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Obamas Give Queen Elizabeth an iPod

Ponca City, We love you writes "What did the Obamas give Queen Elizabeth II on Wednesday when they arrived at Buckingham Palace? An Obama aide reported the queen was given an iPod loaded with video and photos of her 2007 trip to the United States, as well as songs and accessories. She also received a rare songbook signed by the composer Richard Rodgers. The gift issue had come up after Prime Minister Gordon Brown visited the White House last month. Mr. Brown gave Mr. Obama a pen holder carved from the timber of an anti-slave ship, receiving in return a DVD box set of American movies, igniting a torrent of criticism in the British press. According to news reports, the queen gave the Obamas a silver-framed signed photograph — a gift she gives to all visiting dignitaries."

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  1. It's not an iPod by u38cg · · Score: 4, Funny
    It's an oiaeuooPod.

    (RP joke, for the humour impaired).

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    1. Re:It's not an iPod by sapphire+wyvern · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, if it's Royal, surely it should be a "we"Pod rather than an iPod or onePod?

    2. Re:It's not an iPod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Umm, no, he's making fun of how the royals pronounce vowels (the clue is RP = Received Pronunciation, look it up on wikipedia)

      Or maybe IHBT...

    3. Re:It's not an iPod by JPLemme · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I wish there was a "± 0 Confusing" mod point...

  2. Re:Obama Policies Will Bankrupt USA Tsarkon Report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It seems kind of 'tarded to give a 70+ year old woman an ipod with a tiny screen filled with speeches she is very unlikely to agree with (not that he would even be aware of her political leanings.)

    I would have given her a gift of pictures of her during the WW2 blitz on London, showing her changing tires and working along with the rest of the people under siege by the Germans and put this into a classy montage. I would want to honor her good qualities, and there is plenty out there. For one of the richest women in the world, I'm certain trinkets are not high on her shopping list.

    Seriously, Obama is a sad amateur. Camacho was a smarter president.

  3. Problem with DVDs was... by Zarhan · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...that the Region 1 DVD's didn't play in Brown's Region 2 player. On his next visit Obama will give him a modding kit.

    1. Re:Problem with DVDs was... by RDW · · Score: 5, Funny

      Rumours that Station X at Bletchley Park is to be re-opened in order to decrypt 'important data received on disk-based media from a high level US government source' remain unconfirmed. In other news, the Obama Administration has not yet commented on the suggestion that all gifts intended for European dignitaries for the duration of the recession were bulk-purchased in the Circuit City closing down sale.

    2. Re:Problem with DVDs was... by MightyYar · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm guilty of buying a region-enforcing Pioneer at Best Buy. I had just blown through two $25 generic players in two years and was willing to pay more so that I wouldn't have to buy a new one and hook everything up yet again in another year. Plus, Pioneer seems to "get it" and will play formats like DiVX.

      That aside, just look at this page to make sure the player you are about to buy has an unlock code.

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    3. Re:Problem with DVDs was... by ari_j · · Score: 5, Funny

      I had actually pictured the Obamas on Air Force One on the way to England...

      Michelle: So, Mr. President, did you remember to pack the first-edition Walden that I wrapped for the Queen and put on your desk this morning?

      Barack: He removes his iPod earbuds, and we hear the music softly before he presses 'pause' on the iPod resting on his lap. I'm sorry, honey, what were you saying?

      Michelle: I was just checking to be sure you remembered the gift for the Queen. You know what happened last time.

      Barack: .......

      Michelle: Barack?

      Barack: I ... hm. He picks up the iPod and examines it. Do you think that Her Majesty likes Earth Wind and Fire?

  4. who cares? by castironpigeon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Are there really not enough issues in the world to get worked up about that people are arguing over a freakin' gift exchange?

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    1. Re:who cares? by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I a huge politics junkie and it horrifies me what stories the public latches onto when their very futures are at stake. I only assign 1/4 the blame to the messenger. The other 3/4 goes to the public whose mouse clicks and channel selections have indicated to news outlets what their audience wants to see.

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    2. Re:who cares? by db32 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You know.... Reading that article made me sick (even beyond the normal slashdotters aren't supposed to read the articles thing). We can't have positive foreign relations with Britain because the POTUS didn't give a government visitor fancy enough gifts? That is pretty unbelievably shallow and self absorbed media coverage even by American standards.

