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National Censorship Plan Offensive, Says Aussie Shadow Minister

downundarob writes "Senator Nick Minchin, the Australian Shadow Minister for broadband, communications and the digital economy, has written (or more likely a staffer has written) this interesting article on the Australian Federal Government's continued zeal to enforce ISP-level filtering in Australia. In the article he posits that 'Underlying the Rudd Government's plan to screen the internet is an offensive message: that parents cannot be trusted to mind their children online.' Meanwhile, we wait for filtering trials to start, trials that have been delayed and which have next-to-no support among the industry. Telstra BigPond — Australia's largest ISP — has refused to take part, comparing internet filtering to 'like trying to boil the ocean.' The third largest, iiNet, is prepared to participate to highlight flaws."

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  1. So... by techno-vampire · · Score: 4, Funny

    So what he's saying is, this plan to censor the Internet is so offensive that it should be censored, right?

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    1. Re:So... by b4upoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Censorship is always offensive. It starts with one person or one group declaring that they hold the superior view and way of life. They do not.

    2. Re:So... by jasontheking · · Score: 5, Funny

      they sell frozen peas

    3. Re:So... by David+Gerard · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The plan is entirely for the purpose of keeping fundie senators who hold the balance of power on-side. It's not meant to actually work. They have to try as hard as they can before admitting failure, meanwhile getting the fundie to help pass their legislation while they're stringing him along.

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  2. has written (or more likely a staffer has written) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why did you feel you had to mention this? The authorship credit is to Minchin, not J. Random Staffer, not Kevin Rudd.

    Stick to the facts.

  3. Shadow Minister by Nyeerrmm · · Score: 4, Funny

    As an American, I must say, we need to take a look at this nomenclature: Shadow Minister sounds so much cooler than Senate Minority Leader or the like.

    It helps when the guy has an ounce of sense too...

    1. Re:Shadow Minister by martin-boundary · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, logically, the prime minister has to be a Vorlon.

    2. Re:Shadow Minister by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      As an Australian, its a laughable story, particularly given that the then (1999) Communication's Minister, and orchestrator of this mess, Senator Richard Alston, came from the same Liberal Party that is currently complaining about it from the opposition.

      A high level history is available via the Electronic Frontiers Australia site.

      If you look deeper, however, the joke is ironic because the Liberals only introduced the Bill to buy Independant, Senator Brian Harradine's, vote on the GST Tax Bill that they were so desperate to push. The sting in the tail being that Harradine voted against both the GST and Internet Censorship Bills because he felt that the Censorship Bill was too soft.

      See the Report to members for Annual General Meeting 1999;

      This was the year that the Federal Government sacrificed the future of Australian e-commerce and its reputation as an Internet early-adopter by attempting to censor the Internet from the bunkers in Canberra. The Broadcasting Services (Online Services) Act 1999 was a transparent inducement to Senator Brian Harradine to pass the Government's GST and Telstra legislation, the Government feigning a sudden interest in "adult" material online. It failed to achieve its political purpose - Harradine voted against both bills, and milder legislation later passed with the support of the Australian Democrats. However, the Government, and Senator Richard Alston in particular, were so captured by their own rhetoric that the censorship bill proceeded into law as an exercise in political muscle. Last-minute amendments urged on the Government by the Internet Industry Association have made an unworkable law even more uncertain, arbitrary and unfit for its stated purpose of protecting children from unsuitable material.

      Australian's let us rejoice ..

    3. Re:Shadow Minister by Mathinker · · Score: 3, Funny

      Simple, it's like in Linux, the Shadow Minister is the secret minister with the real power behind the publicly-readable Prime Minister.

    4. Re:Shadow Minister by TapeCutter · · Score: 4, Informative

      Bloody oath! Now it's Labor turn to suck up to an independent nutjob who gained 2% of the popular vote but potentially holds the balance of power in the senate. The irony is that both major parties helped him defeat the green candidate who would otherwise have easily won the seat.

