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Ad Block Plus Filter Maintainer "rick752" Dies At 56

A user on Reddit pointed out that Richard "rick752" Petnel, maintainer of one of the most popular filter lists for Ad Block Plus, has passed away at age 56. In an article last year Petnel described a bit of what he was up against in the ad world. "'I'm playing against some pretty big players,' he said, explaining his reluctance to step forward. 'I don't want to be harassed. . . . I don't want to be bribed. I started it because I was frustrated with getting my computer infected from ads -- malware and spyware and all that stuff,' he said. 'I kind of went overboard with it. But you have to admit, it's pretty amazing, right?'" Update 15:05 GMT by SM: updated to reflect Rick's status as maintainer of the most popular Ad Block Plus filter as opposed to Ad Block Plus itself.

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  1. erm? by jaggeh · · Score: 4, Informative

    does this mean no new updates?

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    1. Re:erm? by twotailakitsune · · Score: 2, Insightful

      how is this a troll?

    2. Re:erm? by Z00L00K · · Score: 5, Informative

      As it turns out - he was a filter maintainer, one of the first, but AdBlock Plus is likely to remain.

      AdBlock Plus is one of the best add-ons that has been created for web browsers ever.

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    3. Re:erm? by mzs · · Score: 5, Informative

      From http://adblockplus.org/blog/sad-news

      "With his work, Rick helped improve the browsing experience for millions of people. And while he will be deeply missed, he built up a strong community that will be able to continue what he started. There are several strong candidates and I expect to announce Rick's successor as EasyList maintainer in the next few days."

      So essentially not too much to worry about, but yes that was indeed trollish to care more about yourself rather that the family and friends and publicly ask that question.

    4. Re:erm? by 0racle · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No it's not trollish. Most people have never met the guy. When a loss occurs you react in a way in line with how they impacted you. For the majority of people here, that was by creating and maintaining Ad Block Plus. Yes it's sad for his family and friends, but the primary concern for the users is what happens to the project.

      On top of that he asked on a tech site where someone might know, he didn't go up to the guys widow (or mother or whatever) and ask what's going to happen with the project.

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    5. Re:erm? by Sir_Dill · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Insensitive, Yes.

      Trollish, No.

      The poster brings up a very poignant and VERY on-topic question even if it was tactless. Not all of us have social skills.

      If the poster had posted anon THEN I would consider it a troll.

    6. Re:erm? by MyLongNickName · · Score: 5, Insightful

      how is this a troll?

      Because there is no "-1 Classless" mod?

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    7. Re:erm? by Kaboom13 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Seriously, who cares about "social skills" on an online forum for geeks? It's not like his family are going to read it. There's nothing insensitive about it, because the only people who will be offended will be people who didn't even know the guy having mock outrage on his behalf. I'm sorry if I don't want to cater to their imaginary grief.

      If Linus died, I would say that sucks, who is going to be the face of the Linux kernel now? I don't know him, a handful of people on here have probably interacted with him on a professional level, but I doubt there are any that would really be effected on a personal level. I'm sure there would be tons eager to proclaim "how dare you talk about the kernel at a time like this" etc. ad nasuem. Fuck that. They don't actually give a crap about the guy who died, in fact they are probably thinking the same question. They have just seized an opportunity to be the high and mighty self-appointed moral police, and to that I say Fuck you. I'd take a troll over you anyday.

    8. Re:erm? by MightyYar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So essentially not too much to worry about, but yes that was indeed trollish to care more about yourself rather that the family and friends and publicly ask that question.

      I disagree. When someone ties up I-95 with a big deadly car crash, I want to know when they'll re-open I-95, not how everyone is feeling.

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    9. Re:erm? by MrHanky · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm not sure it's so goddamn classless. It shows that someone who didn't know the anonymous guy or anything about him still cares about his work. It might be "insensitive" in some situations, but right here and now it's also a display of appreciation. This is Slashdot, not a funeral.

    10. Re:erm? by Ephemeriis · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If Linus died, I would say that sucks, who is going to be the face of the Linux kernel now? I don't know him, a handful of people on here have probably interacted with him on a professional level, but I doubt there are any that would really be effected on a personal level. I'm sure there would be tons eager to proclaim "how dare you talk about the kernel at a time like this" etc. ad nasuem. Fuck that. They don't actually give a crap about the guy who died, in fact they are probably thinking the same question. They have just seized an opportunity to be the high and mighty self-appointed moral police, and to that I say Fuck you. I'd take a troll over you anyday.