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    3. Re:who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      From http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/ask/20070508.html regarding the queen's visit to the White House in 2007:

      President and Mrs. Bush gave Her Majesty a bronze statuette âoeHigh Desert Princessâ with a personal inscription on the bottom of the base. It is a replica of the original life size statue that is located in front of the National Cowgirl Museum and Hall of Fame in Ft. Worth, Texas.

      President and Mrs. Bush gave The Prince Philip an exclusive sterling silver eagle box by Tiffany & Co. with personal inscription on the inside lid.

      President and Mrs. Bush gave Their Majesties a leather presentation box filled with a collection of documents from the National Archives. One of the items was a copy of an original letter from President Roosevelt to her father, King George, written in 1938. There were also photos from previous royal visits and a DVD of the footage from the Queenâ(TM)s visit to the United States when she was Princess Elizabeth in 1951.

      Their Majesties gave President Bush a sterling silver oversized plate by William & Son with gold seals including: the Presidential seal, the Royal seal and a center seal with the star of Texas surrounded by roses. There was a personal inscription on the back of the plate. They gave Mrs. Bush a gold and crystal clock with the Royal seal by William & Son.

      The Office of the Chief of Protocol assists the President and First Lady in the selection and presentation of gifts to foreign leaders.

      I can hardly say that gift is any more elegant.

  5. Had to be ... by KwKSilver · · Score: 4, Funny

    Had to be an iPod, not a Zune: Her Majesty has far too much gravitas to run around "squirting" people.

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  6. The iPod will be taken apart ... by tomhudson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    After all, would ANY government allow one of their top people to accept an electronic gift without it being checked to make sure it's not bugged? That would be a serious security lapse.

    1. Re:The iPod will be taken apart ... by CmdrGravy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You remember that warehouse at the end of Indiana Jones where they store the Ark Of The Covenant ?

      The Queen has a similar warehouse where all the presents the monarchs have been given over the last 300 years or so are stored, this I-Pod is never going to be used.

    2. Re:The iPod will be taken apart ... by Asic+Eng · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The queen regularly discusses political matters with the prime minister. The prime minister is not required to do anything she says, but by talking to her has access to a person who has talked to his predecessors and has therefore considerable knowledge. So the queen does have some informal power, and tapping into these conversations could in principle be interesting for a foreign power.

    3. Re:The iPod will be taken apart ... by nojayuk · · Score: 5, Informative
      "The queen has no role in the security status of her government."

      She has a face-to-face meeting with the Prime Minister, the senior elected official of Her Majesty's Government once a week to talk about Britain and he Commonwealth, its current state and its place in the world. She receives a box of State papers every day to work through -- as Head of State she signs off on all treaties and international agreements negotiated between the UK and other countries.

      She's been doing this for more than fifty years now, day in day out, week in week out. She's heard everything, the good news and the bad. Apart from the anodyne Christmas address to the nation she keeps her mouth shut about it, as it is her duty to do so.

    4. Re:The iPod will be taken apart ... by jabithew · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Queen owns the government, she is not part of it. Hence, Her Majesty's Government, as well as Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition.

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    5. Re:The iPod will be taken apart ... by thirty-seven · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, she might. She has a weekly meeting with the PM. No-one knows what they talk about but I'm sure some of it will be sensitive, especially what is technically her army is fighting a war.

      Indeed. Winston Churchill said, after the fact of course, that King George (Queen Elizabeth's father) was one of the very, very few people with whom he would discuss all the secret plans and his thoughts about the war.

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    6. Re:The iPod will be taken apart ... by mike2R · · Score: 4, Interesting

      heh, take a glance over a British military forum someday. I *think* they're mostly joking, but it seems to be the general group fantasy to receive orders from The Palace to march on the House of Commons with bayonets fixed :) The current government is not popular in military circles, to put it mildly; if Gordon Brown says to the Queen "you and what army", she'd have a ready answer..

      No I'm not being serious.

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    7. Re:The iPod will be taken apart ... by dadragon · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Queen of England (United Kingdom actually, there hasn't been a Queen of England since Queen Anne) has no power in Canada. The Queen of Canada does. Yes, they are the same person, but they don't have to be.

      The Queen of the United Kingdom doesn't appoint our Governor General, the Queen of Canada does, on the advice of the Canadian Prime Minister and Privy Council.

