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Miro 2.0 Launches Today

soDean writes "Miro just launched their 2.0 release today. The free and open source HD video player and Internet TV features an all-new interface and an entirely rewritten UI engine, plus tons of new features and improvements — it's less of a collection of new stuff and more of a rethinking of the whole experience. You can download Miro 2.0 here for Linux, Mac, and Windows. Miro is developed by the Participatory Culture Foundation, a 501(c)(3) non-profit, hell-bent on making Internet video more open and decentralized, along with a dedicated community of users, volunteers, translators, testers, and coders."

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  1. Nice, BUT by WindBourne · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You also need to focus on the PUBLISH side. In particular, I would push a publisher for Musicians. Make it compete against MTV, etc.

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    1. Re:Nice, BUT by moteyalpha · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I just installed this a few hours ago and it is a nice interface. The variety of what is free to download is amazing and they did a good job on making the interface intuitive. It will be a nice place for me to publish blender animation products and video tutorials of all kinds. Blender has a great tutorial on making tutorials and videos.

    2. Re:Nice, BUT by buswolley · · Score: 4, Funny
      I have one of thos einternet connections many just dream about..University BBone...ANyway, I got Miro and started to download content like a madman. 10-20 concurrent downloads all running at 1-10 megabit... It was great...

      Then the university admins cut me down to 56k modem speed for 2 weeks to teach me a lesson.

      Be careful with Miro. :P

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    3. Re:Nice, BUT by drDugan · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There does need to be a push for publishers to adopt these technologies. Most traditional media outlets do not see how well this can work, and refuse to admit the technology is already robust and available, and better for the consumer than broadcast TV.

      New publishing services do exist: LegalTorrents.com (one of the default sidebar items in Miro) and focuses entirely on the publishing side. (Disclaimer: I work on LegalTorrents) - and there are many others too that work well with Miro.

      LegalTorrents is an online digital media community to discover and distribute high quality open-licensed digital media. Each Content Creator on the site has an RSS feed that integrates automatically with Miro. (Sidebar -> Add Feed) The real benefit here is that Miro will download and share new content in the background automatically from each feed, and you can watch/listen whenever you want.

    4. Re:Nice, BUT by Xabraxas · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The point of Miro is to make it extremely simple to watch syndicated video. It's the combination of RSS, torrents, and video playback that make it useful and unique, not the technologies themselves. Before Miro I would search for torrents, download them, fire up my bitorrent client, download the video I wanted to watch and then when it was done I would start up my media player to watch the video. Now with Miro I just add a torrent feed for a specific show to Miro and set my automatic download and retention options and I never have to search for that show again, or download it manually, or jump from web page to web page, and the video interface is consistent across shows. I find it extremely useful and huge improvement over how I was doing things previosly. I've played with the newest version and it looks liked they ironed out all the issues that were bugging me from previous releases. The only problem I have now is my dark GTK theme which doesn't play nice with Miro now that Miro's interface has been altered with latest version.

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  2. Build instructions by ChienAndalu · · Score: 3, Informative

    Since many distributions don't have it in their repositories yet, you might want to grab the source and build it yourself.

    1. Re:Build instructions by markdavis · · Score: 3, Informative

      No, it is not for "OSX, Windows, and Ubuntu".

      It is for "MacOS, MS-Windows, and Linux". There, fixed that for you.

      Anyway, Miro is already in the repositories for Mandriva, SuSe, Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, and Pardus... which probably covers about 95-98% of Linux users.

  3. Problem with video players in Ubuntu by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 3, Funny

    I can't be alone in my problems with Ubuntu's media player. I installed Ubuntu in a VPC in order to be able to surf porn sites on my work computer and be undetectable in case someone tried to go through my cache. Things worked great except that I simply wasn't able to get video to work in the media player.

    It's not the end of the world. I can of course download static images, but sometimes it's more enjoyable to see porn in motion.

    Anyone else have the same problem? Does Miro solve this problem?

  4. Miro + ??? by bornagainpenguin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The last time I tried Miro it installed something called "OpenCandy" on my system without my permission. I think I'll pass until the Miro developers realize who owns this computer....HINT: Me, not them, not opencandy, or whatever else wants to piggyback with the installer.

    --bornagainpenguin

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    1. Re:Miro + ??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      It appears "OpenCandy" is only available for Windows, so I believe Microsoft owns your computer.

    2. Re:Miro + ??? by oboreruhito · · Score: 5, Informative

      OpenCandy was removed from Miro two months ago after user complaints.

