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Posted by CmdrTaco on Thursday March 12, 2009 @03:05AM from the something-to-think-about dept.

Jamie gave me a nice writeup of a mashup where the writer shares some random youtube mashup video that you maybe have seen before called the Mother of all Funk Chords. It's a pretty amazing artistic achievement and probably worth at least a quick glance of your time. But the larger point should be taken seriously. He says "If your reaction to this crate of magic is 'Hm. I wonder how we'd go about suing someone who "did this" with our IP?' instead of, 'Holy crap, clearly, this is the freaking future of entertainment,' it's probably time to put some ramen on your Visa and start making stuff up for your LinkedIn page. Because, this is what your new Elvis looks like."

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Um, what? by spiffyman · 2009-03-12 03:09 · Score: 5, Insightful

it's probably time to put some ramen on your Visa and start making stuff up for your LinkedIn page.
Can anyone explain what the hell this means?

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1. Re:Um, what? by eln · 2009-03-12 03:11 · Score: 5, Funny
  
  it's probably time to put some ramen on your Visa and start making stuff up for your LinkedIn page.
  Can anyone explain what the hell this means?
  I think it means CmdrTaco is off his meds again.
2. Re:Um, what? by Spazztastic · 2009-03-12 03:13 · Score: 4, Funny
  
  it's probably time to put some ramen on your Visa and start making stuff up for your LinkedIn page.
  Can anyone explain what the hell this means?
  I'm guessing the writer thinks that the diet of the readers is Ramen, so we should go buy it at 10 cents per package with financing and work on some mashups? Last time I bought Ramen noodles it came to be less than $5, and most small places don't allow charges under that to be put on plastic.
  
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3. Re:Um, what? by bigbigbison · 2009-03-12 03:14 · Score: 5, Informative
  
  it took me a while to figure it out too. I think he means that you should buy a bunch of cheap food on your credit card and put some lies on your resume (or LinkedIn profile) because you are going to be out of a job soon
  
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4. Re:Um, what? by ProppaT · 2009-03-12 03:19 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  The whole write up was stupid. I think that he was implying that you're getting old and need to get with the times. The whole "this is your new Elvis" is a little sensationalist. This is no different than hip hop producers who've been mixing stuff for 30 years, it's just progressed over the years from mixing vinyl, using samplers, using computer, using computers to mash up songs, to mixing youtube videos now. It's not revolutionary, it's the natural progression.
  Once in a while a transition in media is made quickly enough to where one person gets pegged as reinventing or revolutionizing the art. This is not that.
  
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5. Re:Um, what? by stoolpigeon · 2009-03-12 03:22 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  not if one is a hipster doofus.
  I'll confess it threw me for a minute, but I grinned once I put it together. It's a tad clever, if a bit awkward.
  I think the guy is completely wrong about this being marketable - but hey, everybody is entitled to their own opinion and style. I think this is getting a lot of attention right now because it's novel and it obviously wasn't easy mixing it all together. But pull away from that and judge it purely as music - it isn't that great.
  
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6. Re:Um, what? by ShieldW0lf · 2009-03-12 03:23 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  Where can I buy tickets to their live show?
  
  Funk isn't something you admire while you're sitting alone in front of a computer, it's something you groove to with a scotch on the rocks in your hand while surrounded by a bunch of classy ladies who like to shake what their momma gave them. The band isn't there to perform something they conceived in a dark room, they're there to play the crowd, to react and interact with the people as they get excited, antsy, tired, etc.
  
  If this is the future of music, then the future is bleak indeed.
  
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7. Re:Um, what? by Spazztastic · 2009-03-12 03:26 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  If this is the future of music, then the future is bleak indeed.
  That bleak future is here when American Idol has the highest ratings and even the ones who get disqualified within one week of the premiere get record deals. Have you taken a stroll through the CD store and seen the mainstream music? It's almost as bad as Nickleback.
  
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8. Re:Um, what? by fastest+fascist · 2009-03-12 03:52 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  Hence "off his meds".
9. Re:Um, what? by 2names · 2009-03-12 04:01 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  Nothing is as bad as Nickelback.
  
