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Obama Looking At Open Source?

An anonymous reader writes "'The secret to a more secure and cost effective government is through Open Source technologies and products.' The claim comes from one of Silicon Valley's most respected business leaders Scott McNealy, a co-founder of Sun Microsystems. He revealed he has been asked to prepare a paper on the subject for the new administration."

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  1. Open source has been "looked at" by daveschroeder · · Score: 5, Informative

    In just the Intelligence Community alone, there is great support for open source software and open standards and protocols.

    As part of Community-wide tools and services, the Intelligence Community takes advantage of:

    - MediaWiki for Intellipedia
    - WordPress for blogs
    - Jabber (XMPP) for instant messaging
    - Zimbra for enterprise email
    - Linux, Apache, MySQL, and PHP to support and provide many of these services
    - LDAP backends for single signon and other authentication tasks
    - RSS for blogs, social bookmarking, news feeds, realtime information, etc
    - Open APIs and standards whenever possible

    All of these services and tools are available via a suite called Intelink, and are available to all 16 Intelligence Community components, the military, federal government, and law enforcement and homeland security partners at the state and local levels. They are accredited for use for information anywhere from UNCLASSIFIED to TOP SECRET/SCI, and everything in between.

    For the last few years, the Intelligence Community has not only "looked at" open source, but has embraced it with open arms. In fact, the information sharing supported by these tools was listed as one of the major achievements during the tenure of DNI Mike McConnell.

    Open source works, and has allowed the Intelligence Community to rapidly provide a secure and robust suite of tools to its personnel, easily respond to changing requirements and requests, and all for far less money and far more flexibly than many commercial solutions. And the Intelligence Community isn't alone.

    1. Re:Open source has been "looked at" by oodaloop · · Score: 5, Informative

      I also work in the intelligence community, and agree that things like Intellipedia and Jabber show a top-down push for open source. But then everywhere I've worked we have Windows machines with Office, MS servers, hell even CENTCOM is going to Vista for some reason. Many of the key programs we use for intelligence analysis are closed-source proprietary programs, like Analyst's Notebook and ArcGIS. Even where there's communal unclass machines, they run Windows XP and Office, despite it being the perfect place for Linux or at least Open Office. There's been some great strides moving towards open source, but we have such a long long way to go.

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    2. Re:Open source has been "looked at" by daveschroeder · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I would say that depending on where you are, there's certainly no question that there is a lot of Windows on the desktop. There are many reasons for this.

      The main place where open source shines is in central service delivery...the client is irrelevant. The client piece is more complicated: sure, you can argue cost benefits for running Linux on the desktop, but even on the unclass side, there are still practical benefits to using a commodity OS. Some of it is management, some of it is tools. A lot of it comes back to familiarity of the user...in that setting who doesn't know Windows and Microsoft Office?

      I don't think open source on the desktop is the place to start. The place that open source software can make the most impact and positively affect the most people, at present, is on the server and service end of things.

    3. Re:Open source has been "looked at" by Dun+Malg · · Score: 4, Informative

      If that's the case, then please send me all the source code to every Open Source program the "Intelligence Community" uses. I mean, it's truly Open, right?

      Don't be daft. It's "open source" in that the client--- in this case the US gov't--- has complete access to the source code, not that every drooling twit with a web browser can download a tar.gz of it from the DOD. The "open" in "open source" has always been relative to the end user.

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    4. Re:Open source has been "looked at" by jonaskoelker · · Score: 5, Informative

      If that's the case, then please send me all the source code to every Open Source program the "Intelligence Community" uses. I mean, it's truly Open, right?

      When the Intelligence Community distributed to you software under the GNU GPL (v2), they gave you either

      1. The source code;
      2. A written offer to give anyone the source code (valid for at least three years); or
      3. The instructions you need to get the source code [see the GPL for details].

      If you want the source, you have the means. Use them, mm'kay? ;)

      If the object code you got is under a non-copyleft license (such as the X11, MIT or BSD), no one is required to give you anything.

      If you want to learn more, I can recommend http://www.gnu.org/philosophy, http://www.gnu.org/licenses, http://www.opensource.org/ and http://www.debian.org/social_contract among others.

      Open Source doesn't mean you can point at anyone who uses it and say "give me that code". It means that they, in some cases, can point at the people who gave it to them and say "give me the code for that".

