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Japanese "Hate" For the iPhone All a Big Mistake

MBCook writes "AppleInsider has posted a great article explaining that Wired's story about Japanese iPhone hate was completely false and has been edited at least twice. The comments in the article were recycled and taken out of context, with those interviewed blogging about the mistakes. The piece then goes on to analyze the iPhone's standing in Japan, as well as some of the major factors working for and against it. At last it points out that the Wall Street Journal tried the same myth of failure just after the phone's launch in Japan, recycled from a myth the year before, pushed by a research company with a possible anti-Apple agenda."

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  1. Everyone hates congress too by peektwice · · Score: 3, Insightful

    but they keep re-electing their congressmen. Same thing applies here.

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    1. Re:Everyone hates congress too by gravos · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Why do people persist in propagating the myth that there's cultural opposition to US products? Apple absolutely dominates the MP3 category with the iPod here, and the Macbooks sell like gangbusters. US cars don't sell well because a) they don't sell well in the US either b) half of the overseas models don't even come in RHD versions. Of course they don't sell. I won't consider an iPhone for all the reasons others have listed. Why would I intentionally saddle myself with a phone that has fewer features - ALOT fewer - than my current Softbank model? A model that's 1.5 years old now?

    2. Re:Everyone hates congress too by tjstork · · Score: 3, Informative

      Why do people persist in propagating the myth that there's cultural opposition to US products? Apple absolutely dominates the MP3 category with the iPod here, and the Macbooks sell like gangbusters.

      US cars don't sell well because a) they don't sell well in the US either b) half of the overseas models don't even come in RHD versions. Of course they don't sell.

      I won't consider an iPhone for all the reasons others have listed. Why would I intentionally saddle myself with a phone that has fewer features - ALOT fewer - than my current Softbank model? A model that's 1.5 years old now?

      Why do people persist in propagating the myth that there's cultural opposition to US products?

      Because its not a myth. By and large, it is easy to bring goods into the USA because the USA has a tradition of a generally free trading country. Do a google and see what's involved into bringing goods from the USA into Japan, and then see what's involved in vice versa. If they wanted to bring in more competition and other goods, you'd see those doors being opened. But they aren't.

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    3. Re:Everyone hates congress too by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Why would I intentionally saddle myself with a phone that has fewer features - ALOT fewer - than my current Softbank model? A model that's 1.5 years old now?

      The reason I bought it was that it had one feature that actually worked, unlike other phones -- a web browser that didn't suck. I had been waiting for that for a LONG time.

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    4. Re:Everyone hates congress too by beelsebob · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why would I intentionally saddle myself with a phone that has fewer features - ALOT fewer - than my current Softbank model? A model that's 1.5 years old now?
      Because less is often more.

      Take for example the most commonly cited complaint about the iPhone â" no MMS. Why would you want MMS? You have email. All MMS does is adds another option to the menu system and makes life more complex. Not only that but because there's no fixed standard, it more often than not sends messages that the receiving phone can't read. And finally, MMS is massively more costly to send than email.

      So there you go, you'd buy something with fewer features, because often, fewer features but well implemented is better.

    5. Re:Everyone hates congress too by commodore64_love · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Status symbols are for fools. I have no interest in "keeping up with the Joneses" or even what they think about me using some ten-year-old phone. Most of today's economic recession was caused by people boring money they didn't have to try to impress others with shiny new gadgets/homes. AKA fools.

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    6. Re:Everyone hates congress too by pohl · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Do trade barriers count as "cultural opposition", though? Political and economic opposition, sure. But cultural?

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    7. Re:Everyone hates congress too by MrMista_B · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ...except they don't.

      In case you didn't notice, a little while back, Congress went from mostly Republican, to mostly Democrat.

      I'd hardly call that 're-electing' their congressmen.

    8. Re:Everyone hates congress too by filthpickle · · Score: 3, Informative

      This is the same reson I got it. And I haven't been disappointed at all...and I just paid the bill about 2 minutes ago.

