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SUSE Studio — Linux Customization For the Masses

apokryphos writes "Novell just released the first alpha of SUSE Studio (screencast), which provides an easy way to customize your own Linux distribution with the software and configuration you want. Among other things, you can spin a Live CD, a USB image, or create a VMware image. It builds upon the already established openSUSE Build Service and KIWI imaging system."

126 comments

  1. Linux for the masses ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Come on, it's not ready for prime time. The driver problem is too much.

    1. Re:Linux for the masses ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the driver issue does need to be addressed - certainly in open sourcing more graphics cards/wireless cards etc, but mainly in developing better drivers rather than drivers.

      That said, this is a fantastic idea. It enables OEMs and IT departments to customize their distros but crucially, with Novell supporting their customizations. This could be a lucrative and innovative business model for operating systems if well implemented. Great too for 'casual' Linux hobbyists bored of Ubuntu but afraid of the command line.

    2. Re:Linux for the masses ? by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      Theres a problem with drivers? I can't recall ever having a driver issue on Linux for supported hardware.

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    3. Re:Linux for the masses ? by DaVince21 · · Score: 1

      The driver problem is definitely a problem, but it shouldn't stop development of everything else.

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  2. Wasn't this a Phil Collins song? by Majik+Sheff · · Score: 5, Funny

    SUSE SUSE Studio

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    1. Re:Wasn't this a Phil Collins song? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've got to have it, have it now.

    2. Re:Wasn't this a Phil Collins song? by sharkey · · Score: 1

      You're just hopped up on Ritalin. Have you seen any Christina Aguilera monsters?

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    3. Re:Wasn't this a Phil Collins song? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SUSE SUSE Studio

      Is that the new program which will allow me to easily make my own custom version of SUSE Studio?

    4. Re:Wasn't this a Phil Collins song? by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      The levels of W1N in this post are varied and abundant.

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    5. Re:Wasn't this a Phil Collins song? by Real1tyCzech · · Score: 1

      No doubt...

      They need to make a youTube commercial for this...

      Do you think Phil Collins is available?

    6. Re:Wasn't this a Phil Collins song? by Abreu · · Score: 1

      Bravo!

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    7. Re:Wasn't this a Phil Collins song? by Trogre · · Score: 1

      So you... don't want to be entertained in a church?

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  3. Yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    For very small values of masses.

    1. Re:Yes by dimeglio · · Score: 3, Funny

      We can now spam distrowatch with a gazillion custom versions!

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    2. Re:Yes by Alan+Turing · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Agreed, has all the signs of a Microsoft project, even the screencast sounds like its straight from the MS marketing department. Beware! MS owns part of Novell, the makers of Suse.

    3. Re:Yes by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      So you're agreeing with yourself? How nice for you.

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    4. Re:Yes by Anarke_Incarnate · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Dude, you are so full of shit, your eyes are brown. Microsoft does NOT own Novell in part nor in whole. Microsoft paid Novell in a cross license/agree not to sue our customers deal. Novell Paid MS in the same deal, just a lot less.

      MS thought they had a Tier 1 Linux vendor by the short hairs and sent press releases saying that Novell agreed that Linux infringed on their IP. Novell released their own stating "Go screw, no we don't" essentially.

      Short of the MS apologist, Miguel, Novell has not agreed with MS in many ways, however they have worked on interoperability with contributions to SAMBA as well as Open Office, to allow better MS Office compatibility for macros and such.

      Before you make yourself look EVEN STUPIDER, I suggest you stop talking.

  4. Correct screencast link... by Zapotek · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:Correct screencast link... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Honestly, what the fuck. We already know the "editors" don't read the articles, but is it too much to ask to verify the links?!?! Sadly, I think the answer is "yes". At this point in time, I see no reason why every single "editor" couldn't be replaced by a simple script.

    2. Re:Correct screencast link... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hey! I wrote all those scripts myself ! I apologize for KDawson, I wrote that one when I was nodding off on heroin.

      -- Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda

    3. Re:Correct screencast link... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Honestly, what the fuck. We already know the "editors" don't read the articles, but is it too much to ask to verify the links?!?! Sadly, I think the answer is "yes". At this point in time, I see no reason why every single "editor" couldn't be replaced by a simple script.

