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Two Big Tests For Personal Rapid Transportation

Al writes "A novel kind of transit system, in which cars are replaced by a network of automated electric vehicles, is about to get its first large-scale testing and deployment. Two of these Personal Rapid Transit (PRT) systems are being installed this year, one at Heathrow International Airport, near London, and one in the United Arab Emirates, where it will be the primary source of transportation in Masdar City, a development that will eventually accommodate 50,000 people and 1,500 businesses and is designed to emit no carbon dioxide. The article examines these two systems and includes video that includes an animation of the PRT system in action."

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  1. This will revolutionize transportation... by oodaloop · · Score: 5, Funny

    just like the Segway did!

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    1. Re:This will revolutionize transportation... by Locke2005 · · Score: 4, Funny

      As a big plus, hacking the automated navigation on these will also revolutionize the kidnapping industry!

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  2. Heathrow by lelitsch · · Score: 4, Funny

    Oh the delicious irony of using "Heathrow" and "rapid transit" in the same sentence.

    1. Re:Heathrow by drsquare · · Score: 4, Funny

      You'd be surprised how rapidly your baggage ends up 5,000 miles away from your destination.

  3. Good idea, but... by Reason58 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It seems as if something like this would attract vagrants, significant vandalism and just plain disgustingness. Would be pretty cool though if major cities were only filled with people like the scientists and engineers would designed it.

    1. Re:Good idea, but... by jollyreaper · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It seems as if something like this would attract vagrants, significant vandalism and just plain disgustingness. Would be pretty cool though if major cities were only filled with people like the scientists and engineers would designed it.

      I don't know the particulars of this system but I can make a couple of assumptions on how this can be handled.

      1. You pay for your trip via credit card.
      2. A vehicle arrives for your use. If it is unsanitary, you press a button and it routes back to maintenance for cleaning.
      3. Any vehicle flagged for maintenance will have its passenger log reviewed. Any passenger racks up 3 sanitary flaggings by passengers using the vehicle after him will be banned from the service for a month.

      I'm less enthusiastic about putting video cameras in the cab to directly record vandalism, it could just as easily be abused as any other reasonable control people think of, but I think the flagging system should be relatively abuse-resistant. And I'd feel very pleased to see punks suffering the consequences of their actions. I for one am sick of going into a nice business and seeing the restrooms vandalized by stupid rich white kids who think they're ghetto because they listen to M&M.

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    2. Re:Good idea, but... by characterZer0 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Bonus: You get to track exactly where everybody goes.

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  4. where's mr. pointy? by girlintraining · · Score: 4, Funny

    So an entire community that emits no carbon dioxide. What are the inhabitants, vampires? Zombies? Undead "not otherwise specified"? This "green movement" is getting out of control when we turn to the dark powers.

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  5. I wonder in 20 years... by Ian_Bailey · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wonder in 20 years how these "networks" will compare to the Morgantown PRT.

    1. Re:I wonder in 20 years... by AndrewNeo · · Score: 4, Informative

      The article (yes, I actually read it) actually compares the system to Morgantown's and why it should work better.

  6. Re:What is really wrong with trains? by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They leave at the second you want to leave and can probably stop exactly where you want to stop.

    Instead of trying to speed up and slow down an entire train every 1/2 mile you're only accelerating and stopping these once per passenger.

    I didn't RTFA, but the systems I've seen in the past have little 'bypasses' at each stop. You get in and punch in a destination. If you're at your destination you get off. If you're not you keep on whizzing by. It's faster so people would be more apt to use it. (You're not going to waste 3/4 of the trip slowing down and speeding up to somewhere you're not going.)

  7. Re:What is really wrong with trains? by Toe,+The · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If it scales up, it then can be compared to cars, not trains.

    The benefits a system like this has over cars are:
    - Vastly reduced fatalities to occupants (though perhaps pedestrians can still be struck by them)
    - Vastly reduced production resources - instead of everyone having a car, you just "call a cab"
    - Vastly reduced pollution - since you can centralize the power source, instead of having cars spewing everywhere
    - Vastly reduced parking resources - these can just roam or idle in compact storage, instead of requiring parking spots at every house and every destination
    - Vastly reduced traffic congestion - since traffic is controlled by robotic overlords
    - Get as drunk as you want while you "drive" - or alternately, work, play, etc. while you are transported

  8. Re:What is really wrong with trains? by Yvanhoe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And they work all night around. A blame I hold against most mass transit systems.

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  9. Re:What is really wrong with trains? by Kozz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've got no concrete info to back this up, only my gut -- but I wonder if providing small, relatively private transportation pods could backfire (as much as I would like it to succeed).

    People may feel like the pod they're currently in is "theirs". And we've seen what people do in their own cars and how they can treat them: eating, smoking, littering, f#%&ing, you name it. Then consider also what people do in/on city buses and subway systems. After a pod has been in service for the first 48 hours, will it be clean/sanitary enough that others will want to use it?

