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FCC Seeks To Improve US Broadband Access

MojoKid writes "The US Federal Communications Commission is working on a plan to solve the problem of nationwide access to high-speed Internet service. The three main issues the agency is tackling first are, figuring out how to improve availability, quality and affordability. Acting FCC Chairman Michael J. Copps held a meeting this week where he asked the public to comment on the national broadband plan, which Congress has demanded be done by February. The public has 60 days to submit comments; the agency and members of the public will be able to reply to comments for an additional 30 days after that."

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  1. The plan is known by the colloquial title: by FlyingSquidStudios · · Score: 2, Funny

    The Porno for Podunk Plan

    1. Re:The plan is known by the colloquial title: by The+Mighty+Buzzard · · Score: 1, Funny

      Think of the children. Some poor, unfortunate teenagers right here in our very own country might actually have to wait a few seconds to see the quality Internet porn the rest of us take for granted every day.

      Now for only pennies a day, you too can bring much needed broadband porn to hillbillies across the nation.

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    2. Re:The plan is known by the colloquial title: by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      you gotta be kidding, in this country, the hillbillies are starring in the porn. with broadband they can all have webcams and post on trash tube sites too. ew.

    3. Re:The plan is known by the colloquial title: by The+Mighty+Buzzard · · Score: 1

      Yeah, guess I should have put and tags around that. Maybe the humorless mods tonight wouldn't have modded me flamebait.

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  2. Simple by chill · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Next time you auction off spectrum that could be used for JUST THIS PURPOSE, stop setting the minimum bids at astronomical numbers. "Public benefit" doesn't necessarily mean "get as much money for the gov't as possible".

    Some good 700 MHz spectrum, at cheap to nothing rates, would spur small businesses to be created to provide access at costs much more in line with what people can pay. You know, if the entry costs weren't more than the GDP of a 3rd World Nation it might spur some innovation.

    Then reduce the bureaucracy and cost of getting a license to use that spectrum.

    Idiots.

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    1. Re:Simple by Renraku · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Auction off something cheap, so some companies could get a start.

      No big company would EVER use their resources to start a smaller puppet company who's sole intention was to buy a piece of the spectrum and sell service for rates as absurd as text messaging rates..just to keep the competition away.

      Never!

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    2. Re:Simple by postbigbang · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Resist wireless. It's a short term ploy that isn't even 'broadband'. Modulation schemes today require lots of nearby APs, and that sucks.

      Instead, the USA has to buckle down and run fiber, like we did twisted pairs decades and decades ago. Wireless sounds good until you realize just what a rotten long term investment. Remember 802.11a, then, b, then g, and now the might-one-day-be-ratified n? Or how about that great WhyMax stuff? Want some LTE anyone? How about some bonded channels for GSM? Really-- trenched fiber is the best long term way to go. If you invested 20 years ago, you're still using it and haven't found an upper end limit to its capacity for speed.

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    3. Re:Simple by causality · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Next time you auction off spectrum that could be used for JUST THIS PURPOSE, stop setting the minimum bids at astronomical numbers. "Public benefit" doesn't necessarily mean "get as much money for the gov't as possible".

      Some good 700 MHz spectrum, at cheap to nothing rates, would spur small businesses to be created to provide access at costs much more in line with what people can pay. You know, if the entry costs weren't more than the GDP of a 3rd World Nation it might spur some innovation.

      Then reduce the bureaucracy and cost of getting a license to use that spectrum.

      Idiots.

      I think a big part of the problem is that right now, most people who have any choice at all have a choice between two monopolies: telco and cable. Your idea would provide that missing "third option". An agile competitor with minimal infrastructure costs, license costs, and other barriers to entry might just provide the innovation and options that are sorely missing from the monopolies.

      I say that with the assumption that what you had in mind was WiMax or something like it. Although it would be yet another monopoly, this also makes me wonder what happened to the internet-over-powerlines idea. The above was my realistic response to you. What follows is what I'd like to see despite how unrealistic it may be.