    9. Re:Everyone hates congress too by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 5, Informative

      In 2006 -- the year that Congress went from GOP to Democratic control -- there were 33 Senate races. Six Republican incumbents and no Democratic incumbents were defeated. There were three open seats. So 24 Senators out of 33 were re-elected.

      In the House, twenty-two GOP incumbents got the boot and there 34 open seats (including primary election losers); 379 out of 435 got re-elected.

      So in a particularly "revolutionary" and "tumultuous" election, 72% of Senators and 87% of Representatives were re-elected.

      I'd have to call that people "re-electing" their congressmen.

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    10. Re:Everyone hates congress too by Archimonde · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You are missing the point of what MMS is (or was) all about. It is very similar to instant/push e-mail. You can write as many text as you want, add some pictures and recipient will get the message virtually instantly, *on their mobile phone*. I can imagine that the e-mail is clearly superior if you have push system installed (exchange, mobileme, whatever) and you receive the e-mail immediately. But, if I'm not very much mistaken, large majority of mobile phones don't have push mail. I can see "smartphones" fairly frequently, but a very small fragment of those people even know about push mail, even less than those have it configured to work that way. I'm talking about Croatia here though, it probably is different from country to country.

      I'm all for using e-mail for text communication between mobile phones but telecoms don't think the same. Apart of the push mail problem, the data charges are extremely expensive (especially for teens who probably send pics more than other part of population) so you are left with sms (which is not that much expensive, user-wise), and mms for sending your pics. MMS in the beginning was very expensive but they did lower the price a bit, but my observation is that it is seldom used.

      My point is that the MMS is the push mail for the majority of people with non-push mail mobile phones. It is a bit arrogant in a way not to include it in the default sms iphone app. Other mobile phones handle mms pretty much as the sms with attachments. That means you don't need to have special mms apps nor additional interface bloat. I personally don't miss mms much on my iphone, but I do hate it when somebody asks "have you seen the $cool_picture, I've sent you 10 minutes ago?".

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    11. Re:Everyone hates congress too by taskiss · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Look, if you don't know how to use Google, then, I really don't need to rationalize anything for you, do I?"

      tjstork, the person making the claims is the one needing to substantiate those claims, not the one challenging them.

      You were wrong when you identified a trade barrier as a cultural one, now you're trying to avoid responsibility for making unsubstantiated assertions.

      As of this moment, you've shown no basis for your opinion. Someone telling you "Put up or shut up" would be entirely justified in doing so.

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    12. Re:Everyone hates congress too by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Because it's not a myth."

      And how ma' brotha! Someday I hope there will be McDonald's restaurants all over the world, that Marlboro cigarettes will be prized by overseas citizens, and that Levi's will be a world reknowned brand, but until then, we just have to accept the truth and stop thinking it is a myth!

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    13. Re:Everyone hates congress too by seventhevening · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I have been there. I never saw any cultural opposition at all. The iPod was popular there, mcdonalds is pretty popular (and has some cool exclusive menu items), several english books were recently translated into Japanese and were very popular. Hollywood movies can perform well in Japanese box office. MLB seems to be more popular there than here. I think really the Japanese applaud things that are new or that fit the attributes they want. Where it comes from isn't that important. We just like playing a xenophobe card everytime the iPhone doesn't do well because it lacks features the Japanese want, or when the Xbox and 360 sell poorly because it lacks the kinds of titles the Japanese like best. It strikes me as extremely arrogant to complain that the only reason a product designed by the mighty Americans isn't selling MUST be because of xenophobia and couldn't be because they just don't WANT it.

    14. Re:Everyone hates congress too by Darkness404 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Because the number of phones that can receive emails is roughly the same as the number of phones that can receive MMS,

      Errr... No. While a lot of phones can use e-mail, few can use push e-mail like the iPhone and BlackBerry. In fact, taking out the iPhone, BlackBerry and some other smartphones (Android, Windows Mobile, Symbian), the list is very short. Compare that to where every phone made in the last ~5 years can get MMS messages, from low-end freebies to the latest in technology (obviously excluding the iPhone).