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10. Re:Um, what? by hairyfeet · 2009-03-12 04:04 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  The problem is with today's lawsuit society WE don't get to decide if it is good or not. Just take DJ Danger Mouse and the Grey Album. Nowadays you can't do ANY cool sampling or make any mixups without being sued by 50 bloodsucking leeches in suits. If we don't push to reform the insane copyrights and patent laws then the ONLY music we will end up with is some "corporate approved" American Idol style crap, because they will be the only ones that can fight off the wave of lawsuits put out by the trolls whenever they see somebody making money. Do we REALLY want that as the future?
  
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11. Re:Um, what? by iminplaya · 2009-03-12 04:05 · Score: 5, Funny
  
  You can buy CDs with music already on them?
  
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12. Re:Um, what? by Kokuyo · 2009-03-12 04:11 · Score: 4, Funny
  
  For your viewing... ah... pleasure?
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt2JhuXMRMk this is what Deutschland sucht den Superstar has brought forth.
13. Re:Um, what? by geminidomino · 2009-03-12 04:44 · Score: 4, Funny
  
  what's next, porn mashups from videos of people writhing around naked and alone in front of their webcams?
  
  Actually, that was first
14. Re:Um, what? by Mr.+Slippery · 2009-03-12 05:09 · Score: 5, Interesting
  
  The band isn't there to perform something they conceived in a dark room, they're there to play the crowd, to react and interact with the people as they get excited, antsy, tired, etc.
  
  Go listen to Frank Zappa and the Mother's 1966 "Return of the Son of Monster Magnet", one of the most groundbreaking tracks of the twentieth century. It's "what freaks sound like when you turn them loose in a recording studio at one o'clock in the morning on $500 worth of rented percussion equipment" -- pretty much something they conceived in a dark room.
  I'm pretty sure that Beethoven, Mozart, et. al. conceived some of their music in dark rooms.
  Yes, live improvised music, or composed music varied in response to the crowd, is great too. But the fact that live stuff can be great doesn't preclude stuff conceived in a dark room by artists working alone also being great.
  
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15. Re:Um, what? by Anonymous Coward · 2009-03-12 05:11 · Score: 4, Funny
  
  You owe me a new brain.
16. Re:Um, what? by The+Grim+Reefer2 · 2009-03-12 05:29 · Score: 4, Funny
  
  That would be an awesome video if Technoviking showed up in the first five seconds and kicked his ass. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1nzEFMjkI4
17. Re:Um, what? by n4f · 2009-03-12 05:31 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  Why does every band have to "push the envelope" or develop something "experimental" in order to not be called worthless corporate drones. Perhaps Metallica are popular because they make good music? It doesn't matter if it isn't genre defining or something 100% original. Its fun to listen to and I have a blast every time I see one of their shows. Metallica is just one example I used because you mention it in your post, but the same goes for a lot of mainstream bands.
  What I hate are music snobs that think anything "indie" is god's gift to music, and anything you can buy from a record store is trash. I've heard plenty of indie and local bands who are absolute crap, but people insist that they're "awesome and misunderstood by the mainstream."
  Just for the record, I love all kinds of music, both indie, local, and mainstream. Just because a band is able to sell millions of records does not in and of itself make it crap.
18. Re:Um, what? by noidentity · 2009-03-12 05:55 · Score: 5, Funny
  
  You can buy CDs with music already on them?
  Yeah but the guy who burns them has like never heard of mp3s. He burns them as uncompressed WAV files or something, so you only get like 78 minutes per disc. On the plus side, he has a badass label printer.
19. Re:Um, what? by Kazoo+the+Clown · 2009-03-12 06:00 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  Funk isn't something you admire while you're sitting alone in front of a computer, it's something you groove to with a scotch on the rocks in your hand while surrounded by a bunch of classy ladies who like to shake what their momma gave them. The band isn't there to perform something they conceived in a dark room, they're there to play the crowd, to react and interact with the people as they get excited, antsy, tired, etc.
  I'm sorry to break your balloon, but not everyone likes to listen to music in small clubs. Even those who like Funk (which would include me, BTW). I understand the crowd-rapport thing, but that only works if the audience is <300 IMHO (well, it may work for the BAND, but it doesn't work for me as an audience member). But in the smaller venues, usually the music is 1) too loud for the acoustics in the room &/or their PA system, 2) crowded full of drunk idiots (and at one time or in some places, drunk and smoking idiots), and 3) was accompanied by expensive parking in bad part of town & cover charge. If that's your idea of the future of music, I don't want any part of it.
  
