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Google's PageRank Predicts Nobel Prize Winners

KentuckyFC writes "The pattern of citations between scientific papers forms a network that has remarkable similarities to the network formed by the web. So why not use Google's PageRank, the world's most effective search algorithm to rank these papers in the same way it ranks websites? That's exactly what a couple of US researchers have done for physics papers published by the American Physical Society since 1893 (abstract). The results make interesting reading because almost all of the top ten papers resulted in (or were linked to) Nobel Prizes for their authors. Which means that studying the up-and-coming entries on the list ought to be a good way of predicting future winners. Better get your bets in before the bookies get wind of this."

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  1. So does that mean... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    great minds think alike? Or does it just reflect what we like to see and how we like to think?

    1. Re:So does that mean... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Close... it means great minds are rewarded for thinking alike.

  2. Great, Just Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Preparing for an inundation of people citation bombing each other in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...

    1. Re:Great, Just Great by CompMD · · Score: 1

      You say this, and I imagine a Cessna Citation business jet armed with comically large bombs that it drops on scientists houses.

    2. Re:Great, Just Great by lakshmanok · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up. If 3 people just keep citing each other circularly (avoiding self-citations), the whole ranking collapses because all their papers will be artificially inflated. Accounting for this is quite hard because it will involve distinguishing between natural clusters (of top researchers working on a common topic) or citation gamers (aiming to boost their citation counts). Also, note in the TFA a graph with a parameter "d". That is basically slop. The authors simply changed the d until they could get a match for Nobel winners. Once you know what the answer ought to be, it's easy enough to manipulate a parameter like this.

    3. Re:Great, Just Great by mea37 · · Score: 1

      Of course, in the application of PageRank to general internet search, there is a clear economic incentive to game the system (and so sometimes you see it done).

      Why would anyone care enough where they land in a PageRank search of academic papers to game the system?

    4. Re:Great, Just Great by CaptCovert · · Score: 1

      Yes, because there's no real money in research, especially for those Nobel Prize geeks.

    5. Re:Great, Just Great by mea37 · · Score: 1

      "Money in research" != "money in gaming the PageRank"

    6. Re:Great, Just Great by Metasquares · · Score: 1

      When a search is performed for whatever the modern equivalent of radiation and x-ray crystallography* is, that person's paper would then pop up first, garner more citations, and potentially end up an authoritative source on the topic.

      *Take a look at the contributions of early Nobel winners in Physics.

    7. Re:Great, Just Great by wealthychef · · Score: 1

      Unless gaming the page rank becomes a mark of prestige. Prestige certainly does map to research dollars.

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  3. Since 1893 by A.+B3ttik · · Score: 0

    >That's exactly what a couple of US researchers have done for physics papers published by the American Physical Society since 1893

    I wasn't aware that Google's PageRank existed in 1893.

    1. Re:Since 1893 by Hordeking · · Score: 1

      >That's exactly what a couple of US researchers have done for physics papers published by the American Physical Society since 1893 I wasn't aware that Google's PageRank existed in 1893.

      It didn't. But they don't just throw away published papers. Those papers tend to sit around on a dusty shelf, forgotten in a library (unless they're really well-cited). Or in an archive (most likely).

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    2. Re:Since 1893 by A.+B3ttik · · Score: 1

      I think my joke went over everyones head. :-\

    3. Re:Since 1893 by Hordeking · · Score: 1

      It didn't, but it really wasn't all that funny, either.

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    4. Re:Since 1893 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It just wasn't funny...

  4. bets? by Cormacus · · Score: 1

    They take bets about this kind of thing?

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    1. Re:bets? by mewshi_nya · · Score: 0

      Sure, 20000000000000000:1 odds for myself, in economics, in the next 40 years.

    2. Re:bets? by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Informative

      They take bets about this kind of thing?

      Um, yeah, you would be surprised what offshore betting brings to the internet. My friend had money that Obama would say "Always bet on black" for his opening speech (paid 700:1) and that he would use the word 'banana' in his speech (paid 800:1). He lost them both. He also bets on every play during football games, especially returns. And he also bets on how long the national anthem lasts at the beginning of each game.

      I wish I could link you to the site but it's hard to get to.

      You may be able to say that there is always someone willing to quote you a line for anything anytime as long as they get a cut/rake.

