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First Earth-Sized Exoplanet May Have Been Found
Adam Korbitz writes "New Scientist is reporting the extrasolar planet MOA-2007-BLG-192Lb — whose discovery was announced just last summer — may actually be the first truly Earth-sized exoplanet to be identified. A new analysis suggests the planet weighs less than half the original estimate of 3.3 Earth masses; the new estimate pegs the planet's size at 1.4 Earth masses. The planet orbits a small red dwarf star, some 3,000 light-years from here, at an orbital distance of 0.62 astronomical units, about the same distance as Venus from our sun. One significance of the planet's discovery is that it points to the probable ubiquity of smaller terrestrial planets in somewhat Earth-like orbits around red dwarf stars, the oldest and most numerous stars in the galaxy. Here is a video report from the discoverers."
Although this may be the first Earth-sized exoplanet, 335 exoplanets are already listed in the Extrasolar Planets Encyclopaedia.
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Using standard nomenclature, the star hosting the newly discovered planet is dubbed MOA-2007-BLG-192L with MOA indicating the observatory, 2007 designating the year the microlensing event occurred, BLG standing for bulge, 192 indicating the 192nd microlensing observation by MOA in that year and the L indicating the lens star as opposed to the background star further in the distance. The planet maintains the name but adds a letter designating it as an additional object in the star's solar system, so it is called MOA-2007-BLG-192Lb.
Hello MOA-2007-BLG-192Lb. How are you? We're fine thank you.
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but how do /.'ers figure out which is the actual link to the article.
Case in point this one. there are 5 different links which go to 5 different places. is there one link whihc goes to the actual article or is it just a mashup of information?
MOA-2007-BLG-192Lb ain't LV-426. If you know what I mean...
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it got plutoed http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=plutoed
I know the use of the term 'Earth-sized' brings more views, but hopefully the non-science/tech people out there reading it will realize that that is just a physical comparison and not a suggestion that life is present.
e.g. Venus is also 'Earth-sized' but is highly inhabitable (for life as we know it)
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As our techniques become more sophisticated, we will be able to find more planets of a comparable size to our own. Those 335 can be thought of as the 'first wave' of discovered exoplanets. Large bodies close to their parent stars. These planets are interesting for what they can tell us about how solar systems can form.
The next wave of discovered exoplanets will be smaller, say between the sizes of Venus and Neptune, and therefore far more interesting from the perspective of extrasolar life.
Why don't we figure out how inhabit to Venus and Mars first, and then look for things farther away? At 3000 light years, it's a bit too far to think of starting a settlement there.
Just because it's an earth-sized planet doesn't mean it's Earth-like. Red dwarf stars are very small (no more than half the mass of the Sun). They don't put out much energy so the habitable zones are very small and very close to the planet. Being so close to the sun makes it likely that the planet would be tidally locked (same side always facing the sun) which isn't so good for life. Finally red dwarf stars often have high stellar variation (sometimes fry you, sometimes freeze you), also not so good for life.
So exciting, but keep looking.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habitability_of_red_dwarf_systems
If you are familiar with the work of Charlie Lineweaver's group in AU, you would be aware that not only should Earth-like planets exist but that a significant number of them are older, and potentially more advanced than we are. This might then lead you to explore whether or not Matrioshka Brains (forms of civilizations significantly more advanced that our own exist.) And indirectly to an understanding that extremely advanced stellar civilizations have very different heat signatures (or detection signatures) from our own. Thus the detection of an earth-like planet is not that significant. The detection of a star going dark, signaling a civilization making a Kardashev-Type-I to a Kardashev-Type-II transition -- now that would be interesting.
Since the strength of the gravitational field of a planet is a factor of its mass, and the gravitational pull on the surface is in direct relation to the distance from the center of the planet... could it not be possible to have a planet the size of say, Neptune, with a geological makeup similar to the Earth, that has a lower mass and therefore the acceleration at the surface is exactly 1g (as we understand it here on Earth). That is within the bounds of physics, is it not?
