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How $1,500 Headphones Are Made

CNETNate writes "A tour of Sennheiser's Hanover factory reveals for the first time how its audiophile headphones are assembled by hand. The company recently announced its most expensive and innovative headphones to date, the HD 800, which discarded the conventional method of headphone driver design for a new 'donut-shaped' ring driver idea. Only 5,000 of these headphones can be made in a year, and this gallery offers a behind-the-scenes look at the construction process."

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  1. Sarcastic or not? by tpgp · · Score: 5, Funny

    From TFA:

    moist-making and grin-producing...we-would-genuinely-consider-intercourse-with-these-headphones scale....Fo' shizzle...clarity was mesmerising....experiencing these headphones is akin to having your head oiled and massaged by Mother Nature herself.....Teflon-insulated oxygen-free cabling.....mouth-wateringly gorgeous and stunning

    Honest to god, I can't tell real audiophile reviews from the parodies anymore :-(

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    1. Re:Sarcastic or not? by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 4, Informative

      Unless you're looking for labratory levels of precision imho there's no point once you're above the HD-555 range.

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    2. Re:Sarcastic or not? by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm not convinced there's a point anyway. With headphones, you get so much difference in sound just from how little or how much the foam pads are compressed that I can't imagine anyone being able to use the word "accurate" when talking about headphones unless it is tongue-in-cheek. For accuracy, nothing beats a well-designed listening room with good speakers. Headphones are fundamentally "ballpark" at best.

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    3. Re:Sarcastic or not? by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 5, Funny

      They are however excellent when it comes to playing games at a fun volume and getting decent positional audio.

      And flattening my ears. And yanking things off my desk.

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    4. Re:Sarcastic or not? by Hal_Porter · · Score: 5, Funny

      Honest to god, I can't tell real audiophile reviews from the parodies anymore :-(

      I bet you're reading it on a cheap LCD display that discards all the engrams in the article so it is impossible to spot parody, irony or sarcasm. If you really want to be able to appreciate this sort of thing you need to read the page on a real man's display

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    5. Re:Sarcastic or not? by not+flu · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There's a point well past the $100 mark - the question is is it worth the money, which depends on how much money you happen to have sitting around doing nothing as well as the relative objective quality of the product.

      That said I'm not buying anything more expensive than the HD555 in the foreseeable future. In fact with digital room correction techniques I might not be spending anywhere near that much on headphones again, ever.

      Also headphones are not just for the sound, they have to feel comfortable too. And personally I would not be happy to pay 1500 bucks for headphones that LOOK like the HD800s. :-P

    6. Re:Sarcastic or not? by macraig · · Score: 2, Informative

      Meh. If I want audiophile headphones, I look across the border from Germany: Austria's AKG.

    7. Re:Sarcastic or not? by ottawanker · · Score: 3, Informative

      I was upset when these came out, my HD-650s aren't top of the line anymore.. That said, man are the 800s ugly.

      My SR-80s are very good headphones for the money (~$100) and rival the HD650s. One of these day's I'm going to listen to a set of RS2is, one of their upper-mid level headphones.

    8. Re:Sarcastic or not? by TransientAlias · · Score: 3, Funny

      buy them, take them home, and a few minutes later you have plugged them into your Ipod and all is for naught...

    9. Re:Sarcastic or not? by Liket · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm not convinced there's a point anyway. With headphones, you get so much difference in sound just from how little or how much the foam pads are compressed

      Well.. No. No you don't. That's the thing -- one of the many differences between $5 headphones and $500 headphones.

      I work with audio all the time (it's my job - I invent audio algorithms for broadcast, and related things), and I'm very happy with my HD650s. They were worth every dollar! However, if I get a chance to test the HD800s without having to buy them first, I certainly will. :)

    10. Re:Sarcastic or not? by FishWithAHammer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      These days, even Sennheiser's low end is "good enough" for the non-snob audiophile. I picked up a pair of HD202s and I'm thoroughly happy for now. (I don't bring my 555's to school.)

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    11. Re:Sarcastic or not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Signal generators.

