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Nanotube Muscles Are Strong As Steel, Light As Air
Al writes "Scientists from the University of Texas at Dallas have created nanotube-based artificial muscles that are light as air and work even under extreme temperatures. The 'muscles' expand width-wise by about 200 percent when a voltage is applied, but are stronger than steel lengthwise. The nanotubes within the fiber naturally stick together. Applying a voltage makes them obtain a charge and repel one another. The researchers created them by stretching bundles of entangled carbon nanotubes into long threads. Several cool videos show the strange stuff in action. Some experts, including one from NASA, believe that the nanotube muscles' ability to withstand extreme heat and cold could make them suitable shape-shifting materials for future space missions."
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From Article -
However, electroactive polymers generate up to eight times as much force per unit area as the nanotube sheets. "For artificial muscle, you need a large change in force coupled with a large change in length," Hunter says.
Polymer actuators also need just a few volts to contract. The ribbons, in contrast, require three to five kilovolts, which Hunter says is too high for use in humans and higher than ideal for robotics.
What wasn't apparent to me is whether these "muscles" are exerting force along the axis of their attachment points; are they pulling against the "bones" to which they're attached as they expand laterally, perpendicular to the axis of attachment?
If they're not, I don't see how these structures can be described as muscles.
Very interesting technology.. but the article doesnt talk about how it can be used for artificial limbs (the 'muscle' in the name).
It would make for more flexible artificial arms than the current available robotic limbs, given the flexible nature of the nanotubes. Not to mention very powerful.
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Why almost everything is needed to aim for space or war? Okay, those two areas has most of the money for development. But be a real, this kind technology could help humans. Old people, paralyzed people and those who has lost their limb.
And think how much this would help in the situations where you can have a "suit" like for construction sites etc, helping for heavy lifting. I believe many is now thinking "Crysis nanosuite" but it would not be a far away from truth what to get, not just for wars but for in real life usage where extra strength is needed. Like rescue people if they need to lift heavy rocks etc.
The problem actually might be the electricity. Thats why this cant be used as military situations because all what you need to do, is shoot a electricity slug to soldiers who wear them, and they die right away because the suite would just squeeze them.
Maybe because they're not biologists.
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The fact that it is "strong as steel" and "light as air" seems to me like it could be made into a (very) big net that, when launched into orbit could capture space junk. Hopefully the fact that it stretches 200% could mean that it would have enough elasticity to absorb some of the kinetic energy of the space junk.
As long as the space junk didn't make holes in it, it would slow the junk enough so that they would fall out of orbit quickly. (Maybe the impact of a lot of junk would require periodic re-boosting of the net, I don't know.)
Another idea would be to use AEROGELS. This super lightweight material has already been proven to slow down hyper velocity objects (admittedly just particles) in the spacecraft "Stardust". The main problem with aerogels would be launching it into orbit, although it is very light the necessary volume required would be huge. However, if it could be manufactured in space then just a small amount of raw material could make a gigantic volume of the stuff.
At least when my natural muscles start degenerating...
[..] require three to five kilovolts, which Hunter says is too high for use in humans and higher than ideal for robotics [..]
Aawww... too bad.
I see the threads aren't perfect individual nanotubes, but still, good enough for a tether maybe?
How long until it's in hobbyist hands?
I want one of these: http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Marauder
Failing that, how about http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Turkina or http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Dire_Wolf_(Daishi)
But a http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Locust or http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Kit_Fox_(Uller) would be fun too.
Any way, new toys for robotics are always fun.
Moreover, why are you posting on slashdot rather than curing the flu?
This means i could... like... get a nano-internet jammed in my arm or leg?
Hair also repels one another when given a voltage:
http://images.google.com/images?q=hair%20static%20electricity
How is this different, and how will it make a muscle? It didn't seem to make anything shorter in the direction where it's actually strong.
Story look like Battletech Myomer development
http://star-league.org/myomer.html
[My english is better than most other people's Turkish, so please point out mistakes politely. Thank you.]
Now instead of rogue nasa 100K floating toolboxes, we can have rogue 10M floating toolboxes! Great, I'll enjoy the all those cool I-can't-reach-it-is-floating-away videos;)
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seems like all the pieces to a crysis nano suit are coming together, invisibility and strength in japan, armor in us :/
why can't these scientists just devote their work to curing the common cold or the flu?
How will our immune system end up looking without a frequent visitor to give it a work out?
...as asbestos when inhaled...
Maximum strength!
Pure tungsten is about eight times as strong as mild steel -- the stuff that your car, refrigerator, and computer case are made of -- in terms of tensile strength. It's also very tolerant of high temperatures.