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    15. Re:Everyone hates congress too by Veggiesama · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Status symbols are for fools. I have no interest in "keeping up with the Joneses" or even what they think about me using some ten-year-old phone. Most of today's economic recession was caused by people boring money they didn't have to try to impress others with shiny new gadgets/homes. AKA fools.

      Correction: most of today's economic recession was caused by profit-driven lenders allowing people to borrow money and purchase homes that were beyond their means.

      You can't fault people for taking a good opportunity when they see it (stupid people or not), but you CAN fault snake oil salesmen for knowingly pushing shitty products onto stupid people for short-term gain.

      I don't mind fools as much as I mind people taking advantage of fools.

    16. Re:Everyone hates congress too by Scrameustache · · Score: 2, Informative

      By and large, it is easy to bring goods into the USA because the USA has a tradition of a generally free trading country.

      [Citation needed]

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    17. Re:Everyone hates congress too by earthbound+kid · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, but the Japanese web is mostly designed for use with crappy cellphone browsers, so it already sucks. Because their phone company charged by the minute, no one used dial up internet back in the day, but their cellphones were really good, so everyone used cellphones. So, their web has always had the assumption that your browser sucks built in.

  2. An aside on the death of print media. by yotto · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Oh woe is me! How will we ever survive if all print media dies from the internet? Where will we get our hard-hitting, guaranteed-factual news from then? /Yes, I know Wired isn't a newspaper.

  3. Either way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Who gives a fuck? Japan hates the iPhone, Japan doesn't hate the iPhone; it's a god-damned fucking piece of electronics, not an economic programme or school of politico-philosophical thought. Is it really so important for your sense of self-satisfaction that people you'll never meet in a country you never go to buy the same plastic shit as you do? Fucking Christ, what a sorry species.

    1. Re:Either way... by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It is instinctive that people want to feel that they are making the right decisions. So when other people act similarly they receive validation that their choices are correct, even in minor lifestyle choices like buying Apple products.

      So when a whole country (well, not really) rejects a lifestyle choice that an iPhone user made, it makes them uncomfortable and they try to find reasons why their choice is different from the foreign norm. In this case, either they try to invalidate the data (which is hard to do) or they try to explain away the problem by diminishing the importance of the data.

      It is just a phone, but for many people it is also an expression of their personality. They don't want to be diminished, so they seek out those who are like-minded. This is the same type of behavior that can be seen at comic book conventions, furry conventions, and Star Trek conventions. Those of us who have no horse in this race should probably just stay as far away from the commotion as possible.

    2. Re:Either way... by mdwh2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I agree, exactly - trying to claim that Japan "hates" the Iphone is buying into the pro-Apple Iphone hype just as much. As you say, it suggests that people in the US are offended that the Iphone isn't the best selling phone elsewhere (if it is even in the US - that seems to be another myth based on hype), and it implies that even for people who don't like it, they view it as a special case, in the same way that people "hate" Windows. People might hate Windows because it's the dominant platform, but it's laughable to suggest that the Iphone is anywhere near comparable (if the article was about the Ipod, sure, that would make sense.)

      The reality is that lots of people, especially outside of the US, just don't care about the Iphone, just as they don't care about most other arbtirary models of phone. ("But, but, it I can browse the web, and look at maps!" I hear someone cry - yes, just like every other phone that's been around for years.)

      And now we have this joke of an article trying to spin the so-called Apple "hate" as being some kind of agenda. Um, as opposed to the pro-Apple stance that most of the rest of the media take (e.g., the way we get an article about the Iphone everytime it does something that isn't anything special - consider the joke of an article yesterday, Use Your iPhone To Get Out of a Ticket)?