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  7. Brown responded... by langelgjm · · Score: 5, Funny

    Mr. Brown gave Mr. Obama a pen holder carved from the timber of an anti-slave ship, receiving in return a DVD box set of American movies, igniting a torrent of criticism in the British press.

    Brown, commenting on the matter, said: "I've already downloaded most of these on the Pirate Bay."

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    1. Re:Brown responded... by ubrgeek · · Score: 5, Funny

      Her Majesty, commenting on the matter, said, "No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame."

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    2. Re:Brown responded... by rgo · · Score: 4, Funny

      Thnk yu for mking me spit my c0ffee sir!
      Yu 0we me a new keybrd!

  8. Royal Navy anti slavery actions by Hal_Porter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There's a good article here

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/abolition/royal_navy_article_01.shtml

    It's actually an incredibly cool story.

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    1. Re:Royal Navy anti slavery actions by Richard_at_work · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Britain has yet to seriously discuss reparations for the damage done to Africa from the profits they made in the slave trade.

      And I seriously hope we never do, not because I agree with slavery, but because I disagree with being held accountable for something that someone did 200 years ago.

    2. Re:Royal Navy anti slavery actions by jabithew · · Score: 5, Informative

      I see that you, along with all romantics, have entirely neglected the role that Africans themselves played in the slave trade. Slaves traded across the Atlantic were bought from African dealers. I have yet to see any Afro-Americans demanding apologies from Africans, let alone reparations.

      Britain was one of the first nations to abolish this hideous practice (by democratic choice, not "force"), before any African nation did, and Britain did more than most to bring an end to it. Even after the Atlantic slave trade was brought to a halt by the British and later American navies, innocent Africans were being sold into slavery by Africans to Arabs. Yet still Britain seems to have the majority of the blame for the slave trade forced upon it. This seems deeply unfair to me.

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    3. Re:Royal Navy anti slavery actions by CmdrGravy · · Score: 5, Funny

      I agree and since the British government is unwilling to make reparations I as a British citizen am more than happy to do so on their behalf.

      Obviously all the people actually involved are dead now so there is nothing I can do for them so it's their ancestors I feel I must recompense.

      I have a simple formula, all we need to do it work out the average yearly income of American African Americans and the average income of Africans to get a figure of how much worse off the African Americans are. Then multilply that by the average lifespan of an African American and the number of them who can prove their ancestors were slaves.

      I'll accept payment in gold bullion.

    4. Re:Royal Navy anti slavery actions by krunk7 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's what it's all about at the end of the day. I've yet to understand how giving money to the descendants of slaves repairs the damage that was done by the slave trade, but there you go.

      I can explain this for you. I know they don't really teach this in schools in as much detail as they should.

      Slavery was not fully abolished, technically, until 1865. Now, that sounds like a long time ago. Over 100 years. But what happened after that? Well for 100 years, blacks were not allowed to go to the same schools with whites, they weren't allowed to live by whites, they weren't allowed to meaningfully interact with whites, they're vote was actively negated through Jim Crow laws, and they weren't even allowed to drink the same water.

      Let me repeat that lest the math was not clear, they were actively and openly oppressed, exploited, violently attacked by both private vigilanties and law enforcement, and disenfranchised until 1965 . That means if you're 43 or over, you were alive then. It also means your parents were almost assuredly alive and could either tell tales of fighting for or against the Civil Rights movement unless you're very young.

      What does this mean really? I'm sure the response is "Well, I didnt' do any of that!". This is true, but the entire American society did that. Laws aren't passed by individuals, they are passed by nations. Widespread discrimination of that calibar is not commited by individuals, it's sanctioned by states. And so, it is society that owes a debt.

      It was not African American's Great Great Great Grandparents that were shoved into ghettos, educationally marginalized, disenfranchised, and openly, violently opposed. Those who experienced this first hand are still alive today as are those who perpetrated these grave crimes against humanity.

      The audacity to presume that in less than one full generation 300 years of this stature of oppression would simply *poof* disappear. Do you really think that all the fathers and grandfathers who were so sure that blacks were less than human in their teens, 20's, and 30's all of a sudden did a 180 and changed their attitudes? It takes more than 1/2 a generation to repair that kind of dehumanization.

      And to compare this to Dresden. Are you completely daft? Are you truly that ignorant of the difference (not in a hateful sense, but in the literal sense of igorance)? Dresden was a single event in a war that spanned a few years. The decendents of dresden were not stripped of their heritage, educational opportunities, and identity. Forced into slavery, shoved into ghettos, hanged from trees, and treated verbally and physically like animals for 15 generations .

