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FCC Seeks To Improve US Broadband Access

MojoKid writes "The US Federal Communications Commission is working on a plan to solve the problem of nationwide access to high-speed Internet service. The three main issues the agency is tackling first are, figuring out how to improve availability, quality and affordability. Acting FCC Chairman Michael J. Copps held a meeting this week where he asked the public to comment on the national broadband plan, which Congress has demanded be done by February. The public has 60 days to submit comments; the agency and members of the public will be able to reply to comments for an additional 30 days after that."

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  1. The plan is known by the colloquial title: by FlyingSquidStudios · · Score: 2, Funny

    The Porno for Podunk Plan

  2. Simple by chill · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Next time you auction off spectrum that could be used for JUST THIS PURPOSE, stop setting the minimum bids at astronomical numbers. "Public benefit" doesn't necessarily mean "get as much money for the gov't as possible".

    Some good 700 MHz spectrum, at cheap to nothing rates, would spur small businesses to be created to provide access at costs much more in line with what people can pay. You know, if the entry costs weren't more than the GDP of a 3rd World Nation it might spur some innovation.

    Then reduce the bureaucracy and cost of getting a license to use that spectrum.

    Idiots.

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    1. Re:Simple by Renraku · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Auction off something cheap, so some companies could get a start.

      No big company would EVER use their resources to start a smaller puppet company who's sole intention was to buy a piece of the spectrum and sell service for rates as absurd as text messaging rates..just to keep the competition away.

      Never!

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    2. Re:Simple by postbigbang · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Resist wireless. It's a short term ploy that isn't even 'broadband'. Modulation schemes today require lots of nearby APs, and that sucks.

      Instead, the USA has to buckle down and run fiber, like we did twisted pairs decades and decades ago. Wireless sounds good until you realize just what a rotten long term investment. Remember 802.11a, then, b, then g, and now the might-one-day-be-ratified n? Or how about that great WhyMax stuff? Want some LTE anyone? How about some bonded channels for GSM? Really-- trenched fiber is the best long term way to go. If you invested 20 years ago, you're still using it and haven't found an upper end limit to its capacity for speed.

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    3. Re:Simple by causality · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Next time you auction off spectrum that could be used for JUST THIS PURPOSE, stop setting the minimum bids at astronomical numbers. "Public benefit" doesn't necessarily mean "get as much money for the gov't as possible".

      Some good 700 MHz spectrum, at cheap to nothing rates, would spur small businesses to be created to provide access at costs much more in line with what people can pay. You know, if the entry costs weren't more than the GDP of a 3rd World Nation it might spur some innovation.

      Then reduce the bureaucracy and cost of getting a license to use that spectrum.

      Idiots.

      I think a big part of the problem is that right now, most people who have any choice at all have a choice between two monopolies: telco and cable. Your idea would provide that missing "third option". An agile competitor with minimal infrastructure costs, license costs, and other barriers to entry might just provide the innovation and options that are sorely missing from the monopolies.

      I say that with the assumption that what you had in mind was WiMax or something like it. Although it would be yet another monopoly, this also makes me wonder what happened to the internet-over-powerlines idea. The above was my realistic response to you. What follows is what I'd like to see despite how unrealistic it may be.

      What I'd really like to see is a more decentralized Internet. This is more like the mesh networks consisting of many low-power wireless connections that communicate with each other. On a truly decentralized Internet, it would be impossible for any single entity to force filtering, censorship, deep packet inspection, bandwidth caps, and the like on large numbers of people who do not want them. It would also be a truly "public benefit" as in owned and operated by Joe Public instead of owned and operated by large, centralized, political bureaucracies in Joe Public's name. Right now this may not be feasible or likely but it would be pleasing to see a step in that direction. Of course, I would not expect the FCC to encourage this idea at all, for it would reduce the amount of control they now enjoy, but that's why I call this unrealistic.

      Just as an aside, isn't there currently a lot of dark fiber? If there is a large amount of it, does anyone know why it's not currently being used, or have an idea of what could be done with it?