    12. Re:Sarcastic or not? by ninjackn · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Wait... what? No.

      You mention how much the compression of the foam pads makes the sound sooo different that you can't call headphones "accurate" yet speakers in a room some how end up more accurate? The number of speakers, the size of the room, the material of the room, the position of the speakers, the positioning of yourself and so many other factors arguably make the room and speakers far less accurate than headphones.

      And just what do you mean by "accurate"? For the sake of argument lets say accuracy is sounding as close to real life as possible. So we have our hypothetical concert with ourselves seated in the 2nd row. We can get a dummy and shove two microphones into his dummy ears for recording the sound. Do you think a 2/4/8 speaker setup would be more "accurate" than headphones? The headphones are practically stream audio directly into the ears.

      Consider the professionals. What do you think all those stage technicians, sound engineers, etc. etc. use when dealing with audio? That's right, headphones.

      Maybe... maybe we're not dealing with music. Maybe you just want "accurate" sound reproduction and ignore things like audio positioning, head transfer functions and the likes. Take for example an explosion. Then I guess the headphones loose out to the sub woofer.

      And I also bring up the car metaphor. Headphones are the motorcycles of the audio world. Sure the top end cars are faster/better but motorcycles are so much cheaper. Buying a $1500 pair of headphones is a lot more accessible than buying a well designed room with speakers.

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    13. Re:Sarcastic or not? by jsse · · Score: 5, Funny

      And flattening my ears. And yanking things off my desk.

      Do you want my gf at less than $1,500? She could scream your ears to flat and yank things off your apartment.

    14. Re:Sarcastic or not? by MindVirus · · Score: 3, Informative

      Wow, way off. Mod parent down.

      Speakers are themselves fundamentally flawed. Headphones can send sound to the exact location needed while speakers are "ballparking" where the listener will be.

      Space limitations are null, audio positioning is null, and annoying your neighbors is null.

      Furthermore, good headphones have the capacity to send much less-distorted, higher-quality sound than speakers.

      Good headphones will always produce better sound than good speakers. If you don't believe me, ask your local audiophile/audio professional. I guarantee you, if he takes himself seriously, he'll agree.

    15. Re:Sarcastic or not? by rm999 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I was trying to decide between the HD-555s and 595s about two years ago. I went with the 595s, and I'm confident I made the right decision (for myself). At the time, I had only the reviews for the two, with a pretty consistent conclusion: the two are very similar. Pretty much same comfort level, and maybe 10% better sound. For double the price.

      So why were the 595s the correct decision for me? Because I use my headphones for about 4 hours a work day, 50 weeks a year. At 1000 listening hours a year, I expect to get *at least* 5,000 hours out of these headphones, probably more. Worst case, that's like three cents an hour.

      Frankly, even if I could only subconsciously detect the difference between the 555s and 595s, the 80 extra dollars I spent on my headphones are virtually nothing compared to the peace-of-mind that I didn't skimp on something I use so much.

    16. Re:Sarcastic or not? by Jurily · · Score: 5, Funny

      And yanking things off my desk.

      Doom 3, Nightmare, in total darkness except for the screen. You know what happens when your cat touches you?

    17. Re:Sarcastic or not? by Starayo · · Score: 2

      I'm not a headphone nut, as long as they fit comfortably and I can actually hear stuff through them I'm happy with them - I miss my old $20 no-name headphones, they were comfortable and had a volume dial, unlike these irritating $70 sennheiser ones. Luckily, I didn't technically pay for them as they were bought with a gift card.

      Aaanyway, while not big on headphones I do use voice chat a lot, but my headsets never last very long. I got a sennheiser headset for christmas - the sound was great, the microphone picked up everything perfectly, and the cord was nice and long. Seemed perfect! Finally, a headset to cherish for years to come. Right?

      Well, they were amazingly comfortable. So comfortable, in fact, that not even a week after christmas, I forgot I was wearing them, and walked off. And fell. And now they don't work anymore.

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    18. Re:Sarcastic or not? by Yocto+Yotta · · Score: 4, Funny

      Crappy comfortable headphones, what an obvious design flaw. My headphones pinch me every 30 seconds to remind me that I'm wearing them. Adds a bit to the cost, but you'll save money in the long run.

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    19. Re:Sarcastic or not? by ottawanker · · Score: 2, Informative
    20. Re:Sarcastic or not? by Nobody+Real · · Score: 4, Funny

      Your lack of scritches annoys her.