      It a nice refreshing change to see an article pointing out that not everyone is mad about the Iphone, and that phones in other countries have had the hyped features for years. Sorry, that's a fact - no amount of whinging that this is an "anti-Apple agenda" will change that fact.

    3. Re:Either way... by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Who gives a fuck? Japan hates the iPhone, Japan doesn't hate the iPhone;

      I don't think that is the story here. I think the story is that the longer Fox owns the Wall Street Journal, the last we can trust their articles to not be utter fabrications or intentionally misleading. The real question to ask is what caused this particular bias.

  4. I'm glad to hear you are feeling better by hackstraw · · Score: 3, Funny

    and that you have set the people in Japan and Wired straight.

    Keep up the good work Steve, and take care of yourself.

    -hackstraw

  5. Re:Apple Damage Control by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 2, Informative

    Read the first blog response link.

    Essentially, the guy says he was taken out of context, but if you read the note he fired off to correct the error, he also goes on to explain that the iPhone is simply not selling well in Japan. He claims this is Softbank's marketing problem, but it points to a larger problem that the demand for the product has already been filled in the first few months after release.

    Those who want it have it. Everyone else is indifferent.

  6. Wired Blatant Errors by olafva · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This shows just how shoddy WIRED stories are fabricated and sensationalized. I can't help but take that into account in reading future WIRED stories. WIRED credibility is seriously called into question by such blatant errors which articles source denies.

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  8. comparing prices of xPhone apps by v1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    $344 of actual examples of popular Windows Mobile apps included on the iPhone:
    -Dashboard: WorldMate Pro $75 "world clocks and weather forecasts, flight and travel information"
    -real email client: Pocket Informant $25 "replacement for Pocket Outlook on the Pocket PC"
    -real web browser: none seem to exist.
    -real contacts: Photo Contacts PRO $30
    -Photo browser: Imageer $15
    -iPod: Pocket Player MP3 player $20
    -Movies: Pocket DVD studio $30
    -TV: HandiTV $20 "watch TV from mobile devices"
    -Dial up networking: PDANet $34 "use your mobile as a modem!"
    -Calculator: Revolutionary Calculator $30
    -Touch screen type input: Full Screen Keyboard $10
    -PDF: PDF Reader $25
    -Notes: List Pro $30 âoeManage your notesâ

    Wow... I had no idea windows mobile apps were so expensive! I just got a touch recently and have about 20 apps installed on it, all but three of which were free. The three I bought were $0.99, $1.99, and $2.99. The most expensive app I saw while browsing was an incredible VNC client that does everything plus makes breakfast, for $24.99. over 1/2 the apps in the above list are more expensive than that.

    Does MS get some insane cut on the apps or what? Why are they so incredibly more expensive?

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  9. I have to ask by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Who cares? Not who cares that Wired fucked up, but who cares if the Japanese do or don't like the iPhone? I mean Apple cares, because they want to sell as many as possible, but why does the average person care?

    It seems to me like there is some misguided ideal in the US of an extremely tech savvy Japan. That the Japanese are far advanced technology wise, and if they don't like something, well it must be no good. Well, not really. Japan simply has a different set of tech priorities than the US. Huge surprise there, it's a different culture, and a different environment.

    Well what this means is that if something succeeds or fails in Japan simply means that it is something the Japanese do or don't like/find useful. That has no bearing at all on how good of a product it is. Something very well may bomb in Japan and do well in the US, or fail in the US and have huge sales in Japan. Sometimes it is just because of different needs. High end headphones are more common in Japan because of the small living spaces. For the same reason, full sized speakers are not. If you live in a 200sq ft apartment, it matters that your sound gear doesn't take up too much space. If you live in a 2000sq ft house, it really isn't a concern.

    Personally, I don't give a shit what the Japanese do or don't like. Doesn't affect me at all. They can do as they please, and I'll do as I please. If I look at a cellphone I am going to get it based on if it does what I want, not how popular it is, and certainly not how popular it is in a country I don't live in.