      Agreed.

      Yeah, it sucks that Rick died... I'm sure he was loved and his friends and family are in mourning... And I guess I'd rather he hadn't died... But, really, I don't know the guy. Didn't even know his name until this story showed up. I'm supposed to act heartbroken and sympathetic and stuff? Over some guy I never even knew?

      People die literally every second of every day. Turn on CNN and you'll see dozens of stories about shootings and disasters and accidents... Am I supposed to just sit around in a permanent state of mourning for all the people who are dying?

      A week or two back when Natasha Richardson died in that ski accident they had people calling in, weeping over their loss... Except that they didn't know Natasha. They weren't her friends or family. They were just random people who happened to see her in a movie, or hear her give an interview, or see her at a gathering... They had no real emotional connection to her. Whatever relationship they had, whatever person they thought she was - that was a creation of their own mind, not reality. And they were weeping as if their best friend had just died.

      Yes, it sucks that this person is gone. It sucks when most people die. But I didn't know them. I didn't know their friends or their family. I've got absolutely no ties to them at all. The only connection I have to this Rick guy is the fact that I use his filter... So, yeah, I'm concerned about the filter living on.

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    11. Re:erm? by eln · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm sorry, but this is one of the most disgusting comments I've ever read on Slashdot. It's not funny, it's not clever and it's not in good taste.

      Have a bit more respect for a bloke who did all us net users a service eh?

      Really? One of the most disgusting? I've seen things on this site that would make your eyes bleed, and you think a guy asking about AdBlock is disgusting? Get a grip, man. Either you browse at +4, you just joined 10 seconds ago, or you've recently suffered a major head injury and are suffering from amnesia. Either way, I wish you the best in your recovery.

      Also, I find the people faking moral outrage or deep sorrow over the death of someone they didn't know to be more disgusting than the OP. At least the OP is being honest with himself.

    12. Re:erm? by IGnatius+T+Foobar · · Score: 2, Funny

      If Linus died, I would say that sucks, who is going to be the face of the Linux kernel now?

      It would have to be someone who is as effective at Linus at managing DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS!!!

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    13. Re:erm? by plague3106 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's interesting the socially correct thing to do is pretend you care about someone whose name you may not even have heard before and to offer insincere condolences. Personally I wouldn't want to be hearing from a bunch of strangers if I lost someone again.

    14. Re:erm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      You really should have ended with:

      You sensitive clod!

    15. Re:erm? by mattwarden · · Score: 2, Insightful

      yes that was indeed trollish to care more about yourself rather that the family and friends and publicly ask that question.

      Uh, what? How about you answer me why this is news. Is it because this random guy died and his family is sad? No. Plenty of other people died in the last couple of days, too. It's news because it affects you.

      The real reason parent got modded troll is that he didn't act like he was more concerned for the family, which is what social norms say we're supposed to do. But the point is: it's fake.

    16. Re:erm? by arth1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And, assholishic comments aside, no one was asking anyone to mourn his loss. However, expressing sympathies when something like this happens is considered the socially correct thing to do, not kvetch about the product he is working on.

      There are plenty of blogging sites dedicated to doing the socially correct things. Slashdot isn't famous for being one of them.

      So what if it's insensitive? It's a valid nerd question, and one that I'm quite certain that quite a few readers here asked themselves before thinking about his family and friends. Everybody who used Easylist, I would think.

    17. Re:erm? by StikyPad · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not all the people, but maybe some of the people who did a significant amount of work to make your life better with no expectation of compensation. I mean, if open source is going to try to make any legitimate claims to an ethos, then those claims should be backed up with at least a bit of humanity. Not bothering to tip your hat at the death of someone who helped you out personally, regardless of whether there was a personal relationship, is in poor taste, to say the least.

      Now I'm not saying that YOU are the embodiment of OSS, or that WE should have some sort of wake or something (although any excuse to party is a good excuse). What I am saying is that people who create and contribute to OSS are acting in a manner that benefits society as much as, if not more than, the individual. That in and of itself deserves some recognition, at the very least when the contributor passes away. And if his work impacted you directly (as I'm sure it did for most Slashdotters), then the fact that you *didn't* know his name is, quite frankly, irrelevant to the fact that you do now, and you had a chance to at least express some gratitude, but instead created a rationale for why you can't be arsed.

    18. Re:erm? by Hatta · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'd rather be classless than humorless.

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    19. Re:erm? by plague3106 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not when you consider that all of us have dealt with someone's death and would like to at least *pretend* that we don't like to see it happen.