    21. Re:Sarcastic or not? by JRIsidore · · Score: 5, Funny

      Most of the time you'll have total darkness on the screen as well...

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    22. Re:Sarcastic or not? by hazem · · Score: 3, Interesting

      So we have our hypothetical concert with ourselves seated in the 2nd row. We can get a dummy and shove two microphones into his dummy ears for recording the sound. Do you think a 2/4/8 speaker setup would be more "accurate" than headphones?

      Do you already know that what you're describing is "binaural recording" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binaural_recording. When you listen to them with headphones, you get amazing position-awareness of the sounds. Some early binaural recordings were of story dramatazations - and you could hear the door creaking open "behind you".

      Take for example an explosion. Then I guess the headphones loose out to the sub woofer.
      You bring up an interesting idea... using headphones along with a subwoofer to get get the superior sound of headphones and the "feel" of the low-end.

    23. Re:Sarcastic or not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Wow, way off. Mod parent down.

      Headphones can send sound to the exact location needed while speakers are "ballparking" where the listener will be.

      Wow, way off. Mod you down.

      You can adjust a monitor's angle relative to a listener's ear canal to a much higher degree of accuracy than you can with headphones. If your headphone speakers are 10 mm away from your ear (a generous assumption), an accidental 1 mm movement in your cans is equal to 15 cm of movement relative to a set of monitors 1.5 meters away. Headphones will certainly track very large movements better than speakers, but that wasn't the point.

      I wouldn't ask your local audiophile or just any audio professional about headphones, I'd ask the best mastering engineers around -- and they'd universally tell you they couldn't do the job without monitors. Headphones are often used as a secondary references, but monitors are indispensable -- only to be done without when absolutely necessary. The reason you don't see mastering headphones for sale is because they don't exist; headphones simply can't do the job alone.

    24. Re:Sarcastic or not? by mh1997 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Do you want my gf at less than $1,500? She could scream your ears to flat and yank things off your apartment.

      I've had your gf and I'd like my headphones back please.

    25. Re:Sarcastic or not? by Phroggy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They are however excellent when it comes to playing games at a fun volume...

      Just keep in mind that that "fun" volume is causing permanent hearing loss. :-)

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    26. Re:Sarcastic or not? by LizardKing · · Score: 2, Informative

      Therefore it is important to have a good baseline to mix your music on, the perferable baseline being listening to the music through a good pair of headphones.

      In the bigger studios (in the UK at least) it's smallish sized monitors that provide the "baseline", as they are more accurate than tiny headphone speakers and tend to colour the sound far less than really big speakers (too much compression if I recall correctly).

    27. Re:Sarcastic or not? by robthebloke · · Score: 2, Funny

      A visit from the local environmental health department telling you to turn it down?

    28. Re:Sarcastic or not? by dunkelfalke · · Score: 3, Informative

      earbuds are crap, period.

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    29. Re:Sarcastic or not? by furby076 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Only on /. would you have to specify "except for the screen". Good job there pre-empting the "you play with your screen off?"

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    30. Re:Sarcastic or not? by roman_mir · · Score: 2, Funny

      Great, now Slashdot is going to be sued by a sheriff in Illinois.

      Stop pimping here, go back to craigslist!

    31. Re:Sarcastic or not? by furby076 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Geeks love gadgets....so the audio industry is helping them out...today, $1500 headphones...tomorrow, $4,500 hearing aids. All made by the same company.

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    32. Re:Sarcastic or not? by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Huh? This is the exact opposite of what most audiophiles say...

      Audiophiles also pay $10,000 for wooden knobs, $5000 for foam pads, $20,000 for pieces of hardboard....

      Personally I would think saying the opposite of what audiophiles say is a good thing.

    33. Re:Sarcastic or not? by temojen · · Score: 2, Informative

      Guitars don't count. The whole point of guitar amps and their open-baffle speakers is to produce (controlled) distortion and coloration.