    So regardless of the truth of Wired's story, who cares? Get the iPhone because you like it (or don't because you don't), not because it gets the approval of anyone else.

    1. Re:I have to ask by ukyoCE · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Agreed. I went to Japan expecting it to be time travel. They would be flying around in cars miles above the city, teleporting from place to place, and tentacles would be all over the place just like deer or squirrels in the US.

      The WIRED article intentionally promotes this false view of japan. In reality, I didn't find anything in Japan we don't have in the US. A few niche items (like the R4 card for the DS) are easier to find in Tokyo than in the suburbs of the US. But it would be just as easy to find in a major city like New York or Chicago.

      So of course the article is claiming the iPhone is hated in japan (false) and the reason is because they have such great amazing phones (false) that Americans won't see for a decade.

      If the second premise were true, I could see that being reason for US consumers to care about the Wired article. Why buy an iphone if some crazy awesome japanese phone will be arriving in a couple months?

      Fortunately for Apple, that isn't the case. I didn't think Wired was this trashy, especially reading about the dishonest quotes that were preserved (in some form) despite the complaints.

  10. They don't hate it. by girlintraining · · Score: 2, Informative

    But they don't use it either. Here's the facts: The phone market for Japan is the tightest in the world. Frankly, the phones sold there are generations ahead of what's sold elsewhere in the world. These phones do video teleconferencing, can be used to do wireless credit card transactions, digital TV, some of them can be used as train/bus passes, and even interface with vending machines (just point and click, and viola). The "iphone" frankly has a poor feature set, and oh yes -- it is not a flip phone. The japanese love their flip phones from everything I've read. But as I'm sure there's someone who actually lives in japan around on the forums, please post back and tell us what the real story is... I only talk to people online.

    So no, Japan doesn't hate the iphone, there is no conspiracy, Apple is simply behind the times in that country. But hey, if it makes you feel any better -- I doubt Comcast is making any inroads there either. ;)

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    1. Re:They don't hate it. by Garse+Janacek · · Score: 4, Informative

      ...from everything I've read...

      ...which apparently didn't include TFA. Wired fabricated a quote about how the iPhone is lame compared to Japanese phones, and tried to attach it to two separate Japanese "authorities" on the subject, and both of those people then repudiated Wired's attribution and said that actually the iPhone is their favorite phone. The whole point of the article is that the iPhone is doing fairly well and people like it a lot over there -- the main thing holding it back is its carrier, which is sort of an underdog. And it turns out the iPhone is primarily responsible for major growth in that carrier anyway.

      So, you're basically repeating the same myths that the entire article was written to refute, since the article explicitly responds to most of your points... but by referring to "everything you've read", you still got modded informative. Oh well...

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    2. Re:They don't hate it. by mdwh2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I entirely agree - and similar is true for Europe.

      I would argue that trying to claim they "hate" the Iphone is still pro-Apple hate in a way - "If they're not buying the Iphone, it couldn't possibly be that they're happier using existing phones that have already been doing what the Iphone does, and more - no, it must be because they have an irrational hate for it", rationalises the Iphone fan.

      And then, for bonus points, we can follow up with an article whining that this is part of some "pro-Apple agenda" - which is indeed, just what's happened.

  11. WIRED credibility? by hwyhobo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    WIRED credibility is seriously called into question by such blatant errors which articles source denies.

    WIRED credibility? I don't want to be disrespectful, but do people take WIRED seriously as a news source? I always thought it was just hundreds of pages of ads with a few fillers here and there masquerading as articles.

    To be sure, they didn't invent it, they were just particularly blatant about it. PC Magazine & others have done it before, but at least they tried the "comparo"-style fillers to attract readers and create a pretense of content. WIRED never bothered to go to such lengths. To quote WIRED is a bit like using one of those supermarket stand recycled-paper car trader brochures as a source of auto industry news.

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  12. IMO by thexile · · Score: 2, Informative

    The rebuke comes from AppleInsider. How partial can it be?

