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The Best Way Through the Great Firewall of China

eldavojohn writes "The MIT Technology Review brings news of a new report from Harvard assessing circumvention software. The best tools they tested (and they actually did test them in cybercafes in China) were Ultrareach, Psiphon, and Tor, while Dynaweb and Anonymizer also scored well — of course, the huge downside is the long loading times. The report also includes responses from developers of the tools."

118 comments

  1. Out of Date by Ragein · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is worth noting that the report was released in 07 and "Some of the data is now out of date"

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    1. Re:Out of Date by tritonman · · Score: 2, Informative

      Also, one of the "downsides" they fail to report is the fact that if you get caught you'll go missing and end up as an organ doner.

    2. Re:Out of Date by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, one of the "downsides" they fail to report is the fact that if you get caught you'll go missing and end up as an organ doner.

      [citation needed]

    3. Re:Out of Date by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 4, Funny

      i wud bt dey cut of al my fngrs.

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    4. Re:Out of Date by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, one of the "downsides" they fail to report is the fact that if you get caught you'll go missing and end up as an organ doner.

      [citation needed]

      http://www.theepochtimes.com/news/8-7-8/73074.html

    5. Re:Out of Date by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is worth noting that the report was released in 07 and "Some of the data are now out of date"

      There. Fixed that for you.

    6. Re:Out of Date by hosecoat · · Score: 5, Funny

      It is worth noting that the report was released in 07 and "Some of the data is now out of date"

      They mentioned the the "downside is the long loading times."

    7. Re:Out of Date by rarity · · Score: 1

      end up as an organ doner.

      Like...a kebab made from human organs? Freaky.

    8. Re:Out of Date by ihatewinXP · · Score: 2, Informative

      I just left Beijing in November (each province and city has different protocols and sites that are to be blocked - its not just one Great Firewall) and can pass on what I have seen.

      Most people (foreign and Chinese) just use an ever evolving list of proxy sites for "that one site" that is being blocked for whatever reason. I remember having to finally give up on http://postsecret.com/ as Chinese censors had seen the name and apparently added it to the list sight unseen. http://flyproxy.com/ was the most used and usually quite fast and able to handle most flash/cgi.

      TOR and all that are great but who is running the nodes? If you dont think China is combing through traffic of people TRYING to hide you have another thing coming (I dont feel like combing through but there was a /. article some time ago discussing that Fort Mead MD seems to have a hugely disproportionate amount of TOR nodes so it seems the NSA is on the same page). China is all about stability and.... actually no, thats it, stability. As long as you are using proxyserver of the month for negligible things there will never be a problem. If you are using TOR/Anonymizer/etc to attempt to break down the walls and change the government - aiya - watch out.

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    9. Re:Out of Date by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Use FoxyProxy to selectively load blocked URLs through TOR (or whatevet the slow connection is), while using your fast connection for unblocked URLs.

    10. Re:Out of Date by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the government - aiya - watch out.

      Spent a little too long there, methinks? :)

    11. Re:Out of Date by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

      The dirty bastards! They took some of the keys from his keyboard to boot!

    12. Re:Out of Date by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As in doner kebab?

    13. Re:Out of Date by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      total pwnage

    14. Re:Out of Date by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is worth noting that the report was released in 07 and "Some of the data is now out of date"

      It's true they say some of the info is out of date, but the report was not released in 2007. It was released on Thursday.

  2. SSH anyone by gzipped_tar · · Score: 0, Redundant

    No mention of SSH in the abstract? I thought that was quite obvious a choice. Oh wait, you'll have to get a shell access to a server outside the wall in the first place.

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    1. Re:SSH anyone by CarpetShark · · Score: 3, Informative

      If I recall correctly, Chani (of KDE fame) once blogged about having difficulty even using SSH from inside China.

    2. Re:SSH anyone by cenc · · Score: 1

      I used it about two years ago when I was in China without a problem. I also believe I was on an unrestricted / less restricted line at a University as a foreign teacher.

      I used my students in my classes like a human scanner. I would assign them to do reports on things, knowing there where only certain sorts of sites they would likly find the info at that perhaps might contain unrelated info, and then the next day when 100 students reported back they could not finish the assignment I could at least get a sense for the difference between my connection and theirs. By the way, I never put any of my students in any sort of danger. Just more of general sweep. Things like the BBC where blocked at that time for everyone, but Gutenberg I could access and they could not. I also found out that the various government officials that I was friends with had much more unrestricted access, and even a few where a bit puzzled by why they could see newspapers in Taiwan that where otherwise blocked for everyone else.

      Mostly china's sensors are about fear and white noise. Understand the limits of both of those, and China is fairly unrestricted.

  3. Best way: by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

    Know someone on the outside and arrange SSH access with them.

    1. Re:Best way: by houghi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I used rootshell.be in the past. I now can use xs4all.nl. These are obviously outside my country and do not include my own machines, nor my employers.

      And although the technical solution might be easy, the way to get that is not as easy. Would you give a Chinese person ssh access to your machine? What about an Iraqi? Afghan? Somebody from the south of France with a nickname of ETA001?

      You could be under closer investigation from your own government.

      I am even hesitant to give people ssh access that I know personally, let alone somebody I never have seen or heard of.

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    2. Re:Best way: by Idiomatick · · Score: 1

      Lol why wouldn't you trust chinese people? Its not like you'll get shipped off to china for breaking their laws. Iraqi's and Afghani's are understandable because only rich people have internet and if they want to circumvent the filters in place it would be questionable why. Same with the french person, the laws are fairly lax so hes likely only circumventing child porn laws. But in China there is a chance they are circumventing a law for a possibly useful cause. Like tattle-tailing on the government. Given a GOOD and convincing reason however I'd let anyone have SSH through me. It wouldn't matter what country they are from. An easy chance to support freedom of speech just by changing some settings. Why wouldn't I? Also, don't be a racist wad ty.

    3. Re:Best way: by Xtravar · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think the point he's making is that he doesn't trust anybody to use his internet connection.

      Sharing domestically, he could be charged with kiddie porn.