      What I'd really like to see is a more decentralized Internet. This is more like the mesh networks consisting of many low-power wireless connections that communicate with each other. On a truly decentralized Internet, it would be impossible for any single entity to force filtering, censorship, deep packet inspection, bandwidth caps, and the like on large numbers of people who do not want them. It would also be a truly "public benefit" as in owned and operated by Joe Public instead of owned and operated by large, centralized, political bureaucracies in Joe Public's name. Right now this may not be feasible or likely but it would be pleasing to see a step in that direction. Of course, I would not expect the FCC to encourage this idea at all, for it would reduce the amount of control they now enjoy, but that's why I call this unrealistic.

      Just as an aside, isn't there currently a lot of dark fiber? If there is a large amount of it, does anyone know why it's not currently being used, or have an idea of what could be done with it?

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    4. Re:Simple by Moridin42 · · Score: 1

      If it is an auction, and we assume that the bidders all bid voluntarily, then it doesn't particularly matter what the starting bid is. Unless, of course, no one is willing to pay even the set minimum.

      700Mhz spectrum at cheap to nothing rates will only occur when 700Mhz spectrum is worth little to no dollars. Which.. I'm going to go out on a limb and say it isn't.

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    5. Re:Simple by Urza9814 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem with your ideal solution is it's pretty much impossible to connect to areas of low population or between areas of dense population. A mesh network might work OK throughout downtown New York City (though I have doubts on that even - it seems to me there would be a huge amount of stress on the nodes towards the center), but how are you going to connect NYC to LA? Or even NYC to Boston? Hell, even my house, in a small university town near Pittsburgh, would have nearly no connectivity - my house is only about 10-20 yards away from my neighbors, but even that is too far for a decent WiFi signal...and there are _many_ houses around me that are quite a bit further apart. And even if you managed to network our neighborhood through WiMax or something, you have a three or four mile stretch in to town, mostly forest. And even if you overcame that, somehow, without putting excessive strain on the one or two links between them, then you have to find some way to link our small town to the next one, a good 30+ miles away. I suppose there are one or two highways that might have enough houses along them if you can find a wireless technology that can reach 5-10 miles, but then you're talking one or two stress points for the entire town's connection. How are you going to handle that much traffic over a wireless link? And I don't even want to think about trying to connect places in Wyoming or something. Unless you're talking ultra slow connections through HF radio, wireless just isn't going to cut it. And hell, even that probably wouldn't work out too well.

      Basically, to mesh network any sizable percentage of the nation, you need wireless technologies that can reach tens or hundreds of miles and can support at least tens of thousands of connections routing through a single node. I admit I don't know that much about radio technology, but it doesn't seem very feasible to me.

    6. Re:Simple by commodore64_love · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Fiber is simply too expensive. Have you ever driven across the continent? Well I have. Several times. There's a whole lot of *nothing* out there and digging up literally millions of miles of dirt to run fiber to farmhouses is going to cost a shitload of money.

      I still think DSL is the answer to getting highspeed internet to isolated locations like Wyoming or Idaho or Montana. The copper lines are already present, so all the telephone company needs do is install the DSLAM for any customer that requests an upgrade (as mandated by a new law). Even if the wires are relatively poor condition, they should be able to handle 1000 kbit/s speeds, which is far superior to current dialup maximums of 50. And most importantly: It's a cheap upgrade that minimizes the burden on taxpayers.

      BTW my current speed happens to be 700k, not by limitation but by choice. $15 a month is all I'm willing to spend, and it works great. I just finished watching the latest Supernatural episode at cwtv.com - no problems whatsoever. I don't need a 50,000 kbit/s line just as I don't need an 800 horsepower NASCAR to get to work.

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    7. Re:Simple by postbigbang · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Haven't done the math, have you? Haven't talked to people in Montana, Utah, and other places that are doing fiber today, doing it cheaply, and getting bandwidth to dream of.

      There are some places where the economics won't work. Consider them the last mile +. Get them with point-to-point WiMax or a cellular... or at worst, a sat dish.

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    8. Re:Simple by Rockoon · · Score: 2

      You can run one wire to each town, to just one location in town, and wirelessly connect the whole town..

      ...should be significantly cheaper than running wire to every home.

      A decent wireless broadband service will eventualy come.. likely to be from the cell services, since they already have sites well located and contracted: they just need the proper equipment and the incentive to do it.

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    9. Re:Simple by Adriax · · Score: 1

      1000kbps? HAH! I live in wyoming, and I can tell you, unless you live right in town there's a 75% chance your phone system's switchbox is mechanical.

