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Belkin's President Apologizes For Faked Reviews

remove office writes "After I wrote about how Belkin's Amazon.com sales rep Mike Bayard had been paying for fake reviews of his company's products using Mechanical Turk, hundreds of readers across the Web expressed their outrage. As a result of the online outcry, Belkin's president Mark Reynoso has issued a statement apologizing and saying that 'this is an isolated incident' and that 'Belkin does not participate in, nor does it endorse, unethical practices like this.' Amazon moved swiftly to remove several reviews on Belkin products it believed were fraudulent. But now fresh evidence of astroturfing has surfaced, by the same Belkin executive."

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  1. Ah, yes, Belkin... by SIGBUS · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...the same folks that gave us the spam router. Why am I not surprised?

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  2. isn't the statement contraditroy? by quickOnTheUptake · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Belkin does not participate in . . . unethical practices like this."
    paraphrase: We don't do what we just did.

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    1. Re:isn't the statement contraditroy? by sedmonds · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Like many businesses these days, the "unethical practice" isn't the underhanded, slimy, douchebaggery. The unethical practice referred to is getting caught. Anything it takes to raise short-term stock prices!

    2. Re:isn't the statement contraditroy? by Mechanik · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Belkin does not participate in . . . unethical practices like this."

      Emphasis mine. His statement doesn't preclude them participating in other unethical practices.

  3. This is why scruples are good by Mr.Zuka · · Score: 5, Interesting

    We've seen this over and over recently for companies and politics. Some underling gets caught doing underhanded stuff, the company/government hang them out to dry, then it comes to light they knew about it the whole time.
    Just remember this the next time your boss asks for something ethically questionable but says they will take full responsibility.

    1. Re:This is why scruples are good by thue · · Score: 5, Interesting

      But Belkin has not even hung him dry. They have not fired the guy, as far as I can tell.

    2. Re:This is why scruples are good by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That why if you are doing something that seems ethically questionable make sure there is paper work to back it up. Even an email from your boss saying its OK we will handle it. Prevents you from getting hung out to dry.

      But for most cases it is more of the sin of not doing anything to stop unethical behavior from the underlings who are fighting for their way up.

      Some sales middle manager, trying to boost his amazon sales pays people to write good reviews, he didn't ask for permission. However after a couple of weeks upper management finds this out. The don't formally promote this, or tell others to do the same... However the sin is that they didn't do anything to stop it quickly.

      Remember it is easy to talk about ethics when you are not benefiting from the breaking of ethics. However if you are benefiting from it it takes a really big person to stop it. Remember the name of the ethics watch dog of the early 2000's Mr. Spitzer then found doing some unethical things himself.

      We really need some reward system for companies and government who follow good ethics, and stop bad ethics in their company early and deal with it responsibility. The problem now stopping bad ethics early will still look bad to your company and they will fail to get the benefit of the unethical behavior. But if we can find a fair reward system for good ethics and dealing with problems where the company can benefit from this then you will see real ethics. Not because we make bad people good. Just because it pays better to be good then bad.
      In time we will have good ethics being a norm, but it will take work and find the business equivalent of Heaven and Hell, where good behavior gets rewarded and bad gets punished. Right now we only punish bad behavior so it makes it a case of lets not get caught. By putting a reward system in place then we can have people going out of their way to be good (and proving it)

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    3. Re:This is why scruples are good by deKernel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      To be honest, there is already a "reward" system in-place. It is to both not buy from the company that is acting in a questionable fashion AND write a letter or send an email letting them know why you are not buying their product. The last action is just as important as the first in that you are letting them know why they are not getting a sale out of you.

      The system might not have the immediate gratification, but it does work in the long run.

    4. Re:This is why scruples are good by twistedsymphony · · Score: 3, Interesting

      We really need some reward system for companies and government who follow good ethics, and stop bad ethics in their company early and deal with it responsibility

      That's easy... start an ethic certification process... similar to the ISO certifications...

      The company develops an ethics plan then pays you thousands to audit and certify them.

      If you play your cards right no one will want to be stuck doing business with a company that isn't certifiably ethical, nor will consumers want to buy from one... and you'll get rich in the process.

      Selling your approval... now THATS Capitalism.

  4. "I can truthfully say I'm very sorry . . . by ZorbaTHut · · Score: 5, Funny

    . . . that you found out. So very, very sorry. Luckily, we've stopped doing it now! So you can stop looking. There's nothing else to find."

    "Goddammit, I told you to stop! I'm sorry you found out about this one also!"

    Yeah, I'm sorry too, Belkin. After the whole spam router thing I stopped using your products for a few years, but then thought, hey, sometimes people screw up. Mistakes were made, I haven't heard anything bad about them for a while. Why not?

    Well, now I know why not. One time is a mistake, two times is a failure to learn, three times is waiting for you to let your guard down to sneak a fast one past again. Won't make that mistake again!