      Sharing internationally, he could be charged with treason/terrorism.

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    4. Re:Best way: by houghi · · Score: 1

      How do I know I am supporting freedom of speech and not aid in any illegal activity where _I_ will be the one who pays the price.
      About the French person: you missed the link with the ETA. You know, the terrorists from Spain who have killed people.

      Nice also to see that you make no difference between countries (neither did I) yet you say that for Iraqi and Afghans is somehow OK. So difference is OK for you.

      And the racist part is pretty silly. I have not treated anybody different. I treat them all equally, including people I know personally. And as for helping free speech, I would love to, but I would have no idea whether I would be helping free speech or somebody imposing as a "free speecher" who tries to catch the ones who are actually doing the free speech. Am I paranoia? Not really. I don't believe they monitor everyting I do online. I KNOW they monitor everything I do online.

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    5. Re:Best way: by horza · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The French used to have a complete ban on encryption until recently. The UK in the mid-90s were pushing for a key escrow system, where all individuals would have to lodge a copy of their private key with the government, and were very close to succeeding. Instead we now have the RIPA, where you have to disclose your key when asked or go to jail. The only way to safely store a stranger's data on your machine is if it's encrypted and you have no access to the key. Even then ISPs are monitoring what you are downloading.

      There can be plenty of reasons for allowing people to ssh through your machine, but I also would only do it for friends. I did it for one of my friends who wanted to be able to job search during lunch time but didn't want his employer to know he was looking. He wasn't breaking any laws or company rules, but wanted his privacy protected. However, like Idiomatick I would be happy to help anybody that had a good and convincing reason (though they would be in chroot).

      Phillip.

    6. Re:Best way: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its amazing how people with the kiddie pr0n perversion are always assumed to be super smart hackers who somehow know of stealthy ways to circumvent technology, when in reality they're just scum with a sickening addiction and no particular technological skills.

      The problem is that murderers and rapists (and people _actually_ abusing kids v.s. ppl trading pictures) are higher priority which is why there is such a low conviction rate.

      It doesnt help that a lot of marketeers are out to sexualize young america with slutty clothes. Ever tried shopping for young kids? The selection of clothing for young females is atrocious...

  4. Some conclusions from the paper by gravos · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Some conclusions from the paper:

    Tor can be recommended for widespread circumvention use, but only for expert users concerned about anonymity. Increased use of the tool might trigger blocking that Tor is not yet ready to defend itself against.

    JAP can be recommended for use only by users who don't need anonymity or who understand the anonymity implications of JAP network composition and know to choose one of the non-default networks.

    Psiphon can be recommended for widespread client and server use, but users should also be aware that some data leaks are possible.

    Circumventor can be recommend for widespread client use but only for server use by expert users who are able to navigate the difficult install process and understand the effects of the install on the host computer. Circumventor users should also be aware that some data leaks are possible.

    UltraReach can be recommended for widespread use as the best performing of all the tested tools, though users concerned about anonymity should be warned to disable browser support for active content.

    1. Re:Some conclusions from the paper by Ruede · · Score: 3, Informative

      JAP -- german government or better said their intelligence service has a direct interface to it... so what is better chinese or german gov watching your porn downloads?

    2. Re:Some conclusions from the paper by v1 · · Score: 1

      secret multiplayer javascript spreadsheet game

      Interesting until you get too big that even moving a single step is very costly, then you just end up being a stationary fixture, like a dragon that nobody wants to get too close to.

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    3. Re:Some conclusions from the paper by eln · · Score: 4, Funny

      Given the kind of freaky porn that comes out of Germany, I doubt the German government is going to be phased by anything the Chinese decide to download.

    4. Re:Some conclusions from the paper by rarity · · Score: 1

      Given the kind of freaky porn that comes out of Germany, I doubt the German government is going to be phased by anything the Chinese decide to download.

      Seriously? Chinese pr0n is even weirder, IMO. I'd give you a copy of the comprehensive study I wrote on the subject, but the pages are all stuck together...

    5. Re:Some conclusions from the paper by pleappleappleap · · Score: 1, Informative

      Pet peeve of mine: phased != fazed.

    6. Re:Some conclusions from the paper by smoker2 · · Score: 1

      Please define fazed then.

    7. Re:Some conclusions from the paper by Samah · · Score: 1

      Given the kind of freaky porn that comes out of Germany, I doubt the German government is going to be phased by anything the Chinese decide to download.

      That's "fazed". Although I'd expect the German government would be pretty worried once China starts using depolarised positronic tachyon beams to phase them out of existence. ;)

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    8. Re:Some conclusions from the paper by Klaus_1250 · · Score: 1

      That is not entirely correct. They can request a wiretap of JAP-client with a warrant... which is not much different from your normal Internet connection and phone.

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    9. Re:Some conclusions from the paper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      are you stupid? look it up in a dictionary dumbass

    10. Re:Some conclusions from the paper by RockWolf · · Score: 2, Funny

      Please define fazed then.

      #define fazed "to disturb the composure of"

      Hope this helps.

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  5. Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now how do I get around Hadrian's firewall of the UK?

    1. Re:Cool by Chrisq · · Score: 1

      Dress as a woman and they'll let you through. Scotsmen traditionally wear skirts to this day.

    2. Re:Cool by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      Yeah, right. Like the reason why the inspectors didn't find any WMDs in Iraq is because they were hidden inside Saddam's wife's burqa ;-)

    3. Re:Cool by smoker2 · · Score: 1

      Fuck you, Jimmy !

    4. Re:Cool by Chrisq · · Score: 1

      Whatsa matter, draft got up yer skirt?

  6. Isn't it stupid to... by Nutria · · Score: 1

    ... give the PRC better information on how people piercer the GWoC?

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    1. Re:Isn't it stupid to... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't it stupid to assume that the PRC don't know all of the ways the G(F)WoC can be pierced?

    2. Re:Isn't it stupid to... by Nutria · · Score: 1

      Isn't it stupid to assume that the PRC don't know all of the ways the G(F)WoC can be pierced?

      Of course not.