      You must be new here.

    4. Re:Correct screencast link... by Mish · · Score: 3, Funny

      I put this script together a while back to help me relive the days of quality slashdot content.

      curl --silent http://feeds.digg.com/digg/container/technology/popular.rss http://feeds.digg.com/digg/container/science/popular.rss http://feeds.digg.com/digg/container/gaming/popular.rss | grep -e "<title>digg.com: Stories" -e "<link>http://feeds.digg.com" | sed -e '/<title>digg.com/s//slashdot.org/g' -e '/<\/title>/s///g' -e '/<link>/s///g' -e '/<\/link>/s///g'

      Yes, I'm kidding, Yes, it works.

    5. Re:Correct screencast link... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oh crap, the CmdrTaco script is now self-aware and self-replicating.

    6. Re:Correct screencast link... by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nuke it from orbit -- it's the only way to be sure.

      (There goes my karma, but someone had to say it.)

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  5. Bad link in summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
  6. IE not supported... by Ramsees · · Score: 0, Troll

    "Your browser is not officially supported We have detected that the browser you are using, Microsoft Internet Explorer, is not officially supported. Currently, for the alpha of SUSE Studio, we only support Firefox 2 and 3, and Safari 3." Way to go SUSE, not supporting the most used web browser on earth.

    1. Re:IE not supported... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Saved them some time. If IE was compliant, there wouldn't be a problem.

    2. Re:IE not supported... by palegray.net · · Score: 2, Funny

      Citation needed.

    3. Re:IE not supported... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It's an alpha, genius. Not only that, but their target demographic is *gasp* people who use linux, which has no official version of IE.

    4. Re:IE not supported... by aliquis · · Score: 1

      "That's bullshit."

      Here you go.

      Though I agree, or atleast enjoy it and think it was cool that they complained on IE. Too bad SuSE isn't really good ..

    5. Re:IE not supported... by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 1

      Considering they are currently "in alpha testing, with a limited number of invited users," it's not exactly dire. Especially since they further add that, "Right now, during this stage in the alpha, Internet Explorer simply does not work," and taht "We do plan on supporting Internet Explorer 7 sometime in the future."

      Just because an early alpha test of the system doesn't support IE doesn't mean it's never going to. Is it really that surprising that a Linux project in the alpha stage would give preference to FF and Opera over IE?

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    6. Re:IE not supported... by Ramsees · · Score: 0

      Because Opera is so wide used, right?, it doesn't even render half the internet good for Christ sake.

    7. Re:IE not supported... by russlar · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Your browser is not officially supported We have detected that the browser you are using, Microsoft Internet Explorer, is not officially supported. Currently, for the alpha of SUSE Studio, we only support Firefox 2 and 3, and Safari 3."

      FUCKING YES!

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    8. Re:IE not supported... by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Right, but please tell me where at microsoft.com I can download my Linux version of Internet Explorer?

      Oh right, you can't.

      If IE mattered for the demographic that will be using this service, then supporting it would be a priority. However it's not, so it's not a priority.

      Grow up.

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    9. Re:IE not supported... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sucked in.

    10. Re:IE not supported... by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      "Because Opera is so wide used, right?"

      Yes, I'd say is orders of magnitude more used than IE on the Linux platform.

    11. Re:IE not supported... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Apparently the site only creates Linux distributions. It would be nice if you could roll your own windows cd, too. I'll file both bugs right now.

    12. Re:IE not supported... by Mystra_x64 · · Score: 1

      Your karma must be really bad. And I'm not talking about /. karma here. Opera works for me with all sites I use. Besides I don't think you need Christ and his bottle of sake to browse the Web ~

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    13. Re:IE not supported... by palegray.net · · Score: 1

      I want my own OS/2 derivative. Oh, wait...

    14. Re:IE not supported... by Ramsees · · Score: 0

      I do not need Christ, but I do have a Karma, you sound confused.

