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S3 Graphics Responds About Linux Support

V!NCENT writes "Phoronix has an update on S3's Linux driver state: 'We are doing an internal build of the Chrome 500 Linux driver to incorporate some of the additional hardware features and upgrades (over the Chrome 400 Series GPUs). If you want to test the Linux now, the Chrome 400 Series drivers also support the Chrome 500 Series since it is a unified driver architecture.'" (This after the beef that Phoronix raised about S3's failure to deliver on promises of better Linux support for the 500 series.)

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  1. I bet by jetsci · · Score: 5, Funny

    that this wouldn't fly with Windows. They always get top of the line drivers delivered promptly...

    /jealous

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    1. Re:I bet by Darkness404 · · Score: 5, Informative

      They always get top of the line drivers delivered promptly...

      What version of Windows have you been using? Most Windows drivers are horrible! They require third-party apps to be run in order to use the hardware, frequently install "quick start" or other memory hog applications to be run always in the background, usually break when going from different Windows versions (and sometimes service packs), have little to no maintenance, are a pain to install, impossible to find without the CD or going to a site that seems suspicious, and more often than not are the cause of all Windows crashes.

      Sure, Windows has more third-party drivers than Linux, but Windows drivers are not quality, not at all.

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    2. Re:I bet by whoever57 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I have recently found that ATI doesn't support XP SP3 for their legacy hardware. Try to install it and it claims that there is no compatible hardware.

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    3. Re:I bet by GF678 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sure, Windows has more third-party drivers than Linux, but Windows drivers are not quality, not at all.

      God I get really angry sometimes at comments like this. People assume that their own experiences are all that counts.

      My experiences:

      * My Intel X3100 (965GM) graphics chipset runs faster and supports OpenGL 2 in Windows instead of running far slower and only OpenGL 1.4 in Linux. So, it's faster and more capable. I can even do things like force aspect ration when running at a lower resolution, something I can't do with these drivers in Linux.

      * My old Canon inkjet printer provides more information in Windows. I can bring up a window showing the ink levels so I can have a rough estimate as to when I should go out to get more cartridges. I can also force a manual clean of the heads if necessary, something I cannot do with the generic drivers in Linux.

      * My Realtek HD audio audio chipset has a really dodgy volume ramp-up in Linux. From about 0% to 50% it is fairly steady, but quiet. From 50% onwards it seems to change the amount of volume that is increased per each percentage tick. It's not linear. Very annoying since I end up lacking the fine-grained volume control that I can get with the drivers in Windows. A change in a volume tick in Windows at the higher levels is subtle, but in Linux it's much more noticeable. Might not sound like a big issue but it is when the volume doesn't work like your brain thinks it should!

      * My webcam in Windows has additional controls such as horizontal mirroring of the image, automatic gain control, etc. I am not presented with such functions in Linux due to the primitive development of webcam drivers.

      So in short - if you ignore what DOESN'T work very well in Linux, well then no wonder a lot of people try it, find it lacking and go back to Windows. Things will never improve in ignorance.

    4. Re:I bet by cheater512 · · Score: 3, Informative

      It varies. Lets leave it at that.

      The HP Printer drivers for Linux are *far* superior to the Windows ones in every way.
      Not only are they on SourceForge (but made by HP themselves), but they support every feature you can name. Network printing, fax, scanner, card reader and so on.
      Checking the ink levels is more precise than on Windows.
      They all tie in properly with the appropriate Linux subsystems. CUPS, Sane, etc...

      FYI I'm using one of their networked multifunction centers.
      Network autodetection on Linux is quick and painless and using it over the network doesnt add/remove any features compared to USB.

      Not to mention that the Windows drivers are 250mb to download, and the Linux ones are 11mb for the same thing.

  2. Standard Operating Procedure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It is common for companies to issue 'forward looking' statements and clueless positive outlook synergestic lies. Usually by marketing, sales and PR, they totally ignore the engineers, developers or any other employee that may actually know what the fuck they are talking about, and quite often sneer at them for 'not getting it'.

    It is a syndrome that is quite common - a scientist says something like 'global warming is a problem'. Put a guy in a suit, call him a CEO or a politician, and his 'I'm confident . . .' bullshit will win almost every time.

