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New Ads That Watch You

Pandanapper writes to tell us Yahoo is reporting that if you find yourself watching an ad on a video screen in a public venue, the ad may be watching you as well. "Small cameras can now be embedded in the screen or hidden around it, tracking who looks at the screen and for how long. The makers of the tracking systems say the software can determine the viewer's gender, approximate age range and, in some cases, ethnicity -- and can change the ads accordingly. That could mean razor ads for men, cosmetics ads for women and video-game ads for teens."

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  1. Not just in Soviet Russia by EvilVassago · · Score: 4, Funny

    In Soviet America Ads Watch You

  2. Ha! I'll show them. by Chyeld · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm a teenaged bearded woman, those insensitive clods!

    1. Re:Ha! I'll show them. by MightyYar · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's nothing... I'm sitting here in front of my new Sony flatscreen with integrated AdCam, watching Dora with my toddler. We get a phone call: "Hello Sir, this is Nickelodeon. We can't quite make out the race of the little girl sitting next to you."

      I patiently explain that my wife is black and so she's a mix of black and white, and what happens? Nothing but Oreo ads. Every. Single. Time.

      I knew I shouldn't have paid extra for the AdCam.

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      W..w..W - Willy Waterloo washes Warren Wiggins who is washing Waldo Woo.
    2. Re:Ha! I'll show them. by Missing_dc · · Score: 4, Funny

      so fuck em up, wear a smurf costume or paint yourself and watch TV naked.

      oh hell, just do it for fun.

      --
      How amazed would you be to suddenly find that you just forgot what I wrote and you needed to reread my post.... again.
    3. Re:Ha! I'll show them. by gbjbaanb · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm a man, and I only pay attention to those ads targetted at women. Especially the shower gel, bikini and lingerie ones.

    4. Re:Ha! I'll show them. by Culture20 · · Score: 4, Funny

      But still wear the Smurf costume.

  3. Welcom Advertising Overlords by carrier+lost · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That could mean razor ads for men, cosmetics ads for women and video-game ads for teens.

    ...ads for tissues for people picking their noses
    ads for itch powder for people scratching their crotches
    and ads for weapons for people giving the sign the finger.

    1. Re:Welcom Advertising Overlords by meeotch · · Score: 5, Funny

      Does that mean that the screens will be showing porn whenever I'm in the room? Freaking SWEET!

    2. Re:Welcom Advertising Overlords by Missing_dc · · Score: 4, Funny

      Does that mean that the screens will be showing porn whenever I'm in the room? Freaking SWEET!

      Naw dude, that's not porn it's an ad for penile enlargement products.

      with your face super-imposed from the camera!!

      --
      How amazed would you be to suddenly find that you just forgot what I wrote and you needed to reread my post.... again.
  4. Cool ... the possibilities by EvilDrMike · · Score: 4, Funny

    Diet adds for fat people
    Cosmetic surgery adds for ugly people
    Maybe even lawyer adds if you get run over while staring at the screen

    -EDM

    1. Re:Cool ... the possibilities by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Diet adds for fat people

      I find your faith in advertisers disturbing.
      If they see fat people, they will advertise junk food, not diets because impulse sales are so much easier and lucrative.

    2. Re:Cool ... the possibilities by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Informative

      Sir, you fail bizness. For a long-term revenue stream, you sell them both.

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  5. Likely article the submitter was referring to by Chyeld · · Score: 4, Informative

    from the AP
    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gtt0GDVKp2kUEw39aEGal9yfYmjgD961JH500

    When you watch these ads, the ads check you out
    By DINESH RAMDE - 5 hours ago

    MILWAUKEE (AP) -- Watch an advertisement on a video screen in a mall, health club or grocery store and there's a slim -- but growing -- chance the ad is watching you too.

    Small cameras can now be embedded in the screen or hidden around it, tracking who looks at the screen and for how long. The makers of the tracking systems say the software can determine the viewer's gender, approximate age range and, in some cases, ethnicity -- and can change the ads accordingly.

