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Energy Star Program Needs an Overhaul

Martin Hellman writes "DeviceGuru.com ran my piece raising questions about the EPA's Energy Star program. For example, an Energy Star compliant TV that claims to draw 0.1 watts in sleep mode appears to do that — but only seems to sleep about 25% of the time that it is 'off.' The other 75% of the time it draws about 20 watts, for an effective sleep power draw from the user's perspective that is 150 times what the manufacturer claims. Based on the observations described, it is also questionable how many PC's really are sleeping when their screens are blank, even if the user has turned sleep mode on. Given the billions of dollars and tons of CO2 that are at stake, this situation demands more attention."

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  1. Re:Phantom power has it's use. by LWATCDR · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why the heck does a TV need to download the time or background data or Boot up?
    For the remote you could just have a very low power pic listen for the remote and turn the the set. user a super cap to run it and every few days if you don't use the TV have it power it's self up and charge the cap.

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  2. Re:Phantom power has it's use. by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Informative

    but it can be darn near zero.

    The energy to power a tiny pic and a IR reciever to initiate the power up sequence is less than 100mw This can EASILY be done. They choose not to because it's far easier and cheaper to do it with the main processor. or In most Cable boxes case, simply turn off the screen and led's The comcast cable box really does not turn off, it simply blanks the screen and turns off the led display. This is a pain in the arse for us integration companies as you cant detect power draw to detect if a low grade device is on or off. (high end devices have discreet on and off IR signals or RS232 control)

    The manufacturers want to save $2.95 per device made and refuse to have a discreet "on" response circuit that will allow the set or device to completely power down. but then most manufacturers are too cheap to properly design the hardware for remote control anyways. Not having discreet codes is simply shoddy workmanship.

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  3. And What Part of This is News? by twmcneil · · Score: 5, Informative
    The Energy Star Program has needed an overhaul since the day of inception.

    From http://www.energystar.gov/ia/partners/product_specs/eligibility/tv_vcr_elig.pdf

    4) Test Methodology: Manufacturers are required to perform tests and self-certify those models that meet the ENERGY STAR guidelines.

    Self-Certify? You've got to be kidding.

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    1. Re:And What Part of This is News? by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Informative

      This is just like the IRS... you're expected to report income and deductions and self-certify your filing. If the government thinks you got it wrong, or just picks you out of a hat, they audit. If they allege you cheated, you're on the defensive.

  4. Re:Phantom power has it's use. by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So, unplug and replug your TV every time you want to watch it. I honestly don't care if my TV uses 20 Watts when it isn't turned on or not, that is a rather insignificant part of my electric bill for a major part of my (and most people's) life.

    At 15 cents per kWh, that's $26 per year. That's like having to buy a case of beer for your TV every six months.

    If it's technically feasible to have the TV *not* consume 20W, I'd prefer to keep the beer money for myself.