      1. No one knows all knowledge about any complex entity, and
      2. bureaucracies know even less about complex entities.
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  7. The Obvious Solution by ShawnCplus · · Score: 2

    I've found the fastest way through the Great Firewall of China to be Mongolosploit. It may take somem time but it's persistent.

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    1. Re:The Obvious Solution by knutkracker · · Score: 1

      I've found the fastest way through the Great Firewall of China to be Mongolosploit. It may take somem time but it's persistent.

      Mao says it can't be done, but Genghis Khan!

    2. Re:The Obvious Solution by Samah · · Score: 1

      I've found the fastest way through the Great Firewall of China to be Mongolosploit. It may take somem time but it's persistent.

      I think the most obvious solution would be to pour sweet and sour pork on their heads.

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  8. Mongolians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They are Always trying to break down City wall

  9. Whatever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    A friend of mine lives in Beijing, apparently the great firewall is load of PR fluff, which anyone -- including barely tech-literate people -- work around by using public proxies.

    Granted, it is lame, it does have a chilling effect on free speech, but mostly it's just a PR stunt by the Chinese government.

    1. Re:Whatever by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      With the added bonus that since so many people are doing it, the Chinese government can pick and choose the people they find objectionable to selectively prosecute and punish.

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    2. Re:Whatever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so it's a trap? the Chinese? oh plz!

  10. Not really by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    of course, the huge downside is the long loading times.

    No, the huge downside is that if anyone decides you're a problem, your circumvention methods are illegal and easy to detect.

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    1. Re:Not really by ZeroExistenZ · · Score: 1

      Do you mean I should mod him down?

      He's already modded to +5 insightful... Maybe he's being overmodded to your suggestion...

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  11. Tunnel SOCKS through SSH? by RT+Alec · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I found that when a client of mine connected via SSH to a well connected server (Equinix/Ashburn), they could use the SOCKS setting in Firefox (connecting to localhost since that's what their SSH client listened to) to tunnel all of their traffic with no problem. Note: this was a Mac, up to date as of last year when we tried this.

    Sure enough, one day the tunneling stopped working! We changed the port used by SSH to 443, and it worked just fine after that.

    1. Re:Tunnel SOCKS through SSH? by Piranhaa · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Remember your dns queries still go through by regular, unencrypted, means... That 'could' draw attention to whoever is using it. A friend of mine gives access to his SSH server for tunneling for his buddy is Saudi Arabia - just needs to be careful.

    2. Re:Tunnel SOCKS through SSH? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      firefox has a setting to route DNS requests through the socks proxy as well.

      network.proxy.socks_remote_dns

    3. Re:Tunnel SOCKS through SSH? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not if you go to about:config in Firefox and change the setting network.proxy.socks_remote_dns to true it wont.

    4. Re:Tunnel SOCKS through SSH? by jroysdon · · Score: 1

      Remove your DNS server settings from your system. No DNS leakage. You just hard-code the SSH server IP either in your hosts file or the SSH client.

  12. All encryption requires permission from the Party by Anonymous+Bullard · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In China and Chinese-ruled territories use or possession of encryption technology without permission from the Chinese Communist Party (aka PRC government) is an offense against the State/CCP. For those forms of encryption that the Party does permit to be used, eg. in online shopping, the Party must have the decryption keys.

    Unlike individuals, companies may be permitted to use encryption without surrendering the keys to the State, but that only happens if the company has been deemed supportive of the Government, or if their presence in China otherwise benefits the State's objectives.

    Since I have some Chinese fenqing (those mindless hordes attacking enemies of State during the Cultural Revolution but now ultra-nationalistic) on my tail this post will probably be modded into oblivion either immediately or eventually...

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  13. Think they missed a one or two downsides... by sunking2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Like getting arrested, or run over by a tank, or being re-educated.

    1. Re:Think they missed a one or two downsides... by rcamans · · Score: 1

      You know they charge your family for the re-education costs (one bullet)

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    2. Re:Think they missed a one or two downsides... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Tank man" was never run over by a tank. Please don't whine.

  14. But by halfEvilTech · · Score: 0

    can I view this report in China because man this filtering sucks

  15. Re:All encryption requires permission from the Par by King_TJ · · Score: 1

    How does the Chinese government view the use of such software as OpenVPN?

    Is that also an illegal encryption technology for individuals?

  16. the people in china by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Dont even want to be free from the firewall, because it might break their perfect-image that they are so great. They get taught from birth that they live in the best place on Earth and believe this to the fullest. Say anything bad about China towards a Chinese who never left the country and no matter how much evidence you give them and facts you feed them they won't believe it.

    I showed some Chinese websites about Tianmen square, video's, the wikipedia, but all they said that is was fake material made by people who hate China. Some that did know about it was fully on the side of their government and it was just "keeping order".

    Let them take care of it themself if they want to see the truth and not be oppressed but the way it is they want it and like it.

    And if you are a foreigner who needs the a unregulated internet connection, avoid countries like China, maybe if all tourism stops they might considering being less oppressive.

    1. Re:the people in china by sakdoctor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Mod this AC up.

      The firewall isn't a technical problem, it's 100% a social one. One person circumventing it is trivial, probably always will be, what's impenetrable is the doublethink force field around almost everyone's head.

    2. Re:the people in china by NeoSkandranon · · Score: 1

      Very well put, although I think as long as China keeps getting manufacturing business they won't care so much about tourism

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    3. Re:the people in china by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funnily enough, they get angry and pissy if you point out their faults. Insecure much? And I wonder where insecurity is taught in culture...

    4. Re:the people in china by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Chinese websites about Tianmen square, video's, the wikipedia, but all they said that is was fake material

      When I went there everybody knew about it. Try asking them using the term "June Fourth Movement".

      Not everybody refers to it as the "Tiananmen Square Massacre".

    5. Re:the people in china by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      insecurity is a natural aspect of human psychology. it is not taught. it requires no prerequisite except normal social development. everyone is insecure to some extent or another, in every culture, who has ever lived (except for the pathological, which again, is organic, and is not cultural)

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    6. Re:the people in china by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember Matrix?
      blue pill, red pill, which one do you think they prefer?