      I hope I've cleared things up a bit, and keep on lovin' the open code :)

    5. Re:Open source has been "looked at" by PrescriptionWarning · · Score: 4, Informative

      Having used a linux desktop for both work and at home now for everything I do for 3 years now (except gaming, in which Windows' painfully slow start up time constantly draws my ire), I have to say I'm pretty pleased with how fast day-to-day operations are, even in Gnome on Ubuntu. Programs open much faster, and with the help of the preload readahead daemon the subsequent times I open Firefox or even Lotus Notes are blazing fast. The fact is once you get the system set up the first time, hopefully with as little pain as possible when it comes to things that tend to not always work out of the box such as wireless and sound, there's nothing else in your way between you and your internet surfing, chatting, music listening, iPod syncinc, and about everything else most people need a desktop OS for. I think maybe some people expect more from Linux than what they expect to be able to do from Windows and perhaps that is what causes such misconceptions.

    6. Re:Open source has been "looked at" by AG+the+other · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That is a huge change. When I was working for the Arkansas National Guard it was against army regulation, 25-2 if I remember correctly, to use any open source software on government computers.

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    7. Re:Open source has been "looked at" by Bob9113 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Don't be daft. It's "open source" in that the client--- in this case the US gov't--- has complete access to the source code, not that every drooling twit with a web browser can download a tar.gz of it from the DOD. The "open" in "open source" has always been relative to the end user.

      And what's more, when they do make a solid enhancement, they have given back (at least once). Here's a damned fine contribution:

      SELinux - From our NSA.

    8. Re:Open source has been "looked at" by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      "...in that setting who doesn't know Windows and Microsoft Office?"

      Well, at least with Office, it may no longer be the case.

      While I've admittedly not been using MS products that much the past 3-4 years, in the past when I needed to do a quick word or excel doc, I could do it pretty quickly...like you said, you just 'know' it.

      However, at my new gig...I was given a laptop with what I think is Office 2007....the one with the 'ribbon'? I swear, I'm still fairly lost on this thing...it took me an actually bit of research on the web to find the menu for a 'save as' option. I mean, it just wasn't intuitive for me to click that big round dot thing on the top left. I was looking for a normal menu option.

      IMHO, this was a huge mistake for Office. I'm fairly computer literate...and it took ME some time to find things. I feel sorry for the secretary that isn't really computer savvy.

      So, at this point with what MS did to Office and the complete change of menuing system, with no way to switch to classic mode...it might actually be easier to get people to use OO or something like it that more closely resembles MS Office classic..than current version of MS Office do.

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    9. Re:Open source has been "looked at" by spvo · · Score: 2, Informative
      I doubt that is an actual army policy. From my experience, even though the majority of the software was proprietary, open source software was allowed and frequently found on the computers.
      I looked it up anyway and one part of AR 25-2 says:

      Use of "open source" software (for example, Red Hat Linux) is permitted when the source code is available for examination of malicious content

    10. Re:Open source has been "looked at" by andydread · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I have migrated several clueless windows users to Linux and I can say from real world experience that anyone can use Linux if all they do is browse the web. The problem comes in when people expect to do what they are able to do on windows and they cannot. This Christmas season the unexpected rared it's ugly head. My Neighbor got an Ipod and she tried to load Itunes to get her cds on her Ipod. No go. She had to call me and I had to dig into forums to get it going with Songbird. Songbird kicks ass BTW. Another user calls me up saying their daughter just gave them a digital picture frame. So they can see their grandkids. Guess what? they tried to load the software that came with it. When that didn't work they were lost and stuck. Another user called me up with a Garmin GPS that they could not update and another with a TomTom GPS that will not update on Ubuntu. Then I have one lady that brought home a perfectly good Lexmark laser printer from work. They bought a new printer and gave her that one for free. Well it won't work on her PClinuxOS. I can tell users till I am blue in the face to do their research before they get hardware for the Linux PCs but I can't control the presents and gifts that others buy them. This is a BIG problem. I keep getting asked "Why won't iTunes work on Linux? It works on windows?" On the flip side, a nursing home near me got 8 PCs donated to them. I got there to install them and they had pirated versions of WinXP with a message "This version of windows is not genuine" etc. I told them to buy WinXP pro for 8 computers at $199.00 each plus AV etc. They balked at the price tag so I put Ubuntu on all the the PCs. They called me 2 months later. They had 2 more WinXP PCs donated to them. But they had Legit versions of XP on them and were pretty clean of crapware so I told them I'll just connect the PCs as is and I did. They called me back a month later complaining about the 2 windows PCs. What was the complaint? The residents "Old people" did not want to use the windows PCs because they were already used to the Ubuntu PCs and said "It was too hard" compared to Ubuntu "Icons were too small" "Cannot zoom desktop"(compiz zoom feature) etc etc. The list went on and on. The elderly residents just could not go from Ubuntu to windows after using it for just 2 months. No one would go near the windows PCs. so I had to go back and wipe perfectly legitimate versions of XP of the 2 boxes and put Linux on those too.

