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Why TV Lost

theodp writes "Over the past 20 years, there's been much speculation about what the convergence of computers and TV would ultimately look like. Paul Graham says that we now know the answer: computers. 'Convergence' is turning out to essentially be 'replacement.' Why did TV lose? Graham identifies four forces: 1. The Internet's open platform fosters innovation at hacker speeds instead of big company speeds. 2. Moore's Law worked its magic on Internet bandwidth. 3. Piracy taught a new generation of users it's more convenient to watch shows on a computer screen. 4. Social applications made everybody from grandmas to 14-year-old girls want computers — in a three-word-nutshell, Facebook killed TV."

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  1. I'm not dead yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Rumors about my death have been greatly exaggerated. tv

    1. Re:I'm not dead yet by murdocj · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If the article literally means that we're all going to be crowded around computer screens to watch entertainment instead of sitting comfortably on our couches in the living room, then yeah, it's wrong. My wife and I probably spend way too much time on our computers (we're WoW addicts). But when we want to watch a "TV show" (usually a DVD of a TV show) we go into the living room. It's just way more pleasant and better set up.

      If you're talking about the delivery mechanism, then yeah, it may work out that broadcasting the same signal to everyone is going away. Although even that I question. I'm wondering if the Internet infrastructure really has the bandwidth to support everyone (not just a minority of people) all doing real time streaming. I'm thinking we're at least one generation of the Internet away from such capacity.

    2. Re:I'm not dead yet by mdwh2 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If the article literally means that we're all going to be crowded around computer screens to watch entertainment instead of sitting comfortably on our couches in the living room, then yeah, it's wrong. My wife and I probably spend way too much time on our computers (we're WoW addicts). But when we want to watch a "TV show" (usually a DVD of a TV show) we go into the living room.

      What's stopping you having a computer in the living room hooked up to the TV, or sitting comfortably on your couch with a laptop? Admittedly, I agree we're a way off for this being commonplace for everyone, but we've moved on from the days when "PC" meant a single computer in the household, that wasn't in the living room, hooked up to a small CRT. HDTV means that most TVs will accept a computer input; computers are cheap and commonplace; and laptops are outselling desktops. I agree that for this to be mainstream, it needs to be packaged in something more userfriendly, but I bet it'll basically be a computer with an Internet connection.

    3. Re:I'm not dead yet by dov_0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When the PC boots up in 3 seconds, has a monitor at least 24" or more across, is placed in the most comfortable room in the house (after the bedroom), has no associations with work, requires ZERO brain effort, switches channels at the touch of one button and can be operated with one hand via a small remote control while the other hand holds a beer or fishes in a packet of Salt'n'Vinegar crisps for the last crumbs...

      Then the PC will win. Don't see it happening though.

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    4. Re:I'm not dead yet by Rennt · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The "TV is dead" line is all about broadcast technology, not the display device itself. People are already using various boxes to watch Internet content on their living room TV's. All you need to kill TV completely is to sell a tuner-free display which plugs directly into your home network.

      Most (ALL?) new TVs are embedded computers. My reasonably affordable 32" LCD TV runs linux, has all the features you listed, and updates its firmware over TCP/IP

      We are already there in terms of technology. The only ongoing challenge is the content owners who use legal structures to resist change.

  2. Neither "won" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Both computers and TV are still "alive".

    TV's are becoming more computer-like though. With digital guides, PVR's and whatnot. Eventually it'll all be a hybrid. Do computer stuff on your TV, do TV stuff on your computer.

  3. I Want My iTV by presidenteloco · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In Wired in 1998, I ranted as follows:

    (Microsoft VP) Craig Mundie's statement that "we view the Internet as one of the 'features' of digital TV services" demonstrates the same lack of vision that caused Microsoft to miss the start of the Internet phenomenon. As communications technologies converge, TV will be one of the services of the Internet, not the other way around.

    Not to say ITYS but ITYS.

    Couldn't part of the reason for this win be that people over the age of two don't actually like being spoonfed their entertainment, their desires (mu-u-u-st SHOP!), and their political opinions?

    On the Internet, I can not only drive, but plan out the whole route, if I want. Heck, I can build my own railway for other people to ride. Much more engaging than TV.

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  4. VOD by Karganeth · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The article fails to mention video on demand (other than in the notes). 30 years from now, people will think how stupid it was that you had to wait for your favorite TV show to come on at a specific time, rather than watching it whenever you wanted.