      We were lucky dialup worked when we were living out of town, at speeds of a blazing 13.2kbps on good days 5 years ago.

      Wireless is the way to go out here, cellphones reach almost everywhere, and my town's broadband is serviced not my cable or fiber, but microwave links that bounce it over the mountains.

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    10. Re:Simple by bitrex · · Score: 1

      1000kbps? HAH! I live in wyoming, and I can tell you, unless you live right in town there's a 75% chance your phone system's switchbox is mechanical.

      Any chance blue boxes still work out there, too?

    11. Re:Simple by Extide · · Score: 1

      Yeah I live in Utah, can't get fiber internet, but the people who can get it (Utopia) can get 15/15mbit for like $25 a month. Packages go up to 100mbit each way for pretty damn cheap considering (~$200-250/month....)

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    12. Re:Simple by greedom · · Score: 2, Interesting

      causality (777677) says: "I think a big part of the problem is that right now, most people who have any choice at all have a choice between two monopolies: telco and cable. Your idea would provide that missing "third option". An agile competitor with minimal infrastructure costs, license costs, and other barriers to entry might just provide the innovation and options that are sorely missing from the monopolies." Yeah America really fumbled the ball on that one, falling far behind due to corruption and greed. Sounds pretty bad for you guys, until you come to where I live, America's hat, Canada. There are even fewer corporations that completely dominate the phone, cell phone, satellite, cable, DSL and broadband industry are given the power to govern themselves and (cell phones in particular) contracts are outrageously expensive and restricting. You'd best make sure you're damn well financially stable before you get a cell in Canada.

    13. Re:Simple by Kaeles · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure the WISP I work for still uses 802.11a,b,g and even 900mhz equipment for people who can't get LOS to our AP's.

      Sure, we only offer a 1mbit speed, but thats pretty sweet compared to the maximum 24.4 dialup they are used to.

      We can cover something around eight thousand square miles (if my math is right, ~25 towers at ~10 miles radius for CPE's to connect well).

      So, yea, if you wanna push it, you can even do bigger links with higher DB antennaes for the CPE's and AP's. We've a few links from AP to CPE that approach 20 miles.

      So if you could do 20 miles thats approximately 20*20*3.14 = ~1200 sq miles PER tower/AP.

    14. Re:Simple by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      What really is needed is a special kind of auction that reflects the monopoly aspect of sole access to spectrum. So the bid should involve two items, how much they are willing to pay for that spectrum and how much they will charge for retail access to that spectrum. The winning bid is the one that provides the the best ration of buy price to rent access price. Otherwise the end user is just paying an enormous undisclosed tax bill to pay for the spectrum that was taken from them, really, WTF?

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    15. Re:Simple by jonaskoelker · · Score: 1

      What I'd really like to see is a more decentralized Internet.

      The results you aim for sound really great, I'm with you on those. How about the implementation? Let's see if I understod you right.

      If your solution removes control from the hand of the monopoly (or oligopoly), then every user more or less has to be multi-homed: they need to have more than one neighbour who routes their outbound traffic.

      I predict a usability challenge: how do you present the choices to the user in a way that makes them able to make an informed decision (if they want to)?

      Also, users will need an IP address. Where will they get it from? Just grab a random one themselves? Pick it from some obscure formula based on their birthdate, current address and local regulations? From their ISP who doesn't exist? At city hall?

      Just some things that spring to mind. Cheers, let's toast to teh intarnets.

    16. Re:Simple by RockWolf · · Score: 3, Funny

      I don't need a 50,000 kbit/s line just as I don't need an 800 horsepower NASCAR to get to work.

      That's unamerican! Hand in your SUV's keys on your way out to the bus stop, you dirty hippie. ~

      /~Rockwolf

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    17. Re:Simple by inviolet · · Score: 1

      Next time you auction off spectrum that could be used for JUST THIS PURPOSE, stop setting the minimum bids at astronomical numbers. "Public benefit" doesn't necessarily mean "get as much money for the gov't as possible".

      You do understand that the big boys will still join the auction, which means the final sale price will still be an astronomical number.

      Or were you thinking of banning the big boys? Even though they are, due to their size, more efficiently able to capitalize a big asset like "this frequency over this whole state"? Or do you suppose "Vern's Tobacco and Wireless Internet Shop" will more efficiently employ the spectrum?