    7. Re:the people in china by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dont even want to be free from the firewall, because it might break their perfect-image that they are so great. They get taught from birth that they live in the best place on Earth and believe this to the fullest. Say anything bad about China towards a Chinese who never left the country and no matter how much evidence you give them and facts you feed them they won't believe it.

      Substitute 'American' and 'American' and this post still works. How depressing.

    8. Re:the people in china by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Replace "China" with "United States" and this is still true.

    9. Re:the people in china by rtechie · · Score: 1

      Um, no.

      Tune into any TV news network in the United States and you'll almost certainly hear someone complaining about the government in short order.

      Take Rush Limbaugh for example. Since Obama was elected he's been attacking Obama and his administration nonstop in very harsh language. He hasn't been hauled off to the gulag yet. Neither has Keith Olberman, who spent 8 years calling President Bush the "Worst Person in the World".

      In the PRC (calling these thugs "China" just lends them legitimacy) these guys wouldn't even be on the air and if they somehow got on the air and dared to say anything remotely critical of the Communist Party they would be in jail and/or dead within days.

      Until the PRC is a REAL multiparty democracy with REAL personal freedoms you people can shut the fuck up about how much the US is just like China. China is not a Western democracy with the rule of law and cherished personal freedoms. The PRC is a vicious totalitarian military dictatorship that stays in power solely through fear, torture, and murder. They threaten the REAL democracies that surround them like Taiwan, South Korea, and Japan. The PRC is the single most dangerous organization in the world today. The only thing we have to be thankful for is that the PRC is also corrupt and incompetent, which is what is currently keeping them from terrorizing their neighbors.

  17. Re:All encryption requires permission from the Par by electrosoccertux · · Score: 3, Informative

    It depends on where your nationality resides. It is accepted and assumed that Americans/The West (TM) will use encryption because they see us as being very concerned about privacy and protective of our business secrets et al. So if you're American/European and over there, you won't have any trouble using encryption/SSH2/etc. A Chinese citizen, on the other hand, would have more trouble getting away with it.

  18. My experience in China (Nov. 2008) by nkovacs · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I went to China for vacation November 2008. It was crazy watching the U.S. election from the Yengtze river.

    Being the dork that I am I spent a good chunk of time playing around with the Great Firewall of China. One thing that baffled me was the ease of which I could find "censored" material. For example the wikipedia page for the Tiananmen Square protests was accessible (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1989).

    Searching Google images for "Tiananmen Square" came back with hundreds of tanks, bloody civilians and the like - no different than in the U.S.

    Yet some things were banned. I found that all the free http proxies that I tried were banned. I couldn't get to wikileaks.org. And I couldn't get to the Tor website to download the installer.

    This presents an interesting chicken and egg problem with circumvention software. How do you get the software in the first place if it's source of the software package is censored? I ended up asking a buddy of mine in the U.S. to send me the Tor program via gmail, but not everyone has that option.

    I was only on a very slow 8k/sec connection so at times it was difficult to tell if a site was banned or if it just was really slow. I could only really tell by running a trace route. It would always time out at the same router, presumably the router that bridged between inside and outside China.

    In case anyone is interested here is a tracert going to a banned site.

    C:\>tracert wikileak.org

    Tracing route to wikileak.org [72.1.201.156]
    over a maximum of 30 hops:

    1 490 ms 298 ms 298 ms 220.192.136.4
    2 298 ms 299 ms 299 ms 220.192.136.251
    3 298 ms 280 ms * 61.242.160.182
    4 280 ms 342 ms 296 ms 211.94.54.205
    5 432 ms 439 ms 439 ms 211.94.56.105
    6 438 ms 459 ms 459 ms 211.94.55.5
    7 358 ms * 1107 ms 211.94.39.98
    8 499 ms 480 ms 479 ms 211.94.55.250
    9 * 1108 ms 479 ms sl-gw22-ana-1-0.sprintlink.net [144.228.79.177]

    10 498 ms 500 ms 518 ms sl-crs2-ana-0-1-2-2.sprintlink.net [144.232.1.12
    2]
    11 518 ms 519 ms 539 ms sl-crs2-fw-0-13-3-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.19.1
    97]
    12 536 ms 538 ms 558 ms sl-crs2-kc-0-0-0-2.sprintlink.net [144.232.19.14
    1]
    13 537 ms 558 ms 538 ms sl-crs2-chi-0-8-0-3.sprintlink.net [144.232.18.2
    14]
    14 528 ms 539 ms 539 ms sl-st21-chi-11-0-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.20.21
    ]
    15 537 ms 539 ms 540 ms sl-bigpi4-209998-0.sprintlink.net [144.223.6.30]

    16 536 ms 559 ms 539 ms rc2ch-pos10-0.il.shawcable.net [66.163.65.41]
    17 537 ms 719 ms 539 ms rc1ch-ge1-0-0.il.shawcable.net [66.163.65.1]
    18 556 ms 560 ms 559 ms rc2sh-pos13-0.mt.shawcable.net [66.163.77.13]
    19 558 ms 557 ms 559 ms ra2sh-tge10-1.mt.shawcable.net [66.163.66.78]
    20 597 ms 578 ms 580 ms rx0sh-hydro-one-telecom.mt.bigpipeinc.com [66.24
    4.255.38]
    21 578 ms 559 ms 559 ms 142.46.128.14
    22 779 ms 779 ms * tol-gsr.telecomottawa.net [142.46.130.10]
    23 * *

    1. Re:My experience in China (Nov. 2008) by mcwolfzhang · · Score: 1

      8k/s? Did you connect the internet using a mobile?