    1. Re:VOD by MichaelSmith · · Score: 4, Insightful

      30 years from now, people will think how stupid it was that you had to wait for your favorite TV show to come on at a specific time.

      I think it is stupid now, and I grew up watching TV.

    2. Re:VOD by fyoder · · Score: 5, Insightful

      30 years from now, people will think how stupid it was that you had to wait for your favorite TV show to come on at a specific time, rather than watching it whenever you wanted.

      Also very strange, people considered it normal for their show to be interrupted periodically by attempts to sell you crap. After watching shows downloaded, going back to regular television is strange and depressing. Ads can spoil the best of programs. Yet I grew up with television and ads and it all seemed perfectly normal for years and years. Interesting how little time it takes viewing stuff without ads for it to become completely unacceptable.

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    3. Re:VOD by pyrbrand · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The question is what the funding model will become. Because of the ability to skip ads, either the prevalence of for pay service will increase, or the ads will be incorporated into the content via product placement as we already see. Alternately services like Hulu will rise where their convenience outweighs individual's motivation to find alternate streams sans-ads.

    4. Re:VOD by houghi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      TV is not there to entertain you. It is there to sell advertisement. At least the majority of TV is. You are not the customer, you are the product.

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    5. Re:VOD by Culture20 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I remember when commercials were entertaining and were trying to sell a real product.

      The snugee _is_ real. I've seen it. I'll let the mods decide if I'm being funny.

    6. Re:VOD by hhr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes. It is strange that people consider it normal for their show to be interrupted by attempts to sell crap. The internet shows us a better way-- attempts to sell us crap should happen on a banner down the side the show, or be integrated into the show, or as a pop-up over the show, or at the beginning of the show, or the end, or your show should be broken up into segments each with their own ads that force you to click 'next' before moving on, or via a voice over, or.... Thanks Internet!

    7. Re:VOD by feepness · · Score: 5, Funny

      We got our first TV in the early 1970s. Within a week of watching it my dad had improvised a remote control to mute the ads

      Throwing a beer can at the back of your head is not a remote control!

  5. Piracy? by mdwh2 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Yes, I download. But I pay £140 a year in TV licence fees that goes to the BBC, and about £125 in cable TV fees. The material I download is either produced by the BBC, or material that's showing on the stations that I'm paying for anyway.

    Now yes, from a strict legal point of view, I've no doubt that still counts of piracy. But I'm not doing it because it's cheaper - I'm still paying £265 a year to the TV industry, and if I wanted to be unethical, I could stop paying, and just download. I do it because even though I'm happy to pay for it, it's much more convenient to watch TV when I want, and not when the TV company decides to put it on.

    Not that I'm disagreeing with the article really - the fact that the TV companies were so inept to adapt to new technology shows why they are losing. They should just be glad that some of us are still willing to pay for them anyway.

    1. Re:Piracy? by MynockGuano · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But I pay £140 a year

      Ok in all honesty where in your mind does £140 even begin to cover the literally thousands of hours of production? Do you think that covers even a SINGLE employee for a SINGLE episode? THIS people is the problem with the whole "I'm a noble pirate" bs that flies around on Slashdot. The mechanisms are in no way economically sustainable.

      Apparently it does, since that's the price that was set by industry. I'm pretty sure the difference is made up by the fact that there are many more people paying that price than there are employees.

    2. Re:Piracy? by nahdude812 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Oh brother. If his £140 not covering the salary of one person who worked on the production of the show doesn't entitle him to watch it, then why is that the price they choose to charge him to watch it?

      Maybe you were being sarcastic, but I didn't get that. You're aware of course that they make their money not from the subscription fees of a single individual, but from producing a product that they sell to tens or hundreds of thousands of people, right?

      I can't quite accept, "You paid for it, but you will watch it when we say you can watch it, unless you recorded it when we said you could watch it, then you can watch it later - but not if you didn't record it when we said you can watch it but instead got the same thing from somewhere else, then watched it later, that's just unacceptable."

      He paid for it. Time shifting is legal. Time shifting does not dictate what mechanism is used to shift. Get over it.

  6. It was obvious 10 years ago by Alioth · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Even 10 years ago, it was pretty evident that it was only a matter of time before TV became obsolete. Once you could inexpensively publish online, and once a PC could do full motion video, it was only a matter of time.

    TV will hang on for a while yet, as will newspapers, and as will the odd brick and mortar game or music store, but the end is nigh for all of these things.

  7. Different markets by clang_jangle · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While there is obviously plenty of overlap, there will always be those of us who prefer the control we get with computers, and others who want an idiot-proof story telling box. It's two separate but overlapping markets.

