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Obama Keeps His Blackberry (And Gets a Sectera)

InternetVoting writes "After all the controversy surrounding Obama's Blackberry, word has come that he will get to keep it. Few details are available and neither the National Security Agency nor the White House are talking. The current rumor is that the Blackberry will be used exclusively for personal use and a Sectera Edge will be used for official communications."

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  1. Should be interesting... by daveschroeder · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The main reason for the President himself to not to have something like a personal BlackBerry or other personal communications devices -- ones which is he is publicly known to have, anyway -- is simply the high-profile nature and symbolism of the target. It doesn't matter that other federal agencies and the military use them for one purpose or another.

    This is the case even with all the compelling "finger on the pulse of [insert subject du jour here]" and Information Age tempo arguments. The fact is that the President will have an army of aides who can all have their fingers directly on the multitude of things that the President cares about and needs to know about.

    And in the event that a case is made, internal to the administration, that the President -- now or in the future -- really needs to have his own personal communications device(s), that fact in itself -- not to mention the specific equipment and carriers -- doesn't need to be, and, frankly, shouldn't be, publicly disclosed.

    Also, from the article:

    Obama and other officials won't be able to use Instant Messaging in the White House.

    This is for a variety of reasons, but security is not necessarily one of them. For example, an IM service offered by the DNI's Intelligence Community Enterprise Solutions group does provide instant messaging services using the open Jabber protocol up to the TOP SECRET/SCI level.

    1. Re:Should be interesting... by diersing · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I just hope they cross the GPS signal with another device that is, you know, not tracking the President's exact location.

    2. Re:Should be interesting... by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Grrr.. Slashdot ate my link again.

    3. Re:Should be interesting... by capnkr · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't think they "broadcast" it per se, but the network does track them; it has to, in order to know which other tower to hand off the signal to if the phone is moving. Someone who gained access to the system enough to read any messages they'd like would, I'd think, also be able to get individual phone tracking info from the network.

      Disclaimer: I am not in the cell phone industry, these are just things I have gleaned from reading over the years. I'm sure someone with exact knowledge will chime in soon.

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    4. Re:Should be interesting... by Dun+Malg · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Whatever. "I am the head of the Executive Branch. I will use my crackberry, and you will find a way to make me untraceable just the same as you found a way for me to walk down a D.C. street without getting shot. Is that clear?" "Yes Mr. President."

      The end.

      Probably the solution is as simple as, "Don't use your Blackberry's wireless connection." But I don't know; that's what security experts are for. Everyday I see Congressmen using cellphones; if those can be secure enough to carry day-to-day government business, why not other wireless devices?

      Chickenhead congressmen aren't really privy to the sort of information the president is. And securing a crackberry is like trying to secure a paper bag. No president is going to be so stupid as to demand that. The government doesn't control RIM, so they are in no position to change the nature of the communications protocol, no matter what the president demands. A crackberry can't be made secure. That's why they have companies like General Dynamics making Sectera secure phones.

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    5. Re:Should be interesting... by Trapick · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The government doesn't control RIM

      No, they don't...but if they get a call from the new president saying "gosh, I'd love to use a Blackberry, giving you rocking publicity, if only it could be nice and secure..." I have a feeling they'll work closely with the secret service on getting it right,

    6. Re:Should be interesting... by geekmux · · Score: 3, Interesting

      ...But to not have a personal device because he is the "President" is pure crap! Since when did the "President" become royalty? So what that he is the leader of the USA, he is just another HUMAN...

      This has nothing to do with the man himself (he puts his pants on the same way you and I do, one leg at a time), it has to do with the position and respecting the security involved. It's been quite some time since harm has come to the man in that position, and there's damn good Security policy and procedure in place that can attest to that. Certain things you should probably have to give up when you step into those shoes, including your beloved Crackberry.

      Chances are you work for a company who filters porn sites. Are you sitting back there making the same asinine arguement that "just because I'm at work I can't surf porn?!?" I would hope not. Again, it has little to do with you, it has to do with protecting the company.

      I actually have a real problem with the need for "security" in a government where I elected them. The government is the people, and I want complete transparency.

      With regards to the "security" being referenced here (a personal communications device), it has more to do with INFOSEC, OPSEC, and PHYSSEC than anything else.

      I believe the last time a President did not want any "security" encroaching upon him was Lincoln. Unfortunately, we all know how that turned out for him.

