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EFF Says Obama Warrantless Wiretap Defense Is Worse than Bush

SonicSpike writes "The Electronic Frontier Foundation has just said that 'In the warrantless wiretapping case, Obama DOJ's new arguments are worse than Bush's.'"

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  1. Re:Change by InsaneProcessor · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Can you get the terrorists to stop violating human rights?

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  2. Re:RTFS?? by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    We did grow up. Notice the results of the last Senate and Presidential elections?

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  3. Re:I see two possibilities here... by ravenshrike · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Bush was from Chicago? Obama is a very different mold than Bush. Bush had principles, although even those were being eroded by the end of 8 years. Obama came into the game WITHOUT principles. That makes him infinitely more dangerous. Bush at least had to rationalize stuff to himself to support it. Obama doesn't.

  4. Re:And Krugman says his bank bail out... by smooth+wombat · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Actually, I am talking about the lib philosophy "do whatever feels good at the moment and screw any consequences later".

    Which is comparable to the conservative philosophy of "debt doesn't matter"?

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  5. Re:RTFS?? by DarkOx · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Sounds like an Obama voter to me. They don't understand what the terrorists wanted as a totalitarian regime in America that would stop exporting our culture and stop showing the world the virtue a freedom.

    Well with Obama we have exactly that. The only rights we have now that will actually be respected is the right to have Obama's puppet masters tell us what to do. The mans actions this week have been nothing short of treasonous.

    Anyone looking at the news and thinking about it longer than 5min this week can tell Obama has plainly acted against US interests. He should not only be impeached, but probably executed. They only thing is we could never get a conviction because the people who really control him happen to be the same people who would need to vote to convict.

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  6. Re:This needs to get press. by jcnnghm · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    There's a very good explanation for that. Liberals are sore losers. If you can't win, demand a recount. If you can't cheat through the recount, protest. If you can't protest, bitch.

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  7. Re:RTFS?? by Knara · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    The US is not at war and hasn't been for quite a few decades now, so.... yeah, there goes part of your argument. Unless "any armed conflict" is a war, at which case we can never criticize the government or its executive officers at any time, since the US always engaged in armed conflict *somewhere* in the world. There goes your "freedom of speech" and democratic political process. The President is a public figure and not royalty, we can say almost anything we really want about him or her.

    What *really* happened is that the Dixie Chicks hurt your little bitty baby Texan feelings by saying that they were ashamed that the president at the time (who was, indeed, one of the worst presidents to ever occupy the office) was from Texas (not to mention that Texans managed to elect him as governor in their supreme wisdom). Grow up. It's people like you that perpetuate the idea that Texas is full of simpleminded idiots who still think we're living in the late 19th century. Protip: You're just a US State now. You will never be independant of the US, and you don't *want* to be, as you'd last about a month without the federal infrastructure. All you are, as a state now, is part of a buffer zone that keeps Mexico's problems from effecting the parts of the US that are actually important.

    Have a nice day :)

  8. Re:RTFS?? by Touvan · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I bet you think a responsible budget looks like more tax cuts for those who already don't pay much in taxes - guys that sit on the corporate board of Enron and AIG.

  9. Re:RTFS?? by mgabrys_sf · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Hilarious. That's so deep. Did you clear your bong rip when you typed that fucking trite shit?

    Tell your brain to grow a pair or please - for the love of Darwin - kill yourself.

  10. Re:Aren't we talking about wire tapping? by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Reading comprehension is a wonderful thing, you should try it.

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  11. Re:RTFS?? by dave87656 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    They don't understand what the terrorists wanted as a totalitarian regime in America that would stop exporting our culture and stop showing the world the virtue a freedom.

    Well, isn't that what we had with Bush? I mean, he was the first candidate to actively push for NOT counting votes. He passed the Patriot Act. Sounds like a terrorist's dream.