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  8. One word - ads by metlin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I stopped watching TV about 6 years ago. My biggest reason?

    Even the paid channels that were supposedly "ad free" started having ads. I wouldn't mind paying a premium for a channel that had absolutely no ads whatsoever, and had uninterrupted programming. I can never relate to the whole, "ooh-shiny" mode of programming that's prevalent today. If anything, I wouldn't be surprised if this were causing an increase in ADDs.

    With a computer, I can pretty much download and watch what I want at my convenience, without ads.

    Today, I do own a TV (which I bought a a few months ago at the behest of the girlfriend) - but no cable. We use it to watch DVDs and play videogames, and that's about it.

    So, yes. Give me programs that are longer and uninterrupted (and good quality) and I will watch them. I am willing to spend 4 hours watching an uninterrupted show with a good story arc, rather than something that is half hour long, with interruptions ever 4 minutes in this age of instant gratification. And having to watch it again the next week at the exact time, which would be programming my life around the show and not the other way around.

    1. Re:One word - ads by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I like ads. Let me repeat that... I like ads. If it comes down to a choice between having to shell out real money for entertainment (or more money, in case of certain entertainment types) and viewing ads, I'll take viewing a few ads every time. Somebody has to pay the bills, and I'd rather have that somebody be a company hawking their product.

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    2. Re:One word - ads by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If it comes down to a choice between having to shell out real money for entertainment (or more money, in case of certain entertainment types) and viewing ads, I'll take viewing a few ads every time.

      Well, the main problem is, you still get the ads even when you are shelling out real money -- as in, satellite, cable, etc. And I'm not talking about commercial breaks -- those I can stand, within reason, although I do appreciate being able to fast-forward through them sometimes.

      No, it's two things that bug me: They're the same ads every time, so even one worth watching is boring by the time the show's over and I've seen it five or ten times. And they're now to the point where ads actually slide onto the bottom quarter or third of the screen, with audio, basically trashing the show -- and of course, with no reduction in the number of ads shown during commercial breaks.

      It's not much better online -- Hulu not only has an ad every 15 minutes, but an ad every seek. No, really -- you can't easily fastforward through the show to find where you left off, because every time you seek, they'll cut to a 15 second ad.

      I don't mind ads -- sometimes they're even informative, and sometimes I do end up buying a product that way. However, when I see an ad actually preventing me from enjoying the real content I wanted to consume, I make a mental note not to buy that product.

      I mean, hell, I like the idea of Hulu. I would love to watch old shows like Firefly online, on demand, streamed, yet in a way that compensates the original creators. But they've managed to perfectly replicate the amount of ads that ruined TV for me, so fuck 'em, I'll get it off The Pirate Bay.

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    3. Re:One word - ads by dintlu · · Score: 3, Informative

      But you are shelling out real money to watch TV.

      18 minutes of your time for every hour of television you watch. When you consider that the average American watches 28 hours of TV weekly, you're looking at 8.4 hours of your time wasted every week. 436 hours a year. 11.3 workplace-years (2080h/yr) of you life, wasted watching advertisement.

      In terms of income, a median American earner will pay $363,000 in lost opportunity cost over 65 years of television viewing.

      One way or another you *are* paying for your entertainment.

  9. Exagerrated by Anenome · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is like saying that verbal storytelling lost to books, or that books lost to radio, or radio lost to movies.

    The internet, by virtue of interactivity, is far better for certain kinds of entertainment, sure, it has a competitive advantage. But sometimes you just want to sit down and receive and not interact, and that functionality will always be there, even if it's now the computer that will produce it in the future.

    And there will always be demand for that sort of one way entertainment.

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  10. Facebook?! by lucas_picador · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Social applications made everybody from grandmas to 14-year-old girls want computers â" in a three-word-nutshell, Facebook killed TV.

    I'll take any odds that the saturation of the PC market graphed against the rise of Facebook (in, what, 2004?) shows absolutely no support for this absurd statement. I strongly suspect that PC sales more or less level off before Facebook even gains any real traction; to support this statement (that Facebook "made everybody... want computers"), you'd need to show exactly the opposite. Seriously, this is just a silly claim.

    1. Re:Facebook?! by spire3661 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Facebook is a symptom, not a cause.

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    2. Re:Facebook?! by MichaelSmith · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Applications like facebook may be the bridge between easy to use TV and hard to use online video.

  11. Poor reasons by Dan+East · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wow, reasons 3 & 4 really miss the mark.

