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Old Computers Resurrected As Instruments At Bletchley Park

arcticstoat writes with a snippet from bit-tech.com; musician Matthew Applegate "plans on assembling a virtual orchestra of 20 retired relics of computing at the National Museum of Computing at Bletchley Park. The choice of venue will even allow Applegate to feature the infamous Colossus Mark 2 computer in the event, which was used for code-breaking in World War II and was recently reconstructed at Bletchley Park in 2007. ... A wide selection of computing fossils be used in Applegate's final musical presentation, which is called 'Obsolete?' This includes the Elliot 803 (a 1960s machine with 4KB of memory), the aforementioned Colossus Mark 2, a Bunsviga adding machine (pictured) and a punch card machine. As well as this, there are also some machines that will look nostalgically familiar to kids who grew up with the home computer generation, including a BBC Micro, an Atari 800XL, a Dragon 32 and an Amstrad CPC464." The article's list of the members of this "orchestra" makes an interesting checklist of computer hardware history.

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  1. Awesome by GMonkeyLouie · · Score: 5, Funny

    I fully approve. It's definitely time to rethink what obsolescence means, and this musical presentation seems like it will be amazing from an angle of reimagining what old computers are really for.

    I will take my kids to see it and tell them that when I'm old, I want them to arrange me in a formation with other old people and make us all make beautiful coincidental sounds that could be construed as music.

    1. Re:Awesome by Mr.+Bad+Example · · Score: 4, Funny

      > I want them to arrange me in a formation with other old people and
      > make us all make beautiful coincidental sounds that could be construed as music.

      Might I suggest Bach's "Get Off My Lawn and Fugue in D Minor"?

    2. Re:Awesome by pwainwright · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Damn, that'll teach me not to throw out obsolete stuff. I wrote a simple piece of music software for my Amstrad CPC464 back in the mid-eighties. It took input from the keyboard (using shift/ctrl for sharp and flat, if I recall), displayed musical notation on screen and played it through the primitive sound chip.

      I eventually got it to play one of Bach's 48 (preludes & fugues). I seem to recall that it had 4 channels, so could cope with the 4-part counterpoint pretty well. The sound chip was horrible, but if you specified a rapidly decaying envelope it could sound very roughly like a plunckety-plunk "harpsichord".

      All gone now: It was stored on one of Alan Sugar's ridiculous 3 inch disks (not 3 1/2 or 5 1/4, and entirely proprietary to his toy computers).

  2. NO! Not Colossus! by jackb_guppy · · Score: 3, Funny

    Poor Forbin! He will be locked up alnight with that sex female computer scientist.

    1. Re:NO! Not Colossus! by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 5, Informative

      Poor Forbin! He will be locked up alnight with that sex female computer scientist.

      Parent is a reference to Colossus: The Forbin Project.

      You young whippersnappers that modded the parent off-topic can get off of my lawn now.

  3. Huh? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As well as this, there are also some machines that will look nostalgically familiar to kids who grew up with the home computer generation, including a BBC Micro, an Atari 800XL, a Dragon 32 and an Amstrad CPC464.

    What, no Apple ][?

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    1. Re:Huh? by lokedhs · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The Apple II was never big in Europe. The above-mentioned machines were much bigger back then. In fact, even though I was raised with computers during that time, I have never actually seen an Apple II in real life. The others, however, are very familiar to me.

    2. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The Apple II was never big in Europe. The above-mentioned machines were much bigger back then. In fact, even though I was raised with computers during that time, I have never actually seen an Apple II in real life. The others, however, are very familiar to me.

      Oh, I understand that, but the Apple ][ predates most of the others and is worthy of an historical footnote. Besides, if they want to limit this to European brands, they should remove the Atari from the list as well.

    3. Re:Huh? by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 2, Informative

      Aside from the Atari 800XL, the other computers were practically unknown in the U.S. Well, the Amstrad wasn't unknown, but the Amstrad never gained a significant following.

      The Apple II was one of the best selling "home computers," along with the Commodore 64 and 128 and (later) the Commodore Amiga line.

      FWIW, I've never seen an Atari 800XL IRL, either. ;) (But I have seen the Amstrad).