  On the other hand, the last concert I went to was free, was at the local University music department, the sound system was right for the room and adjusted properly, and I got to sit really close without having to climb over drunk jerks (or vice versa) in the process. Parking wasn't cheap, but that's all the two venues had in common. It was for these guys.. Not exactly Funk, I grant you. But somehow I don't think they are particularly threatened by the competition from YouTube mashups.
  
  But I don't go out for music all that often, as it's rare that a group I actually want to see will be in a venue I would want to go to. I don't care for the big mainstream bands that would book huge concerts, but the smaller bands tend to end up in crappy clubs that you couldn't pay me to visit. So, mashups like the one in TFA provide at least, some entertainment value now and then. But I'm over 50 so maybe that explains my low tolerance for aggregations of 20-something dipshits.
  
  Plus, I like a lot of electronica, which often sounds a lot better on my own tuned up home sound system than in public venues.
20. Re:Um, what? by Bemopolis · 2009-03-12 06:09 · Score: 4, Interesting
  
  It ain't just the chords. Proof. "Best" listened to with headphones.
  
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21. Re:Um, what? by FiloEleven · 2009-03-12 06:32 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  Unfortunately, it often seems that Christian musicians put all of the time and effort into the message, and aren't particularly concerned about the musical wrapper, thereby creating music that is often, well, bland.
  
  That is because most CCM that gets picked up only gets picked up because it sounds like whatever is being played on mainstream radio. You get an imitation of already bland music with
  s/(girl|woman|baby)/Jesus/g
  There's some good stuff out there. One of my favorite bands, even after ditching CCM and most of Christianity, is Burlap to Cashmere, a Mediterranean-flavored group with very poetic lyrics and great arrangements. Even DC Talk turned into something special, albeit very much a studio product, with the albums Jesus Freak and Supernatural.
  The primary reason CCM sucks is precisely because it is mostly imitative: it's a microcosm where the barrier for entry is set low because if it were up to mainstream standards (which doesn't set the bar very high to begin with) there wouldn't be enough acts to sustain the industry. Christian artists (which really means "artists on Christian labels") are also subject to "The Jesus Quota," wherein an album won't be released unless it mentions Jesus at least five times or what have you. Additionally, since Christian music is viewed as a reversal of mainstream music, very few artists are willing to talk about the negative experiences that they have as Christians: being friendless at a church, feeling hopeless due to an external situation, doubting God or some aspect of God, etc. These are things that nearly every Christian has to deal with at one time or another but they are not often represented in music, hence the shallowness of the lyrical content.
  
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22. Re:Um, what? by numbski · 2009-03-12 06:32 · Score: 4, Informative
  
  Nope. A Nickelback is a football term. Typically on defense you'll have what is called a "7 man front" comprised of either 4 defensive linemen and 3 linebackers (4-3 base defense, think Chicago Bears) or reverse, 3 defensive linemen and 4 linebackers (think Baltimore Ravens). Since you can have 11 men on the field at a time, that leaves you with 4 players, called "Defensive Backs". Typically two cornerbacks, one on either side of the field ~ 5 yards off the line of scrimmage covering the wide receivers, and 2 safeties, again, on either side of the field, anywhere from 10-20 yards off the line of scrimmage. Largely they're out there for pass coverage, but safeties will sneak up into the "box" (the 7 man front) to give you "8 men in the box".
  Okay, so what does this have to do with anything? Well - if you suspect a play might be a passing down, you can trade one of your linebackers out for an additional defensive back. So now you have a 6 man front, but you have 5 defensive backs. That fifth defensive back is referred to as the "Nickel Back", because the formation is referred to as a "Nickel Package".
  As an FYI, if you absolutely positively KNOW it's a passing down, you can opt to trade yet another linebacker for another defensive back, giving you 6 defensive backs, and that is (predictably) called a "Dime Package". That last defensive back could be referred to as the Dime Back, but that term is rarely used.
  
