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YouTube Muting, Removing Videos Involving Warner Music

notseamus writes "In the past few days, YouTube has started muting videos uploaded by users that use 'unauthorized copyrighted music' in response to Warner Music's threat over royalties, and so far appears to target only Warner Music related videos. Ars Technica also reports that after three DMCA notices YouTube will remove a user account, even when it appears to be fair use. Kevin Lee has had video essays — which he believes are fair use — removed from YouTube, and his account disabled before he could file a counter notice."

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  1. even when... by gandhi_2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...you use a small clip of a song for the background music of a video.

    That's about half the videos on Youtube.

  2. Re:Their site, their right. by LingNoi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As soon as you upload anything to the internet you've pretty much waived any of your content rights you had.

    Now when I say that I don't mean it in the legal sense but in the realistic practical sense. Anything digital is pirated and shared.

    We even have karma whores that copy & paste other peoples insightful comments.

  3. Beyond brilliant by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am speechless at the business acumen behind killing your number one free advertising site, the one that had no negative affect whatsoever on your sales because the sound quality was way too low to "pirate". Newsflash to Warner: I've bought music I'd never normally get simply because it was stuck in my head and that was the only way to get rid of it. By lowering your exposure, I can absolutely guarantee you're going to lose sales. Genius.

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    1. Re:Beyond brilliant by Xelios · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Here's the typical scenario, this happens to me all the time.

      Someone: "So what's your favorite band?"
      Me: "Right now it's [band 1]"
      Someone: "I like them too, have you ever heard of [band 2]? They have a similar sound, here check out this video of one of their songs."
      Me: "Wow, they're pretty good. Have you heard of [band 3]? Here's a link."
      Someone: "Thanks, I'll check them out."

      And viola, bands 2 and 3 have new fans.

      Incidentally, [band 2] and [band 3] are really great, you guys should check them out on YouTube.

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    2. Re:Beyond brilliant by Scrameustache · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I am speechless at the business acumen behind killing your number one free advertising site, the one that had no negative affect whatsoever on your sales

      I never bought as much music as I did during the napster days.
      I got to sample music I liked, instead of being subjected to the choices of our betters in the music industry, who get to chose what gets played on the radio.

      And this is the crux, it's not motivated by business acumen, but by a desire for control.

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    3. Re:Beyond brilliant by Xelios · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You listen to all your music on Youtube? I can't think of a single person I know who's playlist is comprised of links to Youtube videos. I also can't think of anyone who goes through the trouble of ripping the video from Youtube to rip out the low quality audio to put on their mp3 player.

      The issue of whether these people pay for the music later is separate from the fact that they learned of these bands through Youtube. What would you rather have as an artist? A fan who might buy your CD's or go to your concerts, or a person who doesn't know you exist?

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    4. Re:Beyond brilliant by Scrameustache · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Napster was what -- 8,9 years ago? That means you're almost a decade older now. People also tend to buy less music as they get older.

      People also tend to stop buying RIAA music almost entirely (I'm only human) as part of a conscious thought after being called a thief for daring to sample a product before deciding to buy it or not.

      I'm almost only buying straight from the artists now. Bonus: Autographs.

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  4. Re:Whatever happened to by LingNoi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not evil to delete people's videos off their own website because said person tried to bend the rules they agreed to when signing up.

  5. Better Approach by lobiusmoop · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It would be so much more fun if they just speeded up the videos and dubbed over the Benny Hill song (props to b3ta)

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  6. Old People by mfh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem with business is old people and I don't mean aged people just people with OLD IDEAS, like the captive audience. It's bullshit and it's gone. We are able to do anything with our constantly deteriorating free time, so why would we give YOU money when YOU treat us like we are criminals and not customers?

    We'll go somewhere else, do something NEW and leave you in the DUST.

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    1. Re:Old People by LingNoi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I know this is slightly off topic because it's about movies not music however I have to agree with this.

      Before the MPAA changed their website their about page was all about fond memories of going to the cinema as a kid to watch the black & white movies and about how movies should be enjoyed with a audience.

      Those days are over. This generation wants content when it suits them and doesn't want to go to a filthy room with over priced junk food. They want to watch the movies in their own home around their own schedule, where people aren't going to be talking in the movie or making noises munching on popcorn.

      I did a quick check and saw this..
      http://www.mpaa.org/AboutUsGlickman.asp

      It's about the current CEO of the MPAA. Lots of talk about how he has helped feed the worlds poor and how he is a political scientist. What about you know.. the damn movies?! The very core of the association's being and not one mention of why he loves movies or any experience he has in the area.

      In fact all the MPAA is (judging from the website) about copyright protection. This is a shame and they should really move on and consider why there is so much copyright infringement and how their association can provide the media for the generate of today, not the old fart generation of yesteryear.

      This most likely won't happen because from my point of view everyone at the MPAA has been replaced with lawyers and political scientists who are completely out of touch with the audiences of today. They can't even comprehend the fact that they need to change.

  7. Re:Cya You Tube by SterlingSylver · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And that place will be great until Warner threatens them and sues them out of existence. Youtube's playing by the rules set forth by copyright law. Copyright is the problem, here, not a silly video site.

  8. Well, their loss by vadim_t · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The right thing to do in this case is to comply with Warner's demand.

    Then go find some unknown artist that makes good music they don't mind to be heard more widely, use their stuff, and of course link the artist's website with a recommendation to buy their music.

  9. The DMCA is being heavily abused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Tons of DMCA requests are being submitted by scientology to take critical information off of the internet.

    It's a cheap quick easy way to take down information from unattended accounts.

    http://forums.whyweprotest.net/186-youtube-2008-edition/

    It's also an easy way for them to get the name & address of people who are critical of scientology.

    Nothing prevents them from using a fake name & address to submit false DMCA requests.

    Who here as the money to go head to head against scientology? Especially since their stated aim is not to win, but to harass.

  10. Good! by crhylove · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The more these media corporations and the RIAA crack down on online media, the more user generated and INNOVATIVE material will get room to breathe and kick the crap out of Blink 9,347, Miley Cyrus, and whatever disco/pop crap emo bullshit they are successfully peddling while piracy is still available.

    Warner is just painting itself into a corner, and I say GOOD. Fuck 'em. They haven't produced anything original or good in at least a decade, anyway!

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  11. Re:Whatever happened to by gilgongo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not evil to delete people's videos off their own website because said person tried to bend the rules they agreed to when signing up.

    No, but it's evil assist those who would seek to destroy our culture. This is the battleground: between greed and the preservation of our way of life.

    I'm not kidding, and a shitload of people agree with me

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  12. Re:Their site, their right. by dontmakemethink · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Buy a fish, take a picture of it beside your purchase receipt, then drop it in a lake. A fisherman catches it, you say "wait, that's my fish, here's my proof." Fisherman ignores you, cooks/eats fish. Even if it were a $1000 fish, no court would grant you compensation.

    Similarly, if you post your original content online, you effectively surrender it to public domain, including the possibility that it may become "unpublished". You've dropped it in a lake.

    What the RIAA refuses to accept is that their fish have been flooded by this ocean called the Internet, and they can't apply their archaic Elvis Presley marketing model anymore. They'd rather sue children than develop a reasonable way to market music in a connected marketplace. Their inability to adapt disqualifies them from the authoritative position they purport to have. It's all over but the crying.

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