      I think the reason the Amstrad never caught on in the U.S. is because it was released in 1984, well after the CP/M and the Z80 were considered 'dead'. By that time, the IBM PC and PC/XT and its clones had pretty much taken over the business market and was making significant inroads at home, the Apple II owned the home and education markets, and the Mac had just debuted and was considered one of the coolest new machines ever. Then a year later, you had the 16-bit Atari ST and the Commodore Amiga, along with the the 16-bit IBM PC/AT and EGA graphics, the Amstrad CPC and it's puny 8-bit processor and limited memory just didn't stack up.

    4. Re:Huh? by jacquesm · · Score: 3, Informative

      The bbc micro sat in a yellow injection moulded plastic case.

      It had no 'expansion slots', but it did have several connectors at the edge of the pcb that you could use for expansion (berg connectors).

      These included:

      - printer port
      - the 'tube', a bi-directional link for a second processor
      - the user port
      - the 1Mhz bus.

      Internally there were a number of option rom sockets, which with some trickery could be used for a ram expansion (bank switched 16 k windows).

      There were no 'slots' of any kind.

      I'm not sure which computer you are referring to here but I have never seen a bbc model b encased in anything other than plastic unless it was done as a custom job.

    5. Re:Huh? by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 2, Informative
      As someone who did development for Apple ][ add-on hardware in the UK, I can tell you the APPLE ][ was HUGE in the UK. its penetration of the business market was incredible, because you could not run a business without Visicalc if the competition had it.

      Only businesses with a PDP11 or DG Nova did not need an Apple ][, The Apple ][ cost about GBP100 and used about 30W, while a PDP11 or DG Nova cost at least GBP10,000, and used about 30kW.

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    6. Re:Huh? by wwwillem · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Internally there were a number of option rom sockets, which with some trickery could be used for a ram expansion (bank switched 16 k windows).

      I designed and built an expansion board for these 12 additional (4 on the motherboard) bank switched ROMs. I sold 100 of those (as a kit) in Holland. Must have been 1983/84. I still have one of these lying on the desk in my basement. :-) Sweet memories....

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    7. Re:Huh? by wwwillem · · Score: 2, Informative

      Wrong!! The BBC Micro had a 6502, just like the Apple ][ or the Commodore 64.

      The successor of the BBC Micro was the Acorn Archimedes, based on a RISC CPU developed by Acorn. This chip is the one that later became the ARM chip, now found in many phones and PDAs.

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  4. Infamous? by Brett+Buck · · Score: 4, Informative

    Why is the Colossus "infamous"? It's famous, and it's use saved thousands of lives and shortened the war.

            Brett

    1. Re:Infamous? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Funny

      Why is the Colossus "infamous"? It's famous, and it's use saved thousands of lives and shortened the war.

      Brett

      Possibly the submitter is German.

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    2. Re:Infamous? by Fishchip · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's infamous. You know, -more- than famous.

    3. Re:Infamous? by Soulshift · · Score: 2, Funny

      Like how inflammable is more than... flammable?

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    4. Re:Infamous? by pushing-robot · · Score: 2, Funny

      Why is the Colossus "infamous"? It's famous, and it's use saved thousands of lives and shortened the war.

      Because of that one time it took over the world.

      Sheesh, kids these days. No knowledge of history.

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    5. Re:Infamous? by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Possibly the submitter is German.

      No, if the submitter was German, he would be complaining about the lack of recognition for Konrad Zuse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konrad_Zuse.

      And no, I had never heard of him either, until I visited Germany.

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  5. a bit more useful by johnjones · · Score: 4, Informative
  6. Symphony for Dot Matrix Printers by eyrieowl · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I highly recommend "The Symphony for Dot Matrix Printers", by The User. You can find it on eMusic I think (probably elsewhere as well). It's like being in the computer lab of yore, but with style. :)

    1. Re:Symphony for Dot Matrix Printers by Vectronic · · Score: 2, Informative
  7. music by nnet · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm guessing this won't be a progressive rock thing....

  8. Re:Can they run Linux? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... and do they boot it faster than Vista on current PCs?

    Speaking as a former Atari 800XL owner, no. In fact, it got to a point where you could memorize the exact pattern of beepbeeeepbeenbeepbeeeeenbeepbeepbebp..*drive rev.. drive rev*...*beep beeeeep been beeeeen beep...*... and have your own little internal count-down. And, on top of that, it booted into the app you were using. Wanna start another app? Turn off machine, insert new disk, turn it on and hold down the Option key.