    15. Re:IE not supported... by RiotingPacifist · · Score: 4, Funny

      i believe i speak for all* linux users when i say:
      HAHAHA, how does it feel now bitches!!! oh yeah now its your turn!

      *well im sure that's how my mate feels and as microsoft has pointed out many a time, there are in fact only 3 people using linux.

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    16. Re:IE not supported... by Mystra_x64 · · Score: 1

      It wasn't meant to be taken seriously.

      Though Opera is still works, unless we are talking about ActiveX.

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    17. Re:IE not supported... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      We have detected that the browser you are using, Opera, is not officially supported. Currently, for the alpha of SUSE Studio, we only support Firefox 2 and 3, and Safari 3.

      Other browsers which will most likely work are the various Gecko & WebKit based browsers (Epiphany, Konqueror (with kde4-webkitpart), Camino) AND OPERA.

      WTF!

    18. Re:IE not supported... by protobion · · Score: 1

      Interestingly, the screencast seems to be made on Windows , with Camtasia as the capture software and Linux running under a VMWare virtual machine.

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    19. Re:IE not supported... by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      I don't have IE at home, but if this is true, my desire to try this has gone up.

      (BTW it works in Konqueror.)

    20. Re:IE not supported... by FishWithAHammer · · Score: 2, Informative

      Better than Ubuntu, IMO. Their tools feel more polished.

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    21. Re:IE not supported... by The+Cisco+Kid · · Score: 1

      People who are either stupid, obstinate, or uninformed enough to *STILL* use IE (even on Windows) should be shunned from everything on the web.

      Did they at least include a link to download Firefox, so at least the latter (uninformed) could be helped?

    22. Re:IE not supported... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you sound confused.

      I must admit that's exactly what I was thinking as I read through every one of your comments. Very entertaining reading at first, then it just became sad. Seriously man, get a clue.

    23. Re:IE not supported... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's funny how people complain about Novell being in Microsoft's pocket, then you see awesome stuff like this come up.

    24. Re:IE not supported... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speaking tools to be polished....brb

    25. Re:IE not supported... by mooreti1 · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Your browser is not officially supported We have detected that the browser you are using, Microsoft Internet Explorer, is not officially supported. Currently, for the alpha of SUSE Studio, we only support Firefox 2 and 3, and Safari 3." Way to go SUSE, not supporting the most used web browser on earth.

      Dude, we thank you for telling us...even though I don't know if I'd admit to using IE. You are buh-rave!

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    26. Re:IE not supported... by lysergic.acid · · Score: 4, Interesting

      as a web developer, i definitely agree that not having to support IE saves a lot of development time. on most projects i've worked on, about 20% of the development time is spent going back and forth with the client to come up with a layout design that they're happy with. only 5% of the time is used to cut up the graphics and actually implement the layout for standards-compliant browsers like Firefox/Safari/Opera/etc., which is pretty straight forward; just follow the W3C specs, and if it works in one browser, it'll pretty much work in all of them.

      but the most painful part of any project is trying to get your site, which validates and renders properly in all other browsers, to render correctly in IE--which takes up the remaining 75% of the development time. not only is it a huge PITA for web developers (who are forced to mangle their previously elegant & well-formed code with a patchwork of unwieldy CSS hacks and clumsy JavaScript), but it also costs website owners a ton of money (if your designer/developer charges by the hour--which most smart freelance web developers do) as well. sure, the percentage may be less if it's a relatively simple site, or the designer creates the layout with tables, or if they simply design the site just for IE, standards be damned. but on the whole, supporting IE takes more time, effort, and money than is required for all other browsers added together.

      however, in this case i think SUSE is a large enough company that they can afford to spend the money on IE support. so if their site doesn't work in IE, it's probably done on purpose to, either, a.) support web standards (and send a message to IE users), b.) support Firefox (and send a message to IE users), or c.) filter out clueless IE users that don't belong on their site. i mean, this service isn't exactly aimed at the typical computer novice who accidentally wandered out of their AOL/MSN playpen. anyone who's expected to use this site would know better than to use IE.

    27. Re:IE not supported... by FishWithAHammer · · Score: 0, Troll

      I know twitter says he doesn't like it, but we all know he does. Keep polishing!