    11. Re:Open source has been "looked at" by slazzy · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wifi, suspend, standby? Sounds like Ubuntu is ready for the desktop, just not the laptop :)

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    12. Re:Open source has been "looked at" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Why run cables when you don't have to?

      a) cables are harder to tap/snoop/crack than wi-fi
      b) cables use less power, have more bandwidth, and are less prone to interference
      c) less unnecessary ambient EM radiation.

  2. Eh. It was about time by unity100 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    after numerous asian countries, and germany, france, all looking into, and some moving some state governments entirely to open source.

    1. Re:Eh. It was about time by mweather · · Score: 4, Funny

      Everyone will get it right but the US will screw it up?

    2. Re:Eh. It was about time by multisync · · Score: 4, Informative

      And it'll work about as well as the switch to metric, too.

      The switch to metric worked just fine for the countries that did it. In fact, the only confusion that exists is a result of the fact that some countries have chosen to hold out.

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    3. Re:Eh. It was about time by stuntpope · · Score: 3, Informative

      The DoD put out several papers on using Open Source dating back several years. I believe one was mentioned on Slashdot at the time.

      Here is one from 2006.

      I've been using almost all open source, both for architectural solutions and for custom software, in DoD since joining in 2005, and I know there are plenty of others doing the same.

    4. Re:Eh. It was about time by jabithew · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You mean the US, Myanmar and Libya?

      Since scientific and engineering literature is almost always published in SI now, even not having the Yanks on board doesn't really matter to the rest of the world.

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    5. Re:Eh. It was about time by 5KVGhost · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And Great Britain, which refused to give up pints even under the withering glare of EU bureaucrats.

      Most of us yokels here in the US regularly use and encounter both the metric system and traditional units. Converting is not difficult. Both systems being utterly arbitrary, we just prefer to choose whichever units are most convenient to the circumstances. Rather than, say, enforcing utterly stupid laws that seek to criminalize selling goods in unsanctioned weights and measures. We're just funny that way.

  3. Yeah. by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Next week: Steve Ballmer himself visits the White House...

  4. McNealy? by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I was starting to write here that McNealy is an odd choice for this, since he was somewhat dragged kicking-and-screaming to OSS.

    But thinking about it, I actually can't think of a better choice. I can understand the administration wanting a "red blooded" businessman to write the paper rather than wild-eyed OSS advocate that might be less than objective about the pros and cons of OSS versus proprietary software. McNealy really does have a broad background... he's run a major business, he's sold proprietary software, and he's made major releases in OSS software.

    He's actually a pretty good choice.

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    1. Re:McNealy? by FatherOfONe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Is there really a better choice? Yes. Scott is tied to Sun, and I like Sun as a company, but you won't find another company short of RedHat that is pushing free software as much as Sun. Sun doesn't really care much about open source so much. They want whatever it takes to kill or bring down Microsoft AND perhaps more importantly sell their hardware.

      I am a HUGE fan of open source software and have switched most of a business to run on it. I am also a fan of Sun, but I have to admit that there are times when buying software or "proprietary" software is the right choice. As much as I hate dealing with the idiots that mandate "buy only Microsoft", I also don't like the idiots that say "only use open source".

      Having said all this, it will be interesting to see what the new administration does on this.

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    2. Re:McNealy? by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Careful consideration and healthy skepticism isn't really "Kicking-and-Screaming".
      I myself take open source by a need by need basis.
      I will use Photoshop over the GIMP
      I use Apache over IIS
      I use Linux for a server Mac OS X for a desktop.
      I prefer Microsoft SQL Server over MySQL ...

      Open Source has the Free as in Beer quality, as well they tend to have ports to multiple platforms, or soon will. Sometimes it is nice to go under the hood and add some hooks to get my job done better.
      However there are also a lot of Bad Open Source apps out there which will take me more time to make good that it would be cheaper to get a closed source version and deal with stuff I cant change.