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    2. Re:My experience in China (Nov. 2008) by julian67 · · Score: 4, Informative

      "This presents an interesting chicken and egg problem with circumvention software. How do you get the software in the first place if it's source of the software package is censored?"

      apt-get install tor privoxy

      I've been in countries where use of any method to circumvent state censorship is criminal, all known proxies are blocked, all proxifying/anonymising software websites are blocked, tor.eff.org is blocked and so on. But there are Debian mirrors hosted by the state funded university. No more censorship :-)

    3. Re:My experience in China (Nov. 2008) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Umm dude, from the traceroute you posted, your data is getting all the way to OTTAWA, Canada from the looks of it. Shit Shaw cable is a Canadian ISP for GDsakes! Doesn't look like china was filtering your traceroute anyhow. Of course, they could be applying the filters at a different level, or only on certain protocols, etc.. But that traceroute doesn't really ... to quote a meme "mean what you think it means"

    4. Re:My experience in China (Nov. 2008) by nkovacs · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "This presents an interesting chicken and egg problem with circumvention software. How do you get the software in the first place if it's source of the software package is censored?"

      apt-get install tor privoxy

      I've been in countries where use of any method to circumvent state censorship is criminal, all known proxies are blocked, all proxifying/anonymising software websites are blocked, tor.eff.org is blocked and so on. But there are Debian mirrors hosted by the state funded university. No more censorship :-)

      That implies you have a choice of which OS to use which just isn't the case in China. Most people use a cyber cafe connection running on Windows XP. Most Chinese simply can't afford the cost of a computer of their own. Nor could they afford the cost of an internet connection of their own.

    5. Re:My experience in China (Nov. 2008) by nkovacs · · Score: 1

      One way to solve this chicken and egg problem is to preload Tor onto a USB stick. http://entertainment.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/28/2321219

    6. Re:My experience in China (Nov. 2008) by julian67 · · Score: 1

      Thank you for your comment. You may well be right. My point really was that the state which imposes the restrictions may also be subsidising the circumvention of those restrictions. Even (especially?) in China socio-economic class and tacit social/political compliance matters more than almost anything else when it comes to the freedom and ability to communicate. I'm not sure how sophisticated is the management and regulation of public computers in China but assuming it's not perfect then it should be possible for anyone who can afford a small pen drive to install and run DSL with Qemu and from there add tor and privoxy. Yes this requires a little research and determination and I'm assuming there is reasonable documentation in Chinese languages which may not be the case. My undestanding of the Chinese firewall is that it is not the all encompassing seeing eye as described by the hysterical media, but more of a rather subtle and intelligently implemented method of training the population to self-censor. Articles which are available this week might not be available next week. This week's acceptable site is next month's taboo and so on. The upshot being that the general population self moderates, leaving the censors and police to concentrate on those who persistently use vpn, ssh, tor etc. My guess is that there is always a way through but maybe not a regular safe way through. In controlling a population their internet access is just an aspect of relevant behaviour, not the be all and end all so it would be foolish to divert too many resources to it when more might be achieved through traditional methods of control and surveillance such as a state monopoly on the telephone, a helpful concierge in every building, certain requirements of every employer. Just look at the DDR as was. Another aspect to bear in mind is that we always seem to assume that these one party or autocratic states are competent in their endeavours to control their population. This definitely isn't the case. China may be an exception due to a stable government (60 years so far!) and technological expertise but many other oppressive places are utterly reliant on technology and methods they actually don't understand and are unable to effectively implement or maybe afford, or can't implement because every foreign company would leave the next day.

  19. there's always sneakernet by circletimessquare · · Score: 3, Insightful

    http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/03/06/1717242

    if this strikes many of you as too low tech, recall that most of western liberal notions such as freedom of the press and freedom of expression were established BEFORE the internet. obviously! but we in the west have become so addicted and enamored of the permanence and instantaneousness of the internet, we almost can't imagine life before it, or a struggle for freedom without this aid. but the struggle for basic human dignity can and will happen, even without the net

    life without a free net retards progress, but doesn't stop it. progress on basic human rights WILL come to china eventually. the grumpy old men in beijing can't hold on forever. they are human, they make mistakes. the best they can do is make the rightful fight for basic human rights in china a painful one for their fellow chinese

    to any "faithful" chinese reading this message: i didn't know being a proud chinese meant being a dumb chinese. but if you defend the policies of the grumpy old technocrats to keep the average chinese's media strictly controlled, that's what exactly what you do. the only way to a strong china is a free china. if you think just an authoritarian ultracapitalist china is a strong china, whoa boy, watch what happens as the world economy continues to shrink. china is not immune to the inevitable lessons of history about economic recessions and draconian governemnts. enjoy your defensive posture

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  20. SSH server by Krneki · · Score: 1

    When I need to avoid a Firewall I use a SSH proxy server. How easy it is to use depends on every applications.

    You can use any port you want, but the downside is you need to have a SSH server somewhere on the outside.

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  21. Re:All encryption requires permission from the Par by gzipped_tar · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I know how it feels like being cyberstalked. Kinda pathetic. But hey, how many of them are really slashdotters caring about the karma stuff? ;)

    As a Chinese, I'm not offended by your viewpoints or position, in fact I quite understand it. However, I remain somewhat skeptic about the factuality of your post because I don't know any established Chinese law regarding the regulation of encryption technology used by individuals (IANAL of course). Can you give me a pointer to some legal material that supports your post? I believe I use encryption of one kind or another on a daily basis (SSH and HTTPS come to mind, as well as the encryption facilities built into bittorrent).

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  22. Why SSH When Virtual Private Networking Works? by amasiancrasian · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you have a home virtual private networking service setup, or if you have access to a company virtual private networking service, why not just connect to your VPN? Problem is solved, connection is encrypted, and without the potential of tunnel hell or application incompatibility of port forwarding and tunneling.

    Having said that, the censors at China are not that concerned of English offending content; it's more that they're worried about the uneducated public being incited by content online since content is so easily spread via the Internet, at the same time, it is also easy to organize protests online. If you already know English or you've been educated overseas, you're no longer someone they are targeting.

    1. Re:Why SSH When Virtual Private Networking Works? by Krneki · · Score: 1

      Won't work if only port 80 or 443 are open. SSH can work with any Firewall, while VPN might break the connection.

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  23. What the Commies do is evil, but what we do... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I can't help but wonder what the reaction would be to a Chinese university publishing research on circumventing US DRM...or Diebold voting machines.

    Oh wait, they're one of the "evil" empires, right? Not the good guys like the US o' A...