    3. Piracy taught a new generation of users it's more convenient to watch shows on a computer screen.

    How is it more convenient to watch video on a computer screen, than in a living room designed specifically around a television set with a large screen? This is why I own a DivX DVD player with a USB port, and why things like MythTV and Media PCs exist - so people can watch video in the optimum environment, which is not a computer or laptop sitting on a desk.

    4. Social applications made everybody from grandmas to 14-year-old girls want computers â" in a three-word-nutshell, Facebook killed TV.

    I don't know of a single person that bought a computer or got internet connectivity because of Facebook - or any single site for that matter. Claiming that the internet is popular because of Facebook is patently absurd. Not even Google can make such a claim.

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    1. Re:Poor reasons by Hadlock · · Score: 3, Insightful

      3. Piracy taught a new generation of users it's more convenient to watch shows on a computer screen.
       
      How is it more convenient to watch video on a computer screen, than in a living room designed specifically around a television set with a large screen?

      It's more convenient to watch them on your computer screen when you only spend a small fraction (45 minutes a day typically) watching videos. Keep in mind the living room has been designed around the TV only for the last 50 years or so. If he only watches an hour a day of video his viewpoints are going to be drastically different from someone who spends the majority of their leisure time watching ad-funded TV on the sofa.
       
      For example I only have a TV so that my friends don't think it's odd, or so they have something to watch while eating.

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  12. Computers + TV by rotide · · Score: 4, Insightful
    While I realize the internet will be a conduit for TV, sooner rather than later, nothing will get me to watch tv and/or movies in my computer chair when I have nice leather couch to sit on in front of my 46" LCD.

    I also realize that it will probably become easier to integrate our computers with our entertainment centers, nothing, at least at this point, makes me want to sit in front of the TV on my leather couch to surf/write emails/program/etc.

    I really don't care how nicely the 2 will end up playing together. In the end, it's two seperate things that I use. Sometimes I want to sit upright in an office chair and get some work done, some playing done, or just some random stuff done. Other times I want to throw a blanket on my lap with a drink and veg to a movie.

    I just don't see them mixing perfectly. I can't see them replacing either one. We will just simply have the need for both.

  13. "Piracy" by sakdoctor · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Piracy" really does deliver the best convenience money can't buy.

    Here is a list of crap that I won't put up with:
    Unskippable DVD menus.
    Region locks.
    Content that expires before I'm ready to let it go.
    Waiting a week longer than American audiences (BBC iplayer)
    Commercials.
    Ghetto satellite dish on my house.
    Somebody else's schedule.
    Inability to pause.
    Driving to rent/buy physical media.
    The redundant TV screen itself.

    Yep, TV lost.

  14. Same reason blogs lost? by jdgeorge · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Perhaps TV has lost for the same reason blogs have lost. Nobody wants to read/watch inane crap that somebody just pulled out of his ass in order to attract advertising attention.

    What, people actually read this tripe? Nevermind; I recant. TV has a bright future.

    The day "computers" are good for an evening of video entertainment with a significant other, the word will be spelled "television".

  15. Digital broadcast by goombah99 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I suspect digital broadcast TV is going to swing the pendulum back a bit.

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    1. Re:Digital broadcast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Digital broadcast TV is a huge disappointment in my book. With analog TV, bad reception results in some snow on the screen. Programs are still perfectly viewable because there are no frame dropouts, and the audio is still there. Digital TV's failure mode is generally catastrophic, with no audio, shredding of the image akin to a half-received jpeg file; it's basically unwatchable with even the slightest bad reception where you would barely notice a problem with analog.

      If the degradation in quality of practical viewing had been accompanied by an increase in the quality of television programs offered, then it would be tolerable. However, the programs still suck, so I tend to spend my viewing time surfing youtube rather than surfing channels that keep cutting out.

    2. Re:Digital broadcast by mysidia · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The signal bandwidth of digital TV is much narrower than traditional analog broadcast, so much less actually has to be received to successfully construct the stream.

      The extra bandwidth can be used to instead transmit redundant information and error correction codes, to make the signal much more reliable than it ever was with analog TV, and potentially multiple different streams over the same channel.

      The failure mode is more catastrophic, but digital technology should also be much less likely to fail.

    3. Re:Digital broadcast by tepples · · Score: 4, Informative

      I suspect digital broadcast TV is going to swing the pendulum back a bit.