      Thankfully my prediction that this BS will continue to go nowhere seems to be panning out - it's like the two major parties have agreed to an endless and distracting debate that does little except keep the moralising minority busy.

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    5. Re:Shadow Minister by grim-one · · Score: 3, Informative

      A shadow minister is a member of the opposition (the party that didn't win in our two-party system) who follows the actions of the elected minister (from the party that won). Generally they just criticise everything the actual minister does to try and make them look bad.

    6. Re:Shadow Minister by MichaelSmith · · Score: 3, Informative

      As an American, I must say, we need to take a look at this nomenclature: Shadow Minister sounds so much cooler than Senate Minority Leader or the like.

      Under our system of government the party currently not in power runs a complete standby government. It is quite a good system because when you come to vote you already have a good idea of who will be in the important posts.

      On the down side, ministers have to be members of parliament so their skills will be more limited than in the US system where the president seems to have the power to pick people from the broader population.

  4. He's right! by Veggiesama · · Score: 4, Funny

    This national censorship plan is so offensive that no one should ever hear about it again!

    I propose that we censor it! Think of the children!

  5. haha boil the ocean by timmarhy · · Score: 3, Insightful
    it's about the only clever thing to come out of telstra.

    it's amusing to watch Obama atm, we had a very similar flurry of hope and dreams when Rudd was elected here. now look what we have, internet censorship, rolling back of benefits to seniors and families having babies and a string of empty promises.

    give it just a little time and that shine will rub off revealing the politician underneth.

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    1. Re:haha boil the ocean by kaos07 · · Score: 3, Informative

      What a rubbish post. "Rolling back of benefits"? Er no. Seniors are actually receiving thousands of dollars in cash bonus' on top of their fortnightly stipends and this is to pre-empt the conclusion in the report into pensions due for release in the next few months. As for "families having babies" you're presumably talking about the means test for the baby bonus. Prior to the means test, everyone who had a baby got a cheque for $5000 - a blatant bribe. Now, that cheque is only available for people earning less than $150,000, which frankly, is still way to high.

  6. How does this "protect the children"? by carlzum · · Score: 5, Interesting
    From the article:

    The minister must start listening to the experts, who have repeatedly made the point that most predatory risks to children lurk in those areas of the online world this kind of filtering will do little to combat.

    Blacklists and content scanning will have, at best, a negligible impact on child predators and pornographers. Any progress will be quickly negated as pedophiles adapt to the technology. Even proponents of the filter have to recognize that.

    Given the enormous monetary and social costs, I can't believe this will ever really materialize. I'm sure some politicians exploited the issue for their own benefit, but I suspect the idea will either go away or be implemented in a symbolic, watered-down manner.

  7. Shadow Government by xrayspx · · Score: 3, Funny

    When your own Shadow Government thinks you've gone Too Far, perhaps you've fucking gone too far.

    1. Re:Shadow Government by !coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Umm.. at the risk of hearing a *woosh* in the next few seconds, I don't think "shadow" (in this context) means what you think it means.

      Whenever you hear something like "the shadow minister for foreign affairs", they're referring to the guy (or gal) in the major opposition party who is their current "authority" in the field (in my example, foreign affairs), or at the most, in some cases, the person who's currently in line for that office should the opposition win the next general elections (or equivalent) and form government.

      This is not some lower-level, deputy-minister/under-secretary type, who actually works for/in the government that's proposing this bill.

      In other words, we're talking about the people who are trying to oust the current government, so it's no surprise that they take whatever opportunity they get to snipe at them. Besides, as others have pointed out above, they're not exactly squeaky-clean in this matter either, having proposed something similar in the past when they were in office (what's worse, they were allegedly doing it as some sort of a back-room deal to advance some other bill).

      Other than that, couldn't agree more! :)

    2. Re:Shadow Government by xrayspx · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm sorry to do it, but, yeah, *whoosh*.

