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The Real Risks of Obama's BlackBerry

An anonymous reader writes "When the mainstream media first announced Barack Obama's 'victory' in keeping his BlackBerry, the focus was on the security of the device, and keeping the US president's e-mail communications private from spies and hackers. The news coverage and analysis by armchair security experts thus far has failed to focus on the real threat: attacks against President Obama's location privacy, and the potential physical security risks that come with someone knowing the president's real-time physical location. In this article, a CNET blogger digs into the real risks associated with the President carrying around a tracking device at all times."

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  1. Cellphones? by argent · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Prez doesn't have a cellphone?

    1. Re:Cellphones? by epiphani · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Oddly enough, that pretty much covers it. This article has nothing specifically to do with blackberrys, its about any kind of cell phone using a public GSM or CDMA network.

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    2. Re:Cellphones? by argent · · Score: 3, Informative

      The acceptable latency for email is much higher... if you send someone an email you're not sitting there with a brick against your face waiting for them to get it and reply, if it takes a few minutes, even, that's pretty good. Many mail servers have longer internal latency than that. Given the power budget for these things, if RIM don't take advantage of that to reduce the power use they should be shot.

    3. Re:Cellphones? by hey! · · Score: 3, Informative

      Here's something to ponder. Do presidents carry a wallet? What would they use it for? Surely, they never need to show ID. Why would they need cash, or credit cards? They're not going to take a spur of the moment side trip to Target to do some Christmas shopping.

      George H. W. Bush lost the election to Bill Clinton in part because of an infamous incident where he visited a supermarket and was amazed to find that prices were scanned by laser. As president, and vice president for eight years before that, he had never once popped out to the supermarket for a gallon of milk.

      This puts the Obama-Blackberry thing in a different perspective. Presidents spend their days wrapped up in a kind of cocoon that isolates them from what are the normal details of life for everyone else. Every mundane need is quietly taken care of without his having to ask. Every communication outside his immediate support system is elaborately screened, planned and orchestrated. So Obama's insistence on keeping "his" blackberry makes a kind of sense in this context; it reflects a desire to have some other channel of communication that isn't completely managed on his behalf by his usual staff.

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  2. Femto-cells by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seems like using a portable femtocell and a private relay to some central government location would be enough to mitigate the problem. And besides, don't the secret service carry cell phones?/ If you can't track the prez, just track the people around him.

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    1. Re:Femto-cells by Rei · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Back when I worked at Rockwell-Collins, I was developing software for a piece of SIGINT hardware. Every so often, a group of spooks from the client would come on over to play with the tools (I never learned which branch of the government they were from; management liked being vague). On one of these occasions they were scanning through the spectrum and tuning in to various signals that popped up with various demodulations. Then they encountered a signal they didn't recognize and couldn't understand, and got all excited like kids in a candy store. Someone suggested that it was probably something being worked on at Rockwell itself, and so they pulled out a directional antenna, left our office, and started running through the halls trying to track it down.

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    2. Re:Femto-cells by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      usajobs.gov

      Search for covert agent, SIGINT, whatever strikes you. ...and no, I'm not kidding.

    3. Re:Femto-cells by rickb928 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The Chinese seem to be active in EWS, largely because we've developed the bad habit of admitting them to the U.S. for so long to our best PhD programs.

      Stat. anal. return processing would require multiple antennas to develop what amounts to a 'map' of the space being irradiated. This sounds a little like the prmise behind backscatter systems, where adapting to the changing propogation effects was a big hurdle. Various random and pseudorandom baseband noise techniques might make the returns less usable. This sounds like EWS and surveillance systems, since tracking and targeting need more precision and quicker response, and generally work in shorter ranges where even raw power can overcome some countermeasures.

      Of course, you generally don't need to entirely defeat a system, merely degrade the performance, delay the response, or just confuse the system long enough to get past it. Maybe a few seconds sometimes.

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    4. Re:Femto-cells by stephanruby · · Score: 3, Funny

      Either that, or his dad was just having an affair. At least, that's what my dad tells his primary wife and his idiot son when he stays with them.