    1. Re:What the Commies do is evil, but what we do... by NotBornYesterday · · Score: 1

      Ignoring your whining, anti-US tone for a moment, your post does (surprisingly) have interesting implications.

      Although the RIAA /etc would fume over it, and although the US govt would grumble, I would guess that there is probably a sizeable number of regular folks in the US who would love to have the Chinese take on various DRM schemes. That might well be the next killer app. Let's face it, China is already the epicenter for mass piracy of software and other IP from the US and elsewhere, and the official US attempts to rein it in have gained little traction. I don't think there would be much effective backlash if the Chinese put out DRM-stripping studies or tools. As a matter of fact, because of the chilling effects of the DMCA, plus the widespread US influence in much of the rest of the world, China is probably one of the few places that such tools could be developed with impunity.

      Voting machines would be more worrisome, but honestly, they're already pretty crappy to begin with. If anything, your post underlines the importance of NOT relying on computerized voting machines. However, I imagine there is an important difference between the Harvard study and your hypothetical Chinese study. If the Chinese ever do (or did) study how to crack voting machines, you can bet they won't be making their findings public.

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  24. Re:All encryption requires permission from the Par by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So if you're American/European and over there, you won't have any trouble using encryption/SSH2/etc.

    That's good to know. Especially considering that my laptop is encrypted with TrueCrypt and I just spent 3 weeks in Shanghai on business. :-)

    Of course the only thing I was protecting was company schematics and source code so I if I had to I'd give the password up in a heart beat. There's no way I would spend time in a Chinese prison to protect my boss's paycheck or the company.

    Interesting thing though...

    I typed "Freedom of Religion" into Google while I was there and Google became completely blocked for 30 seconds... The same search in Yahoo would not get blocked.

  25. I'm sure it good fun cirucumventing it....... by hyperbotfly · · Score: 0

    ....until you are strapped to a table in an RV, getting your organs ripped out while still alive.

  26. Re:All encryption requires permission from the Par by xant · · Score: 1

    Assuming this is true, and another commenter has called this into question, so what? If you're using privacy software to punch through the Great Firewall, you are by definition doing something the government doesn't like, and probably several things. If you can get your hands on Tor in the first place, you might as well use it.

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  27. Bah, sensationalist propaganda! by Spikeman56 · · Score: 1

    Everyone who does anything technical in China (I'm talking of Chinese people here), knows to use a VPN to tunnel out to Japan or somewhere similar. If it's "illegal" you certainly wouldn't know it.

    I recently returned from 6 months in Beijing where I reliably used my OpenVPN connection to an Amazon EC2 server whenever I needed something "special". Don't get me wrong, the great firewall is a pain in the ass, and they don't have the infrastructure (intentionally) to support that much traffic flowing in and out, but it's the same intarwebs we all use.

  28. Re:All encryption requires permission from the Par by ZorinLynx · · Score: 1

    So Chinese citizens can't use SSH? You must log into systems using cleartext?

    Wow, this seems like it could potentially cause lots of security problems.

    Also, given how easy it is to use encryption without even knowing (Skype uses it, for instance), it must be scary to be a Chinese computer geek. o.O

    Though I suspect that these laws are only enforced if a citizen becomes a Problem(TM) for the state. Still scary, though, as you can probably become a Problem(TM) doing fairly innocuous things.

  29. Re:All encryption requires permission from the Par by exponential · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In China and Chinese-ruled territories use or possession of encryption technology without permission from the Chinese Communist Party (aka PRC government) is an offense against the State/CCP. For those forms of encryption that the Party does permit to be used, eg. in online shopping, the Party must have the decryption keys.

    You have either been misinformed or are deliberately making stuff up for some reason. I have ran sshd and apached (with encryption) on my own computer for years. I use GnuPG to communicate with my friends. But I have NEVER been required to acquire permission from the "Party", nor have I given my decryption keys to anybody.

    As much as I despise my communist government, spreading blatant lies like this is not going to help bring about its demise. If anything it only makes more of your "mindless hordes of ultra-nationalists", because your so-obviously-made-up description of china can be translated and circulated on the chinese bulletin boards as "proof" that westerners want nothing but the "down-fall of China", and how "ignorant" they are of "the great achievements made by the Chinese people under the leadership of the Communist party". Yes I know this is very laughable, but that's the sad truth, and it has happened very often in the past few years. Things like this can easily be used to provoke nationalist and anti-western sentiment in China, which will make the work of those brave individuals who tirelessly try to promot the values of human right, freedom, democracy, etc. (the "symbolic" values of the western world) in China more difficult than it already is.

  30. Re:All encryption requires permission from the Par by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The free version of Tor is tortuously slow to use here in China... I only use it when I need to go to sites I know are blocked. e.g. wowwiki.org Why the fuck they block wowwiki but not slashdot is anyone's guess.

  31. OpenVPN in UDP on port 53 by Nicolas+MONNET · · Score: 2, Interesting

    is even better, can even get you through some non-free hotspots, and it's hardly ever blocked where most other things are.

    1. Re:OpenVPN in UDP on port 53 by Krneki · · Score: 1

      Interesting.

      Still my WRT54GL on tomato can act as a proxy server wherever I am.

      I still have to find a firewall that is able to block me. All I need is port 80 to work.

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  32. Re:All encryption requires permission from the Par by justkeeper · · Score: 1

    I have no mod points,anybody mod parent up?

  33. CCP's rules on foreigners' use of crypto in PRC by Anonymous+Bullard · · Score: 0, Troll

    Measures for the Use of Encryption Products by Overseas Organizations and Individuals within China.

    Announcement of State Encryption Administration

    (No. 9)

    The Measures for the Use of Encryption Products by Overseas Organizations and Individuals within China are hereby promulgated and shall come into force as of May 1, 2007.

    State Encryption Administration

    March 24, 2007

    Measures for the Use of Encryption Products by Overseas Organizations and Individuals within China

    Article 1 For the purpose of regulating the use of encryption codes and equipment containing encryption technologies (hereinafter referred in general as encryption products) by overseas organizations and individuals within China, these Measures are formulated in accordance with the Regulation on Commercial Ciphers.