    7. Re:Should be interesting... by blincoln · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No, they don't...but if they get a call from the new president saying "gosh, I'd love to use a Blackberry, giving you rocking publicity, if only it could be nice and secure..." I have a feeling they'll work closely with the secret service on getting it right,

      The BlackBerry model by design is insecure (from a national security perspective). All of the data communication is routed through systems owned by a Canadian corporation (RIM). They claim it's encrypted end-to-end. I've seen enough of their backend applications (in the form of the BlackBerry "Enterprise" Server) to suspect that even if the communication is encrypted, it would be trivial for someone at RIM to decrypt it.

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  2. DoD use Blackberries by OffTheLip · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Since Obama is commander in chief of the military shouldn't he be able to use the same technology (Blackberry) they use? If our national defense is entrusted to a product why would that not be good enough for the boss?

    1. Re:DoD use Blackberries by Locutus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'd figured that they'd get him a device which acted like the Blackberry but had the server under control by the White House and used a VPN between the device and the server. If BlackBerry was not willing to allow one of their servers placed under White House control then there are other options.

      I would bet that he ends up using the Windows based device very little. Just the hassle of switching between two devices is going to be a pain but then the size of that Sectera and the fact that it runs an OS which is so poor that Microsoft has had to pay companies to use for over 10 years. Too bad the Palm Pre wasn't available yet. They could put SE Linux on there and lock it down big time.

      LoB

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  3. Idiotic WashPo Story by Cornwallis · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The Washington Post had a truly idiotic story today entitled: "Staff Finds White House in the Technological Dark Ages" that seemed (to me) silly. Among the statements: " The team members, accustomed to working on Macintoshes, found computers outfitted with six-year-old versions of Microsoft software." seemed the silliest in that it implies that six-year old software (WinXP?) is "old". The author needs to be told that just because newer is available doesn't mean there is a business sense to use it! From the article: "What does that mean in 21st-century terms? No Facebook to communicate with supporters. No outside e-mail log-ins. No instant messaging. Hard adjustments for a staff that helped sweep Obama to power through, among other things, relentless online social networking." The young'uns should learn there are reasons to make those things unavailable. Like, uhhh, security? Think back to when Clinton took office and his minions were saying the same kinds of things about the WH phone system left by Bush 1...that is used "dial phones" (for christ's sake!)...and everything had to go through the WH switchboard. There was a reason for that as the Clintonites found when they "modernized". Suddenly the WH began leaking info like a sieve when the "new technology" was adopted. Watch for the same thing to happen here! For the record: I didn't vote for Obama or McCain but it seems like this article was another kick at GWB.

    1. Re:Idiotic WashPo Story by crmarvin42 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Expect to see this kind of thing for at least the next 100 days. The press likes to make a big deal about this 100 day honeymoon period. They cut the president some slack, and spend their time on other things.

      Over the last 8 years, nothing has given the media more joy than kicking Bush around. I watched MSNBC last night for an hour and every discussion of Obama quickly turned into a burning in effigy of Bush, instead of a commentary on what I wanted to here about. "What is Obama doing, or planning to do during his administration!" I already know what Bush did, and what I think about his actions. I Don't care what Obama's appointies think of them, only what they plan on doing now that they have the power.

      Obama may claim to be above politics, and there is even evidence that he is trying. However, the media and those I've seen on TV who are members of the new Obama administration are not even pretending.

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  4. National Security by javacowboy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    To put my comments in their proper context, it's a good idea to disclose that I'm Canadian.

    Having said that, I understand the national security concerns with Obama using a Blackberry. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't all Blackberry traffic pass through RIM's servers in Waterloo, Ontario. Given the fact that such information can be intercepted on foreign soil should be worrisome to a U.S. security agency such as the NSA.

    Other smartphones don't appear to have that problem. Perhaps the NSA can persuade Obama to get an iPhone instead? :D

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  5. Re:So, all this talk about Bush emails and... by tjstork · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So goes our karma into off topic land. I think it should be in slashdot that any technical post is NEVER off topic!

    I'll bite. No. Which shell can?