      More generally, in economics and politics, the word "simple" means "wrong". I know you don't believe me yet, but you will. When a solution sounds simple, it's because you've been told (or are telling) only half the story.

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    18. Re:Simple by chill · · Score: 1

      Just like contracts with the Federal Gov't are required to have a certain percentage reserved for small businesses, there should be portions of the spectrum reserved for small businesses. Or, require those big telcos to provide reasonable 100% build-out plans. If areas aren't built out in a certain time frame, they forfeit the use of that PUBLICLY OWNED spectrum that they leased in that area.

      For example, if Verizon/ATT/Sprint buys spectrum to cover all of Texas, they have x-number of years to actually COVER ALL OF TEXAS. Those areas that don't have coverage at the deadline go back up for auction, at no minimum bid, with the original lessee being prohibited from bidding.

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    19. Re:Simple by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      WiMax in point-point mode approximates broadband. It's deployment level is nearly nil, as is LTE. WiMax modulation schemes aren't all that red-hot, and LTE can be considered a proprietary transport. EV-DO, and EV-DOa (I use both) cannot be considered broadband, although 'a' approaches it.

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    20. Re:Simple by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      Fiber is simply too expensive. Have you ever driven across the continent? Well I have. Several times. There's a whole lot of *nothing* out there and digging up literally millions of miles of dirt to run fiber to farmhouses is going to cost a shitload of money.

      100 years ago, someone probably said the same thing about copper.

    21. Re:Simple by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      Yes they did. And that's why, instead of installing copper, they used existing technology known as "cattle fences" to hook-up telegraphs and telephones to distant locations. Those temporary solutions were used well into the 1960s.

      That's what we need to do today. Use existing phonelines to get high-speed to everybody... and then *gradually* upgrade to faster fiber connections between now and 2060.

      Another thought

      - rural folks could choose to live closer to the city. That's what I did when I decided I was tired of wellwater and septic tanks. I moved to a place with sewer lines.

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  3. Monopolies by Chabo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Make it harder for companies to have monopolies or duopolies. This is the system that's in place in most areas of the nation outside big cities.

    Other companies may technically have an opportunity to join in and provide service to the people, but in practice it's just not possible anymore.

    A friend of mine used to work at an ISP in New Hampshire. His company sent letters to all of their customers basically saying "Please support the legislation that will limit Verizon's stranglehold on New Hampshire". The ISPs connection to the outside world (provided by Verizon, surprise-surprise) went down that night. Two days later, they got a Verizon employee on the phone who apparently wasn't "in on it", and he was like "Oh, how did this configuration get changed?" and turned their connection back on.

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    1. Re:Monopolies by JimXugle · · Score: 2, Funny

      But duopolies serve a purpose!

      Someone needs to drop your connection for days at a time with no explanation or refund... and piling all that non-work on one company is just too much.

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    2. Re:Monopolies by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 1

      ^^^ this. Nothing will improve until the monopolies and cable-dsl duopolies are gone.

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    3. Re:Monopolies by einhverfr · · Score: 1

      I completely agree. The only way forward is competition. In practice this means requiring that these companies are required to rent their infrastructure out readily and affordably to other companies. We have seen things going down hill for a while. This needs to change.

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    4. Re:Monopolies by subreality · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Make it harder for companies to have monopolies or duopolies. This is the system that's in place in most areas of the nation outside big cities.

      Seconded, and it's not even hard to do. Here's how:

      Municipalize the last mile. Take it away from the telco monopolies. Sell access freely to anyone at fair rates as a municipal service, just like water service. Let people plug in any service they want on the other end of the wire. That might be AT&T, giving you phone and internet. It might be some local ISP just giving you DSL and IPTV service. Guaranteed, though, competition will explode overnight.

      What, copper's not good enough? Quit waiting for some slow telco to deign to drag it in for you (years and years after we've already paid for it!). Drop some city funds to pull fiber, and start leasing access at fair rates, the same way you did for copper.

      The cities that have already done this have *fantastic* service for minimal cost... Other than making a big telco monopoly hate them for the rest of time.

    5. Re:Monopolies by dukeofurl01 · · Score: 3, Informative

      The cities that have done this have also been sued by big telcos.