But because of its brittleness, it's useless as a structural material. Why do these articles always refer to strength, without describing what kind of strength that is? Tensile, compression, shear, torsional, etc.
First, we can do both. Second, we NEED ROBOTICS. The west can NOT compete economically against other nations UNLESS we give up our standard of living. The simple fact is, that America made great gains against old Europe by creating automated machinery as well as having lower costs energy coupled with EUs many nations desire to invade each other and lose their status via wars. That is what made us what we were 10 years ago (W and the neo-cons, and I am starting to think Obama and the dems, have been giving it away to china). The ONLY way to move forward is to have robotics, automated machines, and LOW COSTS ENERGY, coupled with expansion (meaning off this rock). By doing robots like this, we can send them to the moon before we get there and have them building permanent structures for us. As to biological research, that goes on.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
Okay then, why can't these scientists devote their work to curing every symptom of the common cold or flu?
(The immune system still gets a workout, we just don't have to feel like shit while it does.)
How about using that net for solar sails? Maybe take advantage of the material to provide solar energy to the spacecraft (the material is supposed to be conductive)?
AntiHero here, my take, Of course, they're just getting around to releasing technology they had forty years ago. Boring.
War is gay. Lets come together as human beings and end all armies, abolish them.
usefull like fiberglass and asbestos! How about learning from the mistakes of the past and focusing on growing actual muscles instead?
I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.
Now literally!
Left happy.
I used to be a huge Battletech fan before they jumped the shark with the 'invading aliens' story ark.. Sorry, but the Clans were more than enough.
The writer confuses 'stronger' with 'higher strength to weight ratio'. Steel is still stronger. And since this is an artificial muscle, 'tensile strength' as a material property has nothing to do with muscle force.
Carbon nanotubes are only strong with tensile forces. Compression and lateral forces causes them to quickly buckle and bend.
That being said, 2x extension change is pretty impressive!
I applaud your courage and drive, yet I would abhor a future where any sovereign nation laid claim upon the moon or the stars. Before we set afoot in the galaxy, we should become an anarcho-syndicalist commune. Take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week. Naturally, all the decisions of that officer have to be ratified at a special biweekly meeting, by a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs, but by a two-thirds majority in the case of more pressing matters.
Myelon Fibers?
From the article: The new actuators, on the other hand, expand by up to 200 percent but generate small forces per unit area, making them less than ideal for many applications, including robotics.
What is it with these crap materials science articles? We keep seeing articles about some new material with interesting properties, but not good enough to be useful, touted as a major breakthrough expected to show up in products Real Soon Now. This crap keeps showing up in MIT Technology Review and in Science, which used to be respected publications. It's fine to publish the materials-science results, but not with the press-release hype.
The "robot muscle" problem is well known, and many attempts have been made to address it. There's no good equivalent of biological muscles. There are several materials that are promising in theory, but not useful in practice. Electrorheological fluids have been tried, but none of them work well enough. Shape-memory alloys used to have a fan club, but they don't change shape by much, and the electrical power inputs are high for the mechanical energy out, because the power is used to heat up the material and cause a phase change.
Robots still use pneumatics, hydraulics, and electric motors, with the occasional magnetic-particle clutch.
screw your symptoms... why not cure cancer, heart disease, diabetes, MS, addiction, disease and death?
why can't these scientists just devote their work to curing the common cold or the flu?
How will our immune system end up looking without a frequent visitor to give it a work out?
or better: "Because you haven't donated enough money to them"
GP probably thinks the government (IE, you) should pay for it.
Oh, shut up Dennis. It isn't your turn until a week next Monday.
If God forks the Universe every time you roll a die, he'd better have a damned good memory.
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This is the place where robots meet.
Look, you can see them here as slaves. Through logic.
And this man on the hill comes free them. Do you
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the dream is you.
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There's some physics here too to worry about.
Stronger has two meanings. One is the breaking strength of something. e.g. when does the rope break? that's meaning #1.
Now if you are lifting an object, doing work, the more you can lift, and the faster you can left it relate to a second kind of strength.
YOu could have a carbon muscle that had a tensile breaking strength stronger than steel,that was weaker than biological muscle when it came to doing work.
Imagine all these carbon fibers in friction with each other as they jostle and slide to repel. That creates heat. every calorie of that heat is one calorie of pulling work that the muscle cannot do given an initial fixed energy input.
will it scale? don't know but it sounds great for the nanoscale where that sort of consideration is irrelevant?
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
The 'muscles' expand width-wise by about 200 percent when a voltage is applied, but are stronger than steel lengthwise.