  3. Re:turn it off? by brian0918 · · Score: 5, Funny

    That may not be enough for most devices out there. You'll probably also have to take out the battery, and even then there could be an internal battery that keeps the tracking going. Your best bet, whenever you don't want people to track you through your cell phone, would be to smash it to bits, or coat it in honey and feed it to a bear.

  4. PrezBO's security by mrjimorg · · Score: 5, Funny

    I wouldn't worry too much about it. The #1 thing that is going to guarantee his security is this- if he dies, Biden becomes president. Just put a few adds on TV stating this and he'll be the safest man in the world.

    1. Re:PrezBO's security by Shakrai · · Score: 3, Funny

      The #1 thing that is going to guarantee his security is this- if he dies, Biden becomes president.

      If that was his approach to security he would have asked Dick Cheney to be his running mate ;)

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    2. Re:PrezBO's security by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 5, Funny

      If that was his approach to security he would have asked Dick Cheney to be his running mate

      nah, that kind of thinking just blows up in your face.

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  5. Re:turn it off? by geminidomino · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Or leave it at home?

  6. Risks of NOT using a BlackBerry by abroadst · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let's remember how important it is to have a president who is not overly insulated by yes-men. He needs direct communication with the outside world. Sure we could lock him in a lead box under the Pentagon if our top priority was keeping him "safe" but what good is that?

  7. Re:Obama's crackberry doesn't have a power button by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 5, Funny

    Even if it happens to be in the form of a really big sledgehammer with the word "OFF" emblazoned on it?

  8. Ring ring ring by paiute · · Score: 4, Funny

    POTUS: Hello?
    Caller: Hi. Do you have...uh...like Prince Albert in a can?
    POTUS: Excuse me?
    Caller: Wait! I mean...is your refrigerator running? Could you like go and check it?
    POTUS: How did you get this number? Who is this?
    Caller: Uh...this is Haywood. Haywood Jablo-
    Click.

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  9. Seriously? by i_am_socket · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They don't think he's already got a tracking device on him at all times anyway? It's calls "several dozen Secret Service agents." Pretty hard to miss, honestly.

  10. Re:turn it off? by genner · · Score: 4, Funny

    coat it in honey and feed it to a bear.

    No good, the bear will follow you around looking for more handouts. In the meantime operatives are tracking the bear.

  11. Exploding battery risks far higher by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Make sure one of the Secret Service guys always carries the BB.

    Seriously, this is just another case of illogical fear of "new" technologies. It is already easy to track him: just look for the long motorcade.

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  12. Re:turn it off? by jgtg32a · · Score: 4, Funny

    But then you have a bear to help you deal with the operatives

  13. Wow, they know where the president is by jollyreaper · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't think they ever could have sussed it out without the phone. It's not like the giant airplane, motorcades, helicopters, press pool, and army of Secret Service agents are a dead giveaway. The man can't even take a piss without a humorless man in black sunglasses whispering into his wrist.

    If there are any vulnerabilities to be found here, no doubt there will be hackers looking into it and making it public knowledge for the notoriety, just like they do with Microsoft. The holes will be plugged, new research paid for, and I think we can all rest assured that wireless security will be all the more advanced from his eight years in office.

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  14. Re:turn it off? by Hogwash+McFly · · Score: 3, Funny

    Well then feed it to a rat and get your ass to Mars.

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  15. Knowing where the President is... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... is much less important, from a personal security standpoint, than knowing where he's going to be.

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  16. So what? by Shrike82 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So let's imagine someone did actually manage to track the President using his Blackberry. Now that person could plan an assassination based on the Presiden't location? How is that more useful than knowing he'll be in location X at time Y based on a press release, or a public event?

    The last link supposedly discusses the "risks" of a "trackable" President by supposing some would-be assassin could tell if the President was in the White House, or which car he was in out of several choices. Wouldn't this assassin be better off waiting for a public rally where the President's attendance, location (and probably the time of his attendance) are public knowledge?