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    4. Re:Simple by Urza9814 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem with your ideal solution is it's pretty much impossible to connect to areas of low population or between areas of dense population. A mesh network might work OK throughout downtown New York City (though I have doubts on that even - it seems to me there would be a huge amount of stress on the nodes towards the center), but how are you going to connect NYC to LA? Or even NYC to Boston? Hell, even my house, in a small university town near Pittsburgh, would have nearly no connectivity - my house is only about 10-20 yards away from my neighbors, but even that is too far for a decent WiFi signal...and there are _many_ houses around me that are quite a bit further apart. And even if you managed to network our neighborhood through WiMax or something, you have a three or four mile stretch in to town, mostly forest. And even if you overcame that, somehow, without putting excessive strain on the one or two links between them, then you have to find some way to link our small town to the next one, a good 30+ miles away. I suppose there are one or two highways that might have enough houses along them if you can find a wireless technology that can reach 5-10 miles, but then you're talking one or two stress points for the entire town's connection. How are you going to handle that much traffic over a wireless link? And I don't even want to think about trying to connect places in Wyoming or something. Unless you're talking ultra slow connections through HF radio, wireless just isn't going to cut it. And hell, even that probably wouldn't work out too well.

      Basically, to mesh network any sizable percentage of the nation, you need wireless technologies that can reach tens or hundreds of miles and can support at least tens of thousands of connections routing through a single node. I admit I don't know that much about radio technology, but it doesn't seem very feasible to me.

    5. Re:Simple by commodore64_love · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Fiber is simply too expensive. Have you ever driven across the continent? Well I have. Several times. There's a whole lot of *nothing* out there and digging up literally millions of miles of dirt to run fiber to farmhouses is going to cost a shitload of money.

      I still think DSL is the answer to getting highspeed internet to isolated locations like Wyoming or Idaho or Montana. The copper lines are already present, so all the telephone company needs do is install the DSLAM for any customer that requests an upgrade (as mandated by a new law). Even if the wires are relatively poor condition, they should be able to handle 1000 kbit/s speeds, which is far superior to current dialup maximums of 50. And most importantly: It's a cheap upgrade that minimizes the burden on taxpayers.

      BTW my current speed happens to be 700k, not by limitation but by choice. $15 a month is all I'm willing to spend, and it works great. I just finished watching the latest Supernatural episode at cwtv.com - no problems whatsoever. I don't need a 50,000 kbit/s line just as I don't need an 800 horsepower NASCAR to get to work.

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    6. Re:Simple by postbigbang · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Haven't done the math, have you? Haven't talked to people in Montana, Utah, and other places that are doing fiber today, doing it cheaply, and getting bandwidth to dream of.

      There are some places where the economics won't work. Consider them the last mile +. Get them with point-to-point WiMax or a cellular... or at worst, a sat dish.

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    7. Re:Simple by Rockoon · · Score: 2

      You can run one wire to each town, to just one location in town, and wirelessly connect the whole town..

      ...should be significantly cheaper than running wire to every home.

      A decent wireless broadband service will eventualy come.. likely to be from the cell services, since they already have sites well located and contracted: they just need the proper equipment and the incentive to do it.

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    8. Re:Simple by greedom · · Score: 2, Interesting

      causality (777677) says: "I think a big part of the problem is that right now, most people who have any choice at all have a choice between two monopolies: telco and cable. Your idea would provide that missing "third option". An agile competitor with minimal infrastructure costs, license costs, and other barriers to entry might just provide the innovation and options that are sorely missing from the monopolies." Yeah America really fumbled the ball on that one, falling far behind due to corruption and greed. Sounds pretty bad for you guys, until you come to where I live, America's hat, Canada. There are even fewer corporations that completely dominate the phone, cell phone, satellite, cable, DSL and broadband industry are given the power to govern themselves and (cell phones in particular) contracts are outrageously expensive and restricting. You'd best make sure you're damn well financially stable before you get a cell in Canada.

    9. Re:Simple by RockWolf · · Score: 3, Funny

      I don't need a 50,000 kbit/s line just as I don't need an 800 horsepower NASCAR to get to work.

      That's unamerican! Hand in your SUV's keys on your way out to the bus stop, you dirty hippie. ~

      /~Rockwolf

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  3. Monopolies by Chabo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Make it harder for companies to have monopolies or duopolies. This is the system that's in place in most areas of the nation outside big cities.

    Other companies may technically have an opportunity to join in and provide service to the people, but in practice it's just not possible anymore.