    6. Re:Monopolies by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Make it harder for companies to have monopolies or duopolies.

      You are talking about regulation, and that, sir, is no different than Socialism.

      I know this because I heard it on the radio today. And did you also know that it's possible to be a socialist, fascist, marxist, appeaser, quisling, muslim extremist, and liberal all at the same time? It's all over the AM dial. I wasn't sure who they were talking about, but anybody who can be all those things is pretty impressive. He should be president.

      Seriously, I wonder if anyone else has realized that the Internet, that we all love so much, is an example of how successful socialist (small "S") policies can be. Strange how it's also been a boon for free speech. That's not supposed to happen (according to the AM radio).

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    7. Re:Monopolies by Chabo · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I'm a libertarian, and I still think that preventing/punishing monopolistic business practices is within the list of powers governments should have.

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    8. Re:Monopolies by SEE · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you make them rent, you still have the same monopoly. What you have to do is let other companies lay lines. For that, you've got to basically blast the local governments out of the way, because it's way too easy for incumbents to bribe them into setting up barriers--see Philadelphia's resistance to cable competition.

    9. Re:Monopolies by Big+Boss · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, but the FCC and Congress can fix that problem. And in my mind they should. The problem is simple enough, monopoly. So allow municipal projects to lay fiber so long as they provide no services to the end user and all retailers get the same rates, no exceptions. In addition, ban any and all governments from restricting competition by granting monopolies for last mile services.

      This provides 2 paths for competition. Over the municipal system (see: UTOPIA Project for a good description of this working in Utah). Or by anyone laying their own fiber.

    10. Re:Monopolies by Big+Boss · · Score: 1

      I tend libertarian as well. I don't see the internet as being significantly different than roads. The government has shown it can provide good service for large infrastructure projects like this. I also believe they should require that anyone can run fiber, no monopolies. Competition is the only way to improve high speed internet access. Lack of competition leaves us with stagnating technology, even in large cities with population density that rivals other nations that have much better service. It also leaves many people with no choice when the monopoly carrier puts draconian restrictions on the service.

    11. Re:Monopolies by bmullan · · Score: 1

      This is a good idea as it eliminates any one entity owning the last mile which is by far the most expensive piece of the network because of the right-of-ways, labor costs.

      WiMAX or some derivative may solve that though.
      Also, some of the WISP providers that are planning on using the freed up Analog TV frequencies may also come up with some municipal wide wireless coverage.

      Whoever mentioned the Telco's will sue... they may but so far they've lost almost all cases against municipalities. Besides its a slippery slope suing the very same government State/City Agencies that give those Telco's/Cable companies the right to provide service in those areas.

    12. Re:Monopolies by subreality · · Score: 1

      WiMAX or some derivative may solve that though.

      Not really. The problem is that all the WISP's will have constrained common bandwidth. They'll provide an alternative for the way people perceive high speed internet today (Load web pages faster and watch some youtube), and help drive prices down for the "small cap" market, but some of us want to watch streaming high qualiity video (Like Netflix). Companies that have a stake in traditional TV distribution (Like Comcast, AT&T, etc) will love WISP's... It lets them pretend they're not a monopoly, even when they're the ones holding up the deployment of a real FTTH network.

    13. Re:Monopolies by cizoozic · · Score: 1

      Comcast is perfectly capable of the above, in fact, I'd say they excel at it. Unfortunately, I no longer use their service, so I have to deal with more uptime and a faster connection, but hey, sometimes you just have to take one for the team.

    14. Re:Monopolies by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      Or better yet, run conduit to each and every home and just run out the space to any and all comers. Cities are already well versed in how to run conduit to homes. The current sewer lines are more than big enough to easily handle 20 or 30 lines per household. This is FAR more than necessary to ensure real competition.

      This removes the monopolies suing problem as there is no data services being supplied by the cities, and at the same time it brings in revenue.

    15. Re:Monopolies by subreality · · Score: 1

      With municipal fiber, the city isn't running any data services either. They just own a piece of glass that goes into your home. What goes down that fiber is entirely the responsibility of the homeowner and whoever they contract with.

      Fiber is pretty much the end game, at least for the foreseeable future of datacomms, so I don't think the extra expense of the conduit would really be worthwhile.

