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German Bundeswehr Recruiting Hackers
bad_alloc writes "Heise.de tells us about the German Bundeswehr's idea of recruiting hackers in order to 'penetrate, manipulate and damage hostile networks.' (Note: The following passage has been translated from German into English: 'The Regiment is stationed in Rheinbach, near Bonn, and consists of several dozen graduates from Bundeswehr universities. They're training at the moment, but the 'hackers in uniforms' are supposed to be operational by next year. This regiment officially belongs to the "Kommando Strategische Aufklärung" (strategic reconnaissance) and is commanded by Brigadier General Friedrich Wilhelm Kriesel. The Bundeswehr has not said anything to this regiment yet.' You can find the full article in German."
So why does a beer company need Hacker Kommandos? Is it because they're Beglium now?
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what with this being an english site and all.
This being slashdot and all, nobody would actually read the article anyway.
I would think most modern nations employ hackers these days. I'm sure much of America's hacking talent make a tidy salary working for the NSA.
From a handy Google translating robot: http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.heise.de%2Fnewsticker%2FMedienbericht-Bundeswehr-baut-Cyberwar-Einheit-auf--%2Fmeldung%2F127082&sl=de&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
The first sentence of TFA says that "not only will it do the security of IT systems but also carry out..."
Why does everyone focus immediately on the "black hat" side of the story, and neglect that the group is supposed to do BOTH sides, which in some ways, is a good aspect of ANY security team... just hopefully, your security team follows ethics.
And I imagine that the Bundeswehr is going to follow ethics as well, "no hacking friendly networks......... overtly".
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German Armed Forces. It's a reasonably well known term even in the English speaking world not to mention that it only takes a second to google it and it can be inferred fairly easily from the summary as well. Now, linking to an article in German without any kind of English translation, that is pretty dumb
Negative moral value of force outweighs the positive value of good intentions.
... it would be nice if you could post a link to a full article in English, what with this being an english site and all. No, babelfish doesn't count.
Yes, we should ignore all foreign articles until they've been officially translated, even tho' translation tools are adequate to give you the gist of an article
I mean - it's not like there's any Germans who read Slashdot & will translate in the comments or anything is it?
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The Bundeswehr is recruiting hackers? I'm sure Bayern Munich will get the top recruits as they often do, though I'll keep rooting for FC Kaiserslautern (FCK). Football and hacking finally meet, and I'm in heaven.
This is a hacked account, for which the owner can not be held responsible.
"And even if the cyber attack on Estonia in retrospect, not as a "war" browsed meanwhile shall any State which is a substantial electronic IT infrastructure operates, potential threats posed by cyber attacks seriously."
Jaja, aber Kartoffelbrei, ich bin mit der Fernsehturm verheiraten. I can fix it for you! Super hero acht klar!
Dieses hax0rs wollen siene gelÃck zu hax0r nicht-unsere aber others netwÃrk getesten. Jemand wollen SS uniformen zugaben before entlich der communist volk probieren sind!
Or well, maybe I leave it to the native germans after all.
RE:German Bundeswehr Recruiting Hackers If it tastes anything like American Bundeswehr, they'll have a hard time keeping them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundeswehr
Perhaps you could post a link to an English version of the article instead of just complaining that somebody else didn't?
No?
Perhaps you should just keep your whining to yourself then.
P.S. If you don't like Babelfish, vielleicht sollst du Deutsch lernen.
being proud of you own ignorance sure makes you look like a hero!
Ok I wasn't clear. From Wikipedia: "The Bundeswehr has 200,500 professional soldiers, 55,000 18-25 year-old conscripts who serve for at least nine months under current rules [4], and 2,500 active reservists at any given time." So 20% of the soldiers are still obtained from the "normal" population (and some of them will stay to become professional soldiers).
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Yes, we should ignore all foreign articles until they've been officially translated, ...
And it's not as if this is specifically an English-language site anyway, is it? I mean, look at the URL -- ".org". Not ".us", ".uk", ".au" or anything nation- or language- specific. The URL clearly indicates that it's supposed to be a pan-national site.
