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Is Google Silently Removing Posts?

mrbill writes to tell us that several music bloggers believe that Google may be silently removing posts. Those especially prone to conspiracy theories think this may be a part of some greater nefarious action in cooperation with the RIAA. The LA Weekly story cites several sites and email/chat room discussion that points to the only common ground being Google's Blogger platform for sites that have had content mysteriously disappear. This still resides firmly in the wildly speculative realm of unfounded rumor but raises the question, should Google be required to notify a content creator when their IP has been deleted/removed?

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  1. This can only mean one thing: by sstpm · · Score: 5, Funny

    The Google tin foil hat is about to be launched. This is a ruse to drum up demand.

    1. Re:This can only mean one thing: by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 4, Funny

      I have my own, "The RIAA is a Bunch of Rectum Licking Whores"

      You shouldn't make them sound so positive. The real RIAA never does anything that pleasing.

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    2. Re:This can only mean one thing: by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 5, Informative

      Hey, don't knock it until you've had your rectum licked.

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  2. Depends on the terms of the agreement ... by Wrath0fb0b · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This still resides firmly in the wildly speculative realm of unfounded rumor but raises the question, should Google be required to notify a content creator when their IP has been deleted/removed?

    Is there any requirement in the agreement between Google and the creator to so do? I highly doubt it. In the absence of such a requirement I don't see any reason to think that they have any such obligation. I searched their web-site and I see no indication that have made any representations to the contrary.

    Now, if the current agreement between Blogger and the content creators is satisfactory, they can take their content elsewhere. Perhaps a competing blog service can offer more agreeable terms and attract more content creators, or perhaps content creators prefer Blogger's service, even with onerous TOS, over the competitor's service for whatever reason (after all, IP policies are the not the end-all here).

    In short, I don't see any reason for people to become histrionic when a service provider doesn't deliver goods that they never promised.

    1. Re:Depends on the terms of the agreement ... by jdunlevy · · Score: 5, Informative

      Google's outline of its DMCA procedures for Blogger: They require complainants to "IDENTIFY EACH POST BY PERMALINK OR DATE THAT ALLEGEDLY CONTAINS THE INFRINGING MATERIAL." They also have provision for counterclaims, and when they "receive a counter notification," they say they "may reinstate the material in question." But they don't specifically say that they will notify the blogger in response to receiving a claim -- or even in removing a post.

    2. Re:Depends on the terms of the agreement ... by jdunlevy · · Score: 4, Informative
      Though, in the comments on the laweekly.com story, a Rick Klau, "product manager on Blogger" does say [Feb 8th, 2009, 14:16 pm], when taking down content:

      we send an email to the blogger using the address associated with their account and submit the original DMCA notice to chillingeffects.org. If a blogger wishes to challenge the DMCA notice, they can file a counter notice, at which time the original DMCA complainant has 14 days to file suit, or we will reinstate the removed content.

  3. Is the site getting a new tagline? by SterlingSylver · · Score: 5, Funny

    Slashdot: Wildly Speculative Realms of Unfounded Rumor for Nerds. Stuff that Could Conceivably Matter if in Fact True.

    1. Re:Is the site getting a new tagline? by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, I think that one's already taken by Macrumors.com.

  4. WTF? by Al+Al+Cool+J · · Score: 4, Funny

    I had first post, and now it's gone!

    1. Re:WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I had first post, and now it's gone!

      Preview button strikes again!

  5. alphabetically challenged by NonUniqueNickname · · Score: 5, Funny
    FTA:

    on everything from Abba to Zappa

    So posts on ZZ Top are safe? Good.

  6. I heard about this a while back.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    This blog had some of it's posts removed without warning or explanation.
     
    "Without warning, Google removed three old posts from the blog, and offered no explanation. They then followed by removing Remix Sunday 131, and 132- and offered a brief explanation."
     
    http://palmsout.blogspot.com/search/label/Remix%20Sunday

  7. Please stop. by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Every week now it seems there is a new target of our collective paranoia. So let's set the record straight for this and all future stories like this. First, the internet is global. The wires, routers, satellites, cables, and equipment are collectively owned by hundreds of companies, scattered throughout every country in the world. Each of those countries feels they have a right to censor or control, to varying degrees, what their citizens say and do. In each of those countries, there are states, counties, municipalities, cities, corporations, organizations, groups, and individuals, all of whom believe they are also entitled to the same thing. Their ideologies are varied, as are their methods, their targets, and their success.

    People have been trying to shut other people up and control them since time began. And people have fought back. Whether Google is censoring or not is irrelevant. What matters is whether anyone fights back. All any of us can do is support anyone who does, and continue to provide the tools to ensure that anyone who wants to listen, can. So if you are one of those being censored by google, step forward, give us your message, and we will do our best to put it everywhere there is an audience for it. Otherwise, can it about the conspiracy theories. They have their laws, and we have ours.

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    1. Re:Please stop. by try_anything · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Whether Google is censoring or not is irrelevant. What matters is whether anyone fights back.

      I'm confused. Fighting back, supporting those who fight back, and bypassing censorship require knowing when censorship happens and who is responsible for it. By that reasoning, it's hard to see how it's irrelevant whether Google is censoring or not.

      "Please stop." Please stop sharing information and doing collective investigation about censorship? Just fight back randomly against... everybody? Even those who don't censor? Work hard to find alternative means of distribution for... all speech? Even the stuff that hasn't been censored?

      It seems more constructive to focus efforts on actual censors and instances of actual censorship. Hence, discussions like this are important and relevant. The facts have to be established before anyone knows what action to take. Whether this particular discussion should have made the front page of Slashdot before the facts were better established is another question (and IMHO the answer is "no.")

  8. Re:Free Ride by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's like if you're hitchhiking from St. Louis to Denver, and someone picks you up and tells you they'll take you all the way to Denver, then kicks you out of the car somewhere in Kansas. What, you haven't seen a building or another car for an hour? Tough shit, pal, get out and walk.

    Free or not, it doesn't matter. If you say you're offering a service to someone, you need to offer it. If you're not willing to live up to the offer, don't make it.

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  9. Re:They shouldn't be required... by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Repeat after me: If you use a free service, you are entitled to exactly what you paid for.

    Repeat after that: If I don't back up my work, one day I may lose it all.

    It's not like either of these things is news, and if it really is a freebie blogging service that Google provides where this is allegedly happening, then of course Google are perfectly within their rights to do anything up to and including shutting down the whole service without notice if they want to.

    It also amazes me that people still trust so much stuff they'd want to keep to free on-line e-mail services, Google's or otherwise. These things do go wrong or get closed down, and you have absolutely no comeback if that happens.

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  10. Re:Free Ride by interkin3tic · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's like if you're hitchhiking from St. Louis to Denver, and someone picks you up and tells you they'll take you all the way to Denver, then kicks you out of the car somewhere in Kansas. What, you haven't seen a building or another car for an hour? Tough shit, pal, get out and walk.

    I think a better metaphor would be that a neighbor invites you to a party at his house, you're enjoying yourself. Then suddenly he turns off the lights for a minute, complete dark. It's fair, they're his lights and he's paying the bill, but it is annoying, pointless, and he did invite you there in the first place.