      Hi All,

      We're going to remove OpenCandy from our installer next week. Thanks for pushing back on this.

      We still think the core idea of open source projects promoting one another is a great one, and we'll continue to support and promote other FOSS projects whenever possible.

      ~Jesse

      Also from that post:

      OpenCandy is a a software recommendation engine that we added recently in order to suggest other free and open source software to our users. You can find out about the organization at www.opencandy.com.

      I wasn't aware that it permanently left their recommendation engine on the user's machine after running it. We'll look into that right now and fix it as soon as possible.

    3. Re:Miro + ??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I uninstalled Miro last time because of its bad manners. It made connections to servers without me asking.

      It also didn't have a loop function. WTF?

      This time I got Skype spammed as soon as I opened the application. Coincidence? Four Skype spams in three years?

      Looks like it's going in the bin again.

  5. Ubuntu Names by chill · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Fuck those stupid code names for Ubuntu! Put the damn version numbers up like normal people. Alliterative animal names are for 4 year olds. Get over them.

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    1. Re:Ubuntu Names by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Awwww. Somebody is a sad salamander!

    2. Re:Ubuntu Names by chill · · Score: 2, Informative

      The download section for Miro doesn't use the numbers, only the names and they aren't the only ones that insist on doing that.

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  6. HULU? by owlnation · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I notice they mention sites like Hulu and CBS on their site, but I assume this is only available to US residents? They cunningly don't mention any restrictions.

    Have they got round this, or is this content still blacked out for most of the world?

  7. BugZilla sucks! by chill · · Score: 4, Insightful

    To any developers, please listen carefully.

    From and end-user perspective, BugZilla is a complicated, confusing, steaming pile of shit!

    As an end-user I shouldn't have to "create an account", "login" or anything else to report a damn bug. Especially from a link within the program itself. A brief bit of text outlining what makes up a good bug report is fine, but I shouldn't have to jump thru hoops just to say "X is broken, here is how to reproduce it, here is my config".

    For other developers, it is fine. For end-users, it is a nightmare.

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    1. Re:BugZilla sucks! by chill · · Score: 3, Informative

      Click the "Report Bug" link in Miro and you'll see the connection. It opens a link to their BugZilla form, asking you to create an account or login.

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    2. Re:BugZilla sucks! by chill · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm perfectly capable of entering a useful bug report, but BZ is a pain in the ass. If you ask for end-user help, then you need to accommodate end user methods without trying to pretend you can turn them into developers.

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    3. Re:BugZilla sucks! by Kral_Blbec · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not to mention it is still another pain in the ass to have to register for a service that I only intend to use once.

    4. Re:BugZilla sucks! by dkf · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Some open-source projects get all the bug reports they can handle despite the difficulty. Ease-of-use improvements in Bugzilla which increase the number of junk bugs reported by people who can't be bothered to put a little effort into it may not actually be helpful.

      More of an issue is the fact that if you allow anonymous submissions, you tend to get a problem with spam. It's not generally difficult to deal with spam, but it does take time to triage and squelch.

      OTOH, in the past I've fixed important bugs that were submitted anonymously and where I've never been able to identify after the fact who did the submission. I've also had some users mention to me that they never submit bug reports where they have to identify themselves in the process. Prohibiting anonymous submissions does mean that you miss out on some things.

      On reflection, I'd suggest that only large should accept anonymous submissions, since that at least saves effort for things that are reported properly. Large projects have to decide for themselves whether they value anonymous reports or spam-freedom more; I'm in two minds about it, depending on whether I'm dealing with spam or bugs at the time. If you do allow anon submissions, make sure you've got a mailing list set up to track all changes in the bug DB, since that makes it much easier to see trouble...

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    5. Re:BugZilla sucks! by cerberusss · · Score: 2, Informative

      There should be no reason they'd need your email address unless I wish to receive digests of posts via email.

      Well, in the case of Bugzilla (which was what the GP was talking about), it's useful because the software notifies you when comments are made or questions are asked about the bug you logged.

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  8. Re:Hulu, Linux, Miro and Flash by SlashdotOgre · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well according tot the article, streaming flash only works in Windows & OSX, by your post title I presume you're running some form of Linux. The exact quote is, "You can add streaming sites like Hulu to your sidebar (note: streaming with Flash only works in Windows and OSX)".

    This is unfortunate, although not a show stopper. Although it's probably coincidence I installed Windows in VirtualBox on my Gentoo based desktop just to stream Hulu to my Xbox 360 via PlayOn last night.