    So I simply refuse to believe ANY STATEMENT by these guys - they have ZERO credibility left.

     

  3. Re:AC Responds About Linux Support by Dunbal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    as Bruce Perens famously said at Linux SF Con 2006, Linux is only free if your time has no value

          Three years is a long time in computing years. Too bad you're missing out on everything linux has to offer nowadays. Enjoy your vendor lock-in, and don't forget, Microsoft wants you to pay the tax again in a year or so.

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  4. Sad by Darkness404 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    These days, its sad if a hardware manufacturer doesn't support Linux. There are plenty of people literally begging for the specs of hardware so they can write clean, proper and free Linux drivers. If you are going to make low-end hardware as S3 does, you better make sure that Linux compatibility is one of the first things on you list.

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    1. Re:Sad by whoever57 · · Score: 3, Funny

      S3 is obviously worried about their advanced technology being stolen by nVidia and AMD if they publish an open-source driver or the specs required to write such a driver.

      Clearly, as S3 slipped behind the competition in video card performance, they also let the clue train get away.

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    2. Re:Sad by Darkness404 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A company like S3 is insane for prioritizing its development time to a platform with 85% of the desktop market!

      But when you make low end products, it is best to develop for the low end market. These days, the low end market is dominated by Linux and XP. With XP having about 75% and Linux about 25%. Now, if it was so difficult for them to write a proper Linux driver, it might make sense, but if they give specs to a kernel developer (even under an NDA so long as the resulting driver was GPL'd) they wouldn't have to do a thing and they would have a high-quality driver for Linux.

      Would a business risk ~25% of its customers by not doing something that costs the company $0 along with improving its PR? I don't think most businesses would, and thats why its so sad.

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  5. Re:who are these people? by SaDan · · Score: 5, Informative

    As an AC previously stated, motherboards with VIA's integrated video use the Chrome drivers.

    I bought an Everex laptop that uses Chrome9 drivers, and it doesn't do bad for what it is ($300 laptop running Ubuntu).

    My wife's PC is also an Everex system with a VIA integrated video using Chrome drivers. It's the $200 system Wal-Mart was selling a while ago.

    Why pay for a video card that costs half as much, or more, than the entire system? Video performance is acceptable for day-to-day use, even playing YouTube videos.

  6. VIA's Linux Portal site by SaDan · · Score: 3, Informative

    http://linux.via.com.tw/

    Get your latest Linux drivers there. I went there to get better drivers for the two VIA systems I own that rely on Chrome drivers, and the newer drivers worked great.

    S3's product site is here: http://www.s3graphics.com/en/products/

  7. Re:AC Responds About Linux Support by Kjella · · Score: 3, Insightful

    as Bruce Perens famously said at Linux SF Con 2006, Linux is only free if your time has no value

    Three years is a long time in computing years. Too bad you're missing out on everything linux has to offer nowadays.

    Yes, I know he's trolling but you're not really countering his point. In the context that Bruce Perens used it, Linux isn't free nor will it ever be. Neither is paying for Windows. Neither is pirating Windows. Every hour spent on maintaining or fixing your machine, or any time wasted because you're less efficient in one OS than in another OS, or every time you must use an inferior application to one you could have been using you're losing value. It's fundamental opprtunity cost even if I'm not paid for that hour, where I could say work an hour less and still have the same net amount of personal time left. It's not just the question "Does Linux do everything I want?" but also "Is Linux more efficient at doing what I want?" or at least not worse than the price of Windows + apps. I'm using the desktop now and while I can say that it works out quite well, I'm not sure I can say it's a big win on TCO.

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  8. Re:who are these people? by Average · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There's the evangelism perspective.

    Look, if you're like me, and been primarily Linux-using since the a.out days (see Slashdot ID), you'll check every component and buy based on "what works great with Linux", and even "who's directly advancing open-source software, not being buttheads".

    Problem is, I, and much of the Linux community, want to be able to give an Ubuntu LiveCD to my friend Joe who just recently heard about this 'Linux thing". And have it work.

    I don't want to say "so, what kind of video chipset did eMachines put in your Walmart box", "what network", "what sound".

  9. Re:who are these people? by moosesocks · · Score: 3, Informative

    Really? The vast majority of built-in video cards that I've seen come from Intel.

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