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RIAA Santangelo Case 'Settled In Principle'

NewYorkCountryLawyer writes "The RIAA's long-running war against Patti Santangelo, her children, and even her children's schoolmates has been 'settled in principle,' with final settlement documents expected to be submitted by March 18th. Patti Santangelo is believed to be the first RIAA defendant to have made a motion to dismiss the RIAA's 'making available' complaint. The case first caught the attention of the Slashdot community back in 2005, when a transcript of Ms. Santangelo's first court appearance became available online. The case attracted national attention in December of 2005. According to the Associated Press report of the settlement, neither side was able to comment on the terms of the settlement."

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  1. Introduced me to Slashdot by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This was also the case that introduced me to Slashdot. One day I discovered that people on some crazy place called "Slashdot.org" were going nuts analyzing the transcript of Patti's court appearance. I couldn't understand what I was seeing. It looked like an online Talmudic debate. The people seemed a little like lawyers -- but they clearly were not lawyers -- and many of them seemed to be smarter than lawyers. So I asked a few people, and eventually found one -- my youngest son who is a techie -- who explained it to me.

    Since discovering Slashdot, my life hasn't quite been the same.

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    1. Re:Introduced me to Slashdot by areusche · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm sorry to hear that your marriage has suffered. It's been difficult finding a date personally. Hopefully I can find one of those many elusive slashdottettes that lurk around here.

    2. Re:Introduced me to Slashdot by zappepcs · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have just two things to say (basically)

      1 - I have high hopes that the RIAA settles in such a way that it damages all their other cases, and Patti is both vindicated and compensated - even if we never known what that compensation was.

      2 - I wish that there were some way for Slashdot and readers were able to label NewYorkCountryLawyer's posts as a news service rather than just another post. Yes, I realize I can go and list all his posts, but I wish there were a way to quickly do so from the front page so that all users could easily benefit from this hugely beneficial information source. Lets not forget groklaw either.

      Many of us like to assume we know something about the law here. These two people (perhaps others) have done much to keep such discussions and news both current and held in a view that does not stray very far for very long from goodness. I believe that they have done more to educate the public than anyone else and their efforts deserve some recognition here.

    3. Re:Introduced me to Slashdot by Patoski · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This was also the case that introduced me to Slashdot. One day I discovered that people on some crazy place called "Slashdot.org" were going nuts analyzing the transcript of Patti's court appearance. I couldn't understand what I was seeing. It looked like an online Talmudic debate. The people seemed a little like lawyers -- but they clearly were not lawyers -- and many of them seemed to be smarter than lawyers. So I asked a few people, and eventually found one -- my youngest son who is a techie -- who explained it to me.

      Since discovering Slashdot, my life hasn't quite been the same.

      Thanks a bunch Ray. I know a lot of people here have the same warm feeling towards you. It's a great feeling knowing that there are others out there fighting for justice.

      It's also really pleasant to see a principled and eminently competent lawyer getting some exposure. Keep up the good fight!

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    4. Re:Introduced me to Slashdot by vadim_t · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Have you by chance ever been to kuro5hin?

      These days it's cesspit, but during its best days it was a site where users published long, well thought, and often technical articles about interesting subjects, some of which had effect beyond the website. For instance, Opennic (alternative root DNS servers) got started at an article on K5. Users submitted stories, and other users offered criticism during an editing period and collectively approved or rejected the story.

      See for example a few links in the hall of fame to see what it used to be like.

      I'd really like to find another place like that, its degeneration was very unfortunate.

    5. Re:Introduced me to Slashdot by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 5, Informative

      I wish that there were some way for Slashdot and readers were able to label NewYorkCountryLawyer's posts as a news service rather than just another post. Yes, I realize I can go and list all his posts, but I wish there were a way to quickly do so from the front page so that all users could easily benefit from this hugely beneficial information source. Lets not forget groklaw either. Many of us like to assume we know something about the law here. These two people (perhaps others) have done much to keep such discussions and news both current and held in a view that does not stray very far for very long from goodness. I believe that they have done more to educate the public than anyone else and their efforts deserve some recognition here.