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  5. I enjoy at least 1 Belkin product by SupremoMan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I enjoy at least 1 Belkin product: Nostromo SpeedPad n52

    And while Belkin does not pay me, I can say good things about it. I think it's their most popular product, as it's a big hit with the WoW crowd as well.

    1. Re:I enjoy at least 1 Belkin product by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hey! What's that green paper you just stuck in your pocket!

  6. Is this real or fake like the product reviews? by VinylRecords · · Score: 5, Funny

    How do we know this was the real President of the company and that it wasn't some actor hired to do a fake apology?

  7. Fool me once.... by WCMI92 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Once could be an "isolated incident". But this is the second big scam involving Belkin, in the wake of the router that basically had built in adware...

    Seems to me that Belkin has a culture of corporate corruption over there. The best way to assure us that they have realized their mistake and to correct the problem is for heads to roll. Seems to me they have corrupt management. That needs to go.

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  8. Regularly scheduled "isolated incident" by jridley · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They're so full of crap. It's funny how Belkin has "isolated incidents" seemingly several times a year. They obviously have a corporate environment that breeds this sort of thing. I put them on my "evil company, do not buy" permanent list when the news of the spam router came out back in 2003, and haven't bought so much as a cable from them since.

  9. Apology accepted! by myram · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Now, where's my money?

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  10. Fraud charges? by schwit1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is the FTC looking into this? Who's the new head of the FTC in the Obama admin?

  11. RTFA PLEASE! by db32 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ok, look, it is great this story broke and the CEO apologized. But now, the new claims all center around a username that matches this guys real name. Now, it could be legitimate, but this is f'ing slashdot of all places and you are going to immediately accept "well the online nickname matches his real name, it must be him" like the same bunch of morons that sees "Obama caught naked with Bush daughters" in their Inbox and thinks "Well, it must be true, I gotta see this" and clicks on the link. Seriously... I mean...wouldn't it be a pretty good stunt for some internet troll to use that guys name to post positive reviews in light of the original claims? Just because the story didn't gain traction right away doesn't mean other people didn't also know about it before the story DID get widespread coverage.

    How the hell is slashdot going to link front page "HAHA caught again" to a damned blog that says "well the user's nickname matches the sales guy, it MUST be him". Now, I'm not even saying it isn't him, it is entirely possible he is that much of a dumbass and I wouldn't be terribly surprised if it was him. However, calling that article "Fresh evidence" is a pretty far stretch. "Suspicious behavior" maybe, but "fresh evidence of wrongdoing" is a bit of that guilty until proven innocent that only seems to be OK when being applied against people you don't like.

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    1. Re:RTFA PLEASE! by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 5, Funny

      Oh, sure. Just go ahead and ruin all of our Belkin-bashing fun with your "logic" and "reason"! Pffft! :-P

  12. Re:Why blame them ? by Timothy+Brownawell · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It is not illegal and has the same morality as a regular advertisement IMHO.

    A regular advertisement is something you know is paid for, so you know it's one big lie-but-not-as-the-FTC-defines-it. The thing with these reviews is that they're actively interfering with the spread of accurate information (note that accurate information is rather critical to the proper functioning of markets), rather than just spewing their own obvious garbage that people can know to ignore.

  13. They never do what they just did. by riggah · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Belkin's president Mark Reynoso has issued a statement apologizing and saying that 'this is an isolated incident' and that 'Belkin does not participate in, nor does it endorse, unethical practices like this.'

    Phew, for a second I thought I was going to have to use some doublethink to convince myself that Belkin didn't do exactly what he just claimed they never do!!!

    Mr. Reynoso's apology means nothing. He's only sorry because they were caught; as with most people.

    It doesn't matter if they apologize because a business that engages in that sort of unethical behavior will not hesitate to do it again (unless it effects their pocketbooks, in that case they'll just be more careful to not be caught). Once a cheater always a cheater.

  14. unendorsed? I don't think so. by kimvette · · Score: 4, Insightful

    'this is an isolated incident' and that 'Belkin does not participate in, nor does it endorse, unethical practices like this.'

    Excuse me, INAL however I seem to remember when ethics were discussed way back in college that when one acts as an agent of the company, one is acting on behalf of the company in a legal sense. Therefore, since the exec was repeatedly buying reviews I would hardly consider it to be an "isolated incident" (an isolated incident would be asking a friend or neighbor to write up a review in exchange for a round of beers, for example). Also, I would consider that since a Belkin exec was buying those reviews and encouraging this unethical and immoral behavior, it is wholeheartedly officially, if surreptitiously, endorsed by Belkin.

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  15. I loved this article 5 Stars by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I found this /. article very useful and informative. I road tested it on my iPhone and it exceeded my expectations. It exceeded my expectations and was a lot of fun to use. Works with my hard drive, too.

    Five stars.

    CDR Taco, where's my 65 cents?

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  16. He gets paid $.65 for every apology he makes! by arfonrg · · Score: 4, Funny

    He gets paid $.65 for every apology he makes!

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