    That could mean razor ads for men, cosmetics ads for women and video-game ads for teens.

    And even if the ads don't shift based on which people are watching, the technology's ability to determine the viewers' demographics is golden for advertisers who want to know how effectively they're reaching their target audience.

    While the technology remains in limited use for now, advertising industry analysts say it is finally beginning to live up to its promise. The manufacturers say their systems can accurately determine gender 85 to 90 percent of the time, while accuracy for the other measures continues to be refined.

    The concept is reminiscent of the science-fiction movie "Minority Report," in which Tom Cruise's character enters a mall and finds that retinal scanners identify him and prompt personalized ads that greet him by name.

    But this technology doesn't go nearly that far. It doesn't identify people individually -- it simply categorizes them by outward appearances.

    So a video screen might show a motorcycle ad for a group of men, but switch to a minivan ad when women and children join them, said Vicki Rabenou, the chief measurement officer of Tampa, Fla.-based TruMedia Technologies Inc., one of the leaders in developing the technology.

    "This is proactive merchandising," Rabenou said. "You're targeting people with smart ads."

    Because the tracking industry is still in its infancy, there isn't yet consensus on how to refer to the technology. Some call it face reading, face counting, gaze tracking or, more generally, face-based audience measurement.

    Whatever it's called, advertisers are finally ready to try it, said advertising consultant Jack Sullivan, a senior vice president of Starcom USA in Chicago. "I think you're going to see a lot of movement toward it by the end of this year in the top 10 markets," he said.

    Because face tracking might feel reminiscent of Big Brother, manufacturers are racing to offer reassurances. When the systems capture an image of who's watching the screen, a computer instantly analyzes it. The systems' manufacturers insist, however, that nothing is ever stored and no identifying information is ever associated with the pictures. That makes the system less intrusive than a surveillance camera that records what it sees, the developers say.

    The idea still worries Lee Tien, a senior staff attorney with the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a civil-liberties group in San Francisco. Tien said it's not enough to say some system is "not as bad as some other technology," and argues that cameras that study people contribute to an erosion of privacy.

    In general, the tracking systems work like this: A sensor or camera in or near the screen identifies viewers' faces by picking up shapes, colors and the relative speed of movement. The concept is similar to the way consumer cameras now can automatically make sure faces are in focus.

    When the ad system pinpoints a face, it compares shapes and patterns to faces that are already identified in a database as male or female. That lets the system predict the person's gender almost immediately.

    "The most important features seem to be cheekbones, fullness of lips and the gap between the eyebrows," said Paolo Prandoni, chief scienti

  6. Re:No... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here's the actual article, taken from the Firehose entry:

    http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20090130/ap_on_hi_te/tec_nosy_ads

    I wish the editors didn't get so tricky with the links all the time. If they'd just plop what was posted on the front page, we wouldn't have this problem.

    *wistfully remembers the days before the awfulness that is Firehose*

  7. Go ahead... nobody else is looking by Adrian+Lopez · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I wonder this might be used for nefarious purposes.

    if (minor_is_alone)
      play(cigarette_ad.avi);
    else
      play(tickle_me_elmo.avi);

    --
    "In prison you just have to shut your eyes and take it. Here you have to shut your eyes and give it."
  8. If this means... by Reapman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... less Tampon ad's, count me IN. As long as their not tying into credit card or purchasing history it doesn't bother me. I don't really want to have to start clearing out my real life "cookies" everytime I finish a shopping trip.

  9. Personal perspective here? by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is marketing gone too far, but not for the reasons you're thinking. Technology is being misused here because this is profiling in a pretty mask. This very same technology is used in airports, trying to identify people's emotions, their age, ethnicity, gender, and every other physical attribute we can categorize and has at least a minimal social meaning. And although the argument for harm here is greatly diminished (I get an advertisement not meant for me versus an unsolicited gloved finger, optional lube), it's still non-zero.

