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White House Ditches YouTube

An anonymous reader writes to tell us that in an apparent response to privacy complaints, the White House has quietly moved off of YouTube as a method for serving the President's weekly video address. Choosing instead to use a Flash-based solution and Akamai's content delivery network, this comes just days after YouTube began to roll out their own new policies regarding privacy of visitors.

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  1. Wise choice by G3ckoG33k · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wise choice.

    I never understood why they would choose YouTube over other Internet "channels". It is not exactly a "neutral choice".

    If the president would like to speak to the American people, why not choose something not affiliated with any company.

    But, as a non-American, what do I know.

    1. Re:Wise choice by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is a response to a legitimate privacy concern.

      Saying, "The government should be forced to re-invent the wheel instead of using a popular free service" is silly. YouTube is perfectly acceptable in most respects.

      If they had stayed with YouTube, despite privacy concerns, that would have been bad. But there is nothing wrong with starting out using a popular free site.

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    2. Re:Wise choice by Chabo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Call me cynical, but Obama chose YouTube because it's "what young people use". That was his campaign's primary target demographic, so it's what he used. I doubt it had anything to do directly with Google's ownership of the site, but who knows.

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    3. Re:Wise choice by PetriBORG · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Maybe so, but do if you are hoping to get young people - people who wouldn't otherwise notice you - to notice you, then maybe you would post it to some place they go right? I'm wondering why they can't just post them to multiple places - now that seems a more reasonable question to me.

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    4. Re:Wise choice by Idiomatick · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Saving them possible thousands of dollars! While alienating the world outside the US even further. Brilliant.

    5. Re:Wise choice by White+Flame · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not affiliated with any company? Your only choices are pay to self-host (and that means affiliating with a hosting provider), or go P2P.

      Remember, Akamai is a company, too.

    6. Re:Wise choice by Hatta · · Score: 4, Informative

      It still depends on Flash as well.

      If you actually visit the site you'll see an HTTP link to an MP4 of the video. So they did this right.

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    7. Re:Wise choice by Chabo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well, I'm not sure if there's some crazy DNS/softlinking stuff going on that the bandwidth isn't being taken from whitehouse.gov, but it looks like the technology is being provided by Vimeo, whoever they are.

      And if you want to download the video, it's in .mp4 format, with AVC1 and AAC-LC codecs. Personally I'd rather see H.264/Vorbis .MKVs, but...

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    8. Re:Wise choice by Deag · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The BBC streams some things - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/also_in_the_news/7919495.stm

      I also think there is a big difference between a television station broadcasting something and what amounts to a press release.

    9. Re:Wise choice by techno-vampire · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Your only choices are pay to self-host (and that means affiliating with a hosting provider)

      In case you forgot, this is the US Federal Government we're talking about here. It has ample bandwidth and as much access to the Internet Backbone as it needs. All they need to do is dedicate some servers in some government datacenter to this and Bjorn Stronginthearm's your uncle!

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    10. Re:Wise choice by Chabo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Oh yes, and I'd also like to see a .torrent on the site, but I know that'll never happen.

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    11. Re:Wise choice by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wise choice.

      I never understood why they would choose YouTube over other Internet "channels". It is not exactly a "neutral choice".

      If the president would like to speak to the American people, why not choose something not affiliated with any company.

      But, as a non-American, what do I know.

      Because youtube's a trendy, high-traffic site with a lot of hip factor and buzz?

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    12. Re:Wise choice by Dayze!Confused · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ...I just hope they block overseas views so our taxes don't pay for that bandwidth. Just like the the BBC does with it's feeds.

      I am an American citizen but I live overseas, I wouldn't like having it blocked, I try to stay up to date on things happening in the US and I still have to pay US taxes on all of my income.

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    13. Re:Wise choice by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I tend to agree. The thing is that the government doesn't pay for the broadcast of the press release.
      I would have no problem with the BBC streaming the addresses themselves. Or CBS, NBC, Hulu, PBS, NPR, or any other news service.
      Just for the US me as a tax payer to pay for it. As I said at the start I so don't have a problem with it being on YouTube at all. But this will probably end up costing millions all over a cookie.

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    14. Re:Wise choice by vux984 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Saying, "The government should be forced to re-invent the wheel

      They dont have to re-invent the wheel. They merely have to buy a copy of the wheel.

      instead of using a popular free service" is silly. YouTube is perfectly acceptable in most respects.

      Youtube isn't "free" in any sense except that the video watchers don't have to pay money directly to google.

      The government should be providing access to its video content for "free" in a much broader sense. We are paying for through our taxes after all. We shouldn't be subject to corporate sponsorship, corporate data-mining/tracking etc.

      If the government wants to release copies to youtube, fox news, hulu, netflix, xbox live, and whatever else that's fine, but they should also be hosting and providing copies themselves, directly and freely.