      Nobody suggested sending flowers, someone simply pointed out that it was crude.

      Why pretend? That seems more crude to me. Nobody was wishing death on the guy.. but the fact is to most people here he simply doesn't matter. My life is the same now as it would have been if I didn't see this story on /. and never knew he died. Sorry... that's just how it is.

      Sometimes you're supposed to do or not do things because it's acceptable or responsible.

      Yes, a lot of people would say that, and I'm questioning why. Why should anyone that had no clue of even his name before this story pretend to care that he's gone? Everyone's going to die, that's the cold fact of life. Those that knew him surely feel loss, and sure it sucks for them... but just for them. Or should they pretend to be sad if they ever found out I died? I doubt they would.. most likely, it would be "oh, that's too bad," and their life goes on unaffected. That's fine.. I'm not so self-centered that I think people that don't know me should care at all.

  2. What can you say. by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I feel for his family. I use and really like adblock plus but that is trivial compared to what his lose means to his family and friends.

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    1. Re:What can you say. by Norsefire · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Someone else can maintain AdBlock, no one else can be his daughter's father.

    2. Re:What can you say. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Someone else can maintain AdBlock, no one else can be his daughter's father.

      Someone else already does maintain Adblock Plus: Wladimir Palant. The summary is incorrect. Rick Petnel maintained the most popular filter list for Adblock, not the addon itself.

      That said, it still sucks for his family.

    3. Re:What can you say. by bitt3n · · Score: 2, Funny

      no one else can be his daughter's father.

      I thought the same until the day I learned that someone else is my daughter's father.

  3. Rest in peace, Mr. Petnel. by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You might have annoyed advertisers, but that's fine with me, because advertisers used to annoy the shit out of me. Thanks to AdBlock Plus, I no longer have to be annoyed by adverts when I go online.

    1. Re:Rest in peace, Mr. Petnel. by pipboy9999 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I some times forget that the internet has adds thanks to ABP. I am reminded how much I love ABP when I use some one else's computer.

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    2. Re:Rest in peace, Mr. Petnel. by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That wasn't his problem, and it isn't mine. If you can't support a website without annoying people (and, yes, ads are really fucking annoying) then your website might not be as valuable as you think it is.

    3. Re:Rest in peace, Mr. Petnel. by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Not to mention as a PC repairman it has really helped me move folks away from the ubercrap that is IE. I would get a call to go out and fix a home user/SOHO/small business and I always carry my flash with me loaded with computer repair utility toolkit and portable Firefox with Adblock Plus installed. It never seems to fail that I have this conversation:

      "Hey, how come I don't see that stupid 'hit the clown and win an iPod ad'?" that is because with Firefox 3 and Adblock Plus I don't have to look at stupid ads anymore. Makes my day nicer and my browser load quicker to boot. "I bet that is expensive and really hard to set up,huh?" Nope, it is absolutely free, no adware or spyware either, and with Adblock Plus I answer a single question and I'm done. It even updates itself so as new ads or Internet bugs come along I don't have to worry. "Uuuhh, since you are here anyway, do you think you could install that to MY machine?"

      I can't count how many times I have had that conversation. I even managed to get my Luddite 67 year old dad to get off IE. Trying to sell folks security is like trying to sell them air. They know they need it but actually getting them to grasp it is NOT easy. Thanks to Adblock Plus getting them switched to a more secure browser is simple as 1-2-3. 1-Let them see me using FF3 with Adblock Plus. 2-Tell them it is free and easy when asked 3-Install FF3 and Adblock Plus when requested by the user(which they always do). So my heart goes out to their family. Guys like Rick have done more to spread FOSS than any bullet pointed list about security ever could. Thanks to Adblock Plus the web is what I WANT it to be, not what some damned irritating advertiser makes it into. He really was one of the unsung heroes of FOSS because by maintaining the Adblock Plus list he made FF3 an easy sell to every IE user I've come in contact with.

      And for those that suggested a HOSTS file, aka the Cheap Opera hack? That is NOT easy, in fact for the average home user maintaining a HOSTS file is strange and difficult. With FF3 and Adblock Plus they don't have to do ANYTHING, as the software does it all for them. Can't get much simpler than that.

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    4. Re:Rest in peace, Mr. Petnel. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      He also annoyed websites by removing their ability to pay for their hosting. Yay.