      Thank you very much, for your kind words, zappepcs, and especially for mentioning me in the same breath as PJ who is a real professional journalist; I am just an amateur.

      I would remind you that Groklaw's main feed is available on Slashdot as a "Slashbox"; I know because I (of course) subscribe to it.

      Also I recently figured out (I'm a little slow, sometimes, I know) how to find out the RSS Feed for my Submissions on Slashdot, so you can pop it into a feed reader, or "follow" me on Twitter. The feed is: http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=rss&content_type=rss&fhfilter=%22author%3A+NewYorkCountryLawyer%22+submission&orderdir=DESC&orderby=createtime&color=black&duration=-1&startdate=&logtoken=912032%3A%3ADbgOV9ng3HbPRRrcloMyqC

      Thanks again.

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    6. Re:Introduced me to Slashdot by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 5, Funny

      We all love you here.

      You must be new here.

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    7. Re:Introduced me to Slashdot by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Umm, you didn't specify if your life had improved or degraded.

      I didn't, did I?

      Hmmm... I guess I could argue either proposition.

      I will assume improved, afterall who wouldn't want to hang out with a bunch of nerds who all have an opinion but no credentials to fall back on.

      I, for one, welcome the opinions of my Nerd Overlords, especially those with no credentials. (Credentials, it seems to me, are an overpraised attribute. What matters is that the opinion be formed through rigorous reasoning, based on provable facts, advance human thought, and prove to be empirically infallible -- i.e., that it should be in agreement with mine.)

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    8. Re:Introduced me to Slashdot by Calydor · · Score: 2, Funny

      In Soviet Russia, Ray loves Slashdot!

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    9. Re:Introduced me to Slashdot by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What matters is that the opinion... should be in agreement with mine

      So I've noticed

      Or that it be contrary to yours, in which case it is also likely to be correct.

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    10. Re:Introduced me to Slashdot by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 4, Funny

      What matters is that the opinion... should be in agreement with mine

      So I've noticed

      Or that it be contrary to yours, in which case it is also likely to be correct.

      Ai, it buuuurrrrrns....

    11. Re:Introduced me to Slashdot by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm sorry to hear that your marriage has suffered. It's been difficult finding a date personally.

      Tell me about it. I haven't been able to find a date with anyone other than my wife for 40 years now.

      And then, when I started getting involved with Slashdot, I noticed that even my wife began finding me less attractive.

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    12. Re:Introduced me to Slashdot by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 3, Funny

      Since you discovered Slashdot, Slashdot hasn't been the same either... and I mean that in a good way. Thank you for your contributions. With you around, the signal to noise ratio is much more bearable.

      Yeah but which did I contribute, more signal, or more noise?

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    13. Re:Introduced me to Slashdot by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 2, Funny

      The world needs more lawyers like you, successfully fighting on behalf of 'the common man' against the big corporations, getting word out to the masses, and just being an all around 'fine chap'.

      OK, NYCL: He's been properly brainwashed. You may commence taking over the world now.

      Not until you come around as well. I am waiting until all pockets of resistance have been subdued.

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    14. Re:Introduced me to Slashdot by Anpheus · · Score: 4, Funny

      In case you missed the recent news, you can really impress her if you say during a prominent trial, "No, I don't need any compensation. But you could send my wife some flowers." Or mix it up, say chocolate, for example.

    15. Re:Introduced me to Slashdot by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 3, Funny

      Many years from now, when you tell your grandkids that you know what an RSS feed is, you are going to blow their minds.

      Not really. They'll probably be using some much more advanced technology, like "RCS". ("Really Complex Syndication").

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    16. Re:Introduced me to Slashdot by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If I was smarter than a lawyer, where would I be? ... in a really huge house with the bazillions of dollars I'd be making doing something even more lucrative than law practice!

      If you really believe that there is a correlation between intelligence and wealth.... then you haven't met the same people I've met in my life.

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  2. 3 stressful years by commodore64_love · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For 3 stressful years the RIAA was able to hold this citizen in fear.

    Such extortionate practices should not be allowed.

