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Confusion Reigns As Analog TV Begins Shutdown

As TV stations across the country switch off their analog signals, uncertainty reigns. Some 691 stations will have converted to digital broadcasting by midnight tonight (some interpreted the mandate as going digital by Feb. 17, not during Feb. 17, and shut down yesterday). This represents about a third of TV broadcasters nationwide. No one can say how many of the estimated 5.8 million households unready for the transition are in areas served by the stations that are switching now. The FCC added to the uncertainty by imposing extra conditions, making it unclear until last Friday exactly which stations would be switching at the beginning of the transition period. The article quotes a former analyst at Barclays Capital who said the whole process has been "botched politically."

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  1. Once again... BFD by __aagmrb7289 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why the heck are we getting a story posted on this almost daily? Who cares? I've read the threads, and it's not a big deal. Anyone with half a brain will be fine. Anyone else, well, maybe there are survival of the fittest selection standards still hitting us, on occasion. I don't see that as a bad thing.

    1. Re:Once again... BFD by Chabo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't see why the deadline had to be pushed back any further. Even if it did, I don't see any reason why the deadline became a "dead-range". It should've been all-or-nothing, and that's what it was intended to be.

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    2. Re:Once again... BFD by LandDolphin · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Are you surprised that you would have to pay more for a HD signal vs. the "crappy low-quality" signal you currently get? Were you also surprised that you had to pay more for a HDTV vs. a "crappy low-quality" TV?

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    3. Re:Once again... BFD by hurfy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Even tho that has nothing to do with reality?

      If they didn't get one yet, they are screwed anyway...well unless the CW was the only* station here that you wanted to receive tomorrow! Can even the half-brains watch that station and only that station all day ?!?

      I am confused as to why they made it more confusing.....

      *Disregarding Ion television which appears to be on a low-power transmitter.

    4. Re:Once again... BFD by Dallas+Caley · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Seriously, we've got more important things to worry about in this country that weather people can watch their soaps on channel 4. Why are we wasting money on this.

      Here's a wake up call to all those who are watching regular TV and can't afford to get a box. Perhaps they should stop watching so much TV and get a real job

    5. Re:Once again... BFD by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There are also quite a few people who (probably for quaint religeous reasons), still rely on the analog wireless broadcasts to receive their pre-scheduled, pre-chosen video stream.

      Everyone I know who watches OTA TV does it by and large for one reason: It's free.

      Yes, you have to watch ads, nothing is free, blah blah blah, but the fact remains that once they've bought the set and the antenna they don't have to pay to watch TV. In my jurisdiction, basic cable is nearly $450 per year. Some people just choose to spend that $450 elsewhere.

    6. Re:Once again... BFD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The part he nailed on the head was that it's the networks who care, not the majority of the consumers. If the networks don't have anyone to watch their ads, they won't have anyone to buy ad space.

    7. Re:Once again... BFD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The networks care, but the local stations want to switch.. Right now they are paying for space for two antennas, two power bills, etc. Most also have standby stations for fail over purposes, and the amount of power and other overhead for both costs them more then the 2% of users who might not be ready.

      As to why people aren't ready, I can't fathom.. One of our local stations has even been offering to select and buy new quality Channel Master antennas for anyone in their broadcast territory for almost 2 years now, and the coupons have been going on for a year or so..

    8. Re:Once again... BFD by MissionAccomplished · · Score: 2, Insightful

      20 bucks for continued free TV? How about you take up a collection for those poor folks who can't afford that...

    9. Re:Once again... BFD by nick.ian.k · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Here's a wake up call to all those who are watching regular TV and can't afford to get a box. Perhaps they should stop watching so much TV and get a real job.

      Because anyone who can't work such a box into a tight budget obviously hasn't got a real job, right? Because your baseless judgement of other people's situations relative to your own just flat out reign supreme? Here's a wake up call to you and every last fake Libertarian shitbag who modded you insightful: yes, we know you've managed to obtain jobs just good enough to afford a few luxuries, not struggle vary hard, and yet, between all that exalted 80+ hours a week "real job" time, find time to bitch about the failings of the poor and lazy on Slashdot, and tip us off to the truth: you just robbed another lazy sad sack of a position, and if not for you, one more person could've bought the box already, or even cable, and done what you've done here.

    10. Re:Once again... BFD by Nyeerrmm · · Score: 5, Insightful

      While I agree with the sentiment, the one serious counter-argument I'd give is that you need to ensure that people are able to receive public safety announcements. TV is much better than radio for dealing with severe weather, because being able to see the weather maps and storm tracks gives you a much better idea of what's going on. Going into tornado season in Oklahoma (where I grew up) without TV would make me a little uncomfortable.

      Recall that we (the people) give the broadcasters the right to use the airwaves in exchange for them providing public services: news, weather, and emergency announcements. We decided these things are important, so its important to make sure their accessible.