    A friend of mine used to work at an ISP in New Hampshire. His company sent letters to all of their customers basically saying "Please support the legislation that will limit Verizon's stranglehold on New Hampshire". The ISPs connection to the outside world (provided by Verizon, surprise-surprise) went down that night. Two days later, they got a Verizon employee on the phone who apparently wasn't "in on it", and he was like "Oh, how did this configuration get changed?" and turned their connection back on.

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    1. Re:Monopolies by JimXugle · · Score: 2, Funny

      But duopolies serve a purpose!

      Someone needs to drop your connection for days at a time with no explanation or refund... and piling all that non-work on one company is just too much.

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    2. Re:Monopolies by subreality · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Make it harder for companies to have monopolies or duopolies. This is the system that's in place in most areas of the nation outside big cities.

      Seconded, and it's not even hard to do. Here's how:

      Municipalize the last mile. Take it away from the telco monopolies. Sell access freely to anyone at fair rates as a municipal service, just like water service. Let people plug in any service they want on the other end of the wire. That might be AT&T, giving you phone and internet. It might be some local ISP just giving you DSL and IPTV service. Guaranteed, though, competition will explode overnight.

      What, copper's not good enough? Quit waiting for some slow telco to deign to drag it in for you (years and years after we've already paid for it!). Drop some city funds to pull fiber, and start leasing access at fair rates, the same way you did for copper.

      The cities that have already done this have *fantastic* service for minimal cost... Other than making a big telco monopoly hate them for the rest of time.

    3. Re:Monopolies by dukeofurl01 · · Score: 3, Informative

      The cities that have done this have also been sued by big telcos.

    4. Re:Monopolies by SEE · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you make them rent, you still have the same monopoly. What you have to do is let other companies lay lines. For that, you've got to basically blast the local governments out of the way, because it's way too easy for incumbents to bribe them into setting up barriers--see Philadelphia's resistance to cable competition.

    5. Re:Monopolies by Big+Boss · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, but the FCC and Congress can fix that problem. And in my mind they should. The problem is simple enough, monopoly. So allow municipal projects to lay fiber so long as they provide no services to the end user and all retailers get the same rates, no exceptions. In addition, ban any and all governments from restricting competition by granting monopolies for last mile services.

      This provides 2 paths for competition. Over the municipal system (see: UTOPIA Project for a good description of this working in Utah). Or by anyone laying their own fiber.

  4. Didn't they by Sylos · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Try this already? What..with the billions of dollars given to them already...and monopolies given to them..the tax breaks...etc. This is just buying some CEO a new boat.

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  5. broadband by codepunk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Fixing the broadband issue is a last mile problem and just about the only method to address that at the moment
    is through wireless. Now I am sure that the govt will step right up and give the big telecos a bunch of cash and
    tell them to go forth and provide more broadband. Trouble is the big telecos do not provide last mile wireless coverage
    mom and pop shops do. This is not a hard issue to fix if the money is placed in the right places.

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    1. Re:broadband by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In Australia we have exactly the same issues, but with one tenth the population density. In theory infrastructure should be ten times more affordable in the USA.

  6. When? by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 4, Funny

    asked the public to comment on the national broadband plan, which Congress has demanded be done by February.

    Uh, February of which year?

    Not that Congress can get anything right done by February of any year.

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  7. How to comment by MrEricSir · · Score: 2

    And how, exactly, are we supposed to comment on this plan? For that matter, what IS this plan?

    Can someone translate it into English for the rest of us?

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    1. Re:How to comment by CMF+Risk · · Score: 2, Informative

      Commenting seems like a rather complicated (or rather tedious) process.

      All filings related to this Notice of Inquiry should refer to GN Docket No. 09-51

      Electronic Filers: Comments may be filed electronically using the Internet by accessing the
      ECFS: http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/ecfs/ or the Federal eRulemaking Portal:
      http://www.regulations.gov./ Filers should follow the instructions provided on the website for
      submitting comments.

      Â ECFS filers must transmit one electronic copy of the comments for GN Docket No. 09-51. In
      completing the transmittal screen, filers should include their full name, U.S. Postal Service
      mailing address, and the applicable docket number. Parties may also submit an electronic
      comment by Internet e-mail. To get filing instructions, filers should send an e-mail to
      ecfs@fcc.gov, and include the following words in the body of the message, âoeget form.â A
      sample form and directions will be sent in response

      Paper Filers: Parties who choose to file by paper must file an original and four copies of each
      filing. Filings can be sent by hand or messenger delivery, by commercial overnight courier,
      or by first-class or overnight U.S. Postal Service mail (although we continue to experience
      delays in receiving U.S. Postal Service mail). All filings must be addressed to the
      Commissionâ(TM)s Secretary, Marlene H. Dortch, Office of the Secretary, Federal
      Communications Commission, 445 12th Street, S.W., Washington, D.C. 20554. ...

