Slashdot Mirror


Microsoft Unveils "Elevate America"

nandemoari writes "In response to the current economic crisis, Microsoft Corp. has come out with a stimulus plan of their own. Their goal is to help a large group of individuals use their computers to land employment in ways other than to generate a compelling resume. The new online initiative, Elevate America, is set to equip close to 2 million people (over the next three years) with the skills needed to succeed in the field of technology."

26 of 325 comments (clear)

  1. Clearly, by Ixtl · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's a trap.

    1. Re:Clearly, by debrain · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's a trick. Get an axe.

    2. Re:Clearly, by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 5, Funny

      ...right around the time the temperature in hell dips below 0 degrees.

      Kelvin

    3. Re:Clearly, by machine321 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I hear they had 1400 employees working on this.

    4. Re:Clearly, by Draek · · Score: 4, Informative

      You make something really, *really* hot. It's fairly interesting, see here.

      --
      No problem is insoluble in all conceivable circumstances.
    5. Re:Clearly, by JoCat · · Score: 4, Funny

      HAHA! God forgot to check for integer overflows!

  2. That's great... by qoncept · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's great, but aren't there already more people equipped with computer skills than the market needs? America doesn't need more job-qualified people (at least, that's not the big problem), it needs jobs to put those people in to.

    --
    Whale
    1. Re:That's great... by erroneus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      SHHHH!!! You are going to mess up their plans! They are very large users of the H1-B visa program and they would like to justify their continued [ab]use of the program! After all, the firing of thousands in the US while claiming the are needs to expand the H1-B program in today's situation is a pretty questionable move on the surface. Now they have to do something to appease congress and fast!

    2. Re:That's great... by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, no, there are not more people with computer skills than the market needs. Yet, anyway. Unless by "computer skills" you are counting the ability to send an email or fill in a pre-made Excel spreadsheet.

      There is still high demand for people with REAL computer skills: programmers, back-end Web Developers, and good front-end Web Developers, for that matter. Not to mention the hardware end of things (although I am not necessarily referring to the "classical" IT position).

      And for the latest-and-greatest software tech, like Ruby and Python (and I will reluctantly include .NET, just because)??? The demand is still very high.

    3. Re:That's great... by IgLou · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Wait... IIRC isn't this phrase:

      They are very large users of the H1-B visa program

      Supposed to say this?

      They are the largest user of the H1-B visa program

      I'm being cheeky about it. But, I remember when they opened the office here in Vancouver how excited everyone was and then no one was being hired here but there was a lot of people coming in from abroad to work here. The problem is on paper it always looks better to move things offshore because the "operating effeciencies" but look what happens when things are moved, poorer quality, poorer service and no one cares. I'm inclined to blame the "Walmart/everything's disposable and cheaper to replace mentality".

      --

      Oops, how did this get here?
      09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
    4. Re:That's great... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I doubt greatly that English will be a reasonable choice for trade language into the next decade.

      You're prediction of the demise of English as the World trade language is quite premature.

      After all, the World speaks English not because of currency, but because of music and movies.

      When the next Batman movie and T-Pain record come out in Farsi, then you can start talking about the "Death of English". And dubbing doesn't count. I speak Italian, but watching The Simpsons in la Lingua just isn't as good.

      --
      You are welcome on my lawn.
    5. Re:That's great... by mysticgoat · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I doubt greatly that English will be a reasonable choice for trade language into the next decade.

      No, I think English will be the common language for most of this century at least. Although the English that is commonly used ten years from now may be as foreign to our ears as the English of Shakespeare. English is evolving faster than it ever has before.

      For over a decade, there have been more people who have learned English as a second language (ESL) than there are native speakers of English. At this point in time, there may be more ESL speakers than sum of all the native speakers of English who ever lived. If we ar not at that point yet, we soon will be.

      We are also very close to the point where more communication in English is being done between ESL speakers than is being done between a native speaker of English and an ESL speaker. It is common in FOSS projects to find a Finn, a Brazilian, and a Japanese person using English in their correspondence while they fix a bug or develop a feature.

      Would someone who knows how to do it propose a Slashdot poll for me? Something like this:

      1. My native and only human language is English (don't count programming languages)
      2. My native language is English and I am fluent in one or more other languages
      3. My native language is not English, but outside of my family and friends, I use English for most of my communications
      4. My native language is not English, but I use English for most of my internet communications
      5. I read Slashdot in some other language than English (Babblefish is my friend)
      6. I only talk to Cowboy Neal because, well, he's The Cowboy Neal

      It would be neat to see this done every couple of years, see what the trend is.

  3. Come on.... by panoptical2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Microsoft is just grabbing the opportunity to train more devs and IT in advanced Microsoft products. After all, this is what ensures that companies use these products; that way, the companies don't have to pay for training.

    They also use this tactic with student/academia discounts, also.... (MSDNAA, anyone?)

  4. It's a secret plan by iYk6 · · Score: 4, Funny

    As it is, the problem isn't a lack of qualified individuals, but rather a lack of jobs for them. On the face of it, this looks like a complete failure of an idea. But they have a secret. You see, they will teach people to use only Microsoft technologies, and if everything goes right, these people will be unemployable in an IT environment. When the number of qualified IT people is lowered to the number of jobs, success!

  5. Yes, it is what you think by Onaga · · Score: 5, Informative

    At first, I was going to post about not berating Microsoft blindly. Then I RTFA... They have basic courses for free online, but anything past that is an advertisement for MS certs.