      Not if people who used to rely on an analog broadcast signal can't get a DTV signal with the same antenna. This is reportedly a problem for people who live in the country between towns: a fuzzy analog signal could reach, but there isn't enough SNR for a digital tuner to sync to the carrier. Even in cities, all isn't perfect: I can get the FOX affiliate station in Fort Wayne, Indiana, fine over analog but not at all over digital.

    4. Re:Digital broadcast by David+Gerard · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's like the Internet ... except shit!

      I work in media. The future of television is YouTube or similar. We know this. It'll take a few years before the Internet is a better television than television, i.e. when your connection is a better delivery mechanism than DVB-T over the air. OTOH, convenience beats quality every time.

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    5. Re:Digital broadcast by David+Gerard · · Score: 4, Informative

      It works really well in Britain - digital is just superior in every way, and set-top boxes are more or less free with cereal - but Britain is rather more densely populated than the US. Even then, the BBC has had to start doing Freesat to fulfil its universal service obligations to areas that can't get a good terrestrial signal. In the US, I expect they're reluctant to compel TV stations to provide universal service at all.

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    6. Re:Digital broadcast by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 5, Funny

      Exactly. It should have included a car, somewhere.

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    7. Re:Digital broadcast by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You forgot to finish your sentence:

      TV still has an important advantage over the PC. It is not generally related to work at all, can be restricted to a pure entertainment level, requires no brain effort, has a remote control and is generally placed just in front of the most comfortable armchairs and sofas in the house...although more and more of these TVs have desktops, laptops, iPods, Tivos, Wiis, Xboxes, PS3s or other computer-like devices connected to them most of the time.

      This isn't a case of either/or. It's a case of TV having lost a long time ago.

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    8. Re:Digital broadcast by porcupine8 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Most stations are doubling (or more) the power of their digital signal once they drop the analog signal - but of course, thanks to Congress, in many places that won't happen for a while. But once it does this should at least be less of a problem for most people. I can't get digital CBS right now, despite living right within the Chicago city limits. They admit right on their webpage that most people won't be able to get it without an outdoor antenna til June.

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    9. Re:Digital broadcast by Slumdog · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's possibly the worst analogy I've ever read.....

      A bad analogy is like a leaky screwdriver.

    10. Re:Digital broadcast by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I work in media and the future is in real HD content in RSS streams that can be subscribed to NOT the utter crap that is Youtube or anything like that.

      Automatic subscription to my content that my equipment can collect. and I can view at my leisure. Every person I show that model WANTS that model and not the sift through garbage to find what I want model that is Youtube or the other current systems.

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    11. Re:Digital broadcast by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Right - I agree. And it's just a matter of time till Tivo or some company like them will make a Tivo that doesn't actually record anything but just downloads it. Then you can cancel your cable bill and pay more for your Tivo subscription, but what you'll get is a huge Tivo full of the sort of stuff you like, in HD. Every time you plop down in front of "the tube" it will look just like TV, except with micro-targeted ads. It will even have a "personal broadcast" mode so that you can flip channels between various arrangements of the stuff on your Tivo. It's like "custom channels made specifically for you."

      That stuff will be interspersed with "breaking news" and local shit that the Tivo algorithm suspects you will find relevant.

    12. Re:Digital broadcast by Firethorn · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I LIVE in a 'snowy broadcast' area. My new LCD TV has the digital channels perfectly clear, while the analog channels show lots of artifacts. I'd even rate one of the stations that did a flash-cut as 'unwatchable' before the transition, is now perfectly clear at 1080i.

      Are you sure that you're not comparing the lower power temporary digital channels against the old full power analog? Many stations are transmitting both, but the digital station at a tenth or less of the power.

      When they finally turn off the analog stations, most are going to put their digital broadcast on the original station at the old power.

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    13. Re:Digital broadcast by ShakaUVM · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >>I suspect digital broadcast TV is going to swing the pendulum back a bit.

      No way! The summary says that "Facebook killed TV", and I have to agree.

      Sitting there staring at my screen for hours waiting for my friends to update is a hundred times more preferable to watching Sister, Sister or 90210.

    14. Re:Digital broadcast by westlake · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Digital broadcast TV is a huge disappointment in my book. With analog TV, bad reception results in some snow on the screen. Programs are still perfectly viewable because there are no frame dropouts, and the audio is still there.

      Anyone who grew up with analog TV knows better.

      You lost sound.

      You lost horizontal and vertical sync. You had snow and you had ghosts. Color introduced you to whole new levels of pain.

      The solution to bad reception was a good antenna.

      Dad brought out the forty foot ladder to mount a big Winegard on the roof. You watched him drive a ground stake in with a sledge until his face turned purple.