    As an aside, things that were unimaginable even ten years ago for surveillance are now commonplace. Did you know that every almost Target store in the United States is being fitted (or retrofitted) with Automatic Number Plate Recognition systems? In english, they tag you to your car. And in another five years or so, likely your face, credit card number, and possibly driver's license information, all together. The technology is already installed, it just needs a software update. And I should know -- I pushed those updates and worked with the guys who managed the camera installations. And before you jump on Target for this -- thousands of businesses are doing the same thing. And some of them are sharing their data, creating black lists and more. It won't be long before no matter where you go, you're being weighed, measured, and found wanting. And you were worried about black helicopters and guys in suits with no sense of humor? At least the NSA, CIA, FBI, and other three-letter acronym'd agencies have laws, rules, procedures, and professional codes of conduct to uphold. And appeals processes. Good luck getting out of Target's system... You'll still be there, long after your body has decomposed in a hole somewhere. All you geeks dreamed of an interconnected world; Everything is part of the 'net. Well, it is. And what a hell it is.

    But back to the topic at hand... Even people can't guess gender, ethnicity, or age with a high degree of accuracy. A computer, by necessity, will be far worse at this. And I have a very good idea of how that's going to go over. See, my gender is difficult to tell. At the drive-thru or on the phone, I am a "ma'am". At the post office service desk, I'm usually a "sir". On the bus, I get eyes from creepy old guys and straight girls. And both lesbians and gays, amusingly enough. My life is full of delicious ambiguity. My friend's ethnicity, because of a delicate balance of traits, is taken for whatever race the person looking at her happens to be. It has led to some VERY interesting social engagements.

    But as amusing as it is most of the time, it has been dangerous and frustrating at other times. I was once refused admission to an urgent care on the grounds that my medical card had the right name on it, but the wrong gender. That made for an expensive and unnecessary trip to ER. I've called my bank before and been told that I couldn't access my account (despite giving all the requisite details) -- same reason. My friend was nearly jumped for wearing "gang colors" -- a situation that my white friends have never experienced. Getting these "little" social details wrong can have severe consequences for a person.

    And to bring it all home, imagine walking by one of these machines and having it spring to life, point to you and say in a loud booming voice -- "You should try our new maxi pads, miss!" if you're a guy. Or getting a "Gilette! The best a man can get!" commercial if you're a girl. Oops. The possibilities for embarrassment are endless... and you'd better believe someone's going to sue over this. And rightfully so.

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  10. "Minority Report" strikes again by bfwebster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While I think there were some plot holes and flaws in Spielberg's adaptation of "Minority Report", and I firmly believe he wussed out on the ending, the film has had a remarkable knack of pointing out realistic future technologies (witness how the midair-gesture-oriented UIs keep popping up). Of course, "Minority Report" had the public ads that not only recognized your gender, etc., but actually recognized you. Given advances in face and other biometric recognition systems, this part of "Minority Report" may be coming true sooner than we all think (and hope). ..bruce..

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    Bruce F. Webster (brucefwebster.com)
  11. Soviet America aka The North American Union by gd23ka · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In the coming North American Union aka as "Soviet America" this may well
    become a reality.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ii64ErBotvA ,skip to 2:00 (1984)

    "Smith? 6079 Smith W? Yes you! Bend over! You're not trying, watch me!
    There Brother! That's what I want! Anyone under 45 is perfectly capable
    of touching his toes, I'm 39 and I've had four children. We don't all
    have the privilege of fighting in the front line, remember our boys on
    the Malabar front, think of what they have to put up with."

    In Britain people are already getting used to having orders barked at
    them from surveillance camera operators. The 1984-style Televisor is only
    one step further from that. Oh and the technology is already there too,
    Apple just filed a patent that puts a camera _behind_ the screen on their
    notebooks. You don't see the camera and worse you can't just tape over it
    either.