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It's Not the 15th Birthday of Linux

Glyn Moody writes "There's been a spate of celebrations of Linux's 15th birthday recently. What they're really marking is the 15th anniversary of version 1.0. But do version numbers matter for free software? The 'release early, release often' approach means there's generally little difference between version 0.99.14z, say, and version 1.0. In fact, drawing attention to such anniversaries is misguided, because it gives the impression that free software is created in the same way as traditional proprietary code, working towards a predetermined end-point according to a top-down plan. So how should we be choosing and celebrating free software's past achievements?"

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  1. Who cares? by Probie · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's an excuse for a party! I celebrate Christmas to but I don't believe in santa.

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    1. Re:Who cares? by Yvan256 · · Score: 5, Funny

      You better believe in Santa or the Coca-Cola guys are gonna come to your house and make you believe.

    2. Re:Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Christmas is based on non-Christian traditions that were absorbed by Christianity because they could not get people to stop celebrating them.

      Although that's true, you're glossing over a little history there. The church couldn't get the countryfolk to stop celebrating Saturnalia, Solistice, etc. so they simply scheduled a Christian service for the same time, and anyone who didn't show up was subject to sanctions (note the root of that word, eh?) up to and including being burned at the stake as a pagan idolater.

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    3. Re:Who cares? by PalmKiller · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This is true, I am a Christian and the fact is Jesus was probably not born on Dec 25th does not bother me no more than birthdays of various people (such as Washington's birthday being celebrated on the 3rd Monday of February. As long as its celebrated that's all that matters....he could have been born then but probably not. In around 350 ad, Pope Julius declared that it would be celebrated on December 25. This was to make it easier on the Romans who celebrated their pagan winter solstice holiday on that day...it was called Yule...and this is where the word yuletide came from that is often used to relate to Christmas songs :).

    4. Re:Who cares? by digitig · · Score: 4, Funny

      For, celebration involves tasty alcoholic beverages and comfy women (well, woman really; my wife).

      Wow, so good of you to offer to share her around! Are you sure she'll be up for it?

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    5. Re:Who cares? by khellendros1984 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why bother being offended by what someone else says? I believe in the divinity of Christ, and the things I say will reflect that. Others believe that he didn't exist, or was just a man, or a charlatan, or a lunatic....regardless, I don't have evidence either way. Just belief. Why should someone be upset that: 1. different people believe different things and 2. people act upon the things they believe?

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  2. Yeah Yeah Yeah by Lord+Kano · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Free software isn't developed according to the same models as proprietary software. We get that. It's just backwards to complain about how people take the time to celebrate the achievements of free software developers.

    LK

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  3. "Release early, release often" by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've always thought "release early, release often" is a terrible idea. That just means all your end-users will see the crap you're working on before you do the testing, and get a bad impression of your software right from the get-go. It makes sense to do that *after* you hit 1.0 and have a pretty clean product, but why would you want people forming their first impression of your software from untested development releases?

    1. Re:"Release early, release often" by zappepcs · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because waiting YEARS for Vista sucked, and the end product sucked even harder after all that wait... that's why.

    2. Re:"Release early, release often" by Directrix1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Release early, release often, release statements of current functionality. Seriously, no non-geek is going to be installing software that isn't test by some bff geek anyway. So release early and often so the geeks can help guide its direction and give feedback.

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    3. Re:"Release early, release often" by Jimmy+King · · Score: 5, Funny

      I've always thought "release early, release often" is a terrible idea.

      My wife tells me the same thing.

    4. Re:"Release early, release often" by olddotter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I personally would not argue with Linus on how to run a successful open source project. You, of course, can do what you want.

    5. Re:"Release early, release often" by rohan972 · · Score: 5, Funny

      well, the point is to get people to test it so you can know if it's carp or not

      Damn straight. I always want to know if there's anything fishy about the software I use.

    6. Re:"Release early, release often" by idontgno · · Score: 4, Funny

      It can be carp as long as it scales well.

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  4. Linux' Birthday is ... by Samschnooks · · Score: 5, Funny

    when Linus says it is. He has final approval on any birth date.

  5. Here's one that will last forever... by Quarters · · Score: 3, Funny

    Start celebrating the years when someone says, "This will be the year that Linux will take over the desktop."

  6. Ummm yes... by MikeRT · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But do version numbers matter for free software?

    Version numbers matter to the average user. If you have a product that takes years to break version 1.0, the uninitiated will wonder why it took you so long to "get it working." This question is another example of how many FOSS developers and advocates don't understand the basic psychology of the masses.