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  3. Probably a "Wash" by resistant · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Without knowing the details of the settlement, I suspect the RIAA agreed to drop the entire case, in return for silence on the subject and a non-binding secret precedent. Ms. Santangelo and her family are doubtless by now dreadfully tired of the entire mess and anxious to see it go away, and the RIAA is doubtless in a thug lawyerish way dreadfully tired of the entire mess by now and anxious to sweep it under the rug, leaving them with freedom to continue their other cases without an embarrassing public precedent.

    Of course, this leaves Ms. Santangelo and her family uncompensated for having been put through the mill, but that's the legal system for you.

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  4. Here's how to solve that. by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So when an org. with a testosterone plasma cannon has to "settle and go secret", they are probably 3/4 in the wrong and only using bully powers to silence her.

    The solution is to publish using the glorious powers of the net encrypted synergistic simultaneous codexes against every single unreleased act they have which, when joined against the innocent song lyrics of the nicely broadcast music, tells the whole story in subtitles on every retail demo tv in the world.

    Oh, Hi Echelon. You're a nice little compy. But Slashdot has prior art.

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    1. Re:Here's how to solve that. by arth1 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Just curious, was that generated by a bot using NLP?

      Would you like if that was generated by a bot using NLP?

  5. Re:I don't know this lawyer mumbo jumbo by CarpetShark · · Score: 2, Funny

    What does settled in principle mean?

    It means that no principles were involved.

  6. Time to stop RIAA's misuse of legal systems by el_jake · · Score: 2

    Time to stop RIAA corporate conglomerate racketeering. There misuse of legal systems and there use of gangster like methods has completely gone wild. It can't be accepted anymore in a democratic society. Corporations are not higher ranked entities, we citizen must act.

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    1. Re:Time to stop RIAA's misuse of legal systems by arth1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Time to stop RIAA corporate conglomerate racketeering. There misuse of legal systems and there use of gangster like methods has completely gone wild. It can't be accepted anymore in a democratic society. Corporations are not higher ranked entities, we citizen must act.

      Yes, corporations are higher ranked entities here in the land of the free.

      As long as we have a system where politicians are allowed to receive money from corporations, the politicians will, of course, pass laws favoring their campaign contributors.

      And, as long as we have a system where corporations are given all the rights of, but not all the duties of a citizen, the individual will always have to fight a pitched fight.

      One day, the average American will figure out that if he doesn't want to give power to the government because a government might not have your best interest at heart, the alternative is invariably that corporations seize the power, and corporations will never have your best interest at heart.

    2. Re:Time to stop RIAA's misuse of legal systems by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 2, Informative

      As long as we have a system where politicians are allowed to receive money from corporations, the politicians will, of course, pass laws favoring their campaign contributors. And, as long as we have a system where corporations are given all the rights of, but not all the duties of a citizen, the individual will always have to fight a pitched fight. One day, the average American will figure out that if he doesn't want to give power to the government because a government might not have your best interest at heart, the alternative is invariably that corporations seize the power, and corporations will never have your best interest at heart.

      Brilliant comment, arth_1. Hope you get modded to +5 for that insight.

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  7. Ban Confidential Settltments by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Confidential settlements should be illegal - entirely! The courts are a public institution and once you drag people into them it affects the public. The public deserves to know who won and who lost here - and in all such cases!

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  8. Re:Secret Settlements Should End by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is anybody else tired of following highly public legal cases for several years, only to have them end in secret settlements? Highly litigious entities like the RIAA have full access to their own records of how they settled past lawsuits, but their new opponents have no such information. This hardly seems fair. The outcomes of lawsuits become, in effect, laws we have to live by, and people have a right to know the law. I think there should be a threshold for lawsuits, maybe a certain amount of court time. If it takes longer, the outcome should be made public. After all, the public pays much of the actual costs of operating the court system. I think we're entitled to find out how these stories end.

    I agree. And I have no doubt that the RIAA uses its financial might to determine which settlements are confidential and which aren't. Those they want the public to see, are public. Those they want to keep confidential, are confidential. It's important information not only to the public, but also to the defendants in other cases, and lawyers representing them.

    But the thing is I can't imagine the law being changed. Our courts are overloaded. The courts need for cases to be settled. And some settlements just wouldn't happen if one or the other of the parties couldn't insist on confidentiality.

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