      I personally don't like RMS vision of all software Free and Open Source, it has its place and its advantages. However we still need close source applications to drive the market. Running of a support model insures your software never gets easy enough to use without the support. Also close source software has the mix bag of PHB controlling the projects, which sometimes hinders it abilities, and sometime pushes people to do things they just don't want to do. "Oh that interface is difficult to use and not orders in the way that people use the app". Competition is good, competition only works well when we have an well educated consumers who can really balance the pro's and con's without falling into political nonsense.

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    3. Re:McNealy? by mweather · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sun's business didn't tank because of software, it tanked because of hardware.

    4. Re:McNealy? by jbolden · · Score: 3, Informative

      You are a little out of data. Snow Leopard server has ZFS as the default. They have also indicated they intend to make this move on the client OS very soon which probably means 10.7.

    5. Re:McNealy? by squiggleslash · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not to mention that McNealy is a blabbermouth who tends to exaggerate. Remember when he claimed that "ZFS will be the file system for OS X"? The reality was a little different,

      Sure was. McNealy never claimed ZFS will be the file system for OS X. That was Jonathan Schwartz. In other news, Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard) has read-only ZFS support, with a beta read/write file system module available, and a full ZFS implementation is part of the announced specification for Mac OS X 10.6 (Snow Leopard.)

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    6. Re:McNealy? by Davorama · · Score: 2, Interesting

      All that looks good except I'm curious why you would choose MSSQL. Did you consider PostgreSQL in your quest for pragmatism? Was it features, reliability, ease of use or something else?

      Just curious.

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    7. Re:McNealy? by Joey+Vegetables · · Score: 3, Informative

      I will second that . . . . Postgres is very close to an enterprise-class RDBMS, lacking only a very few features such as out-of-the-box replication (almost all of which exist from third party sources). There are multiple companies that offer commercial support. It has always been fast, featureful, and most importantly robust, but until recently the Windows versions had a reputation for being difficult to set up and configure. This has become much easier (almost effortless) in recent years, especially if you use PGAdmin or one of the other available GUI tools. I can't think of any situation in which I'd prefer MSSQL over Postgres. If you haven't checked it out I'd highly recommend it.

    8. Re:McNealy? by FiloEleven · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Have you ever read William James? I ask not only because of your incorrect statement about science and faith but because James is the man who came up with Pragmatism, and Obama is continually referred to as a pragmatist (in the historical rather than the pejorative sense). It is in our interest, then, to re-examine Pragmatism if we are to fully understand the decisions that President Obama will make, provided that he does in fact use the pragmatic test of truth. This isn't the place for such an undertaking and I don't have any books handy, so instead I will only tackle your statement, "that science doesn't require any blind faith," using a smattering of quotes from William James.

      Faith means belief in something concerning which doubt is theoretically possible.

      It is only by risking our persons from one hour to another that we live at all. And often enough our faith beforehand in an uncertified result is the only thing that makes the result come true.

      The statement in the second quote is especially important when considering science. When a scientist posits a hypothesis, he believes it to be true, or that there is a good chance that it is true. This faith, based on his previous experience, is what compels him to run experiments to test his hypothesis, which may turn out to be true or false. More fundamentally, he has faith that by experimenting he will be able to prove or disprove his hypothesis, or at least discover whether or not it is provable at this time, even though the only thing he has to go on is his personal experience.

      Our faith is faith in someone else's faith, and in the greatest matters this is most the case.

      Here we see that faith plays a role in science at a greater than individual level. Repeatability is well and good as a test, but one must have faith that testing was actually performed as reported, and accurate results obtained. A better example, perhaps, is when we accept the word of geologists that the rock in a certain area is X million years old. This statement is based on the faith that the geologist knows what he is about, and on his part, faith that the methods used by his testing equipment are sound, and so on. You also have faith that the scientific process will continue to yield practical results; otherwise what would be the point? "In its most extreme form, scientism is the faith that science has no boundaries, that in due time all human problems and all aspects of human endeavor will be dealt and solved by science alone." (source: wiki::scientism)

      You may complain that I have been discussing "faith" while what you wrote is "blind faith." The truth is that there are individuals who take the existence of God on blind faith, that is, solely on the faith of others, and there are other individuals who take the truths found by science on blind faith. Yet just as there are also individuals who take science on informed faith, that is, their own experimentation, so too are there individuals who believe in God based on informed faith. What informs them is their own spiritual* experience, and though that may never satisfy you it certainly satisfies them. It is the divergence of experience that explains why believing in God is an option for some and not for others; it is the same thing that allows you and I to see the same film at the same time in the same theater and come out with opposite opinions as to its worth.

