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Best IT Solution For a Brand-New School?

Iain writes "I'm a teacher at a British 'City Academy' (ages 11-19) that is going to move into a new building next year. Management is deciding now on the IT that the students will use in the new building, as everything will be built from scratch. Currently, the school has one ICT suite per department, each containing about 25-30 PCs. My issue with this model is that it means these suites are only rarely used for a bit of googling or typing up assignments, not as interactive teaching tools. The head likes the idea of moving to a thin client solution, with the same one room per department plan, as he see the cost benefits. However, I have seen tablet PCs used to great effect, with every single classroom having 20-30 units which the students use as 'electronic workbooks,' for want of a better phrase. This allows every lesson to fully utilize IT (multimedia resources, Internet access, instant handout and retrieval of learning resources, etc.) and all work to be stored centrally. My question is: In your opinion, what is the best way for a school to use IT (traditional computer lab, OLPCs, etc.) and what hardware is out there to best serve that purpose? Fat clients for IT/Media lessons and thin client for the rest? Thin client tablets? Giving each student a laptop to take home? Although, obviously, cost is an issue, we have a significant budget, so it should not be the only consideration."

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  1. Create a portable lab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The old lab model is dead. Take your 20-30 computers, make them laptops, and available for any classroom use the teachers need. If demands becomes such that you can't meet demand, then you buy more. Add wireless throughout the place, and you should be set.

    1. Re:Create a portable lab by h4rm0ny · · Score: 3, Insightful


      Use blackboards or interactive white boards. Teach basic subjects. IT as a subject in British schools is deeply flawed. Teach English, not Microsoft Word. Teach maths, not Excel spreadsheets. IT is a nightmare to teach to unwilling kids in a school and relatively pointless. So children really need lessons on Word?

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    2. Re:Create a portable lab by berend+botje · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And get the kids to learn the curriculum, not how to fake it by Wikipedi-ing the answers and surfing for porn the rest of the class.

      Computers in the classroom add nothing.

      If anything, use the old lab model. That way the kids aren't distracted when learning normal stuff.

    3. Re:Create a portable lab by Tobenisstinky · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nooooo! We deployed wireless as a solution w/laptops...worst decision ever made. Wireless is fine for the home with 1-5 clients, but with a classroom full, speed is pitiful. Unless you plan for 5-6 access points per room, don't do it. Also battery life is fine when the units are new, and there are also issues with users remembering to recharge them when done, theft, damage, etc. Desktops are much better. On that note, the iMacs are great. All in one unit, and you can 'secure' everything with one cable-tie IMHO

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    4. Re:Create a portable lab by hattig · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Damn right.

      I don't think there was a problem with blackboards and chalk for learning, computers were for IT lessons, not for every lesson. They are incredibly distracting machines.

      The teachers should have one, to find and get resources for lessons. Indeed a projector + screen for each classroom makes sense, under the teacher's control. I suggest Linux + OpenOffice for presentations, or Macs + iWork (KeyNote), because a teacher cannot risk Windows, cannot risk the chance of getting bad software like that poor teacher in the US that got fired and nearly got 40 years for using a hijacked computer.

    5. Re:Create a portable lab by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Computers with chat programs and web browsers are a massive distraction, yes.

      Maybe the routers in the classrooms could block access to msn, facebook, etc.

      That wouldn't stop them from surfing for porn though.

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    6. Re:Create a portable lab by ghetto2ivy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Interactive whiteboards are crap. There is little teaching theory behind there effective use. They can't be used as regular whiteboards when computers or networks are down or bulbs burn out, and they lock you into proprietary formats that will burn you if you ever want or need to switch.

      If I had to do the same, and someday I may, I'd load up a customized linux distro on netbooks and have them available on carts. Save your money for the good classroom projectors, splurge on the network -- buy good routers, get good coverage, get good bandwidth -- and reserve a repair and replacement budget. Few people remember to budget for good printers, digital cameras, a few webcams, digital mics, a few digital camcorders. The idea would be to give kids access and permission to create media. Good projectors are worth it because the teachers don't have to turn off the lights to use them.

      Above all else: Budget for things to break and get stolen! Don't scare teachers and kids into not using the equipment!

  2. This is a waste of time and money. by onion2k · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm UK taxpayer. This question highlights what I think is an endemic problem with the UK teaching system, and frankly the whole of the civil service:

    This sort of thing shouldn't even be up for debate.

