. Yet we still get our news.

    I don't like doodads. When I want news I want content. Not buttons. Not animations (unless they are truly pertinent).

    Journalists that create doodads are trying to salvage their career by doing something that is not PART of their career. Just like Developers who try to create content.

    So ... long answer given the short answer is: No, doodads won't save journalism. But journalism is evolving, not dying.

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  4. yes, but... by owlnation · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Technology can help illustrate a good story, of course.

    However, the story is the key. What we need much more of, what the real savior of newspapers will be, it hard-hitting, in-depth investigations, and scoops. This worked for Hearst, among others. And the World really needs critical, trained, intelligent people examining what our corporations, our governments and their agents are up to, now more than ever in history.

    Any blogger can paraphrase an AP feed, it doesn't take brains. This is what newspapers have been concentrating on in the past few years, while ignoring actual journalism.

    Also, there's plenty examples of how technology is misused in TV media. Bugs, hyperbole-laced graphics, and skewed graphs. Let's not replicate that either. Let's not see powerpoint presentation news. By all means illustrate the facts, but make sure you have the facts too.

  5. ebooks by Lord+Ender · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Really, they should partner with Amazon to get their papers delivered to the Kindle automatically for a subscription fee.

    Also, Amazon should release an ebook reader designed for netbooks.

    Both would go a long way toward getting revenue for their publications.

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  6. Call me old fashioned... by A.+B3ttik · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...but I really prefer my news to be reported in text and pictures. The occasional Flash apps that BBC sometimes uses to explore stories feel slow and clunky. Information osmosis time is limited to the speed and pace of the program, whereas reading a text article is limited only by the user's ability to scan through it, which can be done at their leisure.

    I feel like I am in the majority when I say that most of my news-reading comes during work during the few minutes I get every hour or so when waiting on something (like a compile). I don't really have the time to tinker around with a simulation exploring the possibilities. And even if I did, my patience will likely wear thin unless the simulation is either really exciting (not the case in the article) or something I'm really interested in (also not the case in the article).

    Yes, it's kinda cool. But changing the face of modern journalism? I think not.

  7. Cranky and fragile, due to Java? by Teckla · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Dear Java Hating Slashdot Editors,

    Java is not responsible for "generating class loader errors", any more than Perl is responsible for all the HTML errors on the Slashdot front page.

    Here's the link to the W3C HTML Validator, go get yourself a clue.

    1. Re:Cranky and fragile, due to Java? by SpuriousLogic · · Score: 4, Informative

      Java is cranky and fragile? I guess that is why it is used for backend trading applications and banks across the world. 100's of trillions of dollars is just fine to be handled by a cranky and fragile language. Thank god for perl and their fans for such a robust language that it can be used sometimes for partially stable webpages.

    2. Re:Cranky and fragile, due to Java? by SpuriousLogic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No offense, but your knowledge is dated. This old Java applet bugaboo has been hanging around just as long as the "Java is slow" urban myth. The truth is that applets arrived in a period of time when there were NO rich internet application and were far head of their time. There are tons of applets out there today that are fast, robust and useful. Also I'm not sure why you think Java has not been adopted by industry - it is the #1 language used in corporate environments, hands down. No language has ever had a more popular usage in industry.

  8. Re:Can technology aid journalism? by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Only if you're looking at the title alone.

    I actually work tech at a big media organization, so this is something I think about constantly, and the article is a perfect example of the media missing the goddamn point.

    The way to persist is to deliver a better product. Print journalism is by far the most prolific news medium in existence, and traditional print newspapers are still the biggest providers of that content...right now.

    But increasingly they're cutting jobs and reducing the quality of their physical product in order to try and retain their profitability, and, magically, it's not helping their product.

    At the same time they're investing in ideas like the ones described in the article, which are 100% substance-free, cute little web 2.0 widgets that may occupy a few minutes of someone's time, but don't add any lasting value to the product, and don't pull the new users they need (people like us), but instead appeal primarily to the same technophobes who are their core market already.

    What they need to do is push an actual, meaningful, web presence, one with persistence, where content lasts longer than a week or so, and where the web content is clear, clean, and accessible to aggregators and search engines, so they can take advantage of the long tail.

    It's inevitable that the print product is going to get superceded by a web product. The industry is dragging its feet, however, on really dealing out a first class web product, and so they're basically guaranteeing that when the first really savvy web-based news organization comes along, that they're going to get their marketshare ripped away.

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  9. Form over facts by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Bluntly? If your news page is filled with flash and java, I'll close the browser never to return. If you have no content and have to mask it with flashy graphics, I don't want to hear your story.

    It's the same with news networks. Ever watched the news recently? It's flashy "breaking news" jingles and enough FX to make the average hollywood movie drop its jaw in awe (which, btw, also rely more and more on flashy explosions and FX to hide that the script is thin enough to fit in a standard envelope), but where's the beef?

    JibJab summed it up quite nicely.

    Gimme news! Gimme information! And keep your flashy crap!

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  10. It can be done right. by Ilyakub · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've seen very helpful Flash visualizations on news websites that helped understand the story better.

    For example, this interactive map of drug war related deaths in Mexico is very well done. It doesn't just clarify the conflict, but encourages the reader to analyze and research the topic independently in addition to linearly reading the text of an article.

    Just reading an article, listening to the radio or watching a news program often gives the illusion of learning and understanding new information, whereas in reality very little is retained.

    Innovative and interactive ways of presenting information solve this problem.

  11. Re:i for one... by idontgno · · Score: 4, Funny

    No one as used ASCII in years,

    At least ASCII has the letter "h".

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  12. AIDS, promiscuity, and flash by philspear · · Score: 4, Funny

    The article focused on a hypothetical heterosexual world in which all the men but only a few of the women were promiscuous. In this situation, the promiscuous women quickly caught the virus and became a sort of viral clearinghouse, spreading HIV to every man with whom they had contact. The men, in turn, brought it home to their wives. If the number of promiscuous women increased, the Landsburg-Kremer model posited, each man would be less likely to find an infected woman in his nightly wanderings, and the spread of HIV would slow.

    Not sure of the link to flash (only skimmed TFA), but flash has apperantly cured AIDS AND made women more willing to sleep with me. Either one really would have made up for all the annoyances, both together? Can we declare Flash a saint?

  13. Re:i for one... by cjb658 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Isn't it time we dumped ASCII and moved over to Unicode?

    Nay, it's time we dump all other languages and move over to English!

  14. Re:Can technology aid journalism? by Enderandrew · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Except consumers want video. Our web site was going down the tube, and another local site was getting more hits than us. Video was the #1 reason. Now we produce our own video.

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  15. Re:Short answer: by alexj33 · · Score: 5, Funny

    With the power of Java applets, we will discover a brand new dimension of "breaking news".