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    3. Re:bets? by Otter · · Score: 2, Funny

      My friend had money that Obama would say "Always bet on black" for his opening speech (paid 700:1) and that he would use the word 'banana' in his speech (paid 800:1). He lost them both.

      Can I propose a simpler scheme where your friend just mails me money while being a racist nitwit? As long as that's his idea of a hobby...

    4. Re:bets? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They take bets about this kind of thing?

      Um, yeah, you would be surprised what offshore betting brings to the internet. My friend had money that Obama would say "Always bet on black" for his opening speech (paid 700:1) and that he would use the word 'banana' in his speech (paid 800:1). He lost them both. He also bets on every play during football games, especially returns. And he also bets on how long the national anthem lasts at the beginning of each game.

      I wish I could link you to the site but it's hard to get to.

      You may be able to say that there is always someone willing to quote you a line for anything anytime as long as they get a cut/rake.

      I don't know why, but I think you made this whole thing up. I don't doubt that there are places that take these kind of bets, you just write like a liar.

    5. Re:bets? by eldavojohn · · Score: 3, Interesting

      My friend had money that Obama would say "Always bet on black" for his opening speech (paid 700:1) and that he would use the word 'banana' in his speech (paid 800:1). He lost them both.

      Can I propose a simpler scheme where your friend just mails me money while being a racist nitwit? As long as that's his idea of a hobby...

      Sure, as long as you are willing to send him back several thousand dollars in the event of some highly unlikely event. It's called "gambling" and he loves the it. He's also Indian American and has a great sense of humor.

      Perhaps your "racism" comments would be more better directed at the Irish bookie making these offerings to the betting community? I think the "Obama Cliche Betting" section has most of what was being offered.

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    6. Re:bets? by hobbit · · Score: 1

      And you write like a coward. Why don't you read the link he provided?

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    7. Re:bets? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      intrade.com

    8. Re:bets? by VeNoM0619 · · Score: 1

      What will happen first under President Obama?
      4/6 American led signed cease-fire agreement between Israel & Hamas
      3/1 Full Troop withdrawal from Iraq
      8/1 Capture of Osama Bin Laden
      8/1 Online Gambling legalised
      10/1 Full National recognition of Same Sex Marriage
      12/1 Full Troop withdrawal from Afghanistan
      18/1 Legalisation of Marijuana
      20/1 Constitution changed to allow the President to serve 3 or more full terms
      25/1 Total ban of Capital Punishment
      50/1 Moonwalk confirmed as a fake by Obama
      100/1 Complete ban on privately owned guns
      500/1 Discovery of Aliens on Mars

      FUUUCK, your friend is gonna be sooo rich. We already found ice on Mars!

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    9. Re:bets? by RangerRick98 · · Score: 2, Funny

      "If someone gives you 10,000 to 1 on anything, you take it. If John Mellencamp ever wins an Oscar, I am going to be a very rich dude." ~ Kevin, The Office

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    10. Re:bets? by mpeskett · · Score: 1

      The part that bothers me is that the moonwalk being a fake is considered 10 times as likely as life on Mars.

    11. Re:bets? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it is merely 10 times as likely to have takers. The odds in horse racing are set such that the ratio of losing bets to winning bets is is slightly more than the payout ratio.

    12. Re:bets? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, the lottery offers me several million-to-one so I keep taking the bet but so far I'm several thousand down. Not sure this is good advice.

  5. movie-star by mmThe1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Did the star make the movie a hit, or did the movie make the star?

    For 'prediction' to be valuable, it has to work with citations that were linked *before* the paper got the Nobel.

  6. Nicola Cabibbo by apetrelli · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So even in this article Nicola Cabibbo demonstrated to deserve the Nobel Prize:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicola_Cabibbo

    1. Re:Nicola Cabibbo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is pretty obvious that Cabibbo's exclusion was politically motivated. If I had to guess, two factors that might have played a role in the decision are:

      • He's Italian, and Italy has a right-wing government.
      • He is the president of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences.
  7. More computer model dumb thinking by tjstork · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Let's see, so far, computer models have failed to accurately manage loan portfolios to higher risk buyers, failed to manage risk books for hedge funds, could not capture currency trading, can't predict the weather and are probably wrong about climate. Sure, let's have them predict nobel prize winners while we are at it!

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    1. Re:More computer model dumb thinking by deemen · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I hope they never award the Nobel Prized based strictly on this. It could be a good way of pointing people in the right direction, but it will also let in a bunch of crap.

