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Places Where the World's Tech Pools, Despite the Internet

Slatterz writes "A decade ago people were talking about the death of distance, and how the internet would make physical geography irrelevant. This has not come to pass; there are still places around the world that are hubs of technology just as there are for air travel, product manufacturing or natural resource exploitation. This list of the ten best IT centres of excellence includes some interesting trivia about Station X during the Second World War, why Romania is teeming with software developers, Silicon Valley, Fort Meade Maryland, and Zhongguancun in China, where Microsoft is building its Chinese headquarters."

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  1. World's Tech Pools by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Do these pools drain into the series of tubes that makes up the internet?

  2. Not just Fort Meade - all of the DC area by Reality+Master+201 · · Score: 4, Informative

    All of the VA/MD area around Washington is a big center for computers/IT. NIST is in Gaithersburg, MD and DARPA in Virginia Square, VA, as well as several universities (e.g., UMD, JHU) that are doing interesting research in human language technology - a big area of interest for the military and intelligence communities. Lots of major corporations have facilities in the area, too - IBM, SRI, and BBN to name a few.

  3. Re:Silicon Valley = Cultural Diversity by nloop · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And they all happen to be male.

  4. Summing up the .com boom/bust nicely by JoeMerchant · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Silicon Valley:

    it is the kind of place that inspires people with money to take a punt at a seemingly dumb idea.

    Remember that: inspire people with money.

  5. Parent's basement by syousef · · Score: 3, Funny

    I don't think we can overlook the fact that tech pools in parent's basements all around the world. Spooky!

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  6. Top Places ... by __aajwxe560 · · Score: 5, Informative

    The list:

    10. Boston
    9. Romania
    8. Fort Meade, Maryland
    7. Finland
    6. Zhongguancun, China
    5. San Fransisco
    4. Japan
    3. Bangalore
    2. Taiwan
    1. Silicon Valley

    1. Re:Top Places ... by clarkkent09 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's funny how it breaks down the Bay Area into San Francisco and Silicon Valley while on the other hand it puts entire Japan (population 130 mil) as one entry.

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    2. Re:Top Places ... by amerinese · · Score: 3, Informative

      You're absolutely right. In Taiwan, you see the same clustering effects with most of the semiconductor fabs (TSMC, UMC), chip designers, flat panel manufacturers, electronics designers all clustered around Hsinchu and the Hsinchu Science Park. Taiwan's "Silicon Valley" or technology hub is Hsinchu.

      In Taipei, about one hour north, there are a growing number of software firms.

      In Tainan, in southern Taiwan, there also is a cluster of flat panel and solar green energy firms.

      Note though, that compared to many other parts of the world, Taiwan is a fairly small place. On top of that, the high speed rail shrinks the distance between all the major cities so that the whole island in some way could legitimately be considered one large cluster. There certainly has been a spreading out of firms from Hsinchu to Taoyuan (30 minutes north) and Taipei (1 hour north), besides the clusters in central and southern Taiwan.

      (Off topic, there are also a bunch of clusters for precision tools, bicycles, and many other industries! But I suppose none of those could possibly be conducted over internet)

    3. Re:Top Places ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, this is hardly a definite list, it was just an off the top from two guys. In the tradition of "two points makes a trend line", we have Finland, b/c they are the (original) home of Linus Torvalds and also Nokia. What about Israel, Cambridge (UK), South Korea, Austin TX, New York City etc.

      Enjoy, but take it with a barrel of salt.

    4. Re:Top Places ... by Snowblindeye · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's funny how it breaks down the Bay Area into San Francisco and Silicon Valley while on the other hand it puts entire Japan (population 130 mil) as one entry.

      Yeah, weird how they didn't even explain that in the article. Oh wait... they did!

      The whole San Francisco entry basically talks about why they made it a separate entry from Silicon Valley, and how its different.

      From the article:

      When we were coming up with this list I joked that San Francisco should be considered a separate region from Silicon Valley if only because companies from the valley actually turn a profit at some point. The differences between the two areas, however, are distinct and have become more apparent in recent years.

      On the surface, it seems like San Francisco is sort of the mouthpiece for Silicon Valley; a place where the reporters and PR staff are kept so that they don't bother the engineers down in Palo Alto and Cupertino.

