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UK Can't Read Its Own ID Cards

An anonymous reader writes "Despite the introduction of ID cards last November, it has emerged that Britain has no readers that are able to read the cards' microchips, which contain the person's fingerprints and other biometric information. With cops and border guards unable to use the cards to check a person's identity, critics are calling the £4.7bn scheme 'farcical' and a 'waste of time.'"

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  1. No readers? No surprise! by IBBoard · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While I won't go as far as being paranoid about "it was always the governments plan and they just want the data on everyone", it doesn't surprise me that our government isn't even capable of introducing both halves of an ID scheme at the same time.

    Until they fix it they've basically just introduced an over-expensive photo ID. Well done, Labour!

    1. Re:No readers? No surprise! by segedunum · · Score: 4, Insightful

      While I won't go as far as being paranoid about "it was always the governments plan and they just want the data on everyone", it doesn't surprise me that our government isn't even capable of introducing both halves of an ID scheme at the same time.

      I'm even more cynical than that. While the government will probably get some data on people, judging from other such projects that have gone before it will be extremely poorly coordinated and it will be a far bigger security risk than anything else because they won't be able to keep a lid on the data. It just strikes me that a lot of companies have got cosy with the government, promising them things that are almost certainly not going to work in order to fleece them of billions of pounds. Billions of borrowed pounds in the current climate, that is.

    2. Re:No readers? No surprise! by RegularFry · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm more convinced by "it was always the government's plan and they just wanted to dole out juicy contracts to the private sector."

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    3. Re:No readers? No surprise! by Zumbs · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think that it's more a question of whipping up fear in the population and then reap the popularity by appearing to "do something" to keep the population safe (and docile?). In any case, the fact that the ID cards can't be read, pretty clearly suggests that the "increased safety" argument were a load of horse manure.

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    4. Re:No readers? No surprise! by zeldorf · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's actually worse than that, because they are so rare no one really knows what they look like!

      On two seperate occaisions I've seen someone trying to use national ID cards as proof of age when buying alcohol. Both times they were refused because the staff didn't recognise the card.

      The whole thing is a total waste of time and (our) money, all with the goal of filling a void that does not exist!

  2. privacy by justhatched · · Score: 5, Funny

    It is a security measure

    1. Re:privacy by davester666 · · Score: 5, Funny

      except everybody BUT the gov't can read them...

      it's funny, but sad-funny.

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    2. Re:privacy by Llanfairpwllgwyngyll · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's like "plug and play" - that worked 50% too. As in, "plug" always worked, it was just the "play" bit that had problems...

    3. Re:privacy by Hyppy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How exactly does "an ID program that works" eliminate all crime?

  3. Look at Belgium by houghi · · Score: 3, Informative

    Stop making fun at Belgium and follow in their food steps. The readers are available and the source is open Dutch: http://eid.belgium.be/nl/Achtergrondinfo/De_eID_technisch/
    Main thing is that you see there are Linux drivers for it.

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    1. Re:Look at Belgium by u38cg · · Score: 4, Funny

      Or alternatively, we could spend the money on something useful, like giving every child a pony.

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    2. Re:Look at Belgium by Nick+Fel · · Score: 4, Funny

      Mmmm... food steps.

    3. Re:Look at Belgium by AlXtreme · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Stop making fun at Belgium and follow in their food steps.

      *puts mayonnaise on his fries*

      Joking aside, it seems like the Belgians have done this right: You need a code to access the information from the passport, similar to your bank/creditcard. Not perfect, but at least it isn't readable by everyone.

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    4. Re:Look at Belgium by michaeldot · · Score: 3, Funny

      Microchipped pony.

    5. Re:Look at Belgium by Goffee71 · · Score: 5, Funny

      and when the credit crunch really bites, pony sausages and a nice warm coat

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    6. Re:Look at Belgium by blaine+the+monorail · · Score: 3, Informative

      Interestingly, the first year the new ID cards were issued in Belgium, there was also a shortage of readers in police departments. If you had a new ID card, you were required to keep a printout of the data with you in case the police requested your ID :-) (it wasn't that bad though; the only information on the chip that isn't also on the front of the card, is your address)
      The police have enough readers now, so it's not necessary anymore.

    7. Re:Look at Belgium by rHBa · · Score: 5, Funny

      We could call it the OPPC project

    8. Re:Look at Belgium by digitig · · Score: 4, Funny

      Maybe, but we were talking about eating it.

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  4. Where exactly are these cards? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    The cards dont exist yet and wont until 2011 or 2012.

    Still, dont let truth get in the way of a good rant.

    1. Re:Where exactly are these cards? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Its partly true, part headline grabbing. Some foreigners have been issued with cards, more as a trial than anything else, and readers outside this trial havn't been bought yet.

      Not much of a story really.