Or maybe the effective gravity is stronger, but the planet spins faster. Faster days as well?
The problem I guess would be the existence of a formation process that actually creates a planet with such a large surface but happens to be mostly rock instead of mostly gas (supposedly gas giants are "failed stars"). If it has a molten iron core, would it not collapse in on itself?
Interesting, imagine a planet with the surface composition and atmosphere of Earth (and supposedly biomass) but 10 or more times the surface. That would be amazing.
Earth might be broken in some ways, but it is (most likely) a lot better environment than anything else out there. Earth is a far better starting position than Mars or whatever and fixing what's broken here would be far more achievable than trying to build a viable human-sustaining ecosystem on some other planet.
On the flip side, the spin-off technologies from making a sustainable habitat off planet would probably do wonders for improving the quality of life on planet. Everything from medical technology to air scrubbing and environmental cleanup, food and nutrition to understanding of local ecology and balancing it, energy technology to waste disposal and recycling, and probably much more.
"Empathise with stupidity, and you're halfway to thinking like an idiot." - Iain M. Banks
This must be the first Slashdot post with a GNAA subject line that's been modded "informative" in years.
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I'm used to size meaning volume...
Otherwise you might say a bullet is the size of 100 feathers...
I want to see video of the planet.
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I anticipate that someday science will advance to the point where ordering up your own private garden planet, and a fleet of intelligent and loyal robots to tend it for you, is considered routine. A wormhole network connecting your plant to a set of resource-rich sunless moons will be included at no extra charge.
Everyone will have eternal life and health, lots of friends, and be allowed by their doctors to drink all the ice tea they want.
But we still won't have flying cars.
Not necessarily. The problem is the "unthinking" masses of humanity. We have it really easy on Earth compared to the artificial environments that we would need to sustain ourselves in space. First we'll have to figure out a long-term approach for how to reliably protect our reproductive organs from ambient high-energy radiation once away from the Earth's magnetic field so that independent colonies don't get overwhelmed by birth defects. Eventually though, living in space would apply a whole new set of evolutionary pressures for survival and human space-farers would have to adapt. If we survive long enough to permanently colonize space, it would probably transform that part of humanity that would make it into space by making it much more aware of risk evaluation and risk taking, and general incompetence will get weeded out fairly quickly and ruthlessly by the ambient dangers of space.
It might take a few failed colonies at first, but eventually a society would evolve a way to ensure that happens. Perhaps mandatory civil service that involves external colony maintenance as a requirement for political office? Or maybe even the same for obtaining the voting franchise - a sort of Starship Troopers lite.
In fact, if you were a space-going race you probably wouldn't want to establish contact with a species that hadn't already gone through that winnowing out process. I would even go so far as to say that that difference might eventually lead to true divergence of humans into two species: the earth-bound and the space-faring.
If "we" get out there, the people that colonize another planet probably won't be the same "people" that are messing up Earth right now because those people wouldn't survive long enough to make it that far. Yeah, it's kind of an elitist view, but evolution is the ultimate meritocracy and, in very harsh environments, the people that forget that don't stay in the gene pool long.
Laissez lire, et laissez danser; ces deux amusements ne feront jamais de mal au monde. - Voltaire
Specifically, Earth biology wouldn't do well orbiting a red dwarf. Red dwarfs emit most of their energy via thermal convection, rather than (like our Sun) via radiation. This leads to lots of radiation bursts when convection cells reach the surface. At 1 A.U., no big deal. But, at an orbit close enough to keep - say - Earth as warm as it is orbiting the Sun, life would get hammered.
This isn't to say that *something* wouldn't evolve. It's just that at a basic level, it wouldn't resemble anything we're familiar with. And, given how long a red dwarf stays in the Main Sequence, there'd be billions upon trillions of years to simmer the soup 'til it was just right.
