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Google Debunks Maps Atlantis Myth

prxi writes "Recently speculation spread that Atlantis may have been located on Google Ocean. Now Google has posted a blog entry, written by two oceanographers, explaining what exactly caused the strange markings off the coast of Africa. The authors also note that we have better maps of the surface of Mars than we do of our own oceans, and go into detail on what would be required to obtain a fine-grained map of the ocean floor. Apparently it's only 200 ship years of work, or around the cost of a modern stadium, give or take."

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  1. 0 comments? on a 5th thread on slashdot homepage?? by ionix5891 · · Score: 3, Funny

    No big loss, Atlantis was becoming one boring and predictable tv show

  2. I bet some one will say... by ryzvonusef · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ITS ALL A CONSPIRACY!!!111! or something like that :)

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  3. Obviously fake... by Aerynvala · · Score: 2, Funny

    Atlantis was laid out on a circular pattern, not a square/rectangular one. Duh! ;)

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  4. Data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From FTA:

    We do our best to predict what the sea floor looks like based on what we can measure much more easily: the water surface. Above large underwater mountains (seamounts), the surface of the ocean is actually higher than in surrounding areas. These seamounts actually increase gravity in the area, which attracts more water and causes sea level to be slightly higher. The changes in water height are measurable using radar on satellites.

    That is the most interesting thing I have read through Slashdot in a really long while.

  5. The reason.. by anilg · · Score: 3, Informative

    Reason for those lines: Ship tracks due to the way oceanographic equipment work.

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    1. Re:The reason.. by Muad'Dave · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I noticed that same area when the day this story broke. What was so interesting that someone bothered to go searching?

      I also wonder about these mini-seamounts off the coast of Nags Head - are they wrecks, or actual features?

      Also, what's with the blurring here? It's probably where data was stitched, but it might be intentional blurring of the wreck of the Monitor. I like a good conspiracy theory.

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    2. Re:The reason.. by Muad'Dave · · Score: 2, Informative

      PS - The Monitor Marine Sanctuary is in the blurred area. It "...consists of a vertical water column in the Atlantic ocean one mile in diameter extending from the surface to the seabed, the center of which is at 35 00' 23" north latitude and 75 24' 32 west longitude." [From this Federal Regulation].

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    3. Re:The reason.. by tpz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I've heard this stated many times in many places since this subject came up a few days back, but have yet to spot anyone ask the obvious follow-up question I'm going to ask you in case you might know the answer:

      All tinfoil-hat crap aside, why does this little patch of the ocean have so damn many ship tracks relative to any other random location? What of interest is (or is at least thought to be) down there in that area?

      I'm honestly curious.

    4. Re:The reason.. by anilg · · Score: 2, Informative

      Its not a single patch.. there are hundreds, maybe thousands of such patches, only all the eyes watching GMaps found a few of these.

      The one off Africa got a lot of publicity due to the "Atlantis" hype.. the interest in the particular area is simply the internet word of mouth effect.

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  6. So ... by DrugCheese · · Score: 2, Funny

    If we spent 40 stadiums worth of money we could have it done in 5 years? What is the exact stadium price to oceanographic research conversion?

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    1. Re:So ... by Cormacus · · Score: 2, Informative

      But you'll still end up paying the price of *one* stadium, whichever solution you use.

      Thats assuming that the ships and the scanning equipment already exists and may be employed (rented/hired) at a constant cost/time. If you have to invest in the equipment, then the overall cost goes up as a product of the number of ships you use.

      If I were to put this in terms of a car analogy . . .

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    2. Re:So ... by Sviergn · · Score: 2, Funny

      If we spent 40 stadiums worth of money we could have it done in 5 years?

      Clearly you have not read that critical technical project planning text, "The Mythical Stadium-Ocean"...

  7. Even larger "Atlantis" by saigon_from_europe · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Start Google Earth, go to the ocean west of the Ireland, and you will see even larger "Atlantis".

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  8. Cost? by nizo · · Score: 4, Funny

    Apparently it's only 200 ship years of work...

    How much more does it cost if some of the ships have to fend off pirates?

  9. Earth's Oceans Vs. Mars Surface by killmenow · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I doubt we'll ever have (publicly available) highly detailed ocean maps like we have of Mars. The reason: there are no nuclear submarines on the surface of Mars.

    1. Re:Earth's Oceans Vs. Mars Surface by Dragoness+Eclectic · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's far more complicated than that. Some of our ocean floor data is obtained through classified channels, and thus can't be published; even more of it is obtained via treaties and agreements that make the data "unclassified, restricted to DOD only", which means it still can't be published on Google.

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  10. Yeah I saw that episode by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 2, Funny

    This is the finale, where they end up landing Atlantis on earth....right?
    Oh wait, you were talking about the REAL Atlantis, I thought it never existed.

  11. Re:well by StoatBringer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not that it was FICTIONAL!!!?

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  12. Re:Only 2 billion dollars? by Sjefsmurf · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Problem is... there arent really that many ships out there with proper equipment for this type of work (multi beam echo sounders and and sonarts for quality mapping of the ocean floor) and if someone went out there to rent 100 ships for 2 years, there would be a significant shortage of surveying vessels for everybody.

    Prices would head towards infinity and beyond faster than the US gov could print money to pay with.

    On the positive side, you would need a lot of additional people. You would need quality positioning data for places which do not have it today (basically, differential GPS reference stations) and you would need satcom to collect the data in real time so the ships did not need to stop surveying to offload data and did not get too far away from the survey area before the data had been through proper quality control.

    That is, you also need staff to work around the clock processing the massive amounts of data you would get.

    You will also need equipment specialized for shallow waters where ships normally cannot go without high risk (corals reefs for instance). Probably smaller boats that can be operated from a larger mother ship or helicopters.

    The article simplifies this a lot. The real cost of mapping the entire ocean floor without gaps would most certainly be much higher than 2 billion usd.

    Not to mention that many countries would never let a foreign power go into their territorial waters and do detailed charting of the seafloor. Both for military reasons and because things like exact positions of wrecks are often classified because they do not want crazy divers all over the place looting.

    On the other side... I am willing to bet that both US Navy and Russian Navy are sitting on a bunch of highly classified charts of significant chunks of the ocean floor for use on their subs.

  13. Santorini by spiedrazer · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Many readers may already know this, but Atlantis has most likely already been found, as near as we humans will probably ever be able to tell anyway.

    If there was an actual place and society that inspired the fictional tale of morals and corruption spun by Plato, it was most likely the Minoan civlization on Santorini and Crete from around 1600 BC. It was an advanced (for the time) civilization wiped out (or at least dispersed forever) by the cataclismic eruption of the caldera that formed the ring structured island. This link has oner of the better discussions of the issue without all the hyperbol and passion that many 'seekers' often display.

    http://www.decadevolcano.net/santorini/atlantis.htm

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