    2. Re:Where exactly are these cards? by u38cg · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, you can get one if you want one, and certain classes of people have to have them - asylum seekers, airport workers, and a few other categories. Perhaps gypsies and jews should be added to the list, *sigh*.

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    3. Re:Where exactly are these cards? by Archtech · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, the first ID cards were issued last year (2008).

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    4. Re:Where exactly are these cards? by Sockatume · · Score: 5, Informative

      Not just asylum seekers, anyone here on a settlement visa. My wife's got to have a card now, even though she's here fully legitimately and I'm a full-fledged British citizen andsubject of HRH Queen Elizabeth the Second. And students are next in line, which as a PhD researcher means yours truly. If you refuse? Well, you lose your visa or your student status as appropriate. They're targetting those that are least able to object in order to build up an "installed base".

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  5. Dad's Army by BBadhedgehog · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Is anyone really surprised? There are people out there who still don't believe that Dad's Army was an early example of reality TV. Government competence levels have not improved in the ensuing years.

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  6. Identity crisis by RDW · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Right now most bookmakers will give you very good odds on the current government actually being in power by the end of 2010. Since the other lot are supposedly going to get rid of the scheme, and there's been no large-scale rollout of the cards to the general population, it probably doesn't make a lot of sense to buy all the readers just now. Not that 'sense' really comes into this, of course.

  7. You don't say. by greenguy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Britain has no readers that are able to the cards' microchip

    Hey, we all know how hard it can be to a card's microchip.

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    1. Re:You don't say. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      I accidentally the card's microchip, is this bad? :(

    2. Re:You don't say. by BobisOnlyBob · · Score: 5, Funny

      That sentence no verb!! You have no idea how much that me. >:(

    3. Re:You don't say. by molecular · · Score: 5, Funny

      I accidentally the card's microchip, is this bad? :(

      not if you didn't the chip on purpose, then you only have to money, not to jail.

  8. Re:"in response to an FoI request"?!? by Xest · · Score: 4, Informative

    About 9 years ago.

  9. Re:Offtopic? by Hognoxious · · Score: 5, Informative

    It is offtopic. "Dad's Army" was at best tangentially related to the government.

    What you want is "Yes, Minister". Down the corridor, third on the left.

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  10. It was never about reading the cards at the border by getuid() · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It was about biometric databases, computer-recognizable photographs and humongous amounts of fingerprints.

  11. Be careful by Archtech · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's easy, and quite tempting, to react to this news with patronizing contempt - and think, "Well, at least we're fairly safe - such a bunch of bunglers couldn't do any real harm".

    Unfortunately, a look back at history reveals that appalling inefficiency and incompetence have usually gone hand-in-hand with authoritarian government. But whereas we can still laugh about it, the time may come when doing so is distinctly unwise. People made fun of Hitler, Stalin, and Mussolini throughout their careers, and some got away with it. Others were arrested, beaten up, imprisoned, tortured, shot, or hanged with piano wire.

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  12. Why is this news? by DavidR1991 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They've only just started finalising and using these cards. Why is it surprising that there are no readers around?

    It's akin to saying that Blu-Ray or DVDs were a waste of time because initially there were no players for them - Hello, you need to wait for people to catch up, especially if the equipment is expensive (and although they're not consumer products, the same rules apply - places need to wait for grants or work out their budgets before buying or using said machines).

    Besides, practically no-one has these cards yet - and I doubt anyone will for a while, especially since they cost cash to get (It was ~£50 last I heard)

  13. Re:"in response to an FoI request"?!? by Davidis · · Score: 5, Informative

    Freedom of Information Act 2000 Only exceptions to this in government is the Official secrets act. which means the information comes out in 50 years. this is better than the US where 90% of it never comes out at all. The Act

  14. Re:"in response to an FoI request"?!? by JohnBailey · · Score: 5, Funny

    About 9 years ago.

    It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying "Beware of The Leopard.

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  15. /oblig "fixed that for you" by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 4, Funny

    What you want is "Yes, Minister". Down the corridor, third on the left.

    I'm sorry, this is abuse. You want "Yes, Minister". Down the corridor, third on the left.

    Stupid git.

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  16. Re:"in response to an FoI request"?!? by XSpud · · Score: 5, Informative

    Exceptions include information other that that covered by the Official Secrets Act.

    There are also a whole lot of exemptions, such as data that is commercially sensitive, related to criminal investigations or where disclosure would contravene the Data Protection Act etc. When a request is refused the reason for the exemption must be given to the requester.

    In practise the Act has meant a lot of information is now public where it wouldn't have been before.

  17. HRH Queen Elizabeth the Second?! by pjt33 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Her Royal Highness? Did Her Majesty abdicate?

    1. Re:HRH Queen Elizabeth the Second?! by Sockatume · · Score: 4, Funny

      This is why I normally use the Royal Etiquitte Add-On for Firefox. Stupid work PC.

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