  8. I don' understand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I thought the Invisible Market Fairy was supposed to handle this??!?!

    Isn't this how the internet began? Independant, competing companies all competing to produce a cohesive, compatible online environment? Why is that model not working now?

  9. Re:Is this a purpose of today's FCC? by Renraku · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Lazziez faire doesn't work in reality.

    In a perfect world, companies would want to profit. They would always look ahead to the future to ensure that they only took what the market could bear, for breaking the market would break their company just the same.

    This is not a perfect world. Companies want to profit and destroy the competition and lock in their customers. They want to collude to lock out your cell phone's features that you paid several times over retail for, they want to change your contracts after you sign them and still bind you to them, they want to pack in all kinds of hidden fees and charges sixty-three pages deep into their contract, and most of all, they want to please the shareholders.

    The shareholders ensure that only the biggest assholes will be in upper management. The shareholders want their profit check and they want it now. Who cares if the company isn't in business in 20 years? The shareholders have enough money to buy stock in other companies, and run them into the ground too.

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  10. First by iminplaya · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Demand that all service providers act as common carriers, or "dumb pipes", if you will. To insure access for everybody, the basic infrastructure must be managed by a publicly accountable entity, the government, just like the roads. And these "roads" must accept all kinds of traffic. No tiering, no filtering, none of that. The "last mile" can be leased out to those who will accept these conditions. We need consumer protection with real teeth. They won't do it unless they hear from us. So speak up, and speak LOUD. I am formulating my letter at this very moment. To those of you who want to leave it up to the market, I respectfully remind you of the AM stereo debacle, and American cell phone service.

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  11. Don't forget.. by nurb432 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    To eliminate bandwidth caps.

    Doesn't do much good to have it if you cant use it.

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  12. Just nationalize it and roll out 200 gig here by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2

    No bandwidth caps.

    Drop the storage cost to what Japan charges.

    And stop whining about it.

    This country is so far behind it's sickening.

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  13. Re:Is this a purpose of today's FCC? by jcr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Lazziez faire doesn't work in reality.

    Oh, for christ's sake...

    Companies want to profit and destroy the competition and lock in their customers.

    What do you think these eeevil companies use to attack their competition? Hint: it starts with a "g", and ends with "overnment".

    -jcr

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  14. $7 billion for the phone companies? by jafo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    IMHO, the telcos and cable companies are why we have some of the worst "broadband" access in our homes. They've been dragging their feet, similar to the way the RIAA has been, fighting tooth and nail to not give the customers what they want.

    As much as I'm for better broadband, I'm extremely against giving it to the telcos to implement. We already gave them $2 billion to develop Fiber To The Home by 2000. As of 2009 I know of almost noone who has or even can get this service, it's only in a couple of hot spots where you can get it.

    Worse, the telcos seem to see high speed home networks as competition for their business services, so they dramatically limit the outbound rates. 900kbps is a pretty small pipe to push backups of my home systems across, for example.

    I personally like the ideas of "homes with tails", the home owners owning the fiber from their houses to a pedestal or "meet me" location, and then the providers can get access in there and users can get different options for that connectivity.

    Sean

    1. Re:$7 billion for the phone companies? by ZosX · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If I only had mod points. You just took the words right out of my mouth. Congress should be DEMANDING better/cheaper access after the phone companies have done virtually nothing to hold their end of the deal up. Now they want to implement a tiered internet and ridiculously low caps (40GB??) All the while trying to charge us more?? I think the consumers are getting a pretty raw deal, especially when you see the Japan and Korea are getting hundreds of megabits out of copper. Surely bandwidth costs have come down in the last 10 years domestically. So theoretically they should be making even more off consumers as their costs should be going down. Look at it this way. You pay $50 for cable and $50 for internet. Those 150 channels cost the cable company a LOT more than even 200 gigabytes worth of data transmissions. Problem is that the ISPs all want a piece of a bigger pie than just simply providing 0s and 1s to your door will give them. God help us if net neutrality fails.