      The last thing we need is scientists Googlebombing their papers (or creating junk networks to increase page ranks). I bet the Creationists would have a field day with this. "Look, our theories have scientific basis, check out our CiteRank".

      Technology is a tool, it should never replace human intelligence.

    2. Re:More computer model dumb thinking by Ed+Avis · · Score: 1

      Can't predict the weather? Weather forecasting is one of the few areas where computers have been an undisputed improvement. Short-term forecasts these days are pretty good ( has some information on ways the accuracy of forecasts can be measured).

      Weather is the odd one out because all the other variables are influenced by the prediction made. Expectations of risk (or correlation of currency movements, or default rates on loans) affect the actions of other players in the market. But weather forecasts do not affect the weather.

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    3. Re:More computer model dumb thinking by Zironic · · Score: 1

      There's nothing wrong with computer models, without them we'd never get any high end engineering done.

      However the model can't be better then it's underlying assumptions and here I think that they've confused the relationship.

    4. Re:More computer model dumb thinking by gad_zuki! · · Score: 0

      Are your crazy? The only way we're doing weather prediction is with computers. Its amazing how accurate we can get. It may not be up to the standards you have imagined in your brain, but here in the real world its pretty good considering.

      computer models have failed to accurately manage loan portfolios to higher risk buyers

      Garbage in, garbage out. If the algorithm is written in way that makes the same assumptions the bankers made (packing high risk nightmare loans with low risk loans == win) then you will get the same results.

      and are probably wrong about climate.

      Yeah, youre a troll.

    5. Re:More computer model dumb thinking by Hordeking · · Score: 1

      Let's see, so far, computer models have failed to accurately manage loan portfolios to higher risk buyers, failed to manage risk books for hedge funds, could not capture currency trading, can't predict the weather and are probably wrong about climate. Sure, let's have them predict nobel prize winners while we are at it!

      Actually, using it to predict Nobel prize winners would be a silly use.

      But it would be quite useful to allow scientists to focus their research, find all the tidbits, maybe shed some small extra bit that they may have missed otherwise.

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    6. Re:More computer model dumb thinking by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Let's see, so far, computer models *can* predict the weather and are probably *right* about climate.

      But unsurprisingly have failed to accurately manage loan portfolios to higher risk buyers, failed to manage risk books for hedge funds, could not capture currency trading, simply because they are not predictable because they are traded by panic driven, idiots who are swayed by rumour, non existent trends, and computer predictions!

      The predictable but complex is predictable, the unpredictable ... is unpredictable! no matter what the overpaid consultant says!

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    7. Re:More computer model dumb thinking by bsDaemon · · Score: 1

      panic driven, idiots who are swayed by rumour, non existent trends, and computer predictions!

      Sounds like we should be using Macs to predict the economy -- that's their main source of operating power anyway :-p

    8. Re:More computer model dumb thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, some mischevious scientists already game the system by citing one another's and their own papers in order to artificially inflate their citation stats.

      In fact there was an article on Slashdot about a particularly egregrious case in mathematics some time ago.

      Please pay attention.

    9. Re:More computer model dumb thinking by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      Let's see, so far, computer models have failed to accurately manage loan portfolios to higher risk buyers, failed to manage risk books for hedge funds, could not capture currency trading, can't predict the weather and are probably wrong about climate. Sure, let's have them predict nobel prize winners while we are at it!

      Well, it's certainly easier than trolling Nostradamus' quatrains in search of a prediction, now isn't it? ;)

    10. Re:More computer model dumb thinking by tjstork · · Score: 1

      Let's see, so far, computer models *can* predict the weather and are probably *right* about climate

      The reason I made the crack about the Climate was because the reason some of the long since resolved Mann controversy was because he used code that he also used for banking and thus couldn't share it. I don't remember the exact deal or even if it was true, but the thought inspired me to a joke, if it were true.

      So, if you can put aside your feelings about gw for a second, given that the left has so much riding on it, there's a pretty funny geek joke... the same buggy program destroyed capitalism first, and then liberalism second, and in a year from now all of our stock will be worth pennies on the dollar, unemployment will be 25%, and the Thames and Delaware will be both frozen solid, all because of a missing semicolon.

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    11. Re:More computer model dumb thinking by palegray.net · · Score: 1

      Are you seriously proposing that PageRank will be used to predict actual Nobel Prize winners? Wow.