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23. Re:Um, what? by stewbacca · 2009-03-12 07:00 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  Nah, I was just pointing out the pretension in your post is so thick that maybe you should sit back and reflect, and think, hmmm, maybe Radiohead isn't as universally excepted as great as I think. This is especially true when you trash relatively mainstream (and not horrible) acts like Metallica. Radiohead, for the record, is not their own genre. There were bands before them (U2) and bands after them (Coldplay) that are pretty much the same exact genre. For the record, I play blues bars gigs for beer/free/tips. Am I not a real artist because I play 50 year old covers all night? So you, sir, are welcome to "shut up with that crap", whatever that means, and feel free to keep your opinions about what "real" musicians are to your self, if you aren't willing to at least hear other people's takes on what that means.
24. Re:Um, what? by Voyager529 · 2009-03-12 10:24 · Score: 4, Informative
  
  the band named themselves when a cup of Starbucks coffee was $1.45. People would hand them $1.50, and the result would be that the customer got a nickel back. That's the way I heard it, anyway.
Mashups by Spazztastic · 2009-03-12 03:09 · Score: 5, Insightful

I don't speak for most people, but I personally can't stand mashups. I don't find anything entertaining about it, there's maybe three I've heard out of all that have been good. It falls into the same group as artists like 50 cent taking "Crazy Train" and putting it into a song as background vocals or whoever did the same to "Riders on the storm."
In short, get off my lawn!

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1. Re:Mashups by MightyYar · 2009-03-12 03:21 · Score: 4, Informative
  
  I don't like them much either, but this isn't like, "Michael Jackson Thriller vs. Enya Watermark" or some other odd thing... if you watch TFV(ideo), he takes a collection of single-instrument tracks from other YouTube videos and mixes them all together to make a Funk song. It's pretty neat, though I have to confess to liking funk.
  
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2. Re:Mashups by Swampash · 2009-03-12 03:23 · Score: 5, Informative
  
  Have you listened to these ones? They are good. REALLY good. Not just "clever" but really frickin' good COMPOSITIONS, and I'm not even taking into account the jaw-dropping editing skills this guy must have. If you haven't watched yet: http://www.thru-you.com/
3. Re:Mashups by dkleinsc · 2009-03-12 03:54 · Score: 5, Funny
  
  Without mashups, we'd all be able to touch M.C. Hammer.
  
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But without copyright protections... by Reality+Master+201 · 2009-03-12 03:10 · Score: 5, Funny

nobody would ever produce music, art, or literature. Which is also why works need to be protected for a century or longer.
1. Re:But without copyright protections... by agnosticanarch · 2009-03-12 03:14 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  nobody would ever produce music, art, or literature. Which is also why works need to be protected for a century or longer.
  This is, of course, why no one ever produced any music, art, or literature before copyright protection was in place. *ahem*
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2. Re:But without copyright protections... by pla · 2009-03-12 04:37 · Score: 5, Interesting
  
  Future generations will look back on this time in history and wonder why the recording industry was so hot to protect top 40 crap-pop.
  
  Probably not. I suspect future generations will look back and ask, wide-eyed, "Wow, they could just steal arbitrary two-note sequences from other artists dead less than the full millennium required by Disney? Didn't they worry about getting the death penalty?"
Ice ice baby by BadAnalogyGuy · 2009-03-12 03:10 · Score: 5, Funny

Theirs goes, 'ding ding ding dingy ding-ding.' Ours goes, 'ding ding ding ding dingy ding-ding.'
The future of entertainment seems so old (so old).
1. Re:Ice ice baby by Samschnooks · 2009-03-12 03:25 · Score: 5, Funny
  
  Thanks a lot! Now I have the bass line from Ice Ice Baby going through my head!
  Pay back:
  The Oscar Meyer Weiner song. "Oh, I wish I were an Oscar Mayer Weiner ..."
  Or "Who wear's short shorts..."
  God, if you say, "What?" I've never heard of those." I'll have to put this onion back on my belt. Because that was the style when I was growing up. Right after the Vietnam War. Ford was President and this Peanut farmer from Georgia was running against him, Chevy Chase loved to make fun of Ford on that new show "Live on Saturday Night". Taxes were....
  What were we talking about again?
2. Re:Ice ice baby by Bemopolis · 2009-03-12 03:31 · Score: 4, Funny
  
  "Ice wish Ice were an Oscar short-shorts baby..."
  