(Yes, I know what the FAQ says. The URL sends a stronger and more direct message than the FAQ, however.)
bundeswehr (who are they? why do I care?)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundeswehr In short, the German army/navy/air force/etc.
All links are leading to German pages. No guarantees on the accuracy of the translation, especially the military terms.
1) Because it's common knowledge 2) If you didn't know, I've been told that idiots commonly use www.google.com to bolster their grasp of simple facts
Exactly when has the "Bundestrojaner" been actually used without authorization? No, seriously, I'm curious now.
And how's it any worse than, say, the USA? You can find plenty of cases where the FBI planted a trojan or a keylogger on a _suspect's_ computer, which is all that the "Bundestrojaner" is supposed to do. The difference is that in Germany there has been a whole debate about it and it's been shot down on constitutional and privacy grounds repeatedly, while in the USA nobody even bothered wondering much about it.
Let me repeat: the "Bundestrojaner" is supposed to only be used with a court mandate, only for a limited time, and only on the computers of people suspected of terror activities and the like. Plus a court is supposed to establish (as per the german supreme court decision) that the use does not pose any danger to a person's other rights, among which their freedom. It'll be interesting to see if they can use it at all then, but at any rate you can't use it, say, to intimidate your opponents.
But seriously, how's that any worse than what the rest of the world already does? It seems to me like the USA just shipped such suspects to Gitmo for some waterboarding. I'll take a court-approved keylogger instead if I'm ever suspected of anything, thank you very much.
And then you have cases like the NSA spying on its citizens without any court approval or legal mandate.
Basically if you think that a law which sets clear limits is actually worse than no law, well, you're naive.
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So I'm not the only one who read that as Budweiser!
Incidentally Hacker is a brewery.
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http://www.heise-online.co.uk/news/Report-claims-German-armed-forces-setting-up-cyberwar-unit--/112595
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I'll give it a shot. The page this article is from (heise.de) is probably the closest to a german ./ there is. The original article that is referred to in this text was published in the Spiegel (Translation: mirror), a well-known german magazine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_Spiegel
The Bundeswehr is said to set up a "Cyberwar unit", which won't only protect the (army's or Germany's, not explicitly stated) own IT-infrastructure but is also supposed to carry out reconnaissance or manipulation "in opposing networks". ./ article) and is led by the Brigade General (whatever rank that is)Friedrich Wilhelm Kriesel. There haven't been any comments from the Bundeswehr regarding this report. According to the Basic Constitutional Law the German army is not allowed to carry out any functions/missions in the inland (meant is that they may not carry out police or secret service work, etc.... within germany) but there have been plans to abolish that restriction for quite some time.
According to information of the Spiegel, the troup is made out of a few dozen computer science alumni of the Bundeswehr's universities.
According to the Hamburg-based news magazine the "hackers in uniform" are still in training at the moment but should be fully ready next year.
The top secret (har har) unit is supposedly under the command of the "Kommando Strategische AufklÃrung" (like they said in the
While experts are still debating wether a term like Cyberwar is correct since there are neither killings nor injuries in such a war, there seems to be an agreement that the defense against such threats should be one of the duties of a nation's army. And even if the Cyberattack on Estland wasn't termed a "War" afterwards it's true that every state that runs a substantial IT-infrastructure is taking potential threats of cyberattacks seriously.
Americans mangling up random german words never fail to amuse me ;)
Yes, we should ignore all foreign articles until they've been officially translated, even tho' translation tools are adequate to give you the gist of an article
Quite. After all this being the Internet, it's not like it interconnects any networks all over the planet, or if /. had been around for any amount of time and had drawn English speaking people from all kinds of places.
So let's stick to articles from the US or (very occasionally) Air Strip 1. After all all other people must hate freedom as shown by their willingness of living outside of the US (and speaking funny languages with weird characters that aren't even proper ASCII).
I mean - it's not like there's any Germans who read Slashdot & will translate in the comments or anything is it?
Now that's just crazy talk.
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Vieleicht solltest Du auch erst einmal deutsch lernen ...
Are we going to get faulty spelling flames in German now?
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