      However, give the tech and networks behind such algorithms twenty years or so, and you'll probably find that human beings are no longer the most intelligent species on the planet.

  8. Or: International fame = more hits to your paper by taumeson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seriously, like this is some kind of weird correlation. No shit Nobel prize winning papers would have excellent page ranks.

  9. When they think we know, they change their mind by cefek · · Score: 1

    Yes, it happens all the time: the Swedish Academy can change their vote any time, if it feels pressed by the media.

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  10. Wrong assumptions by Vicarius · · Score: 1

    They assume that interest in someone's published work is the same whether they are Nobel prize winner or not. That is simply not true, papers written by Nobel prize winners will generate more links and have higher rating, just because they recently won the prize.

  11. What's Next? by Tablizer · · Score: 0

    "Google predicts your next bowel movement"

  12. Google Page rank and most frequent searches is Au by olddotter · · Score: 0

    I plan to do a blog post on this. I am seeing Google Meta-data being gold in more than just the ad revenue point of view. This data is showing up as useful predictors in medical research, and other fields.

  13. It sounds to me like "predict" is the wrong word by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    If you're going to say "predict," you have to look at only the citations that were made *before* the Nobel Prize was given. Otherwise, you're just proving that a Nobel Prize is a fantastic way to market your research.

  14. No Kidding by Jeff+Hornby · · Score: 4, Informative

    The algorithm for Google PageRank is based on the concept of citations from academia. If I remember correctly, the software was originally meant only to index academic papers and eventually grew to index the whole internet. So its not surprising that it predicts winners so well (depending on how much the Nobel committee weights citations in their decisions).

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    1. Re:No Kidding by bipbop · · Score: 1

      I'm impressed with your restraint. "Not surprising" is putting it a bit mildly. But maybe I'm just feeling grumpy this morning ;-)

    2. Re:No Kidding by blueg3 · · Score: 1

      I don't know how one is nominated for a Nobel, but I don't think the decision takes citations into account at all. However, influential works are both more likely to win a Nobel prize and more likely to be cited often.

      PageRank is very much like academic citation.

    3. Re:No Kidding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seems like it hasn't "pre"dicted anything - only "post"dicted.

    4. Re:No Kidding by elguillelmo · · Score: 5, Informative

      The algorithm for Google PageRank is based on the concept of citations from academia

      Exactly!
      Quoting from the original paper: "It is obvious to try to apply standard citation analysis techniques to the web's hypertextual citation structure. One can simply think of every link as being like an academic citation. So, a major page like http: www.yahoo.com will have tens of housands of backlinks or citations pointing to it" [L Page, S Brin, R Motwani, T Winograd. The pagerank citation ranking: Bringing order to the web ].

      the software was originally meant only to index academic papers

      That's not right. From the same original paper:
      "PageRank is a global ranking of all web pages, regardless of their content, based solely on their location in the Web's graph structure "
      Anyway you are right, and the article's idea sounds way too old: probably an example of two research communities (physics & citation analysis) not knowing too much of each other

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    5. Re:No Kidding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The algorithm for Google PageRank is based on the concept of citations from academia. If I remember correctly, the software was originally meant only to index academic papers and eventually grew to index the whole internet. So its not surprising that it predicts winners so well (depending on how much the Nobel committee weights citations in their decisions).

      Let's all take it easy with padding our egos. This isn't as obvious as you make it sound. If it was, google wouldn't have been around and using PageRank for over 10 years before someone decided to write a paper on this usage.

      Similarly, PageRank it self seems pretty obvious once you know how it works but we didn't have it before Google. This is the hallmark of brilliant discoveries, you figure something out that is so obvious noone else noticed.

      I think this also speaks to how fair the nobel prizes have been since their inception. This indicates that a discoveries impact on its field is more important that the discovers social status. Assuming of course that this is purely based on pre-nobel prize citations only. Otherwise it only indicates that a paper is more important after the author gets a nobel prize.

    6. Re:No Kidding by Jyms · · Score: 1

      I did this for my M.Sc. almost 10 years ago. The idea was to find seminal works. Unfortunately I only had access to 100000 papers total, not all papers since 1893. Still showed that it worked in principle.

  15. Pft.. that'd be easy to do. Pick something harder by uncledrax · · Score: 1

    Bowel movements would be pretty easy to predict tbh. You just get the Android app to track your bowel movements, it'll upload it to a google appliance gizmo that creates a trend.. maybe some input function to add in the primary sections of your diet (for instance, you ate something with alittle more fat or fiber.. etc..)