    15. Re:Wise choice by fm6 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I never understood why they would choose YouTube over other Internet "channels". It is not exactly a "neutral choice".

      Because the White House (from Mr. I-Want-My-Blackberry on down) is now staffed by your basic Web 2.0 geeks who are used to doing everything with certain widely used platforms: YouTube, FaceBook, Blackberry, etc. They're having a hard time adapting to life in a big organization with an established federal IT infrastructure that doesn't know how to support their Macs, is suspicious of any application that hasn't been vetted by their bureaucracy, and is more about security than about communication. It's why whitehouse.gov is still such a mess: the people who are running it are just now learning that there's more to creating a government web site than opening a Blogster account.

      I think this Clash of Civilizations, snafus and all, is actually a healthy thing. It will force Obama's tech geeks to think things through and understand the real-world perils of the technology they love so much. And it will force the IT people to adapt the federal infrastructure to a world where online communication has become a central way of getting things done.

    16. Re:Wise choice by Macrat · · Score: 3, Funny

      1. It is a youtube link. Who doesn't go to youtube?

      I guess you've never been to xHamster.

    17. Re:Wise choice by Dunbal · · Score: 4, Funny

      But this will probably end up costing millions all over a cookie.

            And it's not even chocolate chip.

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    18. Re:Wise choice by vux984 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Oh wait. They don't. I hate corporations as much as the next guy, but to fear corporations is silly. Their ads are very easily ignored, and their products too. I've watched Obama on youtube, and it was no big deal. I don't have to hide in fear.

      Strawman argument. This has nothing to do with fear.

      Its the principle of the thing. As a free society we should have the right and ability to directly access our government records from our government, without being subject to interference or terms of any sort whatsoever by 3rd party companies, no matter how benign the terms or how popular their website is.

      If the government wants to outsource hosting to another company that's fine, but then its still on our terms of service. To submit to -their- terms is absurd. Eventually that will bite you in the ass.

      Whether its because google becomes capital-E evil, or it simply goes bankrupt, the government shouldn't rely on a 'free service' for the retention and public distribution of its records.

      As I said, I have no problem with the video being available on google, but if I don't want to patronize youtube to view my governments records/correspondance/etc I shouldn't have to.

      Its essentially the same argument for why governments should use open formats for documents.

    19. Re:Wise choice by Dunbal · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I just hope they block overseas views so our taxes don't pay for that bandwidth.

            Can they block all the garbage coming out of Hollywood too, please?

            All that the US is very good at exporting nowadays is debt, anyway.

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    20. Re:Wise choice by rickb928 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, we didn't have to pay for the broadcast of the radio address at all; there are many outlets that carry it, even on TV.

      Now, if you want it available on-demand, when you want it, that will cost you. Either in tax dollars, so we can accomodate an on-demand generation, or in privacy when you let them use something commercial and sponsored by ads.

      I vote for the tax dollars. My privacy is valuable. The Administration got this one right.

      YouTube, Facebook, MySpace, et al are not free, not even as in beer. They cost more than we dare think. Like when your credentials get cracked and you have to change passwords all over...

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    21. Re:Wise choice by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 3, Informative

      While the BBC may do that the UK government does not. The difference, imo, is that the UK (and US) government get money from their tax payers who live around the world. The BBC does not. Its money only comes from UK tax payers so there is little room to justify letting everyone watch the content. Where as I'm an American and I live overseas. I still file my taxes so yes I have just as much right to watch the video. In fact I also got a stimulus check despite the fact there was little to no chance I'd spend it on the US economy. But I am still an American and tax payer so I get the same rights.

    22. Re:Wise choice by recharged95 · · Score: 4, Funny
      Think outside the box,

      Gov't is good at exploitation:

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      1. Use youtube to aggregate and host videos initially. Exploit Youtube's excellent distribution model for short term content.

      2. After a month, back them up on your own storage server (i.e. US library of Congress). Exploit your excellent archival infrastructure. Convert from flash to something like Mpeg-4 too. That will built up the LoC's site and pump more cash/need/better use cases into it.

      3. profit! well maybe not as gov't is not suppose to profit remember!

      .

      .

      . Done and thank you too.

    23. Re:Wise choice by easyTree · · Score: 5, Funny

      Perhaps you've not heard, p2p is illegal, even if the content holder uploads the torrent themselves...

    24. Re:Wise choice by Celarnor · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's your choice, then, isn't it?

      Of course it is. I'm not complaining about it.

      I was merely answering the question; the parent to my original post said 'Who doesn't go to Youtube'? Being one such person, I replied, with the said reason I don't use it.

      I don't think that he understands that if you want something on demand in this way, you're going to pay for it; either you're going to pay for the hosting yourself and ensure that no data gets kept or anything like that, or you pay the cost in the users privacy, farming them out as eyes for advertisers and data for demographic mining.

      I'd rather spend money and retain my privacy. My privacy is more valuable than I can put a dollar amount on.