    16. Re:Monopolies by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Competition is the only way to improve high speed internet access.

      Funny, somehow the Internet was created without "competition".

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    17. Re:Monopolies by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      1) Saying that running fiber is not offering data services is a little like saying, that flashing light across that fiber isn't running data services either. It is pretty well established that running data grade fiber optics is part of a data service. Perticularly since they will need to be testing the data capabilities of that fiber since they own it and are going to be renting it's use for data services.

      2) A single fiber optic line, or even 2 or 3, is going to lead to more monopolies. Unless the municipality sets up and maintains their own routers so that multiple companies can link in, they are only going to be able to lease the line to one company. If they do set up routers to allow multiple companies to connect, then even the thin claim that they are not providing data services goes out the window.

    18. Re:Monopolies by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      s/socialist/anarchist/g

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    19. Re:Monopolies by einhverfr · · Score: 1

      Not really.

      The lines are basically regulated to the point of being a common good and access to them commoditized. You could set the rate to something like 10% of the cost of the least expensive subscription the company offers (land line is $15/month? you must rent then to competitors for $1.50/month!) or some other cost calculation.

      Now, in some places you do see alternative lines being laid. I have a county-run fiber-line to my house. THe county doesn't provide any services to me over the line. They rent them out to ISP's and telco's only!

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  4. Didn't they by Sylos · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Try this already? What..with the billions of dollars given to them already...and monopolies given to them..the tax breaks...etc. This is just buying some CEO a new boat.

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    1. Re:Didn't they by rhizome · · Score: 1

      Try this already? What..with the billions of dollars given to them already...and monopolies given to them..the tax breaks...etc. This is just buying some CEO a new boat.

      Not to mention that the changes they need to make are old news in pretty much every other industrialized country in the world.

      More than a CEO's boat, this is just buying some bureaucrat time to get inside juice on the telcos so that they can lobby for them in two years. Many recommendations will be suggested and all will be ignored once the telcos say, "I don't feel like it" and the FCC says "OK."

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  5. broadband by codepunk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Fixing the broadband issue is a last mile problem and just about the only method to address that at the moment
    is through wireless. Now I am sure that the govt will step right up and give the big telecos a bunch of cash and
    tell them to go forth and provide more broadband. Trouble is the big telecos do not provide last mile wireless coverage
    mom and pop shops do. This is not a hard issue to fix if the money is placed in the right places.

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    1. Re:broadband by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In Australia we have exactly the same issues, but with one tenth the population density. In theory infrastructure should be ten times more affordable in the USA.

  6. When? by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 4, Funny

    asked the public to comment on the national broadband plan, which Congress has demanded be done by February.

    Uh, February of which year?

    Not that Congress can get anything right done by February of any year.

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  7. How to comment by MrEricSir · · Score: 2

    And how, exactly, are we supposed to comment on this plan? For that matter, what IS this plan?

    Can someone translate it into English for the rest of us?

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    1. Re:How to comment by compro01 · · Score: 1

      The Story is that the FCC plans to come up with a plan to improve broadband access and is asking the public for their input.

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    2. Re:How to comment by MrEricSir · · Score: 1

      Wait, so they're PLANNING to come up with a plan?

      If that's all it is, this is a non-story. Government agencies come up with plans all the time. Plans != action.

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    3. Re:How to comment by compro01 · · Score: 1

      The story is that they're asking for input. I would imagine some of the people here might have some ideas on this matter.

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    4. Re:How to comment by CMF+Risk · · Score: 2, Informative

      Commenting seems like a rather complicated (or rather tedious) process.

      All filings related to this Notice of Inquiry should refer to GN Docket No. 09-51

      Electronic Filers: Comments may be filed electronically using the Internet by accessing the
      ECFS: http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/ecfs/ or the Federal eRulemaking Portal:
      http://www.regulations.gov./ Filers should follow the instructions provided on the website for
      submitting comments.