      No loss. When websites and advertisers get it through their thick skulls that people won't block advertising that's useful to them then maybe good websites will prosper and everybody will benefit.

      Most web publishers are so focused on maximizing their ad revenue they lose sight of the fact that obtrusive advertising clutters and reduces the net value of their website. To below zero for many viewers.

    5. Re:Rest in peace, Mr. Petnel. by Directrix1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Without advertising you often have to either charge for access to your website, or rake in donations. You are being very naive with your assumptions.

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    6. Re:Rest in peace, Mr. Petnel. by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Without advertising you often have to either charge for access to your website, or rake in donations. You are being very naive with your assumptions.

      Seems to me that you are the one being naive. The market determines the viability of the business model - not how much effort you put into it. If the market decides that advertising support is unacceptable, then that's just the way it is. You might as well be claiming that your website needs bailout money.

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  4. RIP by saleenS281 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's a bit young to go, but at least he lived a full life. I wonder what the heck he died from "after a brief illness". Given it's a hospice, I can only imagine an aggressive cancer.

    1. Re:RIP by mzs · · Score: 4, Informative

      He had a stroke about two weeks ago:

      http://forums.lanik.us/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=3366

      "Rick had suffered a stroke on St Patrick' Day"

  5. Love the product by klui · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Didn't know the man, but I love the product. It's comforting to know he won't have to worry about ads any more.

    1. Re:Love the product by melikamp · · Score: 5, Funny

      How do you know there are no ads in Heaven?

    2. Re:Love the product by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      .... uhm because you know the marketing types all go to hell.

    3. Re:Love the product by BESTouff · · Score: 5, Insightful

      .. because there's no heaven ?

  6. The announcement on the EasyList forum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
  7. Donations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Donations made to:

    Community Hospice of Albany
    445 New Karner Rd.
    Albany, NY 12205

    1. Re:Donations by awpoopy · · Score: 3, Informative

      From the Obituary:
      "In lieu of flowers, memorial contributions may be sent to:
      Community Hospice of Albany
      445 New Karner Rd., Albany, NY 12205.
      To leave a special message for the family online, visit www.NewcomerAlbany.com"

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  8. So young... by Thanshin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A close friend has recently died at a similar age and it's so strange to think of all the plans we make for after retirement, never contemplating we may never reach it...

    1. Re:So young... by MightyYar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      One day, you'll have kids. Then come back and read this comment :)

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  9. Condolences.. and kudos by lawaetf1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    First and foremost, condolences to the family.

    Second, Rich, thanks for a powerful plugin that I'm sure has kept my blood pressure down a few notches. Whenever I use a browser that doesn't have adBlock installed I am aghast at the irritating clutter that is on most web pages.

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  10. AdBlock Plus still maintained by Wladimir Palant by Briareos · · Score: 5, Informative

    Though it's sad that the maintainer of one of AdBlock Plus' block lists (the "EasyList") died he still wasn't the maintainer of AdBlock Plus itself.

    That's still Wladimir Palant, as can be easily seen here.

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    "I'm not anti-anything, I'm anti-everything, it fits better." - Sole

  11. His legacy is that a lot of us enjoy surfing more by AnalPerfume · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The battles of advertising & greed / annoying customers was always gonna go like this. They need to keep hitting targets, which means more eyeballs. They know that only a small percentage of eyeballs who see the advert actually convert to cash, so they need more eyeballs to be a bigger pool.

    That means they are more in-your-face, more determined to ignore your option not to see them. This in turn leads to people like Rick taking a stand which leads to all of us AdBlockPlus users having a better surfing experience.

    Advertisers have brought it upon themselves by being aggressively greedy. It's a numbers game which is backfiring to some extent as more people decide that enough is enough and they block all adverts. Unfortunately this greed by the super-corps has hindered the little guys who rely on adverts and use them subtly and responsibly as they are blocked too by users. Then.....since when has any CEO been ousted for considering the little guy? It's all "ME! ME! ME!".

  12. Re:first post! by Shakrai · · Score: 4, Funny

    Naw, ya gotta go classy. Discount caskets aren't classy. Now a Folger's coffee can and scattering the ashes when the wind is in your face.... that's classy ;)

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  13. Re:i'm not usually the tin foil hat kind of person by Norsefire · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If Google were smart they would capitalise on this by having a memorial, say turning off ads in GMail for a day. Sure, they would lose profit but the amount of good-will they would make would be priceless.

  14. What should we do? by XB-70 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Given the importance of what he has accomplished in the world cluttered with unwanted marketing, his memory deserves something special.