    1. Re:IMO by Garse+Janacek · · Score: 5, Informative

      The rebuke comes from AppleInsider. How partial can it be?

      Good point. If only it cited its sources, thus allowing some way for its claims to be verified.

      Come on now. This story is about blatant journalistic fraud. They give explicit documentation on how Wired completely fabricated important facts in order to make a sensational-sounding story. If their claim was "The iPhone is the best thing evar and EVERYONE LOVES IT", you'd have a point, but the article is mostly about how Wired repeatedly lied in its article, and then they present data to basically argue "the iPhone is doing pretty okay in Japan". They aren't making particularly inflated claims...

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  13. #1 Music App by sabernar · · Score: 5, Informative

    My partners and I had the #1 Music app in Japan for several weeks last month (Boombox - http://tiny.cc/Lrd5g), so they are definitely interested in the iPhone. Just because they don't buy the phone in the same numbers as in the US doesn't mean they hate it. It seems like it's doing fairly well over there.

  14. Idiot Alert by mdwh2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm more concerned that someone is so petty as to trawl someone's posting history, just to make an ad hominem attack based on something that is completely irrelevant to the original post.

    You fail basic reading comprehension anyway, since he was talking about health taxes, not insurance. He was talking about getting his money's worth from his taxes that he has to pay anyway - if Iphones were, heaven forbid, ever handed out to people, funded for taxation, then you can bet that he, and I, would be picking up our Iphones, since we paid for them anyway. Not to mention that his post was clearly not meant to be serious.

    Here, however, keeping up with the Jones means throwing away money. If you can't see the difference between throwing money away, and taking what you've had to pay for anyway, no wonder you're happy to spend money on Iphones just to be cool.

    A shame you aren't willing to be honest about your posting history, Anonymous Coward - what hypocrisy are you hiding?

  15. The myth of Japan being 10 years ahead by zerojoker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I am sorry, but this is not true anymore. Or rather, it depends on how you define "ahead".
    Japanese cell-phones are all about the "bling".
    Take my phone for example, which looks great on the feature-list: 3 MP Camera, Japanese-English dictionary, Web-browser etc. etc.
    Thing is, that most of the features are so hard to use, that noone ever uses them.
    The Web-browser is a joke. It works in theory, in practice it completely fails at every second web-page.
    Sure, you can view i-mode pages (which is quite a big thing in Japan) but in the "western"-world everyone is interested in the "real"-web.
    There is basically no function to synch the calendar/mails with the PC. No software as far as I know (docomo). Nobody synchs his cellphone with the PC, that's why.
    There is no bluetooth, even among the latest models, so, how to connect to your PC, i.e. for sharing mp3/pictures etc.?
    It's so hard to enter a word in the dictionary (you have to go through 4 or 5 layers of menus), that you're faster looking it up in a paper-dictionary.
    Japanese people use their phone for three things: Phone, e-mail/messaging and surfing i-mode.
    That's it. In 2000, that was maybe 10 years ahead. Nowadays it's a joke.
    btw, you know what was the comment of my gf, when I said that I would like to have a phone with a full qwerty-keyboard, complaining that, at that time, no phone was available?
    Who would've want that anyway? It's too bulky, it looks ugly!
    It's all about the bling (TM). If the iPhone sells reasonable it's not because of the revolutionary way of actually being able to use the features. It sells because it from Apple and considered "cool" and "western". Brand recognition, like Starbucks.

    1. Re:The myth of Japan being 10 years ahead by filthpickle · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's all about the bling (TM)

      I think that the forums here have conclusively proven that only Americans could be so crass. Are you suggesting that acting that way is just part of the human condition for some people? A bold statement sir.

    2. Re:The myth of Japan being 10 years ahead by Scrameustache · · Score: 4, Insightful

      the features are so hard to use, that noone ever uses them.

      And that's why Apple gets away with higher prices for similar devices: Their interfaces are polished and shiny and functional.