  6. do this first by blhack · · Score: 4, Funny

    Can step #1 be teaching everybody in my office that Caps lock is not the same as shift?
    Also that you need to turn on num-lock to use the numpad?

    Seriously...what ever happened to requiring basic computer skills to get an office job?

    --
    NewslilySocial News. No lolcats allowed.
  7. its only MS Training by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    i see no Cisco training, Apache, MySql, etc
    but i do see training on Server2008 (woopee do)

    this is just a fluff/feelgood PR initative, when really they want 2 millon mcse's/advocates/salespeople who only know about a single vendors product and are therefore ill equipped for the modern diverse IT industry.

    there is more to IT than MS and a Mcse

  8. Nothing new here by Locke2005 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Nigerian "Princes" have been using their computers to generate income for themselves for years now...

    --
    I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
  9. Misleading introduction..! by bogaboga · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "...The new online initiative, Elevate America, is set to equip close to 2 million people (over the next three years) with the skills needed to succeed in the field of technology."

    This would have been better and on point:

    "...The new online initiative, Elevate America, is set to equip close to 2 million people (over the next three years) with the skills needed to succeed in using Microsoft technologies to perpetuate their proliferation while increasing dependence on such technologies at the same time."

  10. Disagree by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 4, Interesting

    First off, of course computer sales are in a slump. They were in a slump during the last big economic downturn, too. (Remember the "bubble"?) That doesn't mean much of anything.

    Second: Microsoft's slump is probably due more to peoples' general (and increasing) dissatisfaction with Microsoft than anything else. But the economy will hurt them, too. Maybe a lot. After all, a 5-year-old PC can run Linux just fine. But try Vista on it. Nope, didn't think so.

    I would be willing to bet that Microsoft's slump lasts longer than any slump for Intel or AMD or Google.

    And IBM? Who cares? When was the last time YOU bought something from IBM?

    1. Re:Disagree by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 4, Interesting

      XBox 360 - Chipset made by IBM
      Playstation 3 - Chipset made by IBM
      Wii - Chipset made by IBM

      I think most gamers care .....

      --
      Puteulanus fenestra mortis
  11. Your tax dollars at work by vonWoland · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The really brilliant part:

    Elevate America has two main offerings, one available immediately and one that will be provided in partnership with state governments

    Translation: MS will get money earmarked for retraining programs in order to flood the market with MS trained workers, depressing the wages of the latter and making their "TCO" so much more attractive.

    You have to admire a company that is able to screw us coming and going.

  12. Re:The special skill they want by moosesocks · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you're going to be a xenophobe, you might as well come out and say it, rather than blaming all of our economic woes on foreigners.

    The number of H1B workers is a drop in the bucket in the context of the national economy.

    The number of H1-B visas that can be issued in a given year is limited to 65,000 by law.

    According to the Bureau of Labor and Statistics, the total size of the American workforce was approximately 153.7 million last month (with unemployment at a troubling 11.6 million).

    An H1B worker is typically limited to a 6-year stay, unless the worker is applying for permanent residency. Assuming that all 65,000 workers stay each year, we have 390,000 H1B workers in the country at the present (I'd guess the actual number is somewhat less than that).

    At the very worst, H1-Bs might represent 0.25% of the national workforce.

    Microsoft employs 3,517 H1-B workers (the 3rd most of any American firm), out of 89,809 total employees, or just about 4%. This number might be a little high, although 4 percent doesn't strike me as being particularly alarming.

    Microsoft's recent round of layoffs (the first in the company's history) let go about 5,000 workers. Although I suppose these could have largely been avoided by eliminating all of the H1-B workers, that still leaves 1,500 workers, and assumes that every single H1-B worker was worthless to the company (which is somewhat doubtful).

    To summarize: Stop complaining about the H1-B workers. Although it's not a good idea to begin hiring foreign workers during a recession, the current crop of H1-B workers is simply too small to be having any substantial effect on the economy.

    --
    -- If you try to fail and succeed, which have you done? - Uli's moose
  13. Re:MS in the resume is bad for you by MikShapi · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Bullshit.

    Most interesting jobs are for people who can drive any car - whether it's a Toyota or a Renault.

    We're a 50-50 linux shop (a big bank), and if you "I DON'T DO WINDOWS", we regard you as the same dogmatic crowd as "I'M SCARED OF LINUX, IT HAS A COMMAND LINE". The clueless crowd we don't hire.

    If you're a professional systems engineer, you can manage anything (and code and script on it).

    If you're dogmatic about a product, you're putting your religious beliefs (those that tack 'good' and 'evil' labels on things such as Microsoft, GNU or the open-source community) before the interests of your employer, and we wouldn't touch you with a 10-meter pole.

    Best advice I can give is be ambivalent - get the fact you're a techie across. If you can sell yourself as an a-religious techie, you'll be in more demand.
    Make a potential employer understand you'll do what is best for him, and you won't let your decisions for him be dictated either by your fear of one thing or religious dogma favoring the other.

    --
    -
  14. Re:Just what the world needs by chill · · Score: 4, Funny

    You don't think Minesweeper and Solitaire are going to play themselves, do you?

    --
    Learning HOW to think is more important than learning WHAT to think.
  15. Easy! by RulerOf · · Score: 5, Funny

    How does one get the temperature below 0 degrees Kelvin?

    When jokes fly above the heads of unsuspecting slashdotters, the ensuing endothermic reaction has been shown to lower temperatures past 0 degrees K.

    The "woosh"-ing sound means it's working!

    --
    Boot Windows, Linux, and ESX over the network for free.