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  16. Re:It sounds to me like "predict" is the wrong wor by Mente · · Score: 1

    That was my reaction as well. It only works if you base it on publications prior to them winning the Nobel Prize. Of course people are going to reference the papers after the Prize. Citing a Nobel winner gives a certain boost to credibility.

  17. Older than Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't believe that CS people who favor information retrieval can be so ignorant of the work preceding PageRank. Bibliometrics is a comparatively ancient art. This kind of analysis was done already - look at Harriet Zuckerman's 1977 book "Scientific elite: Nobel laureates in the United States"

    The number of times that I've seen computer science researchers "invent" results seen before is astounding. PageRank is one algorithm, but many other citation measures have already been applied to the Nobel prediction game.

  18. not the interweb by Goldsmith · · Score: 1

    Note that they're not looking at webpage referrals, but citations in other scientific papers. Rather than simply counting citations, they're weighting the citations by the number of citations the citing papers received. Thus, if your paper is cited by a paper which is very popular, then your paper will get a boost to it's citation score.

  19. winners bias? by Glog · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not having read the actual paper, the following question comes to mind: did they include only the period of time *before* the physicists got their Nobels? Because if they included the citations after that - yeah, I imagine those authors got quite a few citations being Nobel Prize winners and all...

    1. Re:winners bias? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No they didn't, which basically means this story is entirely uninteresting (*of course* papers from nobel prize winners are going to be widely linked).

      It's some random dude's blog post though, so what do you expect?

    2. Re:winners bias? by divisionbyzero · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I thought the same thing. Then I actually read the article. They aren't claiming the highest ranked pages are going to win a Nobel. In fact the author of the highest ranked paper has not received a Nobel. Instead they are suggesting that authors of higher ranked papers are likely candidates for a Nobel. If they had done what you suggest, it would have been more interesting.

    3. Re:winners bias? by godrik · · Score: 2, Informative

      No they are not. So it is possible that their papers have been cited after being nobel prize. From what i understood of the paper, this index is basically weighted citation index which considers how many references do an article cite and recursively (with exponentially decreasing weight).

  20. Unless... by icebrain · · Score: 1

    That's true, unless this algorithm only searches through papers linked before the cooresponding announcement--which is what my first thought was on seeing the sumamry. I did not RTFA, though.

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  21. MS-BM 2.0 by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    See, what did I tell ya? Google lets their employees work a bit on odd experiments, and this is the kind of thing it may lead to. (Will Microsoft compete with Microsoft Bowel 2.0 ?)

    1. Re:MS-BM 2.0 by CaptCovert · · Score: 1

      Isn't that the trade name for Vista?

  22. In other news... by hobbit · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Top 40 music singles chart predicts highest-selling singles of the week with astounding precision!

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  23. Logical Progression by hoshino · · Score: 2, Funny

    The next step is obviously to let PageRank select the Nobel winners and cut out the middleman.

    1. Re:Logical Progression by azaris · · Score: 1

      The next step is obviously to let PageRank select the Nobel winners and cut out the middleman.

      I can't wait for my first Nobel Prize Optimization spam.

    2. Re:Logical Progression by NATP · · Score: 1
      Actually - the authors already thought of this - and warn against it. From the last paragraph in the article...

      Even if a way is devised to attach a high-fidelity quality measure to a citation, there is no substitute for scientific judgment to assess publications. We need to avoid falling into the trap of relying on automatically generated citation statistics for accessing the performance of individual researchers, departments, and scientific disciplines, and especially of allowing the evaluation task to be entrusted to administrators and bureaucrats

  24. Re:Or: International fame = more hits to your pape by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 0

    So novel and useful research is at the hub of a web of citations, and the novel and useful web pages are at the hub of a web of links ....

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  25. So Tired of Useless Tags by pete-wilko · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Anyone else really get tired of the friggin tags for a lot of these stories? CorrelationIsNotCausation (this meme here really needs to go, saying it dosn't make you sound smart when it makes no sense or is bleedingly obvious) , and BecauseItWillGetGamed? GTFO. How the hell do you as a scientist game the entire specter of academic publishing to get yourself voted as a nobel prize winner, without you know, maybe actually doing some good science (and having it further recognized by being cited heavily by peers)? The tags are next to useless unless they are good as flamebait (yes am aware of the irony)

    1. Re:So Tired of Useless Tags by nog_lorp · · Score: 1

      Check out "The Case of El Naschie" for how to game academic publishing. (Become an editor of a vanity paper, publish 5 articles a month, cross-cite every article with 10 similar 'scientists').