      In reality, San Francisco has a technology sector all its own, one which blossomed with the rise of the "Web 2.0" era. Because an internet-based service doesn't require a large lab or factory space, startups were able to move from garages to small offices and apartments.

      Today, companies such as Salesforce.com and Craigslist maintain their headquarters in San Francisco, while web sites such as Twitter have taken up residence in the trendy South of Market neighbourhood and made the former warehouse district the new hot place to find a start-up.

      [...]

      Silicon Valley is where you go to start up a business that needs lots of space to grow. San Francisco is where you come if you're a small services startup with low headcount that wants somewhere with good coffee and the best sushi this side of the Pacific.

      Shaun and I may have had a giggle about the loss-making side of the business but the fact remains that online is king here.

      [...]

      The city is the heart of IT innovation, even if Silicon Valley is the soul.

  7. Re:Silicon Valley = Cultural Diversity by langelgjm · · Score: 5, Funny

    I see lots of other places around the world where folks insist on segregating themselves by ethnicity and/or religion.

    Yeah, I can't think of any fanatic groups of people who cling to various beliefs like so many religions, segregating themselves from others.

    Excuse me while I go sacrifice a goat to Larry Wall.

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  8. Geeks live where they want to live by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Richard Florida (an economics prof.) wondered why his home town didn't keep the geeks that graduated from his school. They would graduate and then move elsewhere. Hi-tech companies couldn't get employees in spite of the fact that they graduated within five miles of the company.

    What Florida discovered was that geeks want to live in certain places and not others. He wrote lots of papers and finally produced a popular book, 'The Rise of the Creative Class'.

    He pointed out how Silicon Valley was able to flourish in spite of the fact that Boston was established in the hi-tech game. In Boston, employers can block employees from taking their knowledge to competing companies. In California, they can't.

    Lots of things determine whether geeks will gather in a particular place. The place I would look for the next hi-tech paradise is southern Ontario. It has all the characteristics Florida found that attract geeks and hi-tech companies.

  9. Yep, the internet did the opposite by heroine · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The internet concentrated the jobs instead of spreading them out. Now if you're not geographically in Silicon Valley, your job can be done in Taiwan, so all the job seekers come to Silicon Valley. In the old days, you could have gotten a job in Nebraska. Not anymore. No-one even knows what Nebraska is anymore.

    1. Re:Yep, the internet did the opposite by Reality+Master+201 · · Score: 4, Funny

      No-one even knows what Nebraska is anymore.

      I think that'd make a fascinating poll; I wonder how many US citizens actually couldn't tell you what what Nebraska is.

  10. there's something terribly oxymoronic by toby · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...in putting "Microsoft headquarters" and "centres of excellence" in the same paragraph.

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  11. Re:Guess they forgot about Amazon by baxissimo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This list is just silly. I mean Japan?! Come on. Japan is the size of the entire east coast of the US. How much sense would it make to put "The entire east coast" as one of the top 10 "places" where Tech is pooling. None. This list is nonsense.

  12. Geeks and Gays by swm · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Lots of places would like to be a high-tech hub.
    High tech is prestigious, brings high-paying jobs, has good health and safety and low (local) environmental impact.
    Lots of places build out infrastructure (roads, office parks, networks, schools, housing) hoping to become a high-tech hub.

    Some of these places succeed, some fail.

    It turns out (can't recall the source, sorry) that one of the best predictors of where you will actually get a high-tech hub is the size of the local homosexual community.

    Why?

    Geeks and gays are both seeking the same kind of social tolerance.

  13. What no RTP? by MadMorf · · Score: 4, Informative

    So, I guess Cisco, IBM, GlaxoSmithKline, Bayer, Sony Ericson, NIH, EPA, NetApp, EMC, Red Hat and others don't count? And don't forget, as I've mentioned before, the Sanrio store...

  14. Re:Silicon Valley = Cultural Diversity by cyn1c77 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Silicon Valley is special to me because of its cultural diversity. In one medium sized company you can work shoulder to shoulder with people from every major world ethnic group and every major world religion (including no religion). They work together, peacefully, to make better lives for themselves and their children. Look around the rest of the world. This place is unique and special. I see lots of other places around the world where folks insist on segregating themselves by ethnicity and/or religion. They must hate my home, Silicon Valley. Peace.

    Hate to break it to you, but this happens in most of the United States. In my experience, a lot of the people in California just think they are special.