    25. Re:Wise choice by FlyingBishop · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Whoosh...

    26. Re:Wise choice by FishWithAHammer · · Score: 2, Informative

      When Ogg Theora stops sucking, they can entertain the idea of using it.

      (I'm sure a mod's already going for "Troll", but keep in mind that Theora really does suck, on many technical levels. Start with being about half as efficient as H.264 and move on from there. It's bad. Vorbis, on the other hand, is quite nice.)

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    27. Re:Wise choice by fczuardi · · Score: 5, Informative

      Nice so it can be re posted on YouTube with little effort. Still think using a free service that everybody and their dog uses makes a lot more sense than paying for it.

      Yes it Can... be reposted to Youtube or Vimeo, or Archive.org or Blip.tv or even your preferred P2P network, you can even host it yourself because as far as I know this videos are all public domain.

      But you don't need to re-post them to Youtube and Vimeo at least, because whitehouse folks already do that for you:

      They only stopped embedding youtube videos on the whitehouse gov site (maybe to stop advertising google's service for free on a tax-payer funded website, although the link to Vimeo is still there), but they are still publishing copies of the weekly videos on youtube and other free services that everybody and their dog uses...

    28. Re:Wise choice by plnix0 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If the president would like to speak to the American people, why not choose something not affiliated with any company.

      You mean... like Akamai?

  2. What's the Secret Service's problem! by Samschnooks · · Score: 5, Funny

    That is, the site would be free to keep logs on the videos viewed by visitors to its own site as well as those embedded on blogs, but it would opt to immediately forget all identifying information associated with requests from government sites.

    First I watched some hairy milf porn, then some stuff on how ot win on "Call of Duty", then I watched some heavy metal and cop killing rap music videos, a Joel Osteen sermon, then I watched this guy with an Uzi with a silencer knock off a bunch of targets (way cool!), and then I watched Obama's weekly address.

    A few hours later, this black helicopter lands in my front yard and a bunch of guys kick my door down! I mean, WTF!?!

  3. <video> by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 2, Funny

    Flash? When HTML 5 is done they can use the tag.

  4. Odd... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Choosing instead to use a Flash-based solution"

    Last time I checked, YouTube uses flash as well.

  5. Re: by Captain+Spam · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yes, but they want something they can use for THIS presidential term.

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  6. Re:Distribute a File? by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 4, Informative

    They include an MP4 and text so you don't even need a video player to know what was said.

  7. Re:Wise choice ... JUST GREAT! by davidsyes · · Score: 2, Informative

    Oh, OK, sweet. MP4 and other options ARE available...

    Stupid me. THIS is why slashdotters should RTFA, FIRST, heheheh....

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  8. Re:Good decision by pembo13 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What can Google do that the US government can't do?

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  9. Re:So, maybe I'm missing something here... by Ironica · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If a video of someone's preschooler summarizing Star Wars requires a tracking cookie to access, well, if you want to stay completely private, you just go without the video.

    If the President of the United States is using a service as an official distribution channel, though, it's not enough to say "If you don't like the policy, don't view the content." The President's official communication is, in essence, something that the American People have a *right* to view, and not to be tracked while doing it.

    Let's just get a little 1984 here: What if it became, somehow, "right" to always watch the President's videos? Or wrong? And so, with the law behind them, the government subpoenaed those tracking cookie results, and determined who was being a good/bad little boy/girl?

    Or more mundane: say someone works for Google, and has some access to that data. And has political differences from his/her spouse... so they look up the home IP in the tracking database for the President's videos. Domestic squabbles ensue because someone's listening to "that one" when they're not "supposed" to be.

    Participation in the political process is both voluntary and an entitlement for most Americans between 18 and death. Tracking any part of that participation has the potential for abuse, and could have a chilling effect.

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  10. Akamai, Google and privacy by OldakQuill · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Akamai is an odd choice of platform if The White House is concerned about privacy. Akamai serve about 20% of the world's Internet traffic and function as a "content delivery platform" for many big-name websites. Most of the work they do is in caching images and interactive media, as well as serving ads for many websites to improve loading speed. They are like Google in many ways, in that they have a massively distributed server network that spans 70 countries and are ingrained in many peoples' browsing experience.

    One of the things they are best known for is Internet usage statistics. They provide good indicators of general Internet use and use of specific services.

    Also like Google, they track users using various means, and use the details to profit. Most importantly, they use this information for advert targeting.

    There are two dissimilarities between Google and Akamai (ignoring the obvious dissimilarity of the two companies' models): Akamai have spent most of their life trying to find ways to make a profit and Akamai receive a lot less public scrutiny because their services are transparent to the end-user.

    If YouTube was abandoned due to Google's privacy practices, privacy advocates should be as concerned about the privacy practices of Akamai. Indeed, the extent to which Akamai tracks users needs to be investigated and exposed for the sake of public scrutiny.