      Just ponder that for a moment. Just think of the significance, of the impact that has on a culture. I am amazed that the black community is so forgiving. That the sons (literally) of those our nation abused so egregiously are not absolutely raving with desire for revenge. That they're recovering so quickly economically, educationally, and culturally.

      No, it is not one individual that owes a debt, the entire country owes a debt.

      Now, I don't think monetary reperations are the right way to make amends. Mainly, because the harm is nigh incalculable. But if it were possible to guarantee a free ride to every black child to a first class college to give them the opportunity to pull their communities out of the ghettos that our nation put them in then that might be a good start. Of course, we probably can't afford that either.

      The solution is not easy, nor is it simple, nor is it cheap. But your indignation is misplaced, misguided, and misinformed.

  9. Silly by ledow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First, who cares who gave who what? Seriously? I mean, if you made a *major* boo-boo and gave Obama some racist memoribilia or something, then you're an idiot, but otherwise who cares? You're talking negotiations over the future of countries, anyone who reads anything into the gifts is clearly desperate for news or clearly focusing on the wrong things.

    Have the governments of the two countries seriously got nothing else better to waste their money on than gifts for other nations? Sure, bring something along but keep it simple. A couple of bouquets for the missus and a bottle of special wine or something to enjoy over dinner one night. Anything else is asking for a cock-up because it'll have been made from the ship that X's father fought against in war Y or something. And, trust me, nobody British really cared what gift was received/given the last time the US president and the UK prime minister met. Nobody. The press obviously had nothing else better to report, or were feeling snubbed themselves. They don't even care that Churchill's bust was moved in the Whitehouse... really... we don't have American presidents lining 10 Downing Street, so why should the American's have anything similar? So long as it was done respectfully (i.e. they didn't kick it down the stairs after drawing a moustache on it), who cares?

    Personally, I think the Queen's gift is the worst out of all those listed (in all the linked articles) anyway - it's too imperialist and overbearing... a signed photo... "Look, I have given you something cheap and readily available to remind you that you were once in my presence". Urk.

    1. Re:Silly by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Queen's gift is a diplomatic one ... she gives the same gift of the same cost, to everyone, regardless of how important they are and regardless of what they give her in return, no one is snubbed, overvalued, undervalued, or insulted ....

      The giving of gifts is done for purely diplomatic reasons and the cost of the gift given by the British PM is limited, any gift given to him over that same cost is owned by the government not by the current PM ....

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    2. Re:Silly by EastCoastSurfer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I would agree with you except every day for the last 8 years we heard about Bushisms. Just because Obama is your guy (not you personally, just in general) shouldn't mean that you quit pointing out the idiotic things that he does.

      Obama has already had plenty of Obamaisms (basically anytime he isn't in front of a teleprompter), yet I don't see people like Olberman leading off their show with them they way he did with Bush.

      All I want is consistency from people.

  10. Re:Obama Policies Will Bankrupt USA Tsarkon Report by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If he had really wanted to put two seconds' thought into it, he would have gotten something for her dogs ... either the corgis or the labs. She's absolutely nuts over her corgis (same as every dog lover :-)

  11. Re:Obama Policies Will Bankrupt USA Tsarkon Report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

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  12. Hilarious. by Sj0 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I just find it hilarious, it seems like the criticisms of the US personified.

    "Here's a rare and incredibly symbolic gift, a pen case made with wood from anti-slave ships."-British

    "lol heres 2 fast 2 furious" - US

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    1. Re:Hilarious. by icebrain · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think it's indicative of Obama's naivete and complete lack of experience with regard to foreign policy. IIRC, he also blew off an official state dinner with Brown saying he was "too busy", and dismissed the US-UK relationship as "nothing special", and sent back the bust of Churchill that had been at the White House for quite a long time. Oh, and the DVDs came with a couple of Marine One helicopter toys, too.

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  13. The Queens Gift by howman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's fairly poignant the fact that she gives everyone the same gift, a silver framed picture of her... Pretty much says, 'you ain't shit better than anyone else, but I am da bomb.'

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    1. Re:The Queens Gift by GregNorc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or it could be to avoid situations like those that arose when Brown visited the USA.