    In short: your quip was incredibly cheap and utterly unfunny to anybody who actually knows anything about the topic.

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  9. a dragon 32 :) ? by jacquesm · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I had one of those beasts, it was a british clone of the TRS-80 color computer.

    6809, the 32k of ram was actually 64k and if you fiddled a bit with the memory controller you could copy the rom to ram and modify the code. Quite a nice little computer!

    I wished someone would keep such a line of machines alive for kids today to learn how to code on. There is absolutely no way you're going to completely 'grok' that machine on your desktop, one of these small machines you actually stand a chance.

    Best school I ever had...

  10. Sinclair Machines by turgid · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm more surprised there are no Sinclair machines in the orchestra (ZX81, ZX Spectrum) since they were what drove the home computer revolution of the early 80s in the UK.

    The ZX81 was incredibly primitive in order to get its price below £100. I think it was the first ever computer you could buy for under £100. It had no colour and no sound, 1k of RAM in its base configuration and 8k of ROM that managed to include some very useful floating-point maths!

    There was a hack you could do to in machine code get sound out of it. The cassette interface, for loading and saving programs to tape, made its way to the TV set. It was a bit in an IO register. The CPU was responsible for the TV display, so the screen went funny black and white patterns when it was doing tape IO. Usually you had the TV sound turned off. You could write precise timing loops in machine code to toggle the bit and to generate musical notes.

    There was a ZX80/81 machine code book by Toni Baker which had a program to do this. You could play the ZX81 like a piano. The program was only a few hundred bytes long.

    The Spectrum took this idea a bit further. The screen was generated by the ULA, so the processor could do sound and tape IO without harming the display. Sound was a single channel through a tiny build in loud-speaker which was modulated using a single bit of an IO register... very similar to tape IO :-)

    The Spectrum 128 which came out years later, had an AY-3-8192 3-channel sound chip in addition to the beeper :-)

  11. Oblig. Sam and Max by perlith · · Score: 2, Interesting
  12. Pictured? by Binestar · · Score: 2, Funny

    This includes the Elliot 803 (a 1960s machine with 4KB of memory), the aforementioned Colossus Mark 2, a Bunsviga adding machine (pictured) and a punch card machine.

    I read the slashdot summary and I have to say, the Bunsviga adding machine looks a lot like a grounding plug.

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  13. There are 3 valid spellings for "Elliott" by Locke2005 · · Score: 2, Informative

    This includes the Elliot 803
    I think you mean the Elliott 803 You're welcome.

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  14. Apple II was sold in UK, but not in great numbers by Dogtanian · · Score: 2, Informative

    Apple II's were sold over here, they were just not that prevalent.

    Yes; the UK hospital my Dad worked at had Apple IIs, but this was one of the few (if only) places I saw them in the UK. Had I not seen them there, it's quite possible that I'd never have seen one at all.

    They actually sold Euro-specific versions; reading this I find out that (supposedly) these were mono-only (yuk!) because the smart but NTSC-specific hack Woz used to get crude colour on the original didn't work with PAL.

    This explains why my Dad (who used the things quite extensively) was never aware that the Apple II was supposedly capable of colour. I found this surprising, even allowing for the fact that all the ones at the hospital only had green-screen monitors.

    I suspect that since the Euro Apples were mono only (regardless of what they were plugged into), references to any colour facilities would have been removed from the manuals. (Assuming they left the firmware relating to the U.S. colour facilities in the ROM for compatibility).

    Anyway, I'd guess that the combination of high imported prices and reduced spec hurt its European popularity initially- and that as a result it wouldn't have achieved the critical mass and network effects required to ensure continued popularity in the face of newer and better-specified computers (unlike in the U.S.).

    I mean, I don't know how much the Apple II was circa 1981/82, but I doubt that it would have been cheaper than the somewhat high-end and better-specified BBC Micro. And in the absence of any significant pre-existing support for the Apple, I know which one I'd have gone for.

    I've got an Apple III as well and they are even rarer - didn't know they existed until I was given one instead of the owner dumping it.

    I don't know when he dumped it, but I'd assume that any Apple IIIs are rare enough to be worth a bit now...?

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