      There were MP3 players before the iPod, but none that worked so elegantly.

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    3. Re:The myth of Japan being 10 years ahead by earthbound+kid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      btw, you know what was the comment of my gf, when I said that I would like to have a phone with a full qwerty-keyboard, complaining that, at that time, no phone was available?

      The Japanese I know prefer cellphone-style input for Japanese to qwerty. The Japanese alphabet just so happens to split up logically into ten groups, so it makes a lot of sense to use a number pad to type them. Combined with predictive text, it's pretty quick. On the other hand, the layout of the qwerty keyboard is basically random. So, the Japanese aren't really interested in using micro keyboards when a number pad works well enough and doesn't hurt your thumbs.

  16. Now we can look back at the comments... by Karganeth · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...And laugh at all the idiots who thought it was "obvious" the iPhone was doomed to be a failure in Japan.

  17. Why Americans Hate the P905i by carlzum · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The Japanese phone of choice, the Panasonic P905i, would be a tough sell in the US. Sure, a big screen and TV tuner are nice features, but it's big and ugly. Americans spend their time in their cars and homes, surrounded by televisions. A handheld TV may be useful in Japan, but I doubt many people in the US would waste their time uploading videos to their phone. The iPhone has a thin case, simple interface, and applications Americans want on the go (email, web, youtube, etc). Surprise, people in Japan and the US have different preferences.

  18. No, bigot, Japanese houses suck. by tjstork · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'd take a Japanese-built house over an American-built one any day.

    See, there is a cultural bias! That would prove my point. I mean, American houses are built larger, last longer, have central heat and central air, larger bathrooms, working bathtubs, often have fireplaces, features which Japanese houses tend to lack, and you want the Japanese house, because you are a bigot. Like I said, there is a cultural bias there and that's why we can't have free trade.

    But you need to read on:

    http://www.debito.org/?p=2111

    In Japan houses are built to last 30 years, at most, and have generally no resale value. They are more consumer items, like cars are in the USA.

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    1. Re:No, bigot, Japanese houses suck. by multimediavt · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Wow, it's just bigot-on-bigot action here! As a trained architect I can tell you that all of the size and amenity differences you pointed out as being better in American homes are all based in Western cultural norms. The data you used for housing longevity differences is also incorrect. In the U.S. homes are built to last 30 to 40 years (the average lifetime of a roof in a temperate climate).

      You're just batting a thousand on this topic tjstork. I think it would be best for you to stop typing now.

    2. Re:No, bigot, Japanese houses suck. by Ilpalazzo · · Score: 2, Funny

      But Japanese construction workers build things very fast. If they can rebuild Tokyo after Godzilla destroys half of it by the time I put the next disc in; rebuilding a house should be easy.

  19. Re:He's correct by Dogtanian · · Score: 2, Informative

    He's speaking commonly known in economic circles truth, YOU go do some research and keep up with things if you call bullshit.

    No, the person who originally made the claims is the one responsible for backing them up. Period.

    If it's as obvious as you claim, it should hardly be onerous to do so.

    Not saying I necessarily disagree with you or the OP, but you're mistaken in who the burden of proof lies with.

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  20. They love iPhones here in Japan! by Oyume · · Score: 4, Informative

    I live in Japan and have been here for just over 9 years. And just about everyone I know (Japanese and foreigners alike) either have an iPhone or are dying to get one. Yours truly included.

  21. It's not about free trade by Swift2001 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's about some guy who had an obvious anti-Apple agenda. Don't like Apple products? It's a free country. But this article was twisted unfairly to make the facts fit the conclusion. That's unacceptable to tech journalism, if it actually exists. If there's a story about the iPhone's acceptance or lack of acceptance in Japan, then tell us the facts.
    It's getting so bad that even Wired is as useless as Fox or CNN to the provision of information. Enough yellow journalism, whether its source is the Hearst papers of yore or the hip Wired. Stop throwing sand in our eyes, you bastards.