    34. Re:Sarcastic or not? by Liket · · Score: 2, Informative

      As an example, for plain ol' FM Stereo it's a matter of squeezing as much audio as cleanly as possible into the allotted frequency bandwidth without overmodulating (+/- 75 kHz), while staying compatible with all receivers, and sounding as "good" to the human ear as possible. Check http://www.claessonedward.com/ -- and check http://www.orban.com/ and http://www.omnia.com/ for the competition. :)

    35. Re:Sarcastic or not? by BrokenHalo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Do you want my gf at less than $1,500? She could scream your ears to flat and yank things off your apartment.

      No thanks. I have a wife for that. That's why you'll probably find the biggest buyers for headphones are married men. ;-D

  2. All headphones are hand-made... by NixieBunny · · Score: 4, Interesting

    it's just that Sennheiser includes those quality control steps that the Chinese factories skimp on. They also take more than 0.85 seconds to solder the wires, and they use solder of reasonable quality.

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    1. Re:All headphones are hand-made... by Hal_Porter · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well, at least you know they won't skimp on the lead in the solder.

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    2. Re:All headphones are hand-made... by Dogun · · Score: 4, Informative

      I've owned a large number of Sennheisers.

      And no, that's not because I collect them, it's because the damned connections keep failing, on everything from 212-pros up through a set of 595s.

      I'm not ready to call Sennheiser reliable, even if they are more reliable than a lot of the low-end competition. Headphones could be a LOT more reliable if someone would take some damned time to find a more reliable way to deliver signal than a tiny wiggly wire and a bit of rigid solder.

    3. Re:All headphones are hand-made... by Jurily · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Headphones could be a LOT more reliable if someone would take some damned time to find a more reliable way to deliver signal than a tiny wiggly wire and a bit of rigid solder.

      Aw, c'mon. There's no profit in that. Like you said: you keep buying Sennheiser, even though they're not reliable.

    4. Re:All headphones are hand-made... by Leviathant · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not that I doubt you've had trouble, but I thought I'd chime in with a fun story about hardy Sennheisers. I have a pair of Sennheiser HD280 Pros that I picked up off the grass at Lollapalooza after the Rage Against the Machine set. One of the ear cushions was missing, and a piece of plastic was gone from the other side. It was much to my surprise that when I got them home and plugged them in, they worked fine. The replacement ear cushions ran $30 from B&M, and were a royal pain to get on, but now these things are as good as new. THEY SURVIVED THE PIT AT A RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE CONCERT AT A PACKED (75,000) FESTIVAL. Kind of solidified my already established respect for the brand. I have a pair of HD-5somethings (not sure where they are right now) that I've had for years too. Bought them because the cable is removable - I was tired of buying headphones over and over again because I would bork the cable.

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  3. or else by Kamineko · · Score: 4, Funny

    Only 5,000 of these headphones can be made in a year... OR ELSE

    1. Re:or else by RuBLed · · Score: 2, Funny

      I myself had a hard time hoarding 100 cute kittens per year as a sacrifice for the safety of our numerous gadgets from gremlins. 5,000 cute kittens a year is no joke but kudos for them in making sure that unfathomable things would not happen to their customer's headphones.

  4. You get what you pay for by G3ckoG33k · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A few days ago, I bought the cheapest pair of computer speakers with subwoofers I could find in the neighborhood, $USD 15.

    They were Chinese made. With a sticker - "QC PASS" [i.e. Quality Control pass]

    LOL, the damn connectors right next to it didn't work properly and I had "bend" the connector ever so little to make it work again.

    Yes, these were probably assembled by hand too. But, not in a factory originally named with coolest name I have heard in years "Laboratium Wennebostel".

    I wonder if that was hand made too, the name.

    1. Re:You get what you pay for by donaldm · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The choice of a sound system depends on many factors and one of the most important factor is how it sounds to your ears. It is rather pointless getting an expensive sound system if your hearing is limited yet many people do just this.

      I have a very nice 7.1 sound system which cost me close to AU$2000.00 (equivalent to US$0.9 to A$1 at the time) and I will admit that when I play a Blu-ray movie the sound is impressive for everyone who is listening. Unfortunately when I listen to my son's Logitech Z5500 sound system (AU$300) playing the same movie via his PC Blu-ray player/burner (under US$160.00) my sound system is wanting in comparison. I think the reason is his sound system has THX and a slightly better woofer than mine. Basically my son paid much less than me but then again he did not go for a really cheap sound system, he did his homework before purchasing. Still his system does not have the overall functionality of my system.