    Developing this sort of infrastructure on a school-by-school basis is incredibly stupid. There should have been a central government review of the options prior to the latest run of school building, and a proper IT spending policy should have been worked out then. Having the decision made by the headteacher and a couple of staff (only one or two of whom are likely to be remotely qualified to understand all the options) means one school ends up with a much better or worse IT system than another. That is plain wrong. It's not fair on the kids.

    To answer the question, for the love of God find out how the other schools near you have faired with their systems and copy the best one. Do not do go it alone (or alone with lots of Slashdotters).

    1. Re:This is a waste of time and money. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well said, slashdot is not the place to ask this as we are not educators we are geeks. So the suggestions here are most likely going to be what would be the geeks ideal of what a school should be like.

      As onion2k says, consult other schools to find out how they utilize IT and what has proven to help with the children's education primarily in improving their learning and also secondly what has encouraged children to take an interest in technology.

      Follow the lead of others not listen to what a bunch of geeks think is their ultimate wet dream for a high tech school.

    2. Re:This is a waste of time and money. by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      While I generally agree, I fear that the result would be a "one size fits all" solution, which would rigidly be implemented no matter whether you're going to use 10 or 10,000 PCs. At the very least the school board (or whatever solution the UK has for nation wide school decisions) cough up a few "suggestions", get into negotiations with nationwide supplyers of hard- and software (which should also result in some neat conditions and prices) and also some providers of maintainance. We're talking about computers for teenagers, you WILL need maintainance!

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    3. Re:This is a waste of time and money. by stranger_to_himself · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Developing this sort of infrastructure on a school-by-school basis is incredibly stupid. There should have been a central government review of the options prior to the latest run of school building, and a proper IT spending policy should have been worked out then. Having the decision made by the headteacher and a couple of staff (only one or two of whom are likely to be remotely qualified to understand all the options) means one school ends up with a much better or worse IT system than another. That is plain wrong. It's not fair on the kids.

      I diagree. At the moment it is not possible for the government to decide and enforce a policy, because the evidence is simply not there (regarding which way would be best) to do it.

      We need newish schools to develop and evolve their own systems so we can see what works, and ONLY THEN roll it out nationwide.

      This government is usually too quick not too slow to implement policies in healthcare and education at a national level without letting them work themselves out first. This is the real waste of money.

    4. Re:This is a waste of time and money. by mollymoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Developing this sort of infrastructure on a school-by-school basis is incredibly stupid. There should have been a central government review of the options prior to the latest run of school building, and a proper IT spending policy should have been worked out then. Having the decision made by the headteacher and a couple of staff (only one or two of whom are likely to be remotely qualified to understand all the options) means one school ends up with a much better or worse IT system than another. That is plain wrong. It's not fair on the kids.

      Not fair on the kids? Forcing everybody to use exactly the same stuff is what's not fair on the kids. The school in question is a City Academy, (strictly they're just called Academies now). They are usually schools which have failed in the standard Local Education Authority framework for whatever reason. Sometimes that's down to bad management, but usually because they're in a deprived area. The one-size-fits-all approach has already failed for that school, or they wouldn't be an academy. Academies are intended to have more freedom than normal schools over things like this, so they have the freedom to apply the approaches which actually work for their kids. They will frequently not be the same approaches which work for successful Secondary schools in middle-class areas. Some schools need a better X, even if it's at the expense of an inferior Y, because that's what's best for the kids they have to teach. Not doing what's best for the kids by forcing their schools to conform to some centrally mandated policy is what would be unfair.

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  3. Why? by willoughby · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Tell me why throwing computers at the students will educate them "better" than having a professor standing at the front of the room moving a magnet along a glowing glass tube filled with argon showing them how the magnetic field "collapses" the light into a ribbon, with the students first entranced and then eagerly scribbling notes. And then in the next class having the students find the flaw in a mathematical proof covering two blackboards which "proves" that 2+2=5.

    Stop thinking about computers & start thinking of the students.

    1. Re:Why? by porcupine8 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Can you put a high-enough-powered microscope in every classroom so that they can see what's going on at a molecular level, rather than just having it explained in the abstract that more energy makes molecules move faster? If not, a computer simulation might add something to their experience. Are there labs in your town where the students can help scientists collect and analyze real data? If not, an online collaboration with such scientists might make the pursuit of science a little more real to them.

      Sure, computers are not the answer to every educational problem. Traditional methods that work should not be thrown away. But to ignore all of the possible lessons that would not be possible without computers is very short-sighted, and unfairly limits the experiences the students might be able to have.