    I certainly wouldn't want to find people's stale McDonald's french fries, mysterious sticky substances on the seats, etc. At least on mass transit, you're sharing the space so there's a certain social pressure to respect others to some degree, but would this evaporate in the privacy of "your own pod"?

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  10. Rumpty tumpty time by jonnyj · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We almost bought one of these systems in Cardiff, Wales a few years back. Then the local press started speculating that the pods would be a great place for couples to indulge themselves on the way home from the pub. Thoughts of grafitti-covered pods full of condoms, used syringes and vomit killed the scheme dead in its tracks.

    This might be OK in an airport. In an inner city it would be a disaster.

  11. Re:"Designed to emit no carbon dioxide"? by cliffski · · Score: 4, Insightful

    i think the gist is that being electric, the vehicles are therefore power-source agnostic, in terms of it being easy to get the power from renewable sources. You can just change the input and the output is fixed. With gasoline powered cars, thats not the case.

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  12. A 40+ year old pipe dream by migurski · · Score: 4, Insightful

    PRT's are not novel, they've been an engineering pipe dream for at least 60 years. There was a similar design effort in the 1970s in Paris that was the subject of an excellent book by Bruno Latour called Aramis. TFA says that PRT have been previous unworkable for "a variety of reasons, including the cost of the initial systems and the difficulty of integrating them into existing cities". The Paris project got all the way to physical prototypes, built sections of track, etc., and one of Latour's conclusions is that the PRT concept is itself unworkable. It lives in an inflexible no man's land between private vehicles and mass transit: passengers can't go where they want because the system has tracks and shared "pods", and engineers can't scale it how they want because the vehicles don't have flexible open space inside to cram in more passengers during busy times. Lose-lose, all around.

  13. Simple by Giant+Electronic+Bra · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One big train or bus logically can only come by every so many minutes. You don't want to wait 15 minutes. Plus it can only follow a specific route.

    For example, my office is 10 minutes away by car. Yet if I were to ride the bus that goes there it would take 1.5 HOURS because first I have to wait 15 minutes for it to show up, then I have to ride downtown to a central station, wait another 15 minutes for the bus going to where I want to go, and then ride that bus. All the way these buses are starting and stopping and go maybe overall 1/2 the speed of a car.

    I don't have 1.5 hours of free time to spend commuting. Judging by the ridership, nobody else that is gainfully employed does either.

    Now, if we had say smart electric taxis that would show up when I need my ride and go directly there at speed, it would be basically a no-brainer. I'd be on it in 5 seconds. Even if it DID go half as fast as a normal car, so what? I can live with 20 mins if it will save me money. I might even do it if it cost the same.

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    1. Re:Simple by dasunt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For example, my office is 10 minutes away by car. Yet if I were to ride the bus that goes there it would take 1.5 HOURS because first I have to wait 15 minutes for it to show up, then I have to ride downtown to a central station, wait another 15 minutes for the bus going to where I want to go, and then ride that bus. All the way these buses are starting and stopping and go maybe overall 1/2 the speed of a car.

      I don't have 1.5 hours of free time to spend commuting. Judging by the ridership, nobody else that is gainfully employed does either.

      It's called a bicycle. Get some fenders, a good lock, and add a pannier or two for your work clothes.

      Travel slowly so you don't sweat (say around 10mph or so).

      If your office is 10 minutes away by car, odds are it is within two or three miles, should be easy to reach it within 20 minutes or so.

  14. Re:What is really wrong with trains? by eobanb · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I would imagine that a PRT system like this would work best in conjunction with other mass transit and personal transit systems, preferably integrated into one overall system. Just like the only way to replace fossil fuels is with a combination of renewable resources, the only way to really replace cars is with a combination of transit systems. On really heavy, major routes, I would think that trams/trains/buses would be the best. On lighter routes, (especially flowing out from urban to suburban areas), PRTs would be best, with dozens of small branch lines to take people within just a block or two of where they live.

    This is how cars will eventually be replaced.

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  15. Re:What is really wrong with trains? by nyctopterus · · Score: 4, Informative

    Generally, nothing. People love going on about this, but in every city I've lived in (Canberra, Sydney, Toronto, and London )the public transport has been clean. You're much more likely to run into disastrous misplacement of bodily fluids on the street.

  16. Re:What is really wrong with trains? by Toe,+The · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sure; most people love driving. It has become part of the "American way" for some reason.

    But how does "liking" something compare to killing tens of thousands of people each year, causing massive destruction of ecosystems, causing other vast climactic changes, draining natural resources, and destroying watersheds (with pavement)?

    Is a little enjoyment really worth all that? Can't you go drive bumper cars or play a driving game or something?

    Heck, lots of guys enjoy having sex with lots of varied women every day. But something prevents them from grabbing the nearest hottie and having their way with her. I think it has something to do with... social responsibility.