    2. Re:So Tired of Useless Tags by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just think of tags as one liner jokes.

    3. Re:So Tired of Useless Tags by teko_teko · · Score: 1

      Lets tag this article with "lametags" or "uselesstagsincludingthisone" =P

  26. hmm indeed by Eil · · Score: 1

    And of course the results of their experiment are submitted in the form of a research paper. Hmm, I wonder...

  27. Take with a bucketful of salt by pjt33 · · Score: 1

    The original paper doesn't really discuss the connections with Nobel prizes - it mentions as an aside that one paper was cited for a Nobel prize - as it's concerned not with predicted Nobel laureates but evaluating the importance of papers. Therefore any conclusions about predicting Nobel winners are without merit until further analysis is performed.

  28. "Correlation" tag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What idiot(s) tagged this article "correlationisnotcausation"? Obviously no-one implied causation, i.e. that Nobel prizes are awarded to people because they have high PageRanks. It talks about prediction and mentions betting, for both of which correlation is enough.

    I know the mainstream media is often quick to jump on the "omg there is correlation, ergo there must be causation" bandwagon, but it obviously isn't the case here. Save such tags for when they're appropriate.

    1. Re:"Correlation" tag by hobbit · · Score: 1

      It talks about prediction ... for ... which correlation is enough.

      If it rains, I'll stay indoors. Therefore, if I stay indoors, it'll rain!

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  29. Re:It sounds to me like "predict" is the wrong wor by dogmatixpsych · · Score: 1

    That's not completely true. You can use all citations to create a regression model (or structural equations model or whatever other statistical method you use) that is used to "predict" past and future prize winners. It's really hard to explain in this setting but it's basically using all the aggregate data to create your regression equation, then checking to see if the regression equation was a good fit to the data. From there you should hopefully be able to predict future winners with some degree of accuracy.

    I'm not sure if the authors used a method like that or not - I skimmed the original article but don't have time to spend more time on it. In any case, it's not uncommon to use "post" data to help predict "pre" data. That's how you set up a model. Further, it's helpful to be able to use all the "post" data to help you know the size of the error of your prediction. I know I wasn't terribly clear but statistical modeling isn't as straightforward as it might seem.

  30. Winner bias by dimethylxanthine · · Score: 1

    It would be quite logical for the Nobelists to get considerably more exposure for the mere fact they on the prize. I would think merely referencing a paper from an author who'd made it up there would give your own research more attention than it would otherwise.

    This would be quite obvious, but then again what is Google for anyway?

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  31. CorrelationIsNotCausation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm so glad we have the "CorrelationIsNotCausation" tag. I really thought that google was selecting the Nobel Prize winners all this time.

  32. I am shocked! by binpajama · · Score: 1

    You mean people who write good papers get Nobel prizes? Wow!

    Also, I didn't know that people who won Nobel prizes for fundamental discoveries won't post facto get gratuitous citations in the first line of the introduction of every subsequent paper in the field.

    Page Rank captures whatever is `sensational', in every domain of human activity. Having RTFA, I conclude that if all that is sensational is good, then what we have here is an empirical demonstration of circular reasoning. If all that is good need not be sensational, we simply have misleading anecdotal evidence.

  33. Large Numbers by PMuse · · Score: 1

    The foundation for the work of Messrs. Maslov and Redner was laid by Hari Seldon, who discovered that "while one cannot foresee the actions of a particular individual, the laws of statistics as applied to large groups of people could predict the general flow of future events." The recent paper by Messrs. Maslov and Redner represents the smallest corpus to which Seldon's theory has been successfully applied to date.

    Further applications of these techniques to this same corpus will likely fall afoul of Seldon's second axiom: "the population should remain in ignorance of the results of the application of" the analysis.

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    1. Re:Large Numbers by znerk · · Score: 1

      Yeah, Hari Seldon's work lays an interesting Foundation for Psychohistory.