      Science tells us a lot about the universe in which we live; I do not intend to dispute that by pointing out the role that faith plays in science. I do not intend to defend any religion in particular, either, only to defend the option of choosing to follow a religion without being viewed as somehow inferior to or less intelligent than those who choose no religion.

      One final message from James quite nicely sums up the difference between science and reality:

      Knowledge about life is one t

  5. Scott McNealy? Funny, that. by Noryungi · · Score: 2, Funny

    You mean, this Scott McNealy? The one who said Linux is for hobbyists, not enterprise?

    Teh funny, it hurts. I even think it's called "eating crow" in U.S.

    When you can't beat 'em... Right, Scott?

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  6. They are free to use it, of course. by John+Hasler · · Score: 4, Funny

    Let's just hope they don't try to "help".

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  7. Re:Yeah.To answer a request for bid... by zappepcs · · Score: 2, Funny

    The summary goes something like this:

    This Whitehouse Administration is seeking a x86-64 64 bit computer operating system (OS) that is free of cumbersome and expensive licensing issues, can be secured and is not vulnerable to Windows security flaws, and which the Whitehouse Administration IT department can view, modify, and re-issue the source code in compiled form. ....

    My understanding is that the maintenance staff at the Whitehouse are currently working 24/7 to secure any chairs that can be picked up by a single person. ....

    In other news, the New president has asked for help installing Seti@home in the Oval Office, and has personally initiated communication with Adobe because he can't view the Zebruder Youtube videos on his laptop.

  8. Obama should meet Stallman by cryfreedomlove · · Score: 5, Funny

    I surprised that Obama did not spend more time in his inaugural address on the differences between GPL and Berkely licensing. Oh well, hopefully Stallman will have the time to visit soon and set Obama straight.

  9. Fortune 500, Government, Big by xzvf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Open source is pervasive already in large companies and government. Not as pervasive as Windows, but a significant and growing proportion of their infrastructure. The real weak target markets are small and medium businesses and governments, where open source adoption requires a zealot like champion. The main problem here is ISV's which have a great deal of influence over solutions and have no incentive to deploy open source. In fact they get a revenue stream from licensing proprietary software. For example Microsoft gives a 12% kickback for selling their products and a 6% renewal. Most other software companies have similar arrangements. So any open source solution an ISV may present reduces said ISV's profit margin on the deal unless it is made up on increased service fees. But as we all know, Linux and most open source software has a bad tendency to just work and has a lower need for staff than many proprietary solutions. So the only way open source gets into a small or medium organization is if it is customer driven.

  10. Re:The real secret...... by jedidiah · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The problem with the US Postal Service is not that it is being
    treated more like a business. Infact, that is the root of it's
    problem. They want to push this illusion that the Postal Service
    can or is self supporting.

    It is not and never was meant to be a clone of FedEx.

    It was intended to be a necessary public service, not an outlet for spam.

    The jokers in charge responsible for the current state of the postal
    service should be strapped down Clockwork Orange style and forced to
    watch "The Postman".

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  11. A better first step by Zolodoco · · Score: 5, Insightful

    might be to eliminate IT contracts for sensitive services and communications that have been awarded to foreign companies. Foxcom, an Israeli company, comes to mind. The government should handle its own IT, not contract it out, especially when it involves communications that could easily be used to gain leverage (read blackmail) and shift US foreign and domestic policy further against our best interests than we typically experience.

  12. Re:The sound you hear by internerdj · · Score: 5, Funny

    What's next, "Obama decides to eat breakfast" and we all drool and slaver over THAT piece of minutiae?
    Obviously you missed CNNs inauguration coverage yesterday.

  13. Oh rly? by meist3r · · Score: 3, Insightful
    From TFA:

    ...overall it has been estimated that the global loss due to proprietary software is "in excess of $1 trillion a year."

    That's the same kind of lame-ass no-evidence silly figure pushing that the RIAA and MPAA uses to sell their Anti-Piracy measures. I love Linux and I'd love to see it spread even more but this way of propagating it is just retarded. You get Microsoft software for your money, be that a good investment or not is your decision. It's clearly not a "loss" it's merely a costly under-utilization of alternatives.