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  4. Re:Tablet Cart, plz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    i agree - most people 'taking notes' on laptops in lectures don't pay much attention to the lecture and instead are playing with their computer.

    Computers should only be introduced when they are necessary.

  5. Computer lab by SpinyNorman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm all for computers, having started programming back in '77 when a highcool math teacher took the private initiative to take some of us to an after school adult education class to learn programming, then building my own NASCOM-1 Z-80 kit in '78, and so on... I've been a professional programmer for over 25 years, and practically live on the computer at home doing hobbyist programming... So, I couldn't be a stronger advocate for the use and fun of using computers...

    That all said, I'd have to go with the traditional computer lab model, preferably not just as a resource for homework research etc, but as a place for schedules hands-on computer lessons as part of the curriculum whether it be programming or even general computer use. I don't really see a useful place for computers in the classroom as part of other lessons, as it seems it would only be a distraction. The "enriched interactive multimedia experience" story-line may sound good at some level, but all it's really going to mean is that time that could have been spent covering and explaining core lesson material is instead spent faffing around with computers, watching videos, dealign with computer probolems etc.

    If you want to have some cross-over between computer/programming classes and other lessons, then why not just encourage use of the internet as a research tool for homework assignments, maybe accept (or occasionally require) printed assignments as well as hand writen ones. This sort of approach would give the kids a useful introduction to preactical use of computers, an exposure to programming, but not do so at the expense of turning the core curruculum into am extended multimedia click-fest, and taking attention away from the teacher.

    If you do take the opposite approach and bring computers into the classroom, then consider the scale of effort requires to develop computer based courses that are the equal of the textbook based material you currently teach. This sounds more like a mult-year national level effort, rather than something that a few teachers are going to be able to hack together in your own school.

    I'd also echo what another poster wrote - don't go it alone! Reseach how other schools are using computers and what actually WORKS. Which schools have seen grades increase rather than decrease as a result of use of computers, and how does that correlate to the way they are using them?

  6. As an instructor, by Hoplite3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think a lot of this is snakeoil. If it isn't immediately clear what advantage the computer will bring to the lesson, don't use the computer. There are cases when it is clear that the computer brings a lot of positives, but it isn't all cases by a longshot.

    Computers can eat up class time with distractions and technical problems. And digital work lacks tangibility. Students respond better to paper homework with actual scores than to digital assignments with scores appearing on some webpage.

    I know that these problems may be solvable in the future, but they aren't solved now.

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  7. The one thing you really, really need by porcupine8 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No matter what setup you choose, don't forget the most important ingredient: Training. Lots of it. Ongoing. Study after study has shown that technology only gets truly integrated into the classroom if both teachers and administrators get ongoing, regular professional development around both using it and working it into the curriculum. Not just one session before the start of the school year - at least a couple of years' worth of regular sessions to help them figure out how to use it in the lessons they're teaching. Without that, whatever you get will just go to waste.

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  8. Re:Tablet Cart, plz by nine-times · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't have as much faith in a computer for every student, in every class.

    I think the big problem is that people don't necessarily ask and answer this question before they begin implementation: what are we trying to accomplish with these computers?

    I remember when they first started the "computer in every classroom" initiative in my state. It was during the tech bubble of the '90s, and there was a great sense that computers were the new thing, they were a big deal, and the kids should be exposed to them in education. Put them in the classroom, and students will be magically enriched by the experience.

    So they put a single computer into every classroom, and they sat there. There were occasional instances where students were allowed to use them to look something up online, but a few kids went looking for porn, and so next thing you know, students weren't allowed on the computers. Most of the teachers didn't really know how to use them, either, and the computers didn't have anything useful for the teachers anyhow (e.g. computerized grade books to test-creation software). So the computers just sat there and did nothing.

    I don't want to suggest that computer *can't* be useful. Obviously they're good for writing papers. I'm still keeping an eye out for stories about using textbooks with open licensing and digital distribution, which seems like a great direction for us to take over the long term. The potential is tremendous.

    I just believe that projects will generally be much more successful and efficient if you start by formulating a set of goals (and also perhaps things you'd like to avoid), and then figuring out what's necessary to meet those goals. Starting with a set of tools (which is what the computers would be) and then trying to figure out what you might be able to do with those tools tends to end less well.