    I used to live in California. They may not discriminate on ethnicity or religion, but go visit the Bay Area with an NRA teeshirt and a rifle to hunt some deer and see how nice everyone is to you.

  15. Why California gets it by Animats · · Score: 5, Interesting

    One of the big reasons high-tech has been so successful in California is the provision in the California Labor Code that prohibits employers from owning what you do on your own time. No employment contract in California can override that. So you can do a startup while still employed.

    Employers hate this, but it's one of the big reasons for Silicon Valley's success. It also boosts innovation in aerospace and Hollywood, both major California industries.

  16. Silicon Valley has cheap real estate? by RR · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Others note the relatively cheap real estate

    Silicon Valley and “cheap real estate”? Compared to what? The moon? San Francisco?

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  17. Re:Guess they forgot about Amazon by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 3, Funny

    I already have my Secret Base there. Don't tell anybody.

  18. Re:Silicon Valley = Cultural Diversity by cyn1c77 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Probably directly proportional to how nice you are to animals. In some places, they don't like it when you shoot animals for fun.

    Thank you for proving my point.

    I actually don't hunt myself, but I am of the opinion that animals need to die for humans to live and I would have no problem killing something that I needed to eat. If someone actually wants to go through with all the BS it takes to hunt nowdays (hunting permit/draw, gun permit, learning to shoot reliably under pressure, finding the animal, skinning the animal and packing it out), more power to them. It's a little piece of history that most of us don't appreciate about when we are in a hurry to buy our chicken and cow meat in the supermarket, on the way home to watch Survivor or get on the internet.

    People were meant to kill animals and plants to eat them and use them as resources to live. Much in the same way that animals kill each other for life to continue. The key is to do it responsibly, like the other animals do.

    Sometimes, humans even need to die for other humans to live.

    Welcome to the real world, it's a messy place.

  19. Re:Silicon Valley = Cultural Diversity by DigiShaman · · Score: 3, Informative

    FYI, most (if not all) hunters eat what they kill. It's not like anything is going to waste.

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  20. Re:Silicon Valley = Cultural Diversity by Kaboom13 · · Score: 3, Funny

    That's why people normally hunt for deer in forests, not suburban neighborhoods. New Yorkers are also surprisingly closed minded, they got mad when I went duck hunting with my shotgun in Central Park.

  21. Re:corrections to article by coaxial · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'll tell you why Pittsburgh isn't listed. Once you graduate CMU, you leave. If Pittsburgh could hold on to the CMU graduates, they'd have something, but they can't, so they don't.

    Paul Graham talked about this very thing, including citing the problems of Pittsburgh-CMU conundrum. He posits that it's the lack of venture capital (or "rich people" as he put it) in Pittsburgh, but I suspect (as he seems to) that there's something more missing.

  22. Special? Hardly. by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 3, Insightful

    London, Hamburg, Kuala Lumpur, Singapore, Paris, Barcelona, Cape Town, heck, even Windhoek, etc.

    And nowadays in big corporations everywhere you see the same thing. When I worked in Warsaw there were Indian, Chinese, English, German, Polish and of course yours truly (Mexican), in Kula Lumpur there were Malays (Muslim), Thai (Buddhist), Chinese, varied westerners, Iranians, Indian, all working happily without undue complications.

    Your comment sounds terribly parochial to be frank, you guys in the US need to get out of your country a bit more.

    Bar extremist regimes (Saudi Arabia, Iran, North Korea) where people are separated in purpose for religious, ethnic or ideological reasons, in most civilized places (normally democracies) you will see hot spots where peaceful coexistence is the norm.

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  23. Oh please, come down from your high horse. by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The GP was refering to people that hunt for fun. He said nothing about people that hunt for need or that use the kill for their own consumption.

    As for the NRA it may be a legal organization in the US, but they are seen as nutcases in many places, and for many good reasons (their extreme views about gun ownership are ayathollic and confrontational, so it should be no surprise if some people find them disagreeable).

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    1. Re:Oh please, come down from your high horse. by riceboy50 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It doesn't matter why they do it. The point is that the enlightened Bay Area has just as much bias and intolerance as everywhere else. Your comment about the NRA is case in point. Without further information about your gun ownership views, I can only surmise they would find them disagreeable in kind.

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