      I also have Sennheiser wireless headphones which are excellent sounding compared to cheap headphones which I find very nice for watching TV and playing games without disturbing everyone else. One of the features of my headphones is they wrap around my ears (ie. ear muffs) which are very comfortable for me (a little hot in summer though) yet others would find them uncomfortable. On a personal note I cannot stand earphones which press against my ears yet others love that style, as for ear buds I can wear the thin ones but have to be very careful of the volume. Again this is what I like and while some may agree with me others wouldn't.

      The choice of a sound systems is personal which can be a big issue within a family and between friends, especially if the one who is making the purchase has poorer hearing. To cater for everyone in a family a reasonable sound system is well worth the money but you need everyone to listen and agree to it first. Paying for an expensive sound system may be justified for an Audiophile but most people don't need to. Of course cheap is just that "cheap", you get what you pay for.

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  5. Re:1) Slashdot advertisement 2) Appropriate for On by solarmist · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Nope, this is an honest review, but its just not very professional.

    In my opinion there isn't a person on earth that would need reproduction that accurate. Seriously 6Hz?

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  6. Error in summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    These headphones are not Sennheiser's most expensive headphones to date (not even close, in fact).

    Enter the HE90 - also called the Orpheus. It is most likely the most expensive headphone ever produced. It had a very limited product run, and it sells these days for around $15, 000.

    Just to give you an idea of what they're like, if I recall correctly the amp has it's own -ignition key- ;-)

  7. $1500 headphones by Anti_Climax · · Score: 4, Informative

    While I could never justify paying $1500 for headphones, I have to say that I've been consistently impressed with the sound quality from Sennheiser 280-HD headphones. I'm sure there are better headphones to be had, but probably not for anywhere near $80.

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    1. Re:$1500 headphones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's easy for someone whose ears haven't been shredded by blasting Fifty Cent through earbuds at 110 dB.

    2. Re:$1500 headphones by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As with anything, there's diminishing returns. The more you spend on audio, the better the sound gets (well, assuming you are buying real improvements and not snake oil like wires), but by less and less the more you spend.

      For example the difference between $10 headphones and no headphones is, well, everything. It is the difference between sound and no sound. Even cheap is better than nothing. The difference between $50 and $10 headphones isn't everything, but it's still pretty large. It's the sort of thing you'll hear even if your hearing isn't great, even if you are listening on poor gear, in a noisy room and so on. The difference between $50 and $250 headphones is reasonable. You'll almost certainly hear an appreciable difference, but it is likely to require a better environment such as a quiet room and good source material. If you have a poor source (heavily compressed music, bad amp, etc) and background noise, they may not be that noticeably better than $50 phones. The difference between $250 and $1000 phones is pretty subtle. It's possible you won't really hear it at all if you hearing is poor, and even with good hearing, you'll need a good situation to appreciate it. Even then, it isn't going to be a major improvement, just some refinement.

      Goes the same basic thing with anything sound wise. As you move up from the basic stuff you can get some fairly large improvements, but then it starts tapering off, while the amount required to see an improvement increases a lot.

      However, that doesn't mean it isn't worth it to some people. If you really enjoy music, and have the money, it can be a worthwhile pursuit. Trying to get things as close to perfect as you can.

  8. In case there's someone here that doesn't know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If accuracy across the audio range is of primary importance, headphones will always severely pale compared with a set of reference monitors (a.k.a. speakers) due to their physical limitations. The most I've spent on headphones thus far has been around $300 - I've spent around $600-$700 for four different sets of cans - and I've yet to find headphones that aren't severely flawed. Headphones are a second-choice option, albeit one that comes up a lot in every day life.

    Most people, though, don't want accuracy and just want something that sound pretty. You can get reasonably pretty sounding headphones for cheap, though the limited range will still show up in some fashion or another. I recently bought a copy of Closer by Plastikman, and even playing it at modest volumes results in the bass mangling the speakers.

  9. I guess I don't know ... by deek · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Is there any reason in particular that headphones cannot accurately reproduce sound?

    The only thing I can think of that a headphone would have trouble reproducing, is a deep, loud bass. That's only because it doesn't have the displacement to highly compress low frequency. Monitor speakers suffer the same problem though.