  9. Thin Client experience by happyslayer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I do IT for a medical practice. What we ended up with was a central server running Fedora and LTS, with thin clients in each of the exam rooms and in the doctor's office.

    This had all the benefits of getting the records available in each room without having to go through individual updates. There are still fat clients/full workstations in the office, but those are primarily for the other work--office manager, accounting, etc.

    since each grade level is different (different lessons, different requirements), I would suggest having a server either for each classroom, grade level, or department. For example, your math classes would need different software (and access) than your English class. You could even set up your foreign-language classes to have the locale set to the language they teach--the kids would have to learn French, Spanish, Russian, etc to use the computers...and the casual contact with that language would reinforce the lessons.

    True, you would lose some of the benefits of "one admin to rule them all," but the software and changes would be compartmentalized--and the Computer instructors could even have more free reign to fix (or damage) their systems as they see fit.

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  10. Old School? by peterofoz · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I vote for paper, pencil, and flowchart templates. That way beginning users don't get confused by all the tech stuff and learn how to think. Nothing makes you think and plan ahead like drawing flowcharts by hand.

    Beyond IT uses for the computers, I recommend the following rather than their computer simulations:

    • Real wood and clay for art classes - get dirty
    • Real books to curl up with by the fireplace for literature
    • Real test tubes, worms & fish, and magnets for sciences
    • Real slide rule, pencils and rulers for math.
    • Real track, field, balls, and gym for physical education
  11. The Wrong Approach... by teknoviking · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The major reason computer technology deployments for K-12 education (in the US at least..)and failed to deliver on it's promises while becoming a black hole of spending in the 90s and early 2000's, is that the approach was similar to the one you describe here.

    Back then, we gave teachers and administrators the latest, greatest technology and expected them to figure out how to use it in order to make instruction better. Some teachers did just that, but they were few and far between. These early adopters created pockets of technology and inconsistency/inequality of instruction across the school landscape. In the worst cases, the technology sat gathering dust in the classroom closet.

    Several years ago I participated in a large-scale Gates Foundation grant to study various models of instruction and gather measurable data about those models. ( Before you jump up-and-down about Micro$oft dealing Windows to our kids, you should know that of the 9 million in grant funding, only 10% could be spent on technology... the majority had to be used to study the instructional outcomes of the various school models.)

    As the result of that study we found a number of proven technologies and techniques that helped to enhance the learning experience.

    1) Before you buy a single piece of Tek, you need an instructional technology plan that will show how the equipment and software that you choose will create the instructional outcomes you want. Results MUST be measurable so that you can share them with the public (partial to justify the expense...) and instructional staff so that you can build and refine your techniques. The plan should be at least 3 years in depth and be flexible enough to absorb changes in administration and instructional staff. If you do not do this first, all the tek in the world wont help you educate kids.

    2) Develop a support plan and a refresh cycle. This is the IT side of the house. You plan should include long term training both for new staff and a constant refreshers for existing staff. You want admin computing (see #3 below ) to be a no-brainier so you can concentrate your resources on the instructional side of the house.

    3) Deploy a standardized technology to instructors and administrators in order to cover the rote administrative tasks like grading, email, communication, Internet research, and word processing. Thin client works very well for this. It's robust and consistent.

    4) No Classroom Computers in Grades K-3: Children at these ages need to focus on interpersonal and cognitive skills. Computer Technology at this level has been shown in many studies to decrease the learning process.

    5) Deploy Smartboards, LCD Projectors, a Presentation PC with an attached "Elmo", and classroom sound amplification system (such as the "FrontRow" product). Of all this equipment, the piece that will make the most difference is the amplification system. This technology has been proven time and time again to increase student learning/comprehension and at the same time, reduce teacher absenteeism.

    6) Consider learning labs and mobile devices such as tablets and laptop carts, if they fit into your instructional technology and support plans and maximize your available resources.

    And just some tips from my own years of experience in edTek:

    -Break the low voltage data infrastructure wiring out from the general contractor who is building your new school. Generals don't understand the big-picture of data. Be sure that the IT staff is involved in the deployment and design of your plant.

    -Don't skimp on power outlets and data jacks!

    -Laptop carts can be very heavy when fully loaded. If you use them, go with more small ones with fewer laptops.

    -If you engage a consultant(s) to oversee your tek deployment, be sure they have lots of experience with school technology. Business folks often don't understand the differences that exist between the private sector and education.
    Don't fret over the Windows/Mac/Linux issue for instruction. If your teachers are edu