    I tend to praise Linux and rant against Microsoft but this OSI guy Tiemann just blew the frame by using the same silly and faulty means of propaganda rhetoric. One thing I try to learn and live by is "Just because THEY do it doesn't mean we have to or even should do it too". By pulling figures out of his ass to make himself look more interesting he's not a single notch better than Microsoft with it's installbase or the supposed piracy figures by the media companies. That is just NOT the way to convince people of the right thing.

    1. Re:Oh rly? by Lalo+Martins · · Score: 2, Interesting
      But that's exactly the point. "Loss" here does NOT refer to price of acquisition. That would be "cost". In fact, for corporate or large-scale use, open source wouldn't even have lower cost, or not much lower, because you'd want to buy from Red Hat, Ubuntu, Sun, etc anyway, in order to have support.

      I'm not the OP and therefore I can't speak for him wrt what he meant; but if he read the same studies I read last week, and it sounds like he did, the "cost" refers exactly to what you're assuming it doesn't: vulnerabilities that are only closed too late; work-arounds for applications that don't do exactly what your company needs, for missing features, or simple bugs, that if you were using open source your IT team could correct in just a few hours; expensive boxes, and dead-tree manuals that nobody (ever!) opens; bribes and lobbying; money spent by the industry combating "software piracy"; the list goes on.

      What it doesn't include, and IMO it should, is long-term costs, like loss of innovation due to semi-monopolies, indoctrination of the young by pushing Windows and Office to schools / Photoshop to college students, etc.

  14. Re:The real secret...... by j79zlr · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The USPS is the only Government agency I can think of that actually makes a profit, albeit a small one, $45 billion industry with about $1 billion profit, but it is designed to break even. I still think that it is one of the best values out there. $0.42 and I can send a letter across the country in 3 days.

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  15. Re:Well if this economy needs anything right now by meist3r · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Go ahead mark me troll, but have any of you seriously given thought to what will happen if open source were to become the norm and all these people were out of work, being asked to volunteer the skills they once got paid for?

    Who says that Open Source has to be free? Seriously. This model is still completely misunderstood. Someone wants a specialized application for whatever ... they pay you to write it. You publish it under a license and share the code. That way you get money AND free input from the community. Sure there will be competing products that base on your code but look at the distro vendors. SuSe, Canonical, RedHat they all use more or less the same code and sell their specific very individual solutions.

    I can imagine what would happen if programmers were no longer bound to huge companies by NDAs and Non-Compete agreements and all code was open: We'd get a shit ton of awesome code to work with and all the brilliant results stemming from there.

    The difficult part is to change the perception of open source from the one like yours "Everything is free as in Beer and the brewer goes broke" to "Everything is free as in speech and you get paid for the quality and sustainability of your work". I wouldn't mind having companies go broke that re-release the same product year after year with little to no improvements. If there are other companies that do the job better and improve over time I guess it would only be fair. The current market is based on monopolism and power struggle between the monopolies. That's what has to change for FOSS to succeed and we need to start in the heads.

  16. Re:Yeah.To answer a request for bid... by kabocox · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The summary goes something like this:

    This Whitehouse Administration is seeking a x86-64 64 bit computer operating system (OS) that is free of cumbersome and expensive licensing issues, can be secured and is not vulnerable to Windows security flaws, and which the Whitehouse Administration IT department can view, modify, and re-issue the source code in compiled form. ....

    Well, open source generally isn't free. Some one else generally pays for it somewhere. I do think that it is 30-40 years past to do this though. The government "pays" for tons of software development just for it. There should be a push from top down that every spec that the feds push out to contractors makes the source, apis, file formats, all open as far as the government is concerned. If they pay your company 10 million and they turn in a half assed product, well instead of spending another $30 million at the same place trying to fix things, you could have other contractors fix it in theory.

    The government is still paying for development to be done somewhere by some one, but this time it knows to either own or open up the code, file formats, and APIs needed to get multiple contractors to work on it without being tied to any of them. That's the real benefit of open source to government. Of course, if the feds or states really wanted to be nasty or evil, they could just pass a law that said any software that the government runs has to turn over the source and be modifiable by the government. If the government really wants something, they can and will use eminent domain to take it away from those that currently "own" it.