      I get that this guy isn't really a secret operative in some alien-human hybrid black-oil conspiracy. But the title of "Shadow Minister" does still imply such to those of us who watched a certain popular TV (TeleVision) show known as the X-Files in the 1990's.

      It's OK though, because as we all know, jokes have been scientifically proven to be much funnier when they're fully explained, so for that I thank you :-)

  8. Re:I emailed the Prime Minister by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Internet filtering
    Thank you for your correspondence concerning internet service provider (ISP) filtering.
    I appreciate your interest in this important issue.
    I am aware that the issue of ISP filtering has attracted criticism from people who are concerned that it will lead to censorship of the internet.
    Freedom of speech is fundamentally important in a democratic society. For many years however, most Australians have accepted that there is some material which is not acceptable, particularly for children.
    The genesis of this is in civil society where social conflict is governed by the imposition of rules that restrain citizens from harming one another and society as a whole accepts that the public interest requires that those rules are enforced.
    This is why we have the National Classification Scheme (the Scheme) for classifying films, computer games, and publications. Under the Scheme, it is illegal to distribute, sell or make available for hire material that is classified Refused Classification (RC).
    The internet is already subject to regulation which prevents ISPs or other internet content providers from hosting prohibited content as defined under the Broadcasting Services Act 1992 within Australia. Prohibited content is determined by reference to the Scheme.
    We also have strong criminal laws aimed at preventing people from possessing or distributing material relating to child sexual abuse, including over the internet.
    The Australian Government recognises that the internet is an essential tool for all Australian children through which they can exchange information, be entertained, socialise and do school work and research. The ability to use online tools effectively provides both a skill for life and the means to acquire new skills.
    Cyber-safety commitment
    The Government has committed $125.8 million over the next four years to a comprehensive range of cyber-safety measures, including law enforcement, filtering and education. Measures include:
    â Expansion of the Australian Federal Police (AFP) Child Protection Operations Team - funding to detect and investigate online child sex exploitation;
    â Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions - funding to help deal with the increased activity resulting from the work of the AFP to ensure that prosecutions are handled quickly;
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    â ISP-level filtering - funding to develop and implement ISP filtering, including undertaking a real world âliveâ(TM) pilot;
    â Education activities - funding to the Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA) to implement a comprehensive range of education activities;
    â Websites / Online helpline - funding to ACMA to improve current government cyber-safety website resources and to make them easier for parents to use, and to provide up-to-date information. ACMA will also develop a childrenâ(TM)s cyber-safety website to provide information specifically for children, and improve the online helpline to provide a quick and easy way for children to report online incidents that cause them concern;
    â Consultative Working Group - funding for an expanded Consultative Working Group. This group will consider the broad range of cyber-safety issues and advise the Government, to ensure properly developed and targeted policy initiatives;
    â Youth Advisory Group - funding for a Youth Advisory Group which will provide advice to the Consultative Working Group on cyber-safety issues from a young personâ(TM)s perspective; and
    â Research - funding for ongoing research into the changing digital environment to identify issues and target future policy and funding.
    International cooperation in regard to online safety is crucial. The Government is pursuing an international agenda for collaborative action on cyber-safety. Progress on this was made through my recent engagement at the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) forum in Seoul in June 2008. The Seoul Declaration for the Future of the Internet Economy states that partic

  9. Be careful, minister by papabob · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If parents cannot be trusted to mind their children online, they cannot be trusted to vote you in the next elections...

  10. This is how it always works: by 7-Vodka · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is how it always works:

    When one party has control and the other is the opposition, the party with control moves forward the agenda and the opposition opposes it.

    When an election happens and they switch sides, the new party in charge who used to be in opposition of the agenda now moves it forward while the party who is now out of power opposes it.

    The agenda of world centralization of power and increasing control over the general public always moves forward.

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