    Article 2 The use of encryption products by overseas organizations and individuals within China shall be governed by these Measures, excluding China-based embassies and consulates of foreign countries, China-based representative offices of international organizations and other institutions enjoying the corresponding privilege and immunity.

    Article 3 The term "overseas organization" as mentioned in these Measures refers to an organization set up outside China under foreign law, including the branch institutions, offices, representative offices, etc. established by it inside China.

    The term "overseas individual" refers to a person who does not have the Chinese nationality under the Nationality Law of the People's Republic of China.

    The term "encryption products" as mentioned in these Measures refers to the products for which the information is subject to protection or security authentication on the basis of encryption technologies, including the encryption products made within and outside China.

    Article 4 The State Encryption Administration (hereinafter referred to as the SEA) shall be responsible for the administration of the use of encryption products by overseas organizations and individuals within China.

    The encryption administrative departments of all provinces, autonomous regions and municipalities directly under the Central Government shall undertake the relevant administrative tasks in accordance with these Measures.

    Article 5 When an overseas organization or individual intends to use an encryption product within China, it (he) shall fill out a Form of Application for the Registration of Use of Encryption Products by Overseas Organization or Individual in advance and submit it to the encryption administrative department of the local province, autonomous region or municipality directly under the Central Government.

    The encryption administrative department of the province, autonomous region or municipality directly under the Central Government shall, within 5 working days from the day when it accepts an application, examine the Form of Application for the Registration of the Use of Encryption Products by Overseas Organization or Individual and submit it to the SEA.

    The SEA shall, within 20 working days from the day when the encryption administrative department of the province, autonomous region or municipality directly under the Central Government accepts an application, examine the Form of Application for the Registration of the Use of Encryption Products by Overseas Organization or Individual.

    If it approves the use, it shall issue to the applicant a Permit to Use Encryption Product by Overseas Organization or Individual.
    A Permit to Use Encryption Product by Overseas Organization or Individual shall be valid for three years.

    Article 6 Where an overseas organization or individual needs to use any encryption product imported from abroad, it (he) shall apply for a License for the Import of Encryption Product.

    When such encryption product enters into China, the overseas organization or individual shall faithfully make a declaration and submit the License for the Import of Encr

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    1. Re:CCP's rules on foreigners' use of crypto in PRC by Anonymous+Bullard · · Score: 1

      In case some people aren't aware of the realities in the PRC, all "laws" have been de facto written by the Chinese Communist Party and they are also subject to interpretation by the "courts" which are under direct rule of the Party. There is no separation whatsoever between the Party's executive and judicial arms, which is one of the reasons why the "People's Republic" of China is classified as an authoritarian state.

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  34. picidae by grgon · · Score: 1

    http://www.picidae.net/
    - is a proxy service which "creates an image of the website ... To make surfing on that image possible, pici-server analyses the web site and puts links via image maps onto the image where they can be seen on the web site. So one can click in the web browser with the mouse onto the links like on the "true" web page"

    the actual page to use (the proxy) is:
    http://pici.picidae.net/

    is it even possible to control this with a firewall?

  35. Put banned words on your page by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In order to encourage the Chinese to not censor the internet, I'd like to encourage everybody who has a page with science or math or engineering content on it to put some banned content on it-- discussion of Tibet Independence, or Tienanmin Square massacre information. Make it so the stuff they want their people to get to is censored! (You can use white-on-white font for this, if you want to avoid cluttering real work pages with politics-- that's cool

  36. The people in the USA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Dont even want to be free from the televsion, because it might break their perfect-image that they are so great. They get taught from birth that they live in the best place on Earth and believe this to the fullest. Say anything bad about the USA towards a US citizen who never left the country and no matter how much evidence you give them and facts you feed them they won't believe it.

    I showed some Americans websites about the war in Iraq, video's, the wikipedia, but all they said that is was fake material made by people who hate the USA. Some that did know about it was fully on the side of their government and it was just "keeping order".

    Let them take care of it themself if they want to see the truth and not be oppressed but the way it is they want it and like it.

    And if you are a foreigner who needs the a unmonitored internet connection, avoid countries like the USA, maybe if all tourism stops they might considering being less oppressive.

  37. Re:All encryption requires permission from the Par by Anonymous+Bullard · · Score: 0, Troll

    You have either been misinformed or are deliberately making stuff up for some reason... spreading blatant lies like this is not going to help... because your so-obviously-made-up description of china

    Dear sir, what exact blatant lies did I write, and why did the post make you so angry?

    What exactly does the PRC law say about Chinese nationals' right to use encryption (or lack thereof)?

    I am also aware that especially in the larger cities of China proper the Han-Chinese people (who are not suspected of any "anti-state activities") running their own computers are not generally bothered by the State authorities, especially since only a tiny percentage of them would be using encyption software not vetted by the State. I also hope you realize that the reality for people in the PRC Government's bad books (human rights activists, independent thinkers and writers) and in the so-called "autonomous regions" is somewhat different.

    Pointing out the shortcomings of your unelected regime and its laws was in no way criticism of you as an individual, but as the modding is already showing there's a strong Hive Mentality among many Chinese which causes them to attack any critic of their rulers...

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  38. Re:All encryption requires permission from the Par by justkeeper · · Score: 1

    I hope you realize that nearly all of the computers with access to the internet today are equipped with encryption software-a browser supporting HTTPS protocol.Thanks.

  39. a look in the mirror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    sorta like the US for the past 8 years, it seems.... authoritarian state that is....

  40. DONT run Tor inside China by kentsin · · Score: 1

    self destruct

    1. Re:DONT run Tor inside China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      self destruct

      Not true. I always used it in China to go through the GWF

  41. worksforme by MrRed · · Score: 1

    On my recent trip to Beijing, I was able to access any site I normally would have in my regular browsing, had no troubles getting and sending mail via TLS on IMAP and SMTP and I was able to ssh into servers halfway around the world easily (if with a little latency). I even tested my VPN connection back to a server in Canada and had no problems whatsoever.