    Still, because headphones sit right next to the ear, they're _much_ more efficient at delivering sound waves to the ear. This allows them to deliver sound at a comparable volume, with much less effort. As far as I can tell, there's no theoretical reason why a set of headphones can't match monitor speakers for accuracy.

    1. Re:I guess I don't know ... by eh2o · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes, there is a reason, which is that they would sound terrible if they had a flat frequency response and nobody would buy them.

      So, why is that: well, the "natural" way we hear sounds isn't "accurate" in the sense that not all frequency transduce with the same efficiency. The sound is modified by the geometry of your head and ears, also called the "head related transfer function" or HRTF for short. The HRTF is direction-dependent, it is also person-dependent as no two people have exactly the same head. Your auditory system understands your HRTF at a subconscious level and "factors it out" in determining the direction of sound and so on (for example sounds at higher elevation tend to have a bias towards higher frequency content created by the ear pinnae).

      Now, headphones include a filter that applies a "simulated HRTF" that places the sound approximately directly "in front" of the listener. If they didn't include this, the sound would be very strange.

      The downside to this is that the headphones' HRTF isn't individualized to your own head, and it can't be changed, and its exact specification varies from one model to another quite a lot. Usually the companies don't say exactly how the filter is constructed, and it requires some very fancy equipment (like dummy-heads and so on) to measure the headphone response accurately enough to make an inverse filter. The Sennheisser HD580 is one model (no longer in production) that we have some fairly extensive data for, and that is why it is still the standard for most auditory psychophysics research.

      Loudspeakers on the other hand (in particular, reference loudspeakers for mastering) are actually designed to have a flat frequency response. Getting a good listening room isn't easy either, but if you work with a measurement microphone it is possible to check the results pretty easily.

      On the subject of bass response, the impedance of air in the ear canal when closed off by the headphone is much much lower than the impedance of the driver in open air, which is why phones can deliver a quite good bass response with a very small driver.

    2. Re:I guess I don't know ... by imsabbel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Nah, you are getting that one the wrong way around:

      The reason speakers need multiple drivers is because they have to create the sound waves "into infinity", while the headphones only have to create a wave in a small volume of air between the coils and the earsdrums.

      A typical rule of thumb is that frequency reproduction of a headphone is about as good as of a speaker 25 times its price.

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  10. Re:In case there's someone here that doesn't know. by Liket · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If accuracy across the audio range is of primary importance, headphones will always severely pale compared with a set of reference monitors (a.k.a. speakers) due to their physical limitations.

    Loudspeakers have to be placed somewhere.. Usually in a room. The acoustics of the room (echo / reverberation / cancellations) will severely impact the sound of speakers, and there's no way around it without spending thousands on deadening and soundproofing the room. Yes, you can RTA and EQ, and get speakers sounding almost as accurate as cans, but it will never be as tight, unless you have a sonically dead room.

    A pair of reference cans, on the other hand, interface with your ears much more accurately, and are not at all affected by room acoustics. If they have flat frequency response on one pair of ears, chances are they will have flat frequency response on most other pairs of ears too.

    My work requires me to critically listen to music almost constantly (I write audio algorithms / processors for broadcasting). I normally listen to music on calibrated speakers, but when it's time for extra critical listening, my I put my HD650s on. Speakers are no substitute -- they hide too much, smooth over problems. Reference cans give you the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth (whether you want to hear it or not!).

    I currently own a pair of HD650s and they were worth every penny at around $500. Electrostatic cans (STAX brand) would be another step up in accuracy, but comes at a hefty price (cost, fragility, special high-voltage amplifier etc). Until I can audition a pair of HD800s for free, I'll stick with what I have. :)

  11. Sennheiser HD600 and HeadRoom by loom_weaver · · Score: 3, Informative

    I was fortunate enough to purchase a good set of HD600s and a headphone amp to go with it. I've used them as my primary computer sound system for over a decade now.

    I'd describe the Sennheisers as very detailed and precise. I can hear things with them that I have a hard time picking out with my stereo and other cheaper headphones. In addition the soft donut pads make the headphones a joy to wear. I can wear them all day without my ears feeling sore or my head feeling fatigued.