      If everyone gets the same gift, no one will feel slighted. The leader of a major superpower or a tiny island nation being treated the same? That's actually a pretty smart political move.

  14. Mix Tapes by i_ate_god · · Score: 4, Funny

    Remember back in the day when you used to give mix tapes to girls to show them how amazing you were?

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  15. Title is wrong by Late+Adopter · · Score: 4, Informative

    President Obama was unable to meet with Queen Elizabeth, since she passed away a while ago. Instead he met with HM Queen Elizabeth II. I know it sounds pedantic, but they are different people.

    1. Re:Title is wrong by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think from the context, we can figure out which one they mean. When you read a tabloid headline that says "Prince Charles Admits To Yet Another Fuck-up," do you actually have to wonder whether they're referring to Charles Stuart or Charles Windsor? Besides, saying "Elizabeth II" over and over again in headlines would appear even more stupid. "Elizabeth II to visit U.S." would elicit a collective response of "...as opposed to Elizabeth I, who has been dead for 400 years?" It would be a constant, and needless, distraction from the intended communication.

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  16. Re:Obama Policies Will Bankrupt USA Tsarkon Report by Inda · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think a nice gun would have been more fitting for Her Royal Highness.

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  17. Like there's something better? by geekmux · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Are there really not enough issues in the world to get worked up about that people are arguing over a freakin' gift exchange?

    This just in...Israel and Palestine are fighting. More at the top of the hour...

    A lot of people are pissed about Government bailouts. News at 11.

    The economy sucks. More to come.

    Don't complain. At least this is "new" by comparison to the rest of the shit that keeps getting dredged up day after day.

  18. God Save The Queen? by hitnrunrambler · · Score: 5, Funny

    I hope out of consideration for the rich history of British music that it included some of the classics...

    like the Sex Pistols http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_Save_the_Queen_(Sex_Pistols_song)

  19. She should have gave him Northern Ireland . . . by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Ah, Mr. Obama, I've been expecting you."

    "You seem to be handling all the troubles in the world, right now. One more shouldn't be a problem for you, please accept my gift to you of Northern Ireland."

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  20. If the British press can't find something... by EWAdams · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... to bitch about America over, they will pull something out of their own ass. The last time the British press was polite and respectful towards America was D-Day.

    There's a recession on, people. Do you really expect Obama to be handing out diamond necklaces? How's that going to look?

    Also, both sides know perfectly well that whatever they give, the other side won't be allowed to keep it as a matter of anti-corruption policy. Every single gift given to an American president goes straight into a vault. So there's no point in giving anything really expensive.

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    1. Re:If the British press can't find something... by meringuoid · · Score: 4, Funny
      The last time the British press was polite and respectful towards America was D-Day.

      Actually, it was the day before D-Day. On D-Day itself, the coverage ran something like 'Thank God, they're all in France now.'

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  21. Re:Wow by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 4, Informative

    Dude, DEAL. This site is American which will obviously bias coverage. I often visit British news and entertainment sites and I don't cry about all the stories covering entertainers and personalities I've never heard of. I simply skip them.

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  22. Why not more practical gifts? by east+coast · · Score: 5, Funny

    Chief Lincoln of the Americas offers you Construction in return for Invention and 126 gold!

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  23. Re:Obama Policies Will Bankrupt USA Tsarkon Report by SenseiLeNoir · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Well said, I have had the pleasure of meeting Her Majesty, and I can tell you she is no simpleton. She is an intelligent witty person, who actually has a "can do" mind.

    People forget that in WW2, she drove ambulances carrying injured people to the Hospital. She is a trained mechanic, and does actually know more about cars and engines than most normal people.

    She even has a blackberry, which she uses to keep in touch with her grandchildren. Talking of Grandchildren, Remember Princess Beatrice once said "she is lucky to have a cool grandmother"

    She is a charming, intelligent and lovely person, and one of the things that makes me as a Brit, feel proud.

    God Bless you maam.

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  24. Re:Wow by Kadagan+AU · · Score: 5, Funny

    Achievement Unlocked: "Posting Anti-America-Centric comment and mentioning that there are global readers that don't give a fuck!"

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  25. Re:Obama Policies Will Bankrupt USA Tsarkon Report by Hognoxious · · Score: 5, Funny

    People forget that in WW2, she drove ambulances carrying injured people to the Hospital.