      But at the same time, this has been coming for a long time, people should have been able to figure it out by now.

    11. Re:Once again... BFD by eleuthero · · Score: 2, Insightful

      rather than spreading vitriol, I think a good number of us are simply amazed that TV has become a necessity so much so that the government (and thereby each taxpayer) has to pay for us all to keep having it--last I checked, the trees and parks of the world still had kids playing in them.

  2. My biggest problem with all of this... by garcia · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As I have said time and time again, this has been a gigantic clusterfuck of enormous proportions.

    1. The American public should have received a check (not a tax credit, not a credit card looking coupon, etc) for the total sale of the spectrum divided by every single citizen of this nation.

    2. When the TV was moved to digital, it should have been better than what was offered before. Yes, the quality is better (when you can receive the signal) but most of the time (even with good equipment) the signal doesn't come in, you lose channels, and they randomly drop audio and video. At least with the old way, if it came in most of the way, I could still see and hear what was going on.

    3. This was all unnecessary anyway. I don't care about opening up spectrum for other services when I am not directly benefiting in any way, shape or form by the change over. If you are seriously going to tell me that because I now have access to more channels, most of which rarely come in well after spending $20 on a box and $20+ more on rabbit ears or $40+ on a "HD" antenna, then you're wrong.

    Boo on digital TV.

    1. Re:My biggest problem with all of this... by MightyYar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      1. I disagree - the amount per person is too small. It would be like one of those $1.60 checks you get in the mail for some class action settlement you'd rather not have been a member of.

      2 & 3. I'm sorry it didn't work out for you. For me, I got only a few fuzzy channels before with severe ghosting and now I have all the major networks, crystal clear with only occasional drop-outs. I almost never turned on broadcast TV before, and now the picture is good enough to watch hockey. I guess this is very much a YMMV situation.

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    2. Re:My biggest problem with all of this... by MightyYar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      LOL. I happen to like hockey :)

      I only used it as an example because it is one of the harder things to watch without a good picture.

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    3. Re:My biggest problem with all of this... by CodeBuster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Today, they broke compatibility and they've failed to offer enough to justify it.

      I disagree. The UHF spectrum was simply to valuable for society to continue to allow a few analog TV holdouts to continue squatting on some of the most valuable parts of the EM spectrum for free or minimal cost. Part of the reason why wireless services in the United States are so behind Europe, Japan, and even China is because there are lots of legacy squatters occupying prime pieces of EM spectrum real estate for peanut change. The EM spectrum rights should go to whomever is willing to pay the public the most for them, and nowadays that is wireless telecom companies such as Verizon, AT&T, and Sprint/Nextel not grandma with her Philco black and white analog TV that she has not upgraded since 1964. if the remaining analog TV users wanted to continue using the UHF spectrum, preventing the rest of us who are willing to pay from getting next gen wireless services, then they should have bid against the telecoms in the auction. Analog TV lost because other uses are worth more to more people, plain and simple.

  3. Why keep pushing back the deadline by elrous0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If grandma hasn't upgraded the old Philco black & white by now, she probably never will (until forced). As for the coupons, there was no reason they couldn't have extended the coupon program but still kept the original timeline.

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    1. Re:Why keep pushing back the deadline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because Obama's advisor for the DTV transition works for a company that benefits from the delay. Until that chunk of the spectrum becomes available to the people who paid for it (mainly Verizon & AT&T), his company has less competition.

  4. Re:Revolt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Good point. Americans are likely to get extremely angry when [1] they can't watch TV, and [2] the price of gas breaks a psychological barrier, like $2. The problems?

    - What percentage of Americans receive their TV over the air?

    - Congress is currently experiencing approval ratings rivaling David Duke at the Million Man March, yet over 90% of the current Congress was re-elected. I voted 100% anti-incumbent this fall, and maybe Americans should wake the freak up and stop just voting party lines. Congress is well aware of this: they can do anything [and I mean, ANYTHING], and they WILL get re-elected.

  5. Re:I agree. by SBacks · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm in a spot were I'm at least 20 miles from any TV broadcast so nothing really comes in well - lots of the blocking, no sound and many times the "no signal" floating box. Oh, my microwave disrupts the TV signal.

    20 miles and you don't get a signal? You either have no concept of distance or you don't actually have an antenna.

  6. Re:most are the elderly many alone and without fam by Propaganda13 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If people haven't heard what to do then they're not watching enough tv. They've had plenty of test blackouts scheduled with numbers to call if they are not receiving a digital signal.

    My 90 year old grandmother was ready 6 months ago. She watches the least amount of TV of anybody I know. I really don't think it's old people that aren't setup.

  7. And which of the citizens was consulted... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    It's all very well moving into the brave new world of digital television but just how many citizens actually asked for it to happen? A small minority I suspect.