    Shameless plug for HeadRoom at www.headphone.com where I purchased my gear. These guys make headphone amps and also spend lots of time testing all sorts of headphones to go with them. They're a wealth of information for anything headphones.

  12. Re:1/8" stereo plug that doesn't fail after 6 mont by Liket · · Score: 2, Informative

    All I want is a 1/8" stereo plug that doesn't start failing after 6 months. There's nothing more annoying that having to diddle the wire near the plug so the sound stops cutting out.

    I tried buying an end plug from Radio Shack and getting it to work but I couldn't. It's only 4 wires... yeah I suck.

    Tip/Ring/Sleeve.

    Tip is left signal. Ring is right signal. Sleeve is common ground.

    Expensive headphones use thick, proper cables that don't fail just because you stumble. It might yank the socket right out of your laptop, but at least you'll still have headphones :)

  13. Re:In case there's someone here that doesn't know. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I recently bought a copy of Closer by Plastikman...

    Ah, the ultimate irony of audiophiles! They get so distracted by picking out which gear meets their exacting and nuanced specifications that they forget they're listening to shitty music.

  14. Audiophile... by tiny69 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...someone who listens to the stereo, not the music.

    // Been said before. Will be said many times after this.

    --
    Go not unto/. for advice, for you will be told both yea and nay (but have nothing to do with the question)
  15. Re:In case there's someone here that doesn't know. by eh2o · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There are many different standards for "accuracy", including "repeatability" and "flat", which are not the same. Headphones are superior to speakers for repeatability, when measured at the ear canal entrance. But they are not "flat" because they include a built-in simulated "free field response" HRTF that modifies the signal (at least, all consumer-market 'phones include this filter), plus some other geometric design issues.

    With some work it is possible to get loudspeakers to give a flat response at a fixed reference listening position, but given two individuals it is impossible to guarantee that they will hear the "same" thing at that spot since there is no control over the HRTF--so, the repeatability isn't really there.

    Also there is a difference between listening for artifacts (e.g. compression artifacts) and listening for mastering. Usually headphones are preferred for the former, but for mastering people usually prefer loudspeakers.

    BTW I use the HD650 also, they are awesome.

  16. Re:In case there's someone here that doesn't know. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The idea of a flat frequency response on a set of cans is laughable. Even a $27,600 pair of ADAM mastering monitors can't provide a flat frequency response, so don't mislead casual readers into thinking that your HD650s are flat -- here is their "flat" frequency response.

    One of the completely ignored problems with headphones (other than ones I'm sure you've heard before) is that physical positioning (distance and angle) of the speakers relative to the user's ear canal makes a big difference in the sound heard by the user, but the standard for putting on cans is generally just put them on how they're comfortable. It's been a little while since I went shopping for cans, but I haven't heard of any headphones employing a way of making sure the speakers will sit precisely right for every user.

    Rooms do provide problems with frequency response using monitors, but people like Ethan Winer help you to figure out how to measure, reduce, or compensate for them. How do you compensate for that frequency response curve of your HD650s?

    Headphones can provide a better transient response time compared with single speaker monitors because cans are smaller, but that's a very limited notion of accuracy - and one that goes away when you get a monitor with more than one speaker. Heck, I bet some small-coned cheap-ass computer speakers could match the transient response of headphones but I doubt you'd recommend them for accuracy.

    Headphones may well be better for your usage, but their abilities are very limited compared with monitors when the ultimate goal is accuracy. Not to mention, broadcasting is not exactly a forum where accuracy reigns supreme - e.g., high compression and scooping are usually the end goal, not an aberrant occurrence.

  17. Reproduction accuracy by Eternal+Vigilance · · Score: 3, Informative

    In audio equipment, reproduction accuracy is all there is.

    You personally might be willing to accept distortions of various kinds (we all make our own tradeoffs), but the point in audio design is that the equipment attempts to recreate as faithfully as possible the original sound. The fact that people are willing to accept less than outstanding audio fidelity is analogous to people being willing to eat fast food. Most people being willing to eat fast food doesn't mean that a world-class chef using the finest ingredients doesn't create a fundamentally different gustatory and nutritional experience, or that there aren't people who can discern and appreciate the difference.