  DJ Bemopolis Out. Peeaccceee!!
  
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Gasp by Quiet_Desperation · 2009-03-12 03:27 · Score: 5, Funny

it's probably time to put some ramen on your Visa and start making stuff up for your LinkedIn page. Because, this is what your new Elvis looks like
Right! Wait. What?
Awesome. by Jafafa+Hots · 2009-03-12 03:28 · Score: 4, Interesting

I write music... well, modest little piano pieces. I haven't uploaded any videos of me playing to youtube (yet), but I would be THRILLED to find that my stuff had been reworked into something like this.
Then again, I have considered issuing my tunes as open source (there's some places to do that online.)

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You thought wrong by langelgjm · 2009-03-12 03:32 · Score: 4, Informative

I thought if one is using 10secs (I'm unsure if there is a real number or duration) of any video, song, or literature it is not 'reproducing' or distributing IP or copyright, but Fair Use, and therefore not against a civil or criminal law.
You thought wrong. This is commonly thrown around /. as if it's gospel, but the fact is there's no magic number that qualifies something as fair use.
Traditionally, the fair use defense is based on four factors, one of which is the "amount" or "substantiality" of the work that's infringed. That language is as murky as it sounds. The movie 12 Monkeys got in trouble for showing less than a minute of a weird looking chair, and if things hadn't been worked out, it could have been enjoined from distribution. If you're unlucky enough to have infringed the "heart" of the work, even if it's only 5% overall, you might not have a fair use defense.
There are a number of cases that involve sampling, and the way things have gone, it seems that the current consensus is "license it, or don't sample." Hell, even if you do license, you might not be off the hook - remember the whole "Bittersweet Symphony" debacle?
It's unfortunate, but this is the current state of things.

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Re:Nice link, not by BadAnalogyGuy · 2009-03-12 03:35 · Score: 4, Funny

We try not to use that kind of insensitive wording anymore.
You mean "words of ethnic descent".
Call me a Luddite by Gothmolly · 2009-03-12 03:47 · Score: 5, Insightful

But the future of entertainment is not a 320x240 flash video with a "mashup" of random songs.

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Re:Nice link, not by L4t3r4lu5 · 2009-03-12 03:50 · Score: 5, Funny

Hi, Bureau of Political Insanity here. I'm afraid your phrase "words of ethnic descent" is no longer the preferred phrase. We believe that this is still too much of a segregation between "words of ethnic descent" and "words of non-ethnic descent."

From now on all words, regardless of hue, palette, or Pantone reference, shall simply be refered to as "words." For instance, these words are just words, they are not "coloured words", "words of ethnic descent", or "words which have been highlighted because they signify something different to any other word. They are just as useful as the other words, and we applaud their contribution to society without at all decreasing the contributions from all other words, regardless of origin."

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EMERGENCY BROADCAST NETWORK by unclepedro · 2009-03-12 04:06 · Score: 5, Informative

Don't get me wrong, I think this kind of stuff is AWESOME. But it's not novel.
Emergency Broadcast Network was doing this kind of stuff in the early 90s, and released a record, Telecommunication Breakdown, that was all made in this style. They even wrote software to do it, and U2 had them do the ZooTV footage for one of their 1990s tours (including the alternate "Numb" video with machinery.) There are videos online. Their work was also a critique of the role of media, marketing, broadcast media, etc., so there was an extra political layer in there.
That said, I think the remixing of video samples in the same way that we remixed audio samples in the past is definitely an obvious (yet delicious) advance in the way we make music... or video... or art or whatever you want to call it.
Here's a link to get you started on EBN:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Broadcast_Network
Wrong. by Weaselmancer · 2009-03-12 04:08 · Score: 5, Insightful

Creed.

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