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UK Politician Criticised For Using Hotmail
nk497 writes "The UK justice secretary Jack Straw has been criticised for using Hotmail as his official government email account after he apparently fell foul of a Nigerian spammer in a phishing attack. A security researcher said using such an account not only left the government in security trouble, but meant any emails sent could not be necessarily accessed via the Freedom of Information Act."
It was not his official government email account, it was his constituency email account.
Justice Secretary Jack Straw's email account has been hacked by internet fraudsters who sent out messages to hundreds of his contacts which claimed he was stranded in Nigeria and needed 3,000 dollars to fly home.
I would think if a government minister was really stranded somewhere in Africa, they would contact the nearest British embassy, which would surely know their whereabouts anyway, and the embassy would get them home easily. There are dangers on the internet; this is not one of them.
Since when has Jack Straw been very interested in Freedom of Information? Under his Home-secretaryship Britain has become a surveillance state.
This name alone is so creepy. Orwellian use of word "Freedom".
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I'd be interested to know how his account was broken into... particularly if he was bright enough to have a weak password and not keep it secret, or if he actually gave answers to secret questions. (I still find "secret" questions the most bizarre layer of security.)
Also, what kind of an image does a Hotmail address convey on a constituency?? Hardly sounds official and befitting a governmental website, to me at least.
This is the same Straw that rather than filing a legal challenge to the information commissionars ruling that the Iraq war documents be leaked decided to just outright make the first use ever of ministerial veto against FOIA requests.
His reasons for vetoing were, from the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7907991.stm) and I shit you not:
"Releasing the papers would do "serious damage" to cabinet government, he said, and outweighed public interest needs."
I'm not sure why he'd think it's in public interest to keep a corrupt, incompetent, totalitarian regime in power?
And:
"There is a balance to be struck between openness and maintaining aspects of our structure of democratic government,"
Sorry, I thought the whole point of democracy was that we get to decide that balance, not those in power? His decision flies in the very face of democracy.
So quite why anyone as per the summary would think Straw cares in the slightest about FOIA I don't know. He's just like Jacqui Smith and nearly all the others in the Labour party right now- a wannabe dictator who oppresses freedom of information to cling on to power.
I know sensor ship is a big issue
Ah, the Sensor Ship, that must be Jack and Jacqui's new top secret surveillance vessel!
You don't have the cognitive skills required!
Let me correct that for you:
You don't have the cognitive skills required to use the preview button!
Weaseling out of things is important to learn. It's what separates us from the animals... except the weasel."
He didn't fail the test. He's failed many others, but not this one.
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I'd pay Nigerians to *keep* Jack Straw. As would a lot of people. Thank god we can vote him out, and get in... hmmm... well...
It wasn't Straw who was conned. It was one of his constituency workers (according to the report on C4 news).
I deserved that. Â_Â Spotted it as I hit send. damn.
Who? Who is but the form following the function of what and what I am is a man in a mask.
That may be exactly why he uses it...
1. Actually, from my experience, I've seen actually intelligent people fall to such scams once greed clouds their judgment. E.g., I failed to convince an otherwise extremely intelligent woman -- and for bonus points, usually she was the one selling snake oil to gullible PHBs -- to not "invest" in a pyramid scam. She understood exponents perfectly, but there was no getting her to accept that she is not in the first ranks who'll get their payoff, and/or that there aren't enough suckers any more to fill more than the first ranks of such a scheme.
At some point wishful thinking takes over any other kind of reason. They _want_ it to be true so hard, that basically cognitive dissonance rebuilds their mental model to something where they can win.
That's how the brain works: when you have two conflicting pieces of your mental model, it has to be resolved to something internally consistent one way or the other. And it's extremely uncomfortable while not yet resolved. All animals seem to work that way. What's different in humans is that you can essentially have a piece of the model that's so important to you that it can't be displaced, so something else has to go. Basically you _can_ distort your mental model as far as needed for any kind of wishful thinking, if you wish hard enough, and being intelligent or perceptive has nothing to do with it.
Among other things, that's why once someone started on such a path, it's harder than ever to quit. Accepting "ok, I've been a dolt, the Nigerian prince doesn't exist, I'll never see that money again" means basically a loss of self-respect, so it's a big no. So something else in that mental model has to be changed to support the idea that you're smart after all, too smart to be fooled in fact, and you only make smart investments. Hence the already lost money becomes a smart investment to be continued.