    I'm interested in your thoughts. What about a completely ad-free town? Is there a small town somewhere that is willing to go completely ad-free (maybe there already is one)?

    Maybe ad-free stretched of road (with anonymous sponsors)!!

    Perhaps a huge billboard that is perpetually kept empty (or has only news/info on it).

    Let's do something really good to commemorate this guy's vision.

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  15. Somehow I imagine... by Hurricane78 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...some kind of Internet-equivalent of a statue built for him, and the creator(s) of the original AdBlock (of whose I can't even find the names :/).
    Without this little extension, the Internet would be unusable for me, and many, many other people.

    Any suggestions besides making AdBlock Plus a community project and maybe even integrate it into Firefox itself? (After all, I don't know a more important extension. If I would have to choose between having tabs and having ads blocked, I'd always choose the ad blocker.)

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    1. Re:Somehow I imagine... by Gamma747 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I doubt ABP will ever be integrated into Firefox. Remember, Mozilla gets most of their funding from Google.

  16. AdBlock by bjorniac · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He made the world a little bit better for a whole lot of people, quietly and effectively. There's almost no higher purpose in life.

    1. Re:AdBlock by wolf12886 · · Score: 4, Informative

      If only this could be modded higher than 5

  17. Some details... by InvisiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

    From that post:
    It's with great sadness that have to announce the passing of a good friend and our EasyList author, Rick752. Rick had suffered a stroke on St Patrick' Day, and I was just informed that Rick had passed away last evening. During this short period, while hospitalized, Rick had his family very close by his side. There was some able communication and awareness between Rick and his family before his passing and although given this short period to "prepare" for the inevitable, this news (as with any of this type) is still quite shocking and difficult to accept.

  18. RIP my friend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I never knew you but as recently as Saturday I was bragging about your awesomeness.

  19. Re:Ditch MS Windows and set up an IP filter list by Shads · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've been using adblock plus for years now, and I can count the times I needed to disable it or allow something through it because a item or site I wanted to use wasn't working.

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  20. No tears shed for intrusive advertising by Scutter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I read the article associated and all I heard from the content owners' side was "If you block our ads, we lose revenue!" It seems to me that if websites stopped using more and more intrusive ad techniques that people would be less likely to want to use ad-blockers. You already know your customers hate pop-ups, so the ads get blocked. Your answer is to use pop-unders instead, trying to circumvent the wishes of your target customer. You know they block half the ads on your site, so you double the ads and spread the content out over twice as many pages. Again, your customer has already told you what they want, but you insist that you know better.

    Seriously, I'm getting tired of website owners and advertisers continuing to whine about how we won't let them bug us. If you want me to look at your ads, stop making them annoy me so much! Stop using blinking, flashing banners (too bad the BLINK tag didn't take you with it when that died), stop using javascript banners that are as likely to infect my computer as not. Stop trying to "bundle" your adware with anything I want to install.

    If you make your ads play nice with me, I'll stop using ad-blocker software. I'll look at your ads and I might even buy something from them.

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  21. This means DONATE. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you liked the software, donate money to his family to help cover funeral costs, or donate money to the charity listed in his obituary, Community Hospice of Albany, as a last tribute to someone whose work you've enjoyed over the years.
     
    Someone else will maintain adblock plus. It could even be you!
     
    ...Though it'd be deliciously ironic as a Googler's 20% project.

  22. Re:His legacy is that a lot of us enjoy surfing mo by DigitalSorceress · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Of course, it never quite occurrs to them that the more obnoxious they get with their ads, the more people who will resort to blocking technologies.

    Back when ads were just simple banner images without all the annoying pop-up, pop-under, flashing, and annoying sounds, I didn't really mind them. As they started adding those annoying features, I went out of my way to actively block them.

    From that point on, just about ANY ad on a web page (except for the non-annoying google text ones) pretty much turns me off from the advertiser... if I could see them which I pretty much don't due to the aforementioned blocking.

    By definition, anyone who is willingly blocking advertisements is probably among the vast majority of people who are NOT likely to click through anyway. If I were an advertiser, I'd be glad they were out of the pool. Of course, I'm pretty sure most web advertising providers charge by impression (cuz they'd go broke if they charged for actual results.

    The real money in Internet advertising isn't in having your ad be successful, it's in providing services to those who THINK they're going to make money advertising their wares.

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    The Digital Sorceress
  23. Re:first post! by sandmaninator · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...and getting the ashes caught in your beard, no less.