    1. Re:Ummm yes... by Directrix1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Right... the masses... Lets perform a psychology "experiment" here. Ask any non-geek what version number of any piece of software they are running. Hell, ask them for the name of that software. Most cannot answer either. Generally, "the masses" only know a couple things "this is my internet", "this is how I type stuff", "this is how I email", etc.

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  7. Usenet post? by Max+Romantschuk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Isn't the most logical Linux birthday when Linus first posted his code for others to improve upon? If memory serves me correctly it was a Usenet post?

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    1. Re:Usenet post? by physicsphairy · · Score: 3, Funny

      I believe the most logical choice for the Linux birthday is to take whatever date is median to Linus Torvald's birthday and UNIX's birthday.

    2. Re:Usenet post? by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 3, Funny

      That post is more akin to Linus announcing he was pregnant. I would regard the 1.0 release as the birth, with initial coding of the 0.x releases akin to baby showers and painting nurseries.

      The conception, like most, was the result of a drunken night in front of a computer terminal, filled with unwise and hasty decisions. When Linus woke the next morning, with the most schocking hangover, he saw before him the beginnings of an x86 OS kernel, with drunken documentation and to do lists, and no memory of how any of it came to be on his hard drive. He took it from there.

      I mean, no one honestly decides to write a kernel when they're sober, do they?

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  8. 2000 all over again by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Funny

    After about the 100th anal-retentive jackass to smugly point out "2001 is the ACTUAL start of the millennium, you know!" I just started punching them.

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  9. How? That's easy. Why? Because we can. by Em+Emalb · · Score: 4, Funny

    So how should we be choosing and celebrating free software's past achievements?"

    Booze. Lots and lots of Booze. And strippers. Lots of strippers. And pie. Gotta have some pie.

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  10. I've been using it longer than 15 years. by olddotter · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yea this is an annoying trend. I used Linux for a year or two before it hit the 1.0 kernel. The 0.99 releases were very useful at the time, and in many ways better than the SCO release that cost BIG money for a PC unix.

  11. Much older then 15 years. by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Funny

    We all know that Linux was made in 1979.

    [yes this is a joke post]

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  12. In Korea by psnyder · · Score: 4, Insightful
    In Korea, you are 1 year old the minute you are born. In most other countries you are considered 0 years old until your first birthday.
    It's a different way of counting.

    You can consider software (such as Linux) beginning as the first line of code is written, or when the idea was first conceived, or when it was first on the internet, etc. Most people consider version 1.0 to be more of the official "birth" of software.
    It's a different way of counting.



    Both are correct when thinking of them from different perspectives. To understand this requires mental flexibility in your ways of thinking.

    As a further illustration:
    The argument presented in both the article and summary:

    there's generally little difference between version 0.99.14z, say, and version 1.0

    There's generally little difference between a fetus the day before it's born and the day after it's born. But culture generally starts counting after it's born and not at conception. Computer culture often starts counting at v1.0

  13. Thanks for pointing this out by joeyblades · · Score: 3, Funny

    I, for one, do not plan to attend the parade, now that I know it's all a misguided sham...

  14. I think you're analyzing it too much by HikingStick · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you think about birthdays among people, they don't simply grow on the date of their birth. They are constantly growing and learning and developing. Birthdays are commemmorative events that celebrate when someone joined a specific family (or the human family in general). That's really not that different than what you described regarding open sources software.

    Perhaps "anniversary" would be a better term. A marriage rarely has its beginnings at the altar or in front of the justice of the peace. The persons involved typically began interacting with each other, learning, and growing together before the date of the actual ceremony, yet we celebrate their anniversary on the date they made their public vows in front of witnesses. I can see a parallel between pre-release and beta editions culminating with a public 1.0 release (or whatever the given name or number of a product may be). I don't see it as a disservice to the open source community to mark such milestones. In fact, if they were to describe the development process similarly to how I described it here--as an ongoing, growing, developing thing--it might actually mean more to some people.

    In any case, observing a birthday or anniversary holds powerful meaning regardless of the context (human or inanimate): it means the person or the thing survived the test of time. That's why so many businesses are quick to proclaim "...since 1933", "...established 2006", or similar sentiments that convey age. They understand that people tend to trust established brands, thinking (consciously or subconsciously), "if they've been around that long, they can't be too bad," or, "if they've been around that long, there's a good chance they'll still be around in a few years if I need to exercise my warranty rights."

    So, for me, I'll say happy anniversary Linux. You've had a good start. I'm looking forward to what the next 50 years will bring.

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  15. What's so special? by digitig · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What's so special about the 0xFth anniversary anyway? Shouldn't we be waiting for next year and celebrating the 0x10th anniversary?

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  16. a proper linux milestone... by steak · · Score: 3, Insightful

    the first time a slacker sneered derisively at a red hat user. a.k.a. the beginning of the distro wars.