    The point is, the whole change over was driven by corporate greed. Technical changes drive transactions and each transaction is an opportunity to fleece the customer.

    The population would have been perfectly happy with the old technology if the new technology hadn't been foisted on them.

  8. Re:Across the country? by The+End+Of+Days · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nobody said US-only. It's a lot simpler to make up a point than to actually make one, isn't it?

  9. Re:Revolt by RudeIota · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Congress is currently experiencing approval ratings rivaling David Duke at the Million Man March

    I'd just like to point out that Congressional approval polls mean nothing.

    Approval ratings taken by random, national samplings will yield nothing but unresearched opinions based on shallow news coverage and your average person's limited understanding even what congress does. I doubt even 50% of the people polled even understand that Congress and Senate are part of the same government branch, let alone have a meaningful, formulated opinion based on actually performance.

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  10. Botched? by DannyO152 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Who with any perceptive acuity and fundamental understanding of economics thought that everyone would pay more to continue to see free television? Especially when the recession train was in sight?

    The Congress and FCC? Well, there you go.

  11. Confusion my ass by Guysmiley777 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Screw any idiots who don't have cable or satellite and haven't gotten off their lazy asses to get a digital receiver. If it was SUCH an important thing to them they would have done something about it already.

    We could wait another 20 years and there would still be morons crying about it. Yank the band-aid off fast and be done with it.

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  12. Re:Revolt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Do you realize quite how annoying it is to sign your post? Especially when your name is just below your subject? And in your signature?

  13. The scrolling text on my screen will be over soon by theurge14 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Over 12 months of wall-to-wall "PLEASE UPGRADE YOUR TELEVISION BY FEBRUARY 17, 2009!" covering the entire bottom of my screen.

    If you haven't seen that by now and made plans you deserve to have your TV dropped on your head.

  14. Re:Revolt by jalefkowit · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I doubt even 50% of the people polled even understand that Congress and Senate are part of the same government branch...

    Actually, it's the House of Representatives and the Senate that are part of the same government branch, which is collectively referred to as the United States Congress.

    If you're going to be calling half the people in the country idiots, make sure you're in the other half first ;-)

  15. Oh yeah... It is time for action by Shivetya · · Score: 3, Insightful

    After this wonder demonstration of government incompetence I say let us let them manage our Health Care and Health Care records!

    At least we know they are demonstrably bad at most of what they do, so we won't have higher than normal expectations.

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  16. Duh... by Groggnrath · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Here's a thought, when you make a plan...stick to it.

    The few people who aren't ready for the digital conversion now will likely fail to be ready by June.

  17. Re:most are the elderly many alone and without fam by Dynedain · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I agree... I'm so tired of the "old people don't know what's going on...." canard. My grandmother has asked me about it and knew it was coming, and she doesn't even OWN a TV.

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  18. Re:Oh yeah... It is time for action by PunditGuy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    OMG incompetent guvmunt can't do nuthin right, right?

    I'm so sick of this argument, especially as it relates to health care. We pay more and get less in return than the citizens in dozens of other countries. The difference? People in other countries ceded some and varying levels of control of health care -- a basic human necessity -- to an entity without a profit motive.

    No amount of anecdotal "waiting lists" or complaints about phantom lawsuits driving up costs can change the objective fact, which is that we're being ripped off by the existing private system. It has failed to expand the reach of care, to control costs or to improve the health of the nation. Yet we continue to fall for idiotic "government can't do anything right" arguments despite all the real-world examples of governments that are succeeding in keeping their populations healthy while spending less per capita.

  19. Last one to leave-- turn out the lights... by Kazoo+the+Clown · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Finance has crashed, housing has crashed, oil is crashing, retail is crashing, now here begins the media. Maybe now I can get some peace and quiet.

  20. Re:The confusion is part of the Stimulus by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's easy, whatever Sparky at Best buy tells them to buy.

    He's an expert and those $98.00 HDMI cables have such a clearer picture!!! I'm going back to buy a $980.00 power strip to make my greens greener!

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  21. the near-sighted geek by westlake · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Seriously, we've got more important things to worry about in this country that weather people can watch their soaps on channel 4. Why are we wasting money on this.

    Because it affects our most isolated and vulnerable populations. the elderly, the poor, and the disabled.

    Look around you.

    Find out where these people live.

    How these people live.

    Four hours spent on a rural bus run can be very educational.

    The third-rate nursing homes.

    The group homes and apartments built on barren agricultural lots five miles from the nearest traffic light.

    The tenant houses and run-down trailer parks you never gave a thought to.

    $90 a month as a personal allowance.

    Out of which will come your co-pays for therapy and drugs and blood work.

    Capped at perhaps $300/yr.

    Life-Line phone service at 10 cents a minute.