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    28. Re:IE not supported... by nikanth · · Score: 1

      Novell... interoperability?! But I like it ;)

    29. Re:IE not supported... by Daengbo · · Score: 0, Troll

      That's because video production tools on Linux aren't really up to speed. GTKRecordMyDesktop or Istanbul? Both are severely limited, and Istanbul has a years-old bug for many systems requiring full shots for every scree, in addition to sound hosing the screencast. For post-production, PiTiVi is a toy, while Kino and KDEnlive have promise, but don't work consistently well.

      I almost installed an XP VM image just so that I could get a good screencast system, but instead I'm just faking it with Salasaga. I couldn't live with myself otherwise.

    30. Re:IE not supported... by AnyoneEB · · Score: 1

      You mean like nLite/vLite?

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    31. Re:IE not supported... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Reading is an art-form, it seems:

      "Opera, is not officially supported" versus
      "Other browsers which will most likely work ... OPERA"

      What part didn't you understand?

    32. Re:IE not supported... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, they're customisations. Analogy time - nLite/vLite is buying a factory-made car and taking out the bits you don't like and putting in the bits you do. This is something that you're already free to do in any Linux, using package managers and/or scripts for package managers. This SuSe thing is like going to a car parts show and picking out a bunch of parts, and putting it all together. This is also possible for linux currently, but you have to build your own kernel (difficult, risky and time-consuming) - it is not possible for Windows. The outcome of both is essentially the same (assuming you did it properly in both cases), but the processes are opposites.

    33. Re:IE not supported... by cerberusss · · Score: 3, Insightful

      but the most painful part of any project is trying to get your site, which validates and renders properly in all other browsers, to render correctly in IE--which takes up the remaining 75% of the development time

      I find that percentage hard to believe. Almost all IE6 bugs have been thoroughly documented including fixes. If you consistently spend that percentage of time, then I think you need to rethink your process. For example, one developer could focus on IE6 bugs and port your layouts. That person would have most bugs (including fixes) in his head.

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    34. Re:IE not supported... by lysergic.acid · · Score: 1

      first off, just because its litany of bugs, nonstandard implementations, and lack of standard features have been thoroughly documented does not mean they're no longer an issue. secondly, cumbersome hacks and awkward workarounds are not "fixes." a 'fix' would be a patch released by Microsoft that actually fixes those issues.

      like i said, depending on the complexity of the site/layout you're working on, that percentage may vary. but for most reasonably intricate professional layouts, that is about the time ratio you should expect to devote to kludging IE support into your site. naturally, this doesn't include application development time, which can vary greatly from site to site. but if you spend 2hrs implementing your layout in Firefox/Safari/etc. then you're liable to spend 30hrs trying to get the site to render properly in IE--or give up half-way and simply change the design.

      if you're developing a complex web application, it's generally a good idea to use some kind of framework that will handle certain aspects of cross-browser compatibility for you. and that will certainly save you a lot of time and trouble. but no matter what framework or toolkit you use, you're not going to make IE6 render tiled PNG backgrounds that support alpha-channel transparency. the only "fix" is to not use PNG backgrounds with alpha-channel transparency.

    35. Re:IE not supported... by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      Exactly. In my experience as a professional web-developer, it went something like this: http://www.boogdesign.com/b2evo/media/breakdown.png

      Except that it was not an extra space, but an extra period that Internet Explorer was throwing a wobbly over, and that took me two weeks to debug!!

      I always said, I don't hate. Period. ...Until I had to develop a mock-up operating-system web-site in the IE.

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    36. Re:IE not supported... by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      Oh, and I did not give up and use tables! And this was in the times of IE 5 and 6.

      Thank Joe Pesci for FireBug!

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    37. Re:IE not supported... by richlv · · Score: 1

      ..and it's in flash, which i do not want to load in my browser. dang. could have been interesting. maybe i should fire (eh) up firefox...

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    38. Re:IE not supported... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about IE7 Bugs?

    39. Re:IE not supported... by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      Oddly enough, it took the FOSS comunity to get IE on Linux.

      Why you'd use it, though, I don't know.