If anything, having such immovable ideas about oneself makes it easier to happen. If you're too convinced that you're too smart to be fooled, that just creates the setup for defending a dumb decision against all evidence.
2. Actually it seems to me like it's a test of honesty. As the saying goes, "you can't scam an honest person." Virtually all scams, from pyramid schemes to Nigerian advance fee scams to "Soapy" Smith's soap-with-banknotes scam to everything else, have the same common denominator: the "mark" thought he's getting some undeserved money at someone else's expense.
E.g., most people actually understand a pyramid scheme and that it will run out of marks soon very well, but they think they can join in early enough to be a part of the scammers not of the losers. E.g., I doubt that anyone in the Nigerian advanced fee scam was actually planning to dutifully give the widow's/orphan's/whatever money once it's in their account. And at any rate they were willing to break some laws and do shady stuff. So even if (ad absurdum) it were just for the promised fee, it's still a wannabe crook willing to break or bend the law for money. E.g., stock tip scams work on people who think that they can move fast enough to sell when it peaks and basically be a part of the scammers instead of the victims. E.g., the dolts who bought the Eiffel Tower from Victor Lustig thought they can give a bribe to get the rights to that metal at substantial discount, i.e., that they can use corruption to scam the state. Etc.
So basically it's just a honesty test. If you can say "no, that wouldn't be right", you can't be scammed. If you go, basically, "OMG, it's a one in a lifetime occasion to scam someone out of their money" then congrats, it's your own dishonesty that pwns you.
From there, again, being too convinced that you're too smart to be scammed is just making it actually easier. Those guys who bought the Eiffel Tower too were convinced that they're too smart to be fooled, savvy, good judges of caracter, etc, and know a genuine corrupt government official when they see one. The ones who think they understand exponents or the stock market too well to possibly be wrong about anything, just use that to support and defend the decision to jump on a pyramid scam or stock tip scam respectively, once greed started to cloud their judgment. Etc.
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I was just the millionth visitor and won a free laptop!! all I had to tell them were my creditcard details
Laughter is the best medicine, except if you have a broken rib.
The trouble is, when this lot goes it's almost certain that a much worse lot will get in. Do you want to eat shit or eat shit with razorblades?
Although it's perhaps not so easy a call. Do you want evil that pretends to be good (this lot) or evil that admits it's evil (the tories)? I suppose the openness of the tories' evil does have a refreshing honesty about it. "Evil" in the sense of D&D 3.5 alignments, if no other.
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If you're very good, I'll send you that laptop just before I max out your card.
So don't report it as stolen just yet, okay? Let the insurance suckers pay for the whole thing!
the alder-critters http://www.waukeganweb.net/localgovernment.html where i live use their att and comcast emails as official POC all the time. i always thought that was weird. aside from the security angle, who am i to judge?
good lookin bunch, eh?
"You can kill the revolutionary, but you can't kill the revolution."-- Fred Hampton
When a national politician does it I can only imagine he's got something to hide.
Business is Business and at the level of mr. Straw this is even more important.
Even though I am well aware that many government institutions are only recently discovering the net as an integral part of society the various levels of government have since many years the ability to run their own mail servers, including all the extra security you'd expect.
"The likes of Facebook and WhatsApp are free to those whose privacy is of zero value."
There's a decent possibility that the Liberal Democrats will hold the balance of power this time though as whilst Conservatives will almost certainly be the majority party, they wont have a big enough majority to do whatever they want by outnumbering the other two parties put together like Labour currently does.
Of course, on evil things Labour and the Tories may end up just banding together and ignoring the Lib Dems altogether but taking ID cards for example- right now Labour can go ahead and vote for them regardless of what the opposition thinks but in the scenario described above and if it was the Tories proposing the law and Labour opposed it just as the Tories oppose ID cards then the Lib Dems could side with the opposition to overthrow it.
It's not ideal still but at least it'd be a whole lot better than now where one party can push their entire agenda regardless of what the Tories and Lib Dems put together think. Right now for the Lib Dems and Tories to defeat a Labour proposal they need to manage to get support from some of Labour as well so it only works for as long as Labour's proposal is so bad that even half their own party wont support it, but seeing as most their party do support ID cards then we're talking about something pretty damn bad!
This is why I hope people that are considering voting Lib Dem do so, not because there's any hope of them getting power, but because there is at least hope of them holding the balance of power which is a major step forward on the last couple of decades. This is going to be a really important election for people to learn to vote for the party they want rather than voting tactically to avoid the party they don't want (which inevitably ends up in the situation we have now!).