    This just strikes me as wild speculation with a healty dose of paranoia. Maybe I'm wrong, and I'm sure a hundred people will now cite many examples of how this could lead to "another JFK". Fire away people...

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  17. Give me a break by djupedal · · Score: 5, Funny

    U.S. Presidents have had subcutaneous tracking implants for some time now.

    Given a bit of technical savvy, those are no different when it comes to anyone being able to locate the Pres.

    In addition, you could strip him of tech hardware completely and the plethora of social indicators easily associated with his daily routine would still light him up like a Shenzhen cathouse.

    1. Re:Give me a break by Shakrai · · Score: 4, Funny

      U.S. Presidents have had subcutaneous tracking implants for some time now.

      Please explain this statement by using <sarcasm> or <tinfoil hat> tags so we can figure out if we should laugh or mock you ;)

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  18. i don't think obama has a blackberry by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Informative

    i think he has a sectera edge, which is a sort of military grade blackberry. as such, you can bet he is immune from the kind of attack mentioned in the summary

    slashdot noted this already, with the rumor that he has a blackberry and a sectera. this is absurd because:

    1. the sectera has civilian and military network abilities, so it would be doubly redundant to have both a blackberry and sectera, since a sectera is pretty much already a blackberry+

    2. since we are talking about top level extremely sensitive communications, rumors about the reality of his communication device is all any of us will hear about, as a rule. and probably with purposeful misdirection about what obama is actually using thrown in to boot: let the yokels believe what they want to believe about his communication device and the "stories" aka myths about him keeping his blackberry. uh huh. anyone, anywhere, writing about what obama is using is either guessing or lying. the more the certainty and conviction they have about what his communication device is, the sillier they are. the only people who know for sure what obama is communicating with on the go are probably a few tight-lipped spooks at the nsa. and if they talk, they are about to lose their job and are going to be heavily prosecuted about disclosing obviously extremely senstive national security details of obama's mobile communication situation. all obama cares about is the convenience of qwerty keyboard email on the go in a cellphone. switch a real blackberry with a sectera edge, he is happy. he's married to the convenience, not an actual brand of device

    3. but i think most convincingly, when someone talks about obama keeping his "blackberry", i think they are using the word "blackberry" the way some people use "xerox": that is, like the word xerox has become a rough synonym for copying a piece of paper, i think blackberry is so ubiquitous now, any shiny brick with a full qwerty keyboard can be called a "blackberry" in common parlance, or soon will be. that's all the sectera edge is: a blackberry rip off with ultrahigh security. and that's most probably what obam is using

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    1. Re:i don't think obama has a blackberry by epiphani · · Score: 4, Informative

      Wrong.

      He carries both. And he is carrying a "real" blackberry.

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    2. Re:i don't think obama has a blackberry by GeekZilla · · Score: 5, Informative

      You are correct, it is a Sectera. I am a software engineer and am working on a web app for the dissemination of classified information on secure US networks. General Dynamics and the NSA worked together to create a mobile device that was both secure and rugged and it received final approval in late 2008. When that occurred, we began modifying our code to ensure it could run on the mobile device and even have one in the office for testing. After the election we learned that Obabma's "Blackberry" is really the GD Sectera or SME-PED.. There was one article that actually got it right soon after the election and turns out a news.google.com search for SME-PED reveals some good articles (I can't remember where I found the original article I referred to). From a Geek perspective, this is REALLY cool! Specs are freely available at the first link.

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    3. Re:i don't think obama has a blackberry by afidel · · Score: 4, Informative

      Wrong, he carries both, he has his Blackberry Curve for personal use AND he has the SME-PED for official use. It's VERY easy to tell which device he has in pictures as the SME looks like a Palm Treo 700W with blocky corners versus the smooth edges on the Curve.

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  19. unless they have chinese needle snakes by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Funny

    in which case, we need gorillas to take care of the snakes. and that's the beautiful part. when wintertime rolls around, the gorillas simply freeze to death

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  20. Re:turn it off? by legirons · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I mean, turn it off if you're trying to sneak around?