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    40. Re:IE not supported... by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      Because English is so wide used, right?, it isn't even speaked half good on the internet for Christ sake.

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    41. Re:IE not supported... by quadrox · · Score: 1

      Best comment ever :D

      (yeah yeah, it's offtopic, but I thoroughly enjoyed it)

    42. Re:IE not supported... by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      Almost all IE6 bugs have been thoroughly documented including fixes.

      It doesn't support a lot things (CSS related) other browsers do, it has some really bad bugs and designing a website in the proper mannor of doing tihngs will not work with IE6. Period.

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    43. Re:IE not supported... by cerberusss · · Score: 1

      I totally agree. However, that's not an excuse for putting 75% of your time in supporting it. Some policies will go a long way to avoid spending so much time on this old browser. Having a list of IE bugs alongside work is one. Graceful degradation is another.

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    44. Re:IE not supported... by Xabraxas · · Score: 1

      What about IE7 Bugs?

      This is a good point. While IE7 isn't nearly as bad as IE6, it still sucks compared to any of the other major browsers. There are still some things that are not implemented in IE7 that are in all the other browsers and they JS implementation is by far the worst of the bunch.

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    45. Re:IE not supported... by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      Having a list of IE bugs alongside work is one

      You do realize, the list is so long, it's faster to google search every little element you use and see if there is a workaround.

      Graceful degradation is another.

      Graceful degradation never worked for me because the correct graceful way never worked for IE to begin with.

      Such as recently, I tried to get checkboxes stylized as tabs using just CSS for a search bar - could not use javascript due to certain filters screwing up javascripts in some crappy software like norton internet security suite.

      If it degraded properly with IE6, it would of been plain checkboxes, but no, it appears as unclickable stylized tabs.

      Of course, then I had the IF IE tags, which wern't very helpful because the later versions of IE, despite the tags saying IE5 to IE6 only decided to use those tags so it looked horrible in the latest version of IE too.

      My workaround for the problem was very unclean, tables (because of CSS positioning bugs that wouldn't work even with workarounds in IE6), images generated on the spot by PHP since the checkboxes had dynamically generated content.

      Sorry, this is a mess and unacceptable. I don't want to touch IE anymore, period.

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    46. Re:IE not supported... by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      The only usage I can think of is for testing - making sure your page renders correctly.

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    47. Re:IE not supported... by DaVince21 · · Score: 1

      Because Opera is so wide used, right?, it doesn't even render half the internet good for Christ sake.

      Well, that's the fault of all those sites not being compliant and IE being way too forgiving on compliance.

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    48. Re:IE not supported... by DaVince21 · · Score: 1

      That's because he drank a bit too much of Christ's sake.

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  7. Actual screencast URL by moonbender · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually, the screencast is at http://studio.suse.com/, not suse.studio.com, which is an adfarm that just struck gold.

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    1. Re:Actual screencast URL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      psh. I'm in the wrong community if /\/\/.ers are now following ad farm links.

    2. Re:Actual screencast URL by palegray.net · · Score: 1

      /\/\/.ers

      What community is that, Wavers?

    3. Re:Actual screencast URL by DMUTPeregrine · · Score: 1

      No, Mslashers. They violently attack the use of the letter "M." Oh god, one's right behind me. My spleen!

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    4. Re:Actual screencast URL by solafide · · Score: 1

      I thought we had more KSlashers than gNoMeslashers. Aaah! There's a dragon behind me!

    5. Re:Actual screencast URL by jamesswift · · Score: 1

      Brings new meaning to RTFA and Slashvertizement!

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  8. Don't Mod Me Down - Grroosss! by Philip+K+Dickhead · · Score: 0, Redundant

    You wanna stay out with your fancy friends.
    I'm tellin' you it's got to be the end,
    Don't mod me down, no no no no no no no no!

    I'll tell you once more, before I get off the floor
    Don't mod me down.

    Don't mod me down, grroosss
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  9. Opera, Konqueror works so does eLinks (sort of) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Opera and Konqueror (KDE-4.2, Ultimate (ubuntu Intrepid)) work fine. Elinks displays the page and the links work, but, without flash, there is no vidie.