    Anyone know of an open source Hulu streamer (ideally one that supports UPNP for Xbox 360/PS3 support)? I've been serving local content over UPNP via fuppes (using their SVN releases, works great on the 360), but I doubt they'll be implementing Hulu support any time soon.

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  9. Freedom is still better than non-freedom. by jbn-o · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I understand and concur about not wanting programs to install stuff you don't want, but I thought I'd mention that this is not as bad as having proprietary software do something similar. With proprietary software you have no option to edit anything to make it work as you wish, or get it edited for you by someone you trust. With FLOSS that option exists even if you choose not to take advantage of it. FLOSS actually respects your ownership by giving you everything you need to make the program behave as you wish. Proprietary software does not respect your position that you own and should control your computer. Whether you are willing to leverage software freedom to your fullest benefit is a completely different issue that is entirely in your control.

    As it so happens, the Miro team is a pretty nice and responsive bunch of people so I don't think you'll find Miro doing something so unexpected now.

    1. Re:Freedom is still better than non-freedom. by GigaplexNZ · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, the argument that we want to make is "Because when we fuck up your computer, you can still fix it". Shit happens, software isn't perfect.

  10. Re:Can I get Battlestar Galactica in HD on it? by Fallingcow · · Score: 4, Informative

    It heavily promotes a large number of legal video RSS feeds (many of them very good), however you can use any torrent (or direct download, I think) RSS feed you want with the program. So, find a BSG HD torrent RSS feed (I'm sure they exist several places) and you're good to go.

  11. Re:I used to use Miro... by drDugan · · Score: 2, Informative

    Seems like no memory problem for me:

    http://i41.tinypic.com/jl5nb8.png

    on mac: 90MB "real memory", smaller than firefox at 101MB

  12. Hell-Bent by Hadlock · · Score: 3, Insightful

    More organizations need the term "hell-bent on" in their mission statement.

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  13. Further "alternative"distributions name suggestion by denzacar · · Score: 2, Funny

    Pedophile Panda?
    Sadistic Swan?
    Terrorist Turtle?
    Pirate Pinniped?
    Homosexual Hippopotamus?
    Republican Ram?
    Lesbian Lobster?
    Genocidal Gerbil
    Transsexual Termite?
    Homicidal Hummingbird?
    .
    .
    .

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  14. miro, a pretty neat idea by jollyreaper · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It also tries to integrate your torrent downloads so that you can track them from Miro as well.

    I'm running this on a mac and it appears that there's still not yet a proper solution for a torrent client with RSS. UTorrent was recently released for mac but it lacks many key features of the Windows client such as the RSS feed. http://tvrss.net/ seems to be a good, clean torrent feed and you can key in search terms to make sure you're only getting one provider of the show at a time. Will probably work great on Windows.

    I'm a recent mac convert and am surprised to read other mac heads saying they preferred running windows torrent programs under wine or in xp under parallels rather than deal with the sucky offerings for mac clients.

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  15. Network settings? by argent · · Score: 2, Informative

    I open it up and what do I get, about 6 dialogs telling me it can't connect to servers.

    1. Don't connect without asking me, thanks.
    2. You apparently can't connect until I can set my network settings, I guess you don't use the OS proxies.
    3. You don't have any place to set the proxies.

    Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

  16. OSX 10.4 ppc by Pictish+Prince · · Score: 2, Funny

    A modestly sized program, and easy to install. I told it to go catalog my media and it grabbed some pr0n it couldn't even play and some .ogg files from Wesnoth that I turn off the sound to avoid hearing. Then it crashed.

    Forced quit and tried it again. Watched a funny Onion spot and some bullshit propaganda called "The New World Order." Then it crashed again.

    Maybe I'll wait for 3.0

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  17. Miro & tvRSS.net by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    How to setup Miro for automatic downloading of your favorite shows. I've been doing this for a couple of years now. Grab your feeds from tvRSS.net. Use the filters properly and will d/l only the episodes you want. Enjoy.

  18. Linux is not a platform by Burz · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...nor is it an operating system to most end users because the kernel + GNU toolchain do not provide services they need.

    With that said, the Miro project does NOT package software for other Linux-based distros. Look at their download page for crisesakes.... The non-Ubuntu releases are put together and distributed outside of the Miro project.

    And this says it all:

    For Miro bugs on Mandriva, use the Mandriva bug tracker.

    etc, etc.

    The authors do not directly support Miro outside of Windows, OS X and Ubuntu operating systems.