  24. UK consumers willing to block ads for free content by David+Gerard · · Score: 2, Funny

    60% of UK consumers are willing to browse with an ad-blocker in return for free videos, music and other content, a survey has revealed.

    "This willingness to pretend to view adverts in exchange for free content is good news for sites wanting to lie to advertisers, and is perhaps a pointer in the ongoing debate over whether advertising or subscription is the right revenue model," said Tudor Aw at KPMG.

    40% said they would pretend to accept popups, popunders, interstitials, Phorm, floating windows, Flash videos that start playing sound automatically, eye-gouging animations and 2o7.net cookies in exchange for free music. 16% said they would pay to avoid ads. The rest would continue to use BitTorrent or Mozilla Firefox with AdBlock.

    People were more willing to pay on mobile phones, unless they had a modern phone with which they could steal someone's WiFi connection.

    Google, the world's largest online advertising agency, said it was looking into tastefully-interspersed direct content advertising and brand placement, and added that you should PUNCH THE MONKEY TO WIN £20,000!!! If you know what's good for you.

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  25. Re:first post! by Cryophallion · · Score: 2, Funny

    I prefer Eli Stone, who used Chock Full O Nuts (which was symbolic.... and fitting).

  26. Re:Ditch MS Windows and set up an IP filter list by MightyYar · · Score: 5, Informative

    So you click the big stop sign and then click "Disable on Hulu.com". You are seriously arguing that this is a problem?

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  27. Re:I'd like a few things cleared up by Chad+Birch · · Score: 4, Informative

    Just install Ad Block Plus, after the Firefox restart associated with installing it, you'll get a popup asking you to choose a list. The default (which is EasyList, the one maintained by rick752) will do the job very well.

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  28. Re:I'd like a few things cleared up by Yosho · · Score: 4, Informative

    What is the difference between Ad Block and Ad Block Plus?

    Adblock Plus is faster, has more powerful filtering rules, and has a cleaner subscription mechanism. There is no reason to use the original Adblock any more. Go with ABP.

    Do I need to get blacklists elsewhere or are they included in the above-mentioned extensions?

    You do not need to manually download any blacklists. ABP supports subscribing to remote blacklists, which it will automatically update itself from. It will automatically suggest a few lists to subscribe to when you first install it.

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  29. Devil's Advocate by mrops · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Trying to play Devils advocate.

    As a user of AdBlock plus myself, I do often wonder how many services that I perceive free have advert revenue behind them. Will we see these services disappear as usage of ad blocking tools continue when they cannot generate enough revenue?

    1. Re:Devil's Advocate by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It is up to the advertisers to come up with a system that works, not up to the consumers to follow the advertisers' system. It is also up to the web sites to find a way to generate revenue. If throwing up ads aren't doing that, it is time for a new strategy.

      As of now a very low percentage of internet users are using ad blocking software, so I doubt it will become that big of an issue. But you never know.

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    2. Re:Devil's Advocate by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 3, Informative

      I compromise: I allow static images through the filter with @@|$image

    3. Re:Devil's Advocate by Z00L00K · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Interesting question, but the need of adblock tools have originated from the excessive ads that takes over all resources and makes the ads the primary content and the page the secondary content.

      If the ads weren't so bad and stressing then the need for adblockers would be small.

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    4. Re:Devil's Advocate by melikamp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, well, they are getting smarter. Especially with video streams, they have an option of gluing the ad stream to the content, which would render ABP useless. But then again, there are other places to get your TV fix, completely ad free[1].

      Besides streaming, they have no hope. Just like with spam, but even more so, website ads are susceptible to filtering by content. It would be a nice project to have: a trainable plug-in which allows the user to mark ads by clicking on them (if they are objects) or by selecting pieces of text. If a well-trained filter can block, say, 95% of all ads on your favorite website, then you feel 20 times better and they are totally boned. What are they going to do?, post 20 times more ads?

      [1] Although the websites themselves may be littered with ads :)

    5. Re:Devil's Advocate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The secret stays in the amount of ads vs. useful material a website offer. When there were simple text ads or decently sized banners nobody thought of a way to block them; things changed when sites were filled with flashing stuff, animations, popups, multiple page articles etc.
      It's sad that also the few businesses making money from real content and unobtrusive advertising are hurt by ad filters, but they should blame who abused the web using every possible technology to hide the actual content behind the ads, not pissed off users.