  15. Step One by barzok · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Eliminate stupid practices like bandwidth caps & metered usage designed to squeeze out competition from online video services while abusing the government-granted monopoly position.

    I'm looking at TW in Rochester, San Antonio, and 4 other cities. You know who you are.

  16. The real solution by gr8_phk · · Score: 2

    The three main issues the agency is tackling first are, figuring out how to improve availability, quality and affordability.

    We need to bust the local monopolies. They don't like to provide service to remote areas. They don't have any incentive to provide quality. And what people usually think when you mention "monopoly" - they charge high prices.

    Unfortunately when the government wants to do something like improve service or availability their "solution" is usually to throw money at the monopoly and tell them to do it - which generally doesn't happen and we're out the tax dollars. Remember the extra charges from the phone company to support fiber deployment - didn't happen, and I think we're still paying that. So lets sit down and fuck the public some more!

  17. Feb. of what Year? by olddotter · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Really when do they want to do this?

    I think everyone reading slashdot wants this to happen, and knows what would make it happen. The only question here is can government ignore the lobbyists long enough to do the right thing.

  18. 1996 telco reform act by witherstaff · · Score: 2, Informative

    Bring back the '96 telco reform act which helped quite a bit in leveling the playing field with the monopolies of phone companies. It forced the ILECs to allow interconnections with small upstart phone companies. It wasn't perfect - it included things like the Communications Decency Act within it - but it opened the way for many of the thousands of ISPs to be able to offer service.

    Bush and Powell's kid running the FCC did away with essentially all of the changes. Since then all the baby bells are bigger and stronger than Ma bell ever used to be. Many CLECs are gone, the non-monopoly ISPs are almost all gone. The monopolies are stronger than ever.

    Or even simpler, just demand that previous agreements made with the telco companies would be met by the telcos. We'd already have huge patches of fiber to the home if the telcos did that.

  19. Re:Is this a purpose of today's FCC? by jcr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Lazziez faire has been tried before and failed to bring abundance to the people as its supports claim it will,

    Freedom promotes prosperity. Historical examples of this simple fact are too numerous to ignore.

    Free market capitalism would work great if the private sector didn't manipulate the market to eradicate the very thing that makes capitalism work for the people: competition.

    Who acts to limit competition, sparky? Right now, there's a move by interior decorators (seriously) to require state licensing to exclude new competitors from their line of work. When people don't want to compete, they turn to..... That's right, GOVERNMENT to outlaw their competition. So, you want government to have the power to do so? Great plan.

    The conglomerates have enough power as it is,

    This is true, but what you fail to recognize is that the power they have doesn't come from the market, it comes from greasing politicians.

    bribing someone before they start stealing the land from under our houses.

    Hey, tell me about how the government protects us from having our land taken away by evil corporations. Oh, wait. It turns out that government doesn't protect us from land-grabs, it actually does the land-grabbing under orders from those who will pay more in taxes than the rightful owners.

    So, you're afraid of big businesses? Monopolies? Well, government is the ultimate monopoly, and it's not on your side.

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  20. Manufactured Problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I know this is "news for nerds" and us nerds have just GOT to have broadband, but is this really a problem?

    Believe it or not, there are still places in this country that don't have telephone service, or just got it. Do you think their lives were less full or less meaningful because of this absence?

    I really see this as an entitlement problem. Sure, broadband internet access is great for certain things, but almost all of those things are something people can easily survive without. You are not entitled to a cheap, all-pervasive internet backbone just because it's something you want.

    I'm sure it provides some brief little endorphine kick when you log onto twitter or your blog and scream at some ahole because you're right and he's wrong, but isn't that really an activity that can be done without? And it certainly can be done in 5 minutes on a dial-up instead of 5 seconds on DSL.

    I know this is hard for some of us nerds to get through our heads, but high-speed internet access is really just a convenience. And while we may consider it highly necessary for some of the things we do day-to-day, it is not fundamentally necessary for everyone in order to have a fulfilling life.

    So go ahead, I'd love to hear an actual rational argument for why money should be taken by threat of force or incarceration and used to force people who may not even want a given service to at the very least accept a "hook-up" for that service so that the future owners of their home will be able to become subscribers to some internet service.