    She was on the allied side, despite the fact that her real surname is "Achtungschweinhund Hollenstollen Von Saxe-Koburg Gutenberg".

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  26. Re:Obama Policies Will Bankrupt USA Tsarkon Report by SenseiLeNoir · · Score: 4, Informative

    Sorry to answer myself again, but I believe she has an iPod already.. since 2005... a 6GB iPod mini.

    Its pretty well known actually (google queen ipod).

    Not sure what she uses it for, but if i remember rightly, she (or maybe Prince Philip) are avid podcast listeners.

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  27. Obama's not playing by the rules... by icebrain · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not the gifts themselves that are the issue... it's the symbolism, if you will.

    See, diplomacy is a game, of sorts, and it's heavily dependent on symbolism. Things like gift exchanges, summit meetings, state dinners, and all that are mostly useless from a practical standpoint... but it's part of the game. They're the rules; to be taken seriously you have to at least play along with them and pretend that you care. It's like Christmastime at the office; you go to the parties and you buy little gifts for each other, not because you really care about everyone or want to hang out with them, but because it smooths things over and is just part of office politics.

    Obama's not playing by the rules. And while the gifts and all that aren't really a big deal, he's committing a diplomatic faux pas--toward his country's closest ally, no less. What makes this (and similar small diplomatic blunders) ironic, and what the European press is starting to make noise about, is that everyone thought Obama would be better at international relations than Bush. True, he has yet to start any wars; but flubbing even the basic, petty, easy stuff like state dinners and symbolic gift exchanges with your closest allies and your historical and powerful military/economic rivals (China and Russia) certainly isn't getting off on the right foot.

    It's like the new guy showing up at the office Christmas party with PBR and dollar store gag gifts for the exchange when everyone else brought drinkable wine or liquor and a $15 gift... then cutting loose a giant fart and laughing loudly about it. Sure, it doesn't really affect business operations, it's just a stupid little party. But now everyone's looking at him kinda funny and thinking "hey, we thought he was cool, but this guy's a bit of an ass." In other words, it may not be harmful, but he certainly isn't doing us any favors.

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  28. Re:All hail Lord Brown! by icebrain · · Score: 5, Informative

    I don't even understand the controversy. 25 DVD's is a pretty damn good gift. Maybe the Brits don't understand that, in the U.S., giving exquisite gifts to politicians is a MAJOR no-no (unless you're Ted Stevens, of course). I'm surprised they even gave him that much. A U.S. politician couldn't accept anything in excess of $335 in value as a gift from a foreign leader.

    It's pretty much standard here that diplomatic gifts aren't kept by the President; they're accepted on behalf of, and given over to, the American people. I'd imagine that it's pretty much the same in the UK; "suitcases full of cash and rare art" would be state-to-state gifts that just happen to be presented by/to individuals acting as representatives to their people.

    Diplomatic gifts aren't really supposed to be personal anyways. The pen and case aren't for Obama to take home and use for paying his bills; they'll most likely be displayed for a little while, possibly used to sign some kind of treaty or trade agreement with the UK, and eventually filed away in a box somewhere. It might eventually go on display at whatever Presidential library Obama builds, but would remain the property of the United States and just be loaned to said library.

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  29. Why is everyone ignoring... by Bloopie · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why is everyone ignoring the "rare songbook signed by the composer Richard Rodgers"? That could be worth far more than the iPod. Compared to that, the iPod would be a side gift. But that's what the media is focusing on because it's more sensational.

  30. Re:Which iPod? by DavidTC · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Obmama didn't 'give her an iPod' at all.

    Obama gave her a signed Rogers (Of Rogers and Hammerstein, who the queen loves,and considers the a song from Oklahoma her and her husbands 'song') songbook.

    It was an absurdly good gift. Personal, and yet historic enough that it can be displayed with a bunch of other historic things.

    He also gave her a bunch of footage of her trip here that was filmed. He presented this to her within a video iPod.

    And everyone trying to make an issue of this is a giant moron.

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  31. Re:Problem is lack of thoughtfulness by Lars+T. · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It was an iPod with video and photos of her 2007 trip to the United States. How thoughtless.

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  32. Re:Obama Policies Will Bankrupt USA Tsarkon Report by OMGcAPSLOCK · · Score: 4, Funny

    By all accounts the Queen is actually into gadgets. She even has a Wii.

    I assume that would be the "Royal Wii"?