    In this case, pushing transducer response farther and farther beyond the audible range of hearing improves the linearity of the response within the audible range. The same way that a 192k sampling rate doesn't mean people can hear up to 96kHz, it means that the filter response in the audio band is better, driver response down to 6Hz or up to 50k doesn't mean Sennheiser is suggesting people can hear down or up to those points, but that the response from 20-20k is better.

    In the audio work I've done (music recording and film sound), we've worked very hard to achieve the most accurate reproduction possible...because we can hear it.

    The best analogy for how that could even be possible is the way one's hearing adapts to quiet. At first, compared to normal environments, a 20dB room seems very quiet, even silent. But spend time in that 20dB room and then move to a 0dB anechoic chamber and that previously quiet 20dB can seem surprisingly noisy. Another visual analogy is the way that some people don't notice compression artifacts in images at first, but see them easily once they know what to look for.

    I'm reminded of the early days of HDTV equipment manufacturers trying to convince us (where I was at the time) it was finally possible to use HD for feature film principal photography. Some manufacturer or other had brought in their latest and greatest camera demo reel, where they had shot footage on film and then at some secret point cut over to footage shot on HD. One of the people in the screening room wasn't really a technical person, and quietly asked us (quite reasonably) that if the quality of the images was really so hard to distinguish what they could look for to tell when the images switched from film to HD. Our (only half-joking) answer was "just look for when the film guys start vomiting." :-D

  18. Re:Hanover -- Hannover by MrEricSir · · Score: 2, Funny

    No, it's "Hangover." As in the sick feeling you'll have the morning after you realize you just blew $1,500 on a pair of goddamn headphones.

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    There's no -1 for "I don't get it."
  19. Algorithms - Fuzzy math for music or just fuzzy? by geekmux · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Algorithms for compressing audio and/or encoding it for transmission? You have to test them for quality before you can even think about using them for broadcast...

    Ah, I'm not trying to offend you directly here, but I AM curious as to who's really thinking about it and what their standards are?

    Radio certainly doesn't give a shit about the compression or "exciter" limits they may add to ensure maximum volume/output for their 150,000 watts of broadcast. As long as they're louder than the next station on the dial, who cares.

    The music industry as a whole (90% of recordings) doesn't give a shit about quality, as their levels of mastering and "exciting" are all turned up to 11 to make sure THEIR sound is the "biggest"...on the radio.

    And talk radio? Please. Most of them still live on the AM dial, like it's really going to matter on "surround-sound" XM? Audiobook recordings are still done on LOW quality MP3 mono.

  20. Priorities by PeterChenoweth · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's all just a matter of priorities. Some folks think spending over $10,000 on a car is dumb, others see spending more than $500 on a computer, or more than $50 on a video card is stupid. For anyone who thinks that spending $1,500 on a pair of headphones is crazy, the simple fact is that you're not the intended audience.

    I don't necessarily trust what I read from so-called 'audiophiles'. Being an 'audiophile' is a little bit like being a 'photographer'. Just because you took one good picture of your dog doesn't mean you're now an expert on all things photographic. The audiophile world is, IMHO, similar. The only way to *know* what "good" stuff sounds like is to listen to the "good" stuff for yourself. You can read hundreds of reviews that describe 'veiled soundstage', or 'low-oxygen connectors', or 'velvet midrange', etc. But it doesn't mean a whole lot if you can't put it into context. The only way to do it is to listen and decide for yourself!

    About a year ago, I decided that I wanted a *good* pair of headphones for my office. I exchanged several emails with the folks at headphone.com about this, and with their blessing I ordered about $1,500 worth of headphones and amps from them, knowing that $1,000+ of it would be returned.

    I spent several weeks comparing and contrasting a half-dozen of their 'best' headphones. The result? There is a big difference between $100 cans and $500 cans. Try it for yourself. Some people might not be able to tell the difference. And that's cool, buy the $100 pair and be happy. But just as some people enjoy wine, cars, cigars, cheeses, types of underwear, video cards, {whatever!} more than others is why the market supports so many varieties of, well, everything. And at different price points.

    FWIW, I ended up keeping a pair of Sennheiser HD-650's because their sound was simply incredible and they were comfortable for long periods of time.