  17. Good ole Gartner by Mateo_LeFou · · Score: 4, Funny
    'Meanwhile research firm Gartner has warned that the benefits of open source might not deliver unless properly managed.

    "Do not expect to automatically save money with open source software, or OSS, or any technology without effective financial management," said analyst Mark Driver. '

    ...no... it almost sounds like they're saying that if you want to save billions of dollars you have to do .. some .. (no!) ... work!?!?

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  18. Re:The sound you hear by jimicus · · Score: 2, Funny

    Obviously you missed CNNs inauguration coverage yesterday.

    Every UK news channel was equally sycophantic, and he's not even our president except by proxy.

  19. Re:News at 11: by Frankie70 · · Score: 3, Funny

    President Obama inquires as to whether to use white sheets or beige sheets

    Martha Stewart has been asked to prepare a report on that subject for the
    new administration.

  20. Re:The sound you hear by David+Gerard · · Score: 3, Funny

    I knew the BBC had completely run out of space filler when they started recounting Joe Biden's political career (not so much thirty years as one year thirty times over).

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  21. Re:The real secret...... by Rolgar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I work for the Postal Service as a contractor (Probably half of IT work in the USPS is done by contractors).

    The USPS employs at least 1 employee in every Post Office in the country, significant amounts of administration and behind the scenes operations to support its primary function. In many rural locales, the Post Office is the only presence the Federal Government has nearby, which is why draft registrations and passports involve the Postal Service.

    Now, if we get rid of the business that the Postal Service does handling junk mail, the cost of first class and package shipping will have to go up a significant amount to cover all of the costs to maintain that entire workforce. If bulk mail is half the cost of first class, and makes up 90% of the volume, then the cost of a first class stamp is going to have to go up to a $1.50 or more to make up the lost revenues. And if that happens, what will happen to the volume of first class mail and shipping packages? Would I love receiving less junk mail? Sure, but not at the cost of having to pay even more when I wanted to send something of my own.

    And, I do think Open Source would help a lot. Once government computers are on non-proprietary systems, every vendor will support it, which will mean drivers for hardware, and familiarity for regular computer users. Once people are familiar with it, they'll decide to try it at home, and their kids will grow up with it. And once it starts to grow that way, software (games and the stuff you see on the shelf at Best Buy) will be written for the *nix environments. Then people will be able to choose based on the merits of the Open Source systems instead of saying, 'Oh, I can't use Linux, because it doesn't have Photoshop.' Then, Microsoft and Apple will have to do some pretty significant things to compete, and if they can't, they'll eventually become the minor players in the market. Unfortunately, if that ever comes to pass, it will be at least 15 years away.

  22. Of course he is.. by G+Morgan · · Score: 4, Funny

    What do you think these calls for change were! You cannot change a proprietary program.

    Obama will bring change. IDE time outs will end. Gnome will be half way functional. NetworkManager will stop dropping my wireless signal.

    Change is coming my friends and I for one welcome our change bringing overlord.

  23. Re:common misconception by DaMattster · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I am as big a fan of Open Source as the next slashdotter, but there seems to be this feeling that because something is free or opensourced it is automatically better.

    No, that is not the point at all. You're missing the point. Free/Open Source has the greatest potential to be better because it gets extensively peer reviewed and improved and thereby debugged and tested far more than any for profit company could ever afford to. Open source also means open standards. It means that you can watch streaming video without having to use MS Media Player but in a standards compliant MP4, AVI, or whatever other format. An open source website uses a browser agnostic and not requiring Internet Explorer in order to view it properly. Finally, and perhaps the largest advantage of open source is that hardware becomes open again. By forcing open source compliance, hardware will now be truely owned by the consumer. The consumer will not be forced into using Windows (or some NDIS wrapper) because a manufacturer, such as Broadcomm, deems open sourcing its drivers to be anti-competitive despite the fact that its drivers must be standards compliant to interoperate with other products. I hope Obama and his CIO will force the use of open source software. We are in a dawn of a new era now wherein it will take the collective effort of everyone to raise our country out of the ashes of our former president. Open source becomes one of the vehicles for large scale, rapid improvements not seen since the new deal.

  24. Re:Well if this economy needs anything right now by Raffaello · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A significant problem with this model is that businesses with the resources to hire developers to program custom solutions often consider software, such as the custom solution they just paid for, to be competitive assets.

    Businesses rightly consider it foolish to give assets that they paid for away to their competitors. As a result, they will often be reluctant to pay for a custom solution only to have their competitors receive it for free.