Did you even read the grandparent post, or the title of your own post? The fact that he's a cabinet minister is entirely irrelevant. What you should be criticising him for is failing to adequately protect e-mail from and to his constituents.
because I'm a woman. I'm used to being wrong ha.
Who? Who is but the form following the function of what and what I am is a man in a mask.
In summary, Jack Straw has many hats, and the email address he uses should depend on the hat he is wearing at the time.
"And which hat are you talking through now, Minister?"
This is why I hope people that are considering voting Lib Dem do so, not because there's any hope of them getting power, but because there is at least hope of them holding the balance of power which is a major step forward on the last couple of decades. This is going to be a really important election for people to learn to vote for the party they want rather than voting tactically to avoid the party they don't want (which inevitably ends up in the situation we have now!).
Agreed completely -- I think the problem occurs when a government has so much power that it effectively loses accountability, whatever the political complexion of the government, so I would see a hung parliament or a fragile majority as a good thing. Unfortunately, the polls are moving the other way at the moment, with previous LibDem voters deserting to the Tories. That makes your prediction of a hung parliament look optimistic, unfortunately.
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It's a sad fact that government based email messages have a tendency to "disappear" when the politician in question comes under internal investigation (US, I'm looking at you).
Providing a hotmail account is accessed every 30 days, I think Jack would have a much harder time "disappearing" those messages ... so in terms or transparency / auditability, maybe it's better to leave things as they are ?
Huh?
A woman on /.? That admits to being wrong?!?
My head just exploded......
"City hall" in German is "Rathaus" Kinda explains a few things......
I would see a hung parliament or a fragile majority as a good thing.
Seing Parliament Hung would be an even better outcome.......
my work here is done. ;)
Probie - single handly blowing up nerds since 1985.
Who? Who is but the form following the function of what and what I am is a man in a mask.
The guy is using Hotmail, and everything is being transmitted in plain text. Just pass a new law that installs as many sniffers as the Brits have security cams, and everyone will have access to the information!
I use irony whenever I can, but my shirts are still wrinkled...
Sir Humphrey: It is so difficult for me you see, as I am wearing two hats.
Jim: Yes, isn't that rather awkward for you.
Sir Humphrey: Not if one is in two minds.
Bernard: Or has two faces.
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In as much as a government will usually adhere to the policies of the party that forms it, yes (although not always, as in coalition or minority government).
But party issues such as campaigning and finance must remain separate from government, and should not use government resources. The register of party donations and the register of interests are, as far as I'm aware, separate from (and older than) Freedom of Information.
How about you? You are always that impolite? i was responding to the above person. You think your very smart?
According to his profile he is sometimes Interesting, Insightful, Informative, Redundant, and occasionally posts Flamebait... Just the kind of person one would hope to find here.
and I'm sure I just got an off topic...
You have the right to remain sentient. If you give up the right to remain sentient, you will be elected to public office
From TFA: "any emails sent could not be necessarily accessed via the Freedom of Information Act."
Surely that's the point!? He's a known and wanted international war criminal, the last thing he wants is for a trail of emails incriminating him any further to be accessible through FOI Act requests... I'd have thought that obvious.
This is why I hope people that are considering voting Lib Dem do so
But only in constituencies where they have a reasonable chance of overturning the incumbent. Because of our shitty electoral system, many places don't have that luxury.
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And here I always thought it was nerds that had blow up women.....
I like your sense of humour, too. :)
Is 1984 when you were born?
"City hall" in German is "Rathaus" Kinda explains a few things......
Argh. 1985...sorry.
"City hall" in German is "Rathaus" Kinda explains a few things......
yes it was. So I guess I wasn't blowing nerds up since then, got to be at least three or four before I started in this game... argh this joke is getting old! lol >_>
Who? Who is but the form following the function of what and what I am is a man in a mask.
Similar issues apply in state government. On account of Open Records Acts, state governments are wise to insist that employees (including governors) route all business e-mail through a central e-mail archive and to encourage employees to take all personal e-mail to personal accounts. --Ben
Benjamin Wright, Dallas, Texas, benjaminwright.us
Yeah, well...I'm over a decade older than you. 1974, myself. So I guess the nerds that you're blowing up are getting old, too. :)
"City hall" in German is "Rathaus" Kinda explains a few things......