      Your neighbor who clung to his rabbit ears as "good enough" was full of it then - and he is full of it now.

      However, the programs still suck

      The Boston Symphony in live performance New Year's Eve does not suck. The Leafs and Sabres in overtime - also broadcast in 1080i - does not suck.

      This is the experience YouTube can't deliver.

  16. Re:mythtv killed TV by MichaelSmith · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A bigger impact is the people (like me and my friends) that don't buy or consume any TV at all, and hasn't for years.

    Its hard to analyse because we are all changing, getting older and losing our spare time. TV may well be undergoing a race to the bottom as their best customers go to other media, they lose advertisers, pay less for content and lose more customers.

    Some of it (kids TV) seems exactly the same now, but my son gets that on youtube as well. The repetition may be getting to us. Most of the content is rehashed year after year. Maybe TV has been done.

  17. Not piracy by an.echte.trilingue · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now yes, from a strict legal point of view, I've no doubt that still counts of piracy.

    IANAL, but I believe that unless it happens on the high seas and involves forcefully robbing or commandeering a vessel, from a strict legal point of view it is not piracy.

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  18. The real problem... by argent · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Television? The word is half Greek and half Latin. No good will come of this device." - Charles Prestwich Scott, 1936.

  19. Odd... I always thought the reason TV lost was... by Doug52392 · · Score: 3, Informative

    ... Reality TV.

  20. Sigh by The+Living+Fractal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Oh my! How clever and powerful, three words that explain the death of TV! BRILLIANT! /sarcasm Well I have three words in return: "You are wrong."

    I'll agree with this when I can only get my favorite shows through Facebook, and when if I want to sit down and casually surf the channels I have to do more than press a single button.

    Nothing compares to being able to flop onto the couch, press the "On" button on a television remote, and immediately have my regularly scheduled prime time show on the screen.

    Show me any computer setup that can have my show on the screen in the time it takes for me to get home tired from work, toss my shoes off, plop on the couch and just press "on" one time to be where I want to be.

    Some of you resourceful nerds out there probably have such a setup, but I will offer two things preemptively to respond to that:

    1) You are not nearly the norm, most people don't want the hassle of setting something like that up, and,
    2) Even if they did, what does this have to do with Facebook again?

    Please excuse my french, but seriously, the statement "Facebook killed TV" is just fucking stupid.

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  21. You Got Your Blinders On by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 5, Insightful

    TV will hang on for a while yet, as will newspapers, and as will the odd brick and mortar game or music store, but the end is nigh for all of these things.

    The problem here is that we are the technical elete, and many of us have blinders on that prevent us from seeing the significant number of people who do not have these types of computer based solutions, nor want them. As long as they exist and keep sending money to Jesus and buying things as seen on TV, TV the way we know it now will continue to exist. Too much money in it.

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    1. Re:You Got Your Blinders On by spasm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You could have said the same thing about the web in 1995 - I was 'technical elite'; my parents saw no point whatsoever in paying for modem dialup for that interweb thing. 10 years later, my parents see always-on broadband as a basic essential of life just as I do.

      Right now, I'm (allegedly) the 'technical elite' in that I watch what little TV programming I watch online without ads and can't remember the last time I bought a physical music CD; my parents don't see the point of internet-delivered TV and still feel the need to 'own' a physical CD when they buy music. In ten years..

  22. facebook killed TV? by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I more or less agree with the summary up until it claimed Facebook killed TV. Of all the reasons I don't watch TV, face book isn't on that list and I suspect that's the case for most.

    I would agree with the idea that piracy did a lot more to kill TV but it's also people's lack of care about quality. I think both digital audio and video has been a bit of a step backwards in quality (for the most part) and that's a shame.

    I'm sure companies like that because they can offer the same music in a better bit-rate later and people will buy the music again and not realise the quality may still be inferior to the CD they could have bought instead and they could have created their own DRM free mp3s. The same goes for video.

    1. Re:facebook killed TV? by SkOink · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Uhh... what? You think that digital audio and video is a step back in quality from analog? Perhaps you would like to compare and contrast VHS with DVD. Or perhaps records versus CDs (the kind from the 80's when they first came out, not the heavily compressed and mastered kind that is produced today). Digital distribution is definitely the way to go. Perhaps you are actually frustrated over the bit rate of internet-distributed media, not the inherent fact that it's a digital medium.

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  23. Digital VOD. by Ostracus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Lovely. Ala carte eventually came about.

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