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This must be the first Slashdot post with a GNAA subject line that's been modded "informative" in years.
That's because all the new heres thought GNAA is the crossover interest organization of their dreams: the GNU Astronomy Association.
It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.
Which just goes to show the moderators either don't read or don't agree with the guidelines.
No, it goes to show what people will do for a cheap +5 informative. Why did the GGP post as a reply to the flame? To be at the top of the page. And what did his link to the 300+ planets have anything to do with TFA? That's a planet, these are planets, +5 Informative in no time!
I'm all for voting things up rather than down, but in cases like this, the entire thread needs to be modded to oblivion.
Agreed.
It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.
Or these colonists... let's call them 'pilgrims'... will become so in touch with deep space that they will be able to fly without the need for a nav computer.
Later a civil war will break out only to be interrupted by a viscous race of aliens bent on universal domination.
So a race of thick gooey beings is going to dominate the universe? What happens when you freeze them? Do they turn into popsicles?
Or duke nukem forever.
The Grey Goo disaster happened 3 billion years ago. This rock is covered in self replicating machines!
Uhh.. pardon me, who moderated this insightful?
All low-mass stars, including the Sun and ranging up to F-Type stars (about 1.7 times solar mass) have an outer convection zone (meaning that outside the core, and up to the surface, energy is transported by convection). There's nothing 'bursty' in that mechanism.
Hard radiation of low-mass stars is generated in the corona, which is heated by magnetic reconnection events (the magnetic equivalent of a short), leading to sudden release of the energy stored in magnetic fields. This is what is called 'stellar activity': starspots, flares, X-ray radiation, ...
Some red dwarfs are indeed much more active than the Sun, many are not. Activity is generally connected to the age of a star since magnetic fields are generated by a dynamo mechanism, and stars spin down slowly as they are aging, leading to a less efficient dynamo and a decrease of activity.
And, given how long a red dwarf stays in the Main Sequence, there'd be billions upon trillions of years to simmer the soup 'til it was just right.
life cycle of a red dwarf is around 100 billion years. trillions of years is out of the question. heck, the universe is only around 15 to 20 billion years old
The funny thing is that you were modded funny, but this argument is one of the best there is to explain the Fermi paradox.
Assuming intelligent races evolve independently all through the universe, what is the probability that a race without a highly evolved sense of ethics would have conquered and colonized our planet long ago?
I can see only two possible answers to the problem: either the probability of an intelligent species evolving is so extremely small that we are the first to appear in the known universe (or at least in our local galaxy cluster), or FTL exists and a prime directive is in effect.
Considering the amount of exo-solar planets being found, the number of planets seem very big. Considering our own planet system wasn't one of the first to appear, and that advanced animals already existed here 65 million years ago when they were wiped out by a freak accident, one should say that the probability of being the very first intelligent species doesn't seem to be that high.
Of course, there are other factors to consider. Maybe the moon was fundamental in the process of life arising, by keeping plate tectonics active, which causes a protective magnetic field to form in the earth. We don't know yet what factors are needed for life to exist, but at this time I wouldn't disregard the FTL + prime directive argument as just "funny".
Evolution will happen anyway based on who ends up living and who ends up dying.
If a sickly individual survives to procreate due to the medical technology of his culture, while a healthy one dies because his culture didn't have the medical technology to help him recover from a minor accident. Then the sickly individual's culture survives and grows while the healthy individual's culture has shrunk.
The determining factor of who lives and who dies in this case wasn't the health of the individual, but the culture's ability to provide medical support. If this trend continues, then cultures that can successfully provide medical support will thrive while those that can't, will dissolve. If medical support grows into a burden that drags down the society, then selection based on health may come back into play.
Potential for intelligence and social cooperation leading to technological advances is a trait which yields the benefit of medical technology. Being healthy enough not to get sick is a different way to get around the problem. Natural selection will still guide evolution in this case.
You could even see the medical technology as an evolved immune system for the cultural entity.