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  34. Citations are often negative by spikenerd · · Score: 3, Informative

    There's a tool that tries to create a network of reviews, rather than just citations. In this case, the reviewer actually specifies the level of endorsement, whereas citations can mean anything. One of the most common reasons to cite a paper is to say "Our idea is way better than this lame idea", or "These guys did something similar, but it comparatively sucked". Sometimes the worst implementations get cited the most because they are so easy to improve upon. Why should that build up a paper?

  35. This hasn't been that hard, really... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For the last 8 years it's always went to the guy who hates Bush and/or America, while supporting GlobalWarming(TM).

    It started on shakey ground, taking dynamite profits to appreciate things that "surely" will end war, and nowdays it's like everything else: monetarily defined, without needless morals to get in the way.

    The Nobel Prize means nothing, if Al Gore gets one for charging people money to take carbon dioxide out of the air. (When he can't, and CO2 actually COOLS the planet, not warms it.)

    Just another loss of another institution...see also Journalism.

  36. Cause and effect confusion by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

    Sorry, but links do not make a Nobel.

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  37. Blog author hypes - by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I read the blog entry - and all of the three pages of the article.

    Firstly, the article on arXiv claims nothing about predictive power of any of these ranking algorithms on who will win a Noble prize.

    Secondly, the blog author ("KFC") claims this "suggests an idea. Mining the later entries in this list might be an good way of predicting future prize winners".

    Well, the issue here is that these ranks are always computed for "the current state", that is for "today". If these ranks were to have predictive power, they would have to be computed for the time up to the point in time when the Noble prize was awarded to the author.

    Why is this "time" aspect important? Imagine the following (construed, extreme) scenario:

    * 1950: Author X publishes article
    * 1951: Article gets one citation

                                  -- this is the point in time that matters for prediction!

    * 1952: Author is awarded the Noble Prize
    * 1953: Plenty of citations for the Noble prize winner

    So, there you go. The blog author completely neglects the temporal aspect required for the ranks to have predictive (aka "future") value.

  38. Re:Pft.. that'd be easy to do. Pick something hard by nog_lorp · · Score: 1

    If I eat at Baja Surf, predict bowel movement within 5 minutes of leaving restaurant?

  39. Not Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Hey Alanis, that's not irony!

    1. The use of words to express something different from and often opposite to their literal meaning.
    2. An expression or utterance marked by a deliberate contrast between apparent and intended meaning.
    3. A literary style employing such contrasts for humorous or rhetorical effect.

  40. Impact factor? by drolli · · Score: 1

    I wonder how different the result are from the normal cumulated Impact factor of the scientists publications....

    But i forgot. Google is the only database on the planet....

  41. popular != important by janwedekind · · Score: 1

    Such an algorithm may be quite good at indicating popular papers and topics. But there are ideas which are like urban legends. They spread faster than they get falsified. Just think about topics like "cold fusion" or "transmutation of matter". An idea is not good just because it is attractive.

  42. Nobel in physics - this year by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is one more proof that the Nobel prize in physics this year was a total mistake. It should have been given to Cabibbo, who is rated first in the Pageranking. The work of Kobayashi and Masukawa is heavily based on his original work.

    This is also a proof that there's correlation effect, not causation, going on here. Cabibbo didn't receive the Nobel prize, thus the high number of citations cannot be due to a subsequent fame.

  43. Cause or Effect? by tcgroat · · Score: 1

    If it's a valid predictor, it would produce those results based only on citations before the author receives a Nobel nomination. An author known to be a Nobel nominee, and especially a Nobel prize winner, will receive more citations and page reads based on their Nobel notoriety. An author who fails to cite a Nobel winning paper would be considered to have incomplete references, and the referees or thesis committee will tell them to add those missing citations.

  44. backwards history by speedtux · · Score: 1

    Actually, citation ranking was first and developed some time in the 1970's. Google's page rank algorithm was an application of citation ranking to the web. The original Page Rank paper even cites the citation ranking papers.

    (This also kinds of points out a problem with citation ranking: everybody these days is going to cite page rank, even though the idea originally was developed by other people. So, citation ranking isn't going to tell you who should get the credit, only who popularized an idea.)

  45. The only real bit of information in the article... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This simply confirms that Cabibbo got screwed. Those who do particle physics have long known this and that's why he still gets first bill as the C in the "CKM matrix". This isn't to say that K and M didn't deserve the prize.

  46. Wisdom of Crowds != Wisdom of Intellectuals by mahadiga · · Score: 1


    Google PageRank = Wisdom of Crowds
    And Wisdom of Crowds != Wisdom of Intellectuals

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