    6. Re:Devil's Advocate by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 4, Insightful

      think that they just need to be more clever about the ads

      Yes... like stop the jumping jiggling flashing so fucking annoying that I can't actually read the content I went there to read. Personally I have nothing against ads being on the page I'm reading. But when they get annoying because of an extremely high 'look at me I'm annoying as hell' factor, I stop looking at that ad permanently with a filter. It is really a companies own fault if people filter out their advertisements after they hire an ad agency that they seem to think that the only way to sell on the Internet is to create ads that are the equivalent of the late night gizmo pitch men who yell at the top of their lungs with the most annoying voice imaginable. It might be possible that it is the web site owner's fault as well for allowing advertisements that annoy their users too.

      If the ad people who seem to think it is important to annoy you in order to make an ad 'work well', would get over that fallacy, people would leave the ads alone. I've seen a lot of very clever ads that have good old fashioned static images. But perhaps now-a-days, clever is being replaced by stupid blunt force trauma on the senses. Too bad, 'cause like grandma used to say, "You attract more flies with honey than with vinegar." I never figured out why she wanted to catch flies anyway.

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    7. Re:Devil's Advocate by Mordok-DestroyerOfWo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is how I rationalize it to myself. Not once have I intentionally clicked on an advertisement. By blocking them from my sight I am not depriving them of any clicks. By the same token flipping the channel while watching local TV doesn't make one a pirate because they're not watching the affiliate's commercials does it?

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    8. Re:Devil's Advocate by BrokenHalo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes... like stop the jumping jiggling flashing so fucking annoying that I can't actually read the content I went there to read.

      The worst ones are the frames (some javascript artifact?) that pop up and follow your cursor, hiding the content underneath. Adblock and flashblock just don't work on those things. Bastards.

      Fortunately, my hosts file kills some of them, but whoever came up with the idea needs to be pegged out on a beach at low tide.

    9. Re:Devil's Advocate by jonaskoelker · · Score: 2, Funny

      @@|$image

      perl: post27477037.pl, line 1: insufficient line noise.

    10. Re:Devil's Advocate by arth1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Probably, but then so what? We pay for them now through the products that we buy.

      This is very true, and if it wasn't for the rest of your post, I would have recommended a +1 Insightful. Advertising isn't money appearing from nowhere. Someone pays for the advertising. With less advertising, there will be more money left to actually enhance products, who will have to sell on merit, not hype. But the money will be spread out less, and those who live on siphoning advertising will see their revenue dry up. Again, so what. The money is still there, you just have to shift your siphons.

      If a service has demand, then it will be provided at some price.

      Mostly, yes. There might be legal or moral roadblocks, and there is the question whether "some price" equals "an affordable price".

      Frankly, I think that they just need to be more clever about the ads. Display ads through the main server instead of directly from a 3rd party, change up the div names randomly to thwart the filters, more use of text ads, etc. This shouldn't be rocket science.

      Do you really think that by forcing an ad on a user that has already demonstrated a strong desire not to see the ad, you will increase sales?
      If anything, I would think that this kind of action will alienate the potential customer even more, even to the point of triggering boycotts, both of the web site that engages in the practice and the products advertised through warfare.

    11. Re:Devil's Advocate by jesdynf · · Score: 2, Informative

      I've never used AdBlock — I just use NoScript. I'm not blocking based on content, I'm just enforcing tighter security on my computer.

      It cleanly kneecaps admonger arguments — static ads (I also disable animated gifs) and text ads display just fine, but you don't have my permission to run Flash, Java, or JavaScript on my system. And strangely enough, NoScript's control is finely-grained enough to give a site general permission to execute content without also granting access to skeevyads.cx and other bastions of consumer rights.

      (And I'd use NoScript even if it did none of those things, because the act of *not loading a PDF by default* has saved me hours and hours of dodging lockups and crashes.)

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    12. Re:Devil's Advocate by Paxton · · Score: 2, Informative

      The worst ones are the frames (some javascript artifact?) that pop up and follow your cursor, hiding the content underneath. Adblock and flashblock just don't work on those things.

      Try NoScript (noscript.net). It is a bit of a hassle until your trusted sites are added, but it sure saves a lot of trouble in the long run.

  30. Egotism vs Egoism by brian0918 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You must make a distinction between the egotist and the egoist. The first boasts to his friends and holds their opinions of himself above his own. The second looks to himself for his inspiration and motivation. They both claim "pride", but the former is a false pride. You can expect the first to manipulate/lie to others when it is convenient to do so. The latter would not even conceive of it - not because of some commandment that must be followed, but simply because it would never come to mind.