  10. The masses? by john.picard · · Score: 1

    Linux customization for the masses?

    "Well, I for one resent it when a representative of the people refers to you and me--the free man and woman of this country--as 'the masses.'"
    --Ronald Reagan, in his speech on behalf of Senator Barry Goldwater, October 27, 1964.

    The free users of free software shouldn't be called "the masses" either.

  11. Looks to be extremely handy.... by ducomputergeek · · Score: 1

    OpenSuSE/SLES/SLED are our preferred distros around here for our POS and ERP systems just because it was a fluke that it was the first distro to install correctly on the test/development machines without having to hunt down drivers or getting a kernel panic. But this will make creating a disc image for our Point of Sales systems extremely easy and I'm glad to see it.

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  12. An Excellent Idea by hduff · · Score: 1

    This would be a great tool if it works out. Hopefully it will be GPL and can be adapted to other distros. Very forward thinking on SUSE's part.

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    1. Re:An Excellent Idea by apokryphos · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Indeed, it is actually designed to be friendly for other distributions as well. Both the build service and KIWI (both GPL) intentionally have generic designs so that you can both build packages for other distributions, and build customisable versions of other distributions, too. It's a really nice thing: when a distribution goes out of their way to ensure that others can benefit from the tools as well.

    2. Re:An Excellent Idea by do_kev · · Score: 1

      Indeed, it is actually designed to be friendly for other distributions as well. Both the build service and KIWI (both GPL) intentionally have generic designs so that you can both build packages for other distributions, and build customisable versions of other distributions, too. It's a really nice thing: when a distribution goes out of their way to ensure that others can benefit from the tools as well.

      Or, to be cynical, perhaps so that they wouldn't have to rewrite it if they wanted to do any major overhauls of suse?

    3. Re:An Excellent Idea by houghi · · Score: 1

      It was already possible for a while to make your own openSUSE based distribution with e.g. makeSUSEdvd. The main issue was there that you still had all the branding of openSUSE/Novell on your system potentially violating their trademark.

      When asked if it was possible to do something about it, the legal department of Novell told me that they must enforce their trademark or loose it. They were not happy about that.
      So what Novell did was make a tool to remove the trademarks: http://en.opensuse.org/Rembrand

      They always have been helpful in finding a way to make your own openSUSE (and even SUSE Enterprise) based distribution.

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    4. Re:An Excellent Idea by apokryphos · · Score: 1

      Yeah, you know how likely it is that SUSE will switch to the Debian packaging system... There's no way to get around it: I know for a fact that they've designed them in this way because developers like being able to get wide collaboration and benefiting the most amount of people.

  13. OpenID by phantomcircuit · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Finally someone actually using OpenID as a consumer.

    1. Re:OpenID by thetartanavenger · · Score: 2, Funny

      First time I've ever seen something using OpenID, and it refused to let me login. Dang alpha signup.

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    2. Re:OpenID by houghi · · Score: 1

      And it is silly. I have accounts with Novell.com and those are the same as those from openSUSE.com yet I do not see the possibility to use that one.

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  14. Bring the noise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Must be a cool skateboard video up on digg or something. Haven't seen the Novel hate group yet.

  15. "Mass customization" by techno-vampire · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In TFA, Matthew Richards is quoted as saying, "We didn't achieve mass customization of cars until Ford thought up the assembly line." No, Mr. Richards, that's not what Ford's assembly line achieved. It achieved mass production of essentially identical cars. That's why, for many years, you could buy a Ford in any color you wanted, as long as you wanted black. Similarly, you can use this software to produce any custom Linux you want, as long as you want it based on Open SuSe.

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    1. Re:"Mass customization" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm glad it's based on OpenSuSE not SuSE linux Eneterprise Desktop/Server.
      I've got an OpenSuse 10.1 server at home, console only installation, the only services are BIND, SAMBA and VMWare Server. This this runs a server with Cyrus and fetchmail, a server with ISP Config and an iFolder server. All installed at differetn times, and their config is all a little different, now if I could just pick configs from a list, and have an ISO made for each one, that would make resetting up or reconfiguring really simple, and make patching easier as they would all be one base distro 8)

    2. Re:"Mass customization" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You may want to upgrade that box if you have services touching the internet:
      See the SUSE Linux Lifetime page.
      Unless you meant openSUSE 11.1 then you can safely ignore this for a while.