    Powershell for Windows does. It can do this because in Powershell the operating principal of piping is not a text stream but rather collections of objects. In the case of my signature statement,

    ls |where {$_.Length -gt 2000}|format-table Name, Length

    Powershell returns a list of file objects, then, applies the filter function where to it, and the notation $_ is obviously ripped off from Perl, and -gt, well, is to avoid ambiguity I guess with the redirection operator (cheesy parser, anyone?), and then, that gets you a list of filtered file objects. That list then is pumped through the format-table operator, which, uses the name and length arguments to project the given list into a table of just name and length columns.

    It's a pretty big advancement in shell technology, for sure, but its not so fancy or capital intensive that a bright person could not make a better FOSS version for Linux.

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  6. Re:So, all this talk about Bush emails and... by jollyreaper · · Score: 1, Interesting

    It turns out, that, after trashing Bush and Cheney for eight years for not making all of their communications public, the first thing the new Democratic President does is get for himself a means of making private communications based on his word that it will be for personal use only.

    This for anyone confused by your argument -- there's obviously no hope of reaching you but I might just be able to reach them.

    There is a huge difference between personal privacy and professional privacy. Obama's health was his and his family's business when he was a senator. As President, it's a matter of public interest. Reagan's Alzheimer's after he left office, his business; his Alzheimer's when he was President, that was damn well America's business. It was nothing less than the question of whether he could fulfill his duties as President of the United States. Same reason why we don't have a professional interest in the health of the airline mechanic but we give the pilots annual physicals -- the mechanic keeling over won't kill 150 people.

    And when it comes to the president, there's a difference between having an affair with another consenting adult, an action that was incredibly stupid yet broke no laws and Bush's active effort to commit treason against the United States and cover up the planning. Clinton's affair was between him, Hillary, and Chelsea. Bush I and II, Reagan, their crimes were against the American people. Iran-Contra, lying us into the Iraq war, helping to roll back regulations so our economy would overheat and explode like the heart of a rabbit chased by a lawnmower...

    Frankly, I don't dispute the right of any President to have secret communications. He needs to be judged by his work product and not be constantly subject to the Congress. It was wrong for Republicans to harrass Clinton during his Presidency and it was wrong for Bush to be harrassed as well. IT's not because, ideally, the President is above the law, but it is because, he (or she!), is not subjugated to the Congress. They are equal branches of government.

    Bush and his cronies setup separate RNC emails so that they could conduct illegal politiking from the White House. They tore a strip off Gore's hide for making a fundraising call on public lines from his office, how is it any different doing RNC work on the public's dime? Sure, there should be separate email accounts so that any President can keep party business and state business separate but the White House shouldn't be party headquarters.

    Trying to conflate Clinton's sins, which were many, against Bush's sins which were many but also far, far more treasonous is ridiculous. Clinton was impeached for lying about a blowjob. Bush was never impeached for lying us into a fucking war.

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  7. Personal, explains itself by StrifeJester · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If your wife was shooting you a text on your personal phone about waiting for you naked when you got home would want that sent out to a company wide distribution list. Give the man his personal belongings let him worry about using it properly and trust him a bit. I didn't even vote for the guy but this has been one of the stupidest arguments since the initial debates. We deal with this everyday at work, not on a grand scale like the presidency but the same principal, maybe worse we are always so scared of HIPAA around here.

  8. Re:I hate to break it to you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    All of that political machinery was originally behind Hillary at first and /something/ managed to upend it. A lot of his appointments might look like just handing out positions to former Clinton administration people, until you consider that they're also some of the few around who have any experience at all for the jobs they're getting that hasn't been tied with the past 8 years of cronyism. There's been no shortage of credit given to his popular backing, either, both in getting him nominated and elected as well as turning the party towards him rather than Clinton.

  9. Re:So, all this talk about Bush emails and... by BobMcD · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Where do you draw the line?

    Here's my line:

    Is he still the President? Record everything.

    No longer the President? Stop recording.

    Its a volunteer position, and he is there to serve us, not the other way around.

    Don't confuse President with CEO.

  10. It is always refreshing by coryking · · Score: 3, Interesting

    To hear people on Slashdot talk positively about marketing / sales people. In any other case, you'd have a dozen posts about "those stupid sales weenies told some stupid president that we have to make this thing 'secure' and do it in 3 days with no extra help".

    What those whining programmers sometimes fail to see is sometimes the sales/marketing staff know what they are doing. If I was RIM management, I sure as hell wouldn't want to loose the president as a client, bitching programmers be damned.