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I know this is Slashdot, and everyone's busy scripting a botnet or something - but why do so many submissions fail to demonstrate even basic English competency? This is a mistake the average fourth grader wouldn't make. Plus - shouldn't the "editors", oh I don't know, edit these submissions?
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a blob of jelly make that thing go? You're going to need micro-gears and some sort of pulley that does what a muscle does.
Maybe because they're not biologists.
Maybe they have a PhD in Creationism.
I apologize for going way off topic here, but I want to address your root cause assumptions. You apparently think that our current economic state is a result of a couple administration's worth of bad policy makers, but in fact this is something the country as a whole has been working towards since WWII.
After the second great war, this country was pretty much the only industrialized nation to survive unscathed, this much is true - and it led to artificially increasing wages, because we pretty much had a world-wide monopoly on production. This in turn led to a couple of very prosperous decades for the U.S. - the 50's and 60's. During the 70's, however, things began to turn around:
Since the 1970's, our economy has been undergoing a massive shift in the way we do business at home; rather than saving to buy, Americans now buy on credit. Our nation, by maintaining an enormous, advanced military since WWII, coupled with a decline in real wages (and therefore taxable income), has been deficit spending the entire time (actually, the U.S. has been in the red since 1830).
What you see as recent events are simply the ongoing crisis coming to a head. To borrow an apt metaphor, the U.S. sits on a house of credit cards, and there's no way go but down from this perch.
Robotics and space travel are very neat, I agree - but they aren't going to help us. There are only two ways out of this - quickly reverting back to a production economy , or declining into a pre-industrial nation and trying to make our way back from there (Obama, at least, seems to understand this; whether he can do anything about it remains to be seen).
I applaud the idea of low-cost energy, and in fact there seems to be a lot of people around the world that think free energy is currently possible, but as long as there's a profit to be made from inefficient, high cost energy, there will be no change. Thankfully, with worldwide oil production now peaking (if not already in decline), oil is going to become very expensive very soon, and will become very scarce thereafter - many of us may actually live to see the end of oil. This will drive the business world into alternative energies, but even then there'll be food shortages (it takes 10 calories of oil to get 1 calorie of food to your grocer).
And I completely disagree with expansion as a solution to anything. What we need is population reduction, and I'm so very happy that this is now happening in the U.S. (population growth is now at 95% the rate of replenishment). Once we can get the population down to the point where there's not enough people to go around, then we can begin building robotic factories.
Like mine. I never get laid.
Because these are physicists who specialize in carbon nanotubes?
Why the special hatred for the sniffles, anyways? Colds suck but they're not that bad.
Perhaps they're more interested in making profitable penis enhancement products: "The bionic erection is now possible, beating viagra for strength and endurance. Get yours for just $5,999,999.95 - order now, while supplies last".
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. - Voltaire
Wait till you see these nanotube muscles go on nanotube steroids.
The 'muscles' expand width-wise by about 200 percent when a voltage is applied, but are stronger than steel lengthwise.
So how does it help that the 'muscles' expand width-wise? Shouldn't the 'muscles' expand or contract length-wise, while being strong _also_ length-wise so that they'd be usable? If real muscles expanded width-wise without contracting length-wise as I've seen in the videos, they'd be pretty useless I would think.
Well, I for one welcome our new Carbon Nanotube strong-arm robotic overlords.
There may be no "I" in team, but there's also no "F" in way.
My question is HOW they are comparing them to steel. Same strength as a piece of steel of comparable size/weight/diamater/thickness/etc. Also, there are MANY types of steel: stainless/raw/heat-treated/hardened/etc.
I can make clay much stronger than steel if you use a strand (think hair-sized) of steel and a piece of clay a meter thick!
I agree that we need to get back to a production economy, but I don't see why it shouldn't be built on robotic factories. It does imply that the masses would need to have an ownership stake in the factories, which sounds like a supposedly debunked economic theory. But if robots can manufacture things more efficiently, wouldn't it make more sense to modify our economic system to take advantage of it?
The other thing we need to do economically is to create pervasive incentives for sustainability, and not just with regard to energy. Corporations which focus on quarterly profits are leading us (have led us?) over a cliff.
I would like to see a lot more economists thinking outside the box of the ideologies of the twentieth century. I can't imagine that information theory and the internet don't have something new to teach us about economics. My second worst fear for the current crisis is that we somehow manage to go back to business as usual (the worst fear being total collapse of civilization). I voted for change, and damnit, I want change!
Sorry, I'm not going to wait for your "population fantasy" to come to fruition. I'm building automated factories now.
I feel fantastic, and I'm still alive.