    3. Re:"Mass customization" by mgblst · · Score: 2, Interesting

      6. Any Color As Long As It's Black - The myth that the Model T only came in black probably comes from the reality that almost 12 million of the 15 million total Model Ts were black. But, in the early and late years of Model T production, the car was produced in many different colors, including blue, red, green and grey. Oddly, many these hues were so dark they were hardly discernable from black, another reason the myth lives on.

      http://www.seriouswheels.com/cars/def/top-Ford-Model-T-Centennial.htm

    4. Re:"Mass customization" by horza · · Score: 1

      The supposed myth comes directly from a quote by Henry Ford. In fact it appears there was a time where you could only buy a Model T in black, from the point the assembly line was developed, so it's not really a myth.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Ford:
      "By 1918, half of all cars in America were Model T's. However, it was a monolithic block; as Ford wrote in his autobiography, "Any customer can have a car painted any colour that he wants so long as it is black". Until the development of the assembly line, which mandated black because of its quicker drying time, Model T's were available in other colors including red."

      Phillip.

  16. no more crapware? by xoundmind · · Score: 1

    So can I get a Gnome install without Gnibbles?

    1. Re:no more crapware? by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 1

      So can I get a Gnome install without Gnibbles?

      Do you really care about Gnibbles that much? Delete the binary & remove it from your menu.

      Remember - one mans crapware is another man's treasure. Its only 60k, so why remove it?

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    2. Re:no more crapware? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So can I get a Gnome install without Gnibbles?

      install gentoo

      problem solved

    3. Re:no more crapware? by erikina · · Score: 1

      You don't need to install it with a normal (DVD) openSUSE gnome install either. There's a lot more power than meets the eye.

      On the "confirm" screen in which it lists all your settings and choices the headline "Software choices" (under which gnome is listed) is clickable. Click to get access to a full package manager.

  17. How is this news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't this old news? I have been carrying Ubuntu on my key chain USB drive for about 6 months.

    1. Re:How is this news? by apokryphos · · Score: 1

      You quite palpably haven't read the article, or seen the screencast. USB images are not new at all. This is about a new user being able to easily roll any image (USB, VMware, installable live CD) with all the packages that they want (from any repositories) and all the configurations/files they want, all conveniently from a web interface. It's quite innovative and revolutionary.

    2. Re:How is this news? by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      Don't reply to those. Every linux article has to have someone say that Ybuntu has been doing x for years

    3. Re:How is this news? by rufus+t+firefly · · Score: 1

      Don't reply to those. Every linux article has to have someone say that Ybuntu has been doing x for years

      I think the instance of ubuntu doing that would be "uck". SUSE Studio does seem to be more aimed at end users, though.

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  18. Car analogy..... ... .... by w0mprat · · Score: 3, Informative
    FTFA:

    "We didn't achieve mass customization of cars until Ford thought up the assembly line. We need the equivalent of the assembly line in the (operating system) world:"

    Err, no we don't, at least not Dell/Apple's definition of 'customization' where you have two or three choices of hardrive upgrade options, each increment of cost would buy your the retail part outright.

    Worse, ford and his mass production gave us any colour so long as it's black.

    This is rather the opposite and a Good Thing. The better analogy would have been the custom car scene from the 1950s onwards, where you can pay for a customized build, rather than do all the work yourself. This might get frowns from those who like object to paying someone do it.

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    1. Re:Car analogy..... ... .... by kenh · · Score: 1

      The customization of cars was revolutionized (defined) by Lee Iacoca and Ford when they introduced the Mustang in April, 1964 - it had an unheard-of number of options, unlike any car that came before it.

      I forget the actual number, but at a time when a base Mustang was between $2,500 and $3,000 it wasn't unusual for shoppers to add several hundred dollars of options to their car.