    The article mentioned one 'threat': that the SS driving around a limo pretending to contain the president while he arrives quietly in a different car, saying that the GSM chip would give away the 'right' car.

    Except that the ruse would work even better by putting the real phone in the fake car and driving that around. Do we believe the SS didn't already think of this?

  21. Unrealistic because ... by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... the driver simply turned on his cell phone and threw it in the luggage bin of a Greyhound bus. The cops were hundereds of miles off course by the time they found out.

    I think that may be unrealistic. Last time I looked (a LONG time ago) the luggage bin of a greyhound bus appeared to be a pretty good Faraday cage.

    Basic concept is good though. (Yes they can and do hunt down federal fugitives, serial killers, and the like by tracking the cellphone location when it's just turned on.) Just don't turn it on and throw it in a sealed metal box: They'll zero in on where you turned it on and go from there.

    The trick was also used in The Da Vinci Code, where the lead finds the tracking device and drops it onto a passing garbage truck. This is followed by a Keystone Cops / O. J. Simpson style car chase of the truck.

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  22. Re:turn it off? by thedonger · · Score: 4, Funny

    Or leave it at home?

    But then the bad guys would be able to find the secret location of the White house at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Washington, D.C.

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  23. I could imagine... by chipmeister · · Score: 5, Funny

    An antire group of people devoted to tracking and reporting on the whereabouts of the president. They could hire pundits to theorize on why he is there, film him getting in the car, getting out of the car. They could even predict where he's going to be, like "The president will be in Miami next Tuesday to talk to the guy in that place". Now that would be really freaky.

    1. Re:I could imagine... by Dragonslicer · · Score: 5, Funny

      An antire group of people devoted to tracking and reporting on the whereabouts of the president. They could hire pundits to theorize on why he is there, film him getting in the car, getting out of the car. They could even predict where he's going to be, like "The president will be in Miami next Tuesday to talk to the guy in that place". Now that would be really freaky.

      And we could give them a cute name, like "media".

  24. Can't hide the president. by goodmanj · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is a silly discussion.

    You can't hide the U.S. President in his daily business. It's just impossible. Motorcades, helicopters, public speeches, platoons of serious men in dark suits... the dude wins the prize for Most Obvious Man in America. forget about it.

    Now, if the President *wants* to hide, he goes to a secure bunker somewhere where the radio waves don't shine, somewhere that even the sneakiest guy with an antenna can't get within ten miles of.

  25. Re:Single Prez ? by shadow349 · · Score: 3, Informative

    This has the huge drawback of being a single point of failure and an easy target. (And has only 1 single backup : the vice president).

    Exactly! And by "exactly", I mean completely wrong.

  26. Re:turn it off? by mollymoo · · Score: 4, Funny

    They might know where he is when he's home, but it's all about subtlety when he's out and about. What about when he sneaks out in a secret motorcade with only 923 vehicles with flashing lights followed by dozens of members of the press with cellphones up the wazoo who track his every move 24/7? Or when he sneaks out in a flight of several helicopters with highly obvious markings? Or a Boeing 747 with an obvious paint-job and "I'm the fucking president, feel my power bitches" written on the side? Nobody can track him then.

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  27. One by shmlco · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "The big ass plane with the unique paint job, the helicopters with the presidential seal, the convoy of black Escalades, all those are kinda big giveaways."

    Well... actually, there are TWO Air Force Ones. The Marine One HMX-1 squadron consists (IIRC) of 28 birds, and most POTUS transport missions fly three identical whitebacks in an aerial shell game. And there are often multiple convoys of Escalades and Cadilac limos.

    So which plane? Which helicopter? Which convoy? Which limo? There's a difference between knowing where he is in a general sense, and in exactly which vehicle he's being transported.

    Besides, all of those "kinda big giveaways" you mentioned also make kinda big decoys. Just because they're there doesn't mean HE'S there...

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