  31. Re:i'm not usually the tin foil hat kind of person by iYk6 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Everybody who knows Rick doesn't view ads, and doesn't contribute to Google's income.

  32. This does underscore one flaw in OSS by rAiNsT0rm · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm a big fan of both this project and the Open Source movement in general, but this does show off one major flaw in the system. Just like the proverbial bus that is so widely feared and runs down IT folks everywhere, many projects are small and while there may be many contributors there is one main person whom without the project would fail. When that person meets that proverbial bus, in an instant a widely used and relied upon piece of software can become dead as well. That's a major problem.

    If things were truly born of chaos like we seem to think, these things would have no impact... but there is still a major underlying structure and hierarchy to this "chaos" and it is quite fragile.

    The biggest barrier is ego, quickly followed by celebrity. It is hard for the creator of some neat widget to give up total control and truly step back and just share the success with those who hopped onto "their" project after the fact, but that is what needs to happen. There should never be less than two individuals at every level of a serious project, and both need to be fully competent... but that is not the case, even in very large projects.

    * Oh, and give up on bashing the people who are concerned about what this means as to updates/life of the project... none of us were his good friend and the question is not callous or insensitive.

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    1. Re:This does underscore one flaw in OSS by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm a big fan of both this project and the Open Source movement in general, but this does show off one major flaw in the system.

      No, it really doesn't, there has already been an announcement that several maintainers are in the running and one will be announced shortly. This will probably not affect anyone who doesn't know the guy personally at all. Nothing to see here from a technical, use perspective.

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    2. Re:This does underscore one flaw in OSS by chammy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      At least it's still open source! If a commercial project was struck dead by a company going bankrupt, it would be gone, not just dead. I would prefer missing the developer over missing the entire project anyday.

  33. "Turned Off"..... by IHC+Navistar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    FTFA:

    "Just imagine, they argue, what television programs would be available if there were no commercials to fund their production. "

    -TV show funding comes from the corporations that provide the financial backing from a variety of sources, not just advertising. Plus, the advertising products through ads isn't the only way companies let people know about their products. I can go to several sites and look to see what's new and available. You can use many ways of finding out about products on the Internet at anytime. On TV, you can only watch either the program or the advertisements at any one time. You can change the channel, but you will be watching something other than what you wanted to watch in the first place.

    Advertisers should take note: If someone creates a way to NOT look at ads, and the means of blocking the ads are being adopted by more and more users, then that is a *VERY* strong sign that people do not want to see the ads. If people are blocking the ads, then advertisers should understand that whether they show the ads or not, people are most likely NOT going to buy the product or service being advertised. Companies will save money by not wasting it on advertising products that are not going to be bought, and consumers will go to places where they can voluntarily look for a product or service on their own, without having an ad shoved in their face.

    People are most likely going to buy things when they need or want them, and when they do, they'll go looking for them. When you walk up to someone and constantly try to sell them something that they weren't looking for in the first place (think TRADE SHOWS), you'll definitely piss them off to some degree and they probably won't but it. Ever get annoyed by people begging for a handout outside a business's doors? That's exactly what ad companies are doing, except advertising on the internet it the equivalent of following you throughout the store and continually giving you sales pitches the entire time you're there. Whiny kids are bad enough, but a salesman attached to your back like a remora is even worse.

    Anyways, maybe less TV shows for people to watch would mean more people going outside and having some good, old-fashioned fun as a source of enjoyment.

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  34. Re:first post! by Rip+Dick · · Score: 2, Funny

    it really brought the room together...

  35. Or do what I did... by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...when I had my own shitty little website where I posted the shitty little stories I used to write: pay the hosting bill by working a day job. Again, the need to depend on advertising, subscriptions, donations, or a day job is not my concern. I don't run a website; I just use them. If I find your ads obnoxious, I will block them without apology.

  36. Re:Ditch MS Windows and set up an IP filter list by Shads · · Score: 3, Informative

    No, actually I was arguing the opposite, but managed to delete the "I've had to do this on one hand." part somehow while I was editing.

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  37. Re:The extensions you need for Firefox. by Thinboy00 · · Score: 2, Informative

    You can just Tools->Options (or Edit->Preferences) and then Privacy tab->Cookies->Keep until I close Firefox. You can then use the exceptions button or even the "site info" dialog box to decide who gets to give you permanent cookies. No extension needed!

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