    While there still may be some restrictions, I didn't see any.

    My 0.02

  42. Re:All encryption requires permission from the Par by Anonymous+Bullard · · Score: 0, Troll

    Thank you for kindly pointing out that HTTPS is a protocol, not a cipher. It is the latter that actually encrypts the traffic.

    Now, is it actually legal under the PRC's laws to use ciphers not specifically approved by the State authorities?

    Are Chinese individuals or organizations inside the PRC allowed to freely operate servers with strong encryption of their choice and without permission from the State? Which authority within the PRC is allowed to grant certificates?

    Are the State's routers/filters able to recognize and simply drop HTTPS connections at their whim?

    Does simply using HTTPS protocol prevent the State from logging your connections or attempts to connect to "suspicious sites" (eg. those about democracy and human rights or just critical of the Party)? You know the State's most powerful censorship tool is in fact instilling an inherent sense of self-censorship in its subjects.

    Does the mere presence of HTTPS (with whatever ciphers are bundled) allow the Chinese "netizens" to connect to material otherwise banned or filtered by the State freely and without fear of retribution?

    Thanks for any clarification.

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  43. Will this help Aussies behind AU's Great Firewall? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Australian government has already got some ISPs to sign-up to test its preferred "filtering" system (ie, "AU's Great Firewall").

    While only a handful of ISPs are reportedly participating in the highly unpopular filtering tests, I have no idea WHY they would voluntarily do so... (Are they getting paid?)

    Will the tricks that work for China's "Great Firewall" for for Uncle Rudd's / "AU's Great Firewall"?

  44. circumvention software *sucks* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As much as I am annoyed by the heavy internet blocking in Thailand, I'd rather be ignorant of my repression than browse the internet at sub 1kps - such as by using Tor.

    Circumventing gov't firewalls using current technology just isn't practical.

  45. Re:All encryption requires permission from the Par by justkeeper · · Score: 1

    Answer to question 1 :Yes,there is no law prohibiting that, cipher alone is not a problem for them. Simply posting articles related to encryption technology also never get you caught, in fact, cryptography courses are taught in a number of colleges and Universities, in my University, Bruce Schneier's book is used uncensored,along with all of the original programs provided in a printed form.

    Answer to question 2 :Theoretically, the law requires you to apply for a certificate even if you just want to operate a website with your own domain name. Although it's ratherly enforced, when it's it really is a disaster. I knew that there were two entire IPCs being disconnected for just several defunct websites without certificates. The authority to grant the certificate is the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology.

    Answer to question 3 :They're potentially able to do so, but I have never experienced any HTTPS connection being dropped personally. The biggest problem for me is that most of those still unbanned "suspicious sites" don't provide HTTPS support. You know their first priority is intercepting the keywords rather than the HTTPS connections.

    Answer to question 4 : As far as I know, they are not able to decrypt your traffic if you use HTTPS, however ,they have a IP blcklist so it doesn't make a difference for sites already banned.

    Answer to question 5 :There is no government authority claiming responsibility for operating the GFW(actually this is mostly the responsibility of telcos), you don't need to fear of retribution even if they go after you because you can always claim you don't know the site is banned, as they simply reset your connection and there is never a warning message of any kind sent to you(this comapred to Iran where a warning message is displayed).In conclusion, just browsing "reactionary sites" doesn't pose a threat of any kind to you, but if you want to operate one, well, that depends on who you're.

  46. Re:All encryption requires permission from the Par by Anonymous+Bullard · · Score: 0, Troll

    Thanks for your constructive query. :-)

    I've many Chinese friends who are as worried about the FQ phenomenom as I am. It's always unpleasant to be shouted down or having your message buried for ideological reasons.

    Anyway, I'm not sure if you noticed but elsewhere in this thread I posted the regulations governing foreign-based organizations' (like businesses and NGOs) and foreign individuals' use of crypto in the PRC. The laws governing PRC nationals' use of crypto are said to be nearly identical. But as is often the case in today's China, the actual enforcement of laws is very haphazard and selective. Using SSH while keeping totally clear of anything the State might consider subversive or controversial (like simple river crabs!) and not pushing your luck on foreign connections seems safe. Open-source disk-encryption tools are also a download away and their use highly recommended (by me!), but if the PSB comes knocking on your door they'll only make offers you can't refuse.

    Surely the PRC's statute books are available online for concerned people to study, and if you are interested in looking into the exact legal terms regulating crypto in China, some useful keywords would be "State Encryption Administration" and "State Encryption Management Commission" which are the organizations charged with enforcing the regulations.

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  47. Re:All encryption requires permission from the Par by Anonymous+Bullard · · Score: 1

    Just a footnote: There is plenty of information regarding PRC's laws regulating foreigners' and in particular foreign businesses' encryption rules, but very little in terms of specifics about the same laws concerning Chinese nationals. I have, however, followed the debate and read many a newspaper article (outside China) over the years and like in the case of "state secrets", it may be that the lack of debate (naturally also within China) is partially due to intentional obfuscation over what is permitted and what is not permitted. Discussion about Chinese people's civil liberties isn't exactly the state-approved hot topic in the Chinese media nor in the discussion forums.

    My non-exhaustive search came up with a few quotes from the Network World magazine:

    "We have part of our business in Beijing," says Bernie Cowens, vice president for security services at encryption vendor Rainbow Technologies. "If you encrypt data in China, you have to provide the Chinese government the ability to access the keys. By this regulation, the Chinese should be able to get access to [Secure Sockets Layer]-encrypted traffic, too."

    and

    Chinese government officials have had an ongoing dialogue about encryption with foreign corporations doing business there. According to attorneys familiar with the matter, Chinese officials say the encryption restrictions are aimed at Chinese citizens, not foreign corporations. However, Addis says companies can expect the Chinese government to ask for details about the encryption they're using - in addition to requiring them to appoint an "encryption contact" who will give the government the encryption keys when asked.

    "China is the big problem area now," confirms Stewart Baker, attorney at law firm Steptoe & Johnson in Washington, D.C. "China really has an enthusiasm for regulation and standardization that is unmatched anywhere else in the world."

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