    Consequently, they often choose to pay for custom solutions that are proprietary, so that their important IT business assets remain theirs and theirs alone. Alternatively, they will reach for proprietary, paid solutions ensuring that competitors who wish to use the same will incur the same costs. They'll then pay their own people or contractors to customize the proprietary solution, again, ensuring that the fruits of their investment in software accrue to them only and not their competitors.

  25. Re:No... by jo42 · · Score: 2, Funny

    "...have enough knowledge to be able to mess up Windows servers/desktops..."

    Fixed it for you.

  26. Re:You make it sound like that's a problem by nsteinme · · Score: 2, Informative

    Proprietary software IS the problem. The ideology IS the driving force; it is what makes open source software the best tool for the job. While of great benefit, the cost savings are a secondary motivation. See the following Peru-Microsoft letter for guidance.

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  27. That $600 toilet seat was the best for the job too by Rob+Y. · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm sure the military got great value on their $600 toilet seats. An excretory experience second to none. But if you're asking me to foot the bill, your ass can sit on the $19.95 job.

    While 'the best tool for the job' might actually provide a little extra productivity for a power user, forcing the entire population to use an expensive tool to write the occasional memo will counteract any such gains pretty quickly.

    Ideally, they'd demand a fully-compliant ODF office suite and then have the choice to give high-volume users a slightly better tool if they need it. But locking everyone into MS proprietary file formats throws that option out the window.

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  28. Scott Mcnealy? by psbrogna · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Isn't this a bit like asking the proverbial Kid in the Candy Store to design the alarm system?

    I certainly have a great deal of respect for Mr. Mcnealy, but I'm not sure that includes expecting him to objectively comment on MS's competition.

    I anxiously await his analysis. :-)

  29. code is law - law is readable by Christoph+Engemann · · Score: 2

    just like the law, the code that regulates our behavior and enacts our laws needs to be readable. without readability a society cannot decide and debate if its laws are just. the same holds true for code.

    nobody will trust an identity management system - and digital identity is going to be a big topic during obama's tenure - if it is not open source. even microsoft has long understood this. go read kim camerons 7 laws!

    one could carry this argument even further and include hardware. the dod already is debating policies in that direction, since they need 100% control over all their assets.

    diebold might eventually free the code in their voting maschines. but can we trust them when we don't know if something in their hardware changes certain bits?!

    so governments will move to open source software short term and probably towards open hardware in the long run.

    and on a side note: sun is pretty cheap right now. I wonder how long it will stay that way - their open source strategy is pretty compelling and covers everything from the desktop to the data-center.

  30. Re:Stuff that matters? by gujo-odori · · Score: 2, Insightful

    All torture on Cuban soil in this millennium has been done by American hands? Apart from that being an insupportable statement (there's no way you,or anyone, could possibly prove it), it's also highly unlikely to be true.

    The Cuban government, like totalitarian governments everywhere, keeps political prisoners. Even their normal jail conditions would probably constitute something pretty close to torture by our standards, without even delving into what they do there.

    That doesn't mean I support our current Cuba policy - I don't, and have long considered it foolish when we have normal diplomatic relations with totalitarian governments all over the world, including communist ones, and including communist ones with which we have engaged in shooting wars. Throughout the Cold War, we maintained full diplomatic relations with the USSR. Up until our entry into World War II, we maintained diplomatic relations with Germany, Italy, and Japan. There is no rational reason to maintain this policy towards Cuba.

    Why, then, do we do so? Because of the disproportionate political influence of Cuban-Americans, particularly in Florida. OK, for no reason that would appear rational to anyone but a politician :p

    Here in California, there are within the Vietnamese community a strong general dislike of communism and a small but vociferous hardcore anti-communist movement which still dreams of the overthrow of the communist government in Viet Nam. The government pays about as much attention to that movement (if you can even call it that) than do I, which is to say none whatsoever. I'm aware of its existence and I notice the old RVN flags that some people still fly on flagpoles in their front yards, but I pay no attention. Why is it so different with the Cuban community and their anti-communists? The communist takeover in Cuba happened a lot longer ago, and yet people seem to care about it so much more.

    It's time we stop caring about communism in Cuba, restore diplomatic relations, and get on with it. All we're doing in the meantime is denying a market to US business and tourism. However, to state tht the only torture being done in Cuba is being done by Americans is ridiculous.