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  19. Longterm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can't have mass "customization" if you don't have mass production.

  20. Fedora Spins? by kenh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Haven't I seen this before - yes, over on Fedora, they have a "spins" functionality, making this an evolutionary, not revolutionary improvement.

    http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CustomSpins

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    1. Re:Fedora Spins? by erikina · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's not even in the same league. A fedora spin is very difficult, cumbersome and far more trouble than its worth. (Unless you're doing an official spin). Revisor makes it a little more palpable, but it's buggy as hell (I've not been able to get it to work, not even once.)

      From the screencast this looks easy as pie, but I'll reserve my final judgment for when I try it.

  21. Wow, nice work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This looks awesome, guess it also lets people easily create distributions derived from OpenSUSE; my-own-SUSE with splash to match :-)

  22. Similar to Fedora's revisor? by perrin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Judging from the screencast, this looks just like what Fedora is trying to do with the revisor application. I wonder how fast it is, though. In the screencast, it looked like the image was created almost instantly, while revisor can take hours to complete, and it is so full of bugs and so hard to make working images with that it is IMHO nearly unusable. I have spent days trying to make revisor and then pungi create working images with a custom kickstart file, but eventually had to go over to doing everything by hand instead. I really hope SuSe deliver on their promises on this, it will make life so much simpler for people working with embedded systems and kiosk systems.

  23. I thought... by Hurricane78 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...that's, what Gentoo Linux is for.

    You can't get any more customization, without doing Linux from scratch.

    And why in the world would I want to install an RPM-based package manager, when I can have a Ports-based one?

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  24. Is that you, Ballmer? by rts008 · · Score: 1

    You must be new here.

    And not very bright...Keep drinking the Koolaid...And yes, it does run on Linux!

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  25. Yes by Alan+Turing · · Score: 1

    I'm replying to and agreeing with the original comment. That's how the thread system works.

  26. Re:Too little, too late. by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

    Between artificially inflated hardware costs and DRM lock-in, Linux is light-years ahead.

    Once again, consumer choice wins.

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  27. Re:Too little, too late. by Real1tyCzech · · Score: 1

    What DRM lock-in?

    Don't worry, I won't be expecting an answer related at all to actual DRM included in the OSes listed above. I know that'd be too much work for you...and you'd likely explode when you finally realized the only DRM in those OSes is support for playback...no lock-in.

    G'day, troll! (This in no way implies that the OP is not also a troll)

  28. Novell are not working on Open Office by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They have worked on increased interoperability of their version of Open Office.

    That's an important difference. They are adapting their version of Open Office to run VB macros in a VB compatibility mode rather than translating the VB to the native code. So what? It means that Open Office will always be second best at running VB macros ( of course ) and fewer people will be encouraged to write Open Office native macros - which is what Microsoft want to avoid.

    Client compatibility with Microsoft servers and languages is second best for Microsoft, but still a lot better than having new projects developed natively on a rival platform.

    Novell can put out all the statements they like. Words are cheap. Novell is doing what Microsoft wants them to do.

    1. Re:Novell are not working on Open Office by Anarke_Incarnate · · Score: 1
      When you cannot run your 3yr old documents on OpenOffice businesses don't even consider running it. Microsoft REALLY wants you to use their macros on a free product they cannot control. In fact, the less that works with Microsoft the better. We should not use SAMBA and instead force everybody to use NFS for windows.....

      Get over yourself. The fact is, Novell is giving a lot back. They are taking WAY too much flack for their ill advised involvement with Microsoft. They did not sell out. They are helping AMD build their 3d drivers, doing important work with KDE, Gnome, the kernel, AppArmor, et al. And, until software patents are tossed out in their entirety, they are putting their portfolio of patents together as part of the OIN to help protect open source initiatives.

  29. Wonderful! by crusher-1 · · Score: 1

    According to the website, Konqueror (3.5.10) isn't supported. One gets bumped to a page informing one of this advent and you are further instructed to use Safari or Firefox (2 or 3). Way to go Novell/SUSE! Gotta love a website promoting a product that doesn't support the primary webbrowser provide by said product maker! Sheesh!