      Â ECFS filers must transmit one electronic copy of the comments for GN Docket No. 09-51. In
      completing the transmittal screen, filers should include their full name, U.S. Postal Service
      mailing address, and the applicable docket number. Parties may also submit an electronic
      comment by Internet e-mail. To get filing instructions, filers should send an e-mail to
      ecfs@fcc.gov, and include the following words in the body of the message, âoeget form.â A
      sample form and directions will be sent in response

      Paper Filers: Parties who choose to file by paper must file an original and four copies of each
      filing. Filings can be sent by hand or messenger delivery, by commercial overnight courier,
      or by first-class or overnight U.S. Postal Service mail (although we continue to experience
      delays in receiving U.S. Postal Service mail). All filings must be addressed to the
      Commissionâ(TM)s Secretary, Marlene H. Dortch, Office of the Secretary, Federal
      Communications Commission, 445 12th Street, S.W., Washington, D.C. 20554. ...

    5. Re:How to comment by MrEricSir · · Score: 1

      Sounds like they're making this difficult on purpose.

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    6. Re:How to comment by CMF+Risk · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't say "on purpose".

      *queue scenes of Futurama's take on bureaucracy*

      And it makes perfect sense ... to them

    7. Re:How to comment by fbwhrdpmtajg · · Score: 1

      It's not really that hard; for example: just fill out the form http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi

      The proceeding is 09-51
      Document type is already COMMENT

      either
        -upload a file and convert to PDF if necessary
        -type a comment directly on the form

      make sure to address specific statutory sections where applicable (when giving comments in regard to specific laws for example) and give your comment some amount of organization at least similar to the notice of inquiry (especially if it is long)

  8. I don' understand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I thought the Invisible Market Fairy was supposed to handle this??!?!

    Isn't this how the internet began? Independant, competing companies all competing to produce a cohesive, compatible online environment? Why is that model not working now?

  9. Re:Is this a purpose of today's FCC? by Renraku · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Lazziez faire doesn't work in reality.

    In a perfect world, companies would want to profit. They would always look ahead to the future to ensure that they only took what the market could bear, for breaking the market would break their company just the same.

    This is not a perfect world. Companies want to profit and destroy the competition and lock in their customers. They want to collude to lock out your cell phone's features that you paid several times over retail for, they want to change your contracts after you sign them and still bind you to them, they want to pack in all kinds of hidden fees and charges sixty-three pages deep into their contract, and most of all, they want to please the shareholders.

    The shareholders ensure that only the biggest assholes will be in upper management. The shareholders want their profit check and they want it now. Who cares if the company isn't in business in 20 years? The shareholders have enough money to buy stock in other companies, and run them into the ground too.

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  10. First by iminplaya · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Demand that all service providers act as common carriers, or "dumb pipes", if you will. To insure access for everybody, the basic infrastructure must be managed by a publicly accountable entity, the government, just like the roads. And these "roads" must accept all kinds of traffic. No tiering, no filtering, none of that. The "last mile" can be leased out to those who will accept these conditions. We need consumer protection with real teeth. They won't do it unless they hear from us. So speak up, and speak LOUD. I am formulating my letter at this very moment. To those of you who want to leave it up to the market, I respectfully remind you of the AM stereo debacle, and American cell phone service.

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    1. Re:First by Rue+C+Koegel · · Score: 1

      why speak out, and ask someone else to do it for you? they wont, this isn't a democracy.

      make change for yourself... start a local non-profit cooperative!

      and read my other comments or hit me up if u need help!

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    2. Re:First by srvivn21 · · Score: 1

      Demand that all service providers act as common carriers, or "dumb pipes", if you will. To insure access for everybody, the basic infrastructure must be managed by a publicly accountable entity, the government, just like the roads. And these "roads" must accept all kinds of traffic. No tiering, no filtering, none of that.

      Where do you live that your roads have no limitations on the kinds of vehicle that can use them? Try to drive a motorized bar stool down the highway, while reflecting on how car analogies just don't work.

  11. Basic DSL... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    I'm happy with my current DSL service. I just wish it was half the cost and the DSL provider stop bugging me to upgrade to a faster and more expensive package. Shouldn't basic DSL pricing be treated the same way as dial-up (i.e., cheap and slow)?

    1. Re:Basic DSL... by toddestan · · Score: 1

      The DSL company assumes that if you got the faster package, you wouldn't really use the service more, so the extra money you give them would be pure profit. That's why they are always after you to upgrade. Of course, the people running P2P 24/7 don't follow this pattern, but they are the exception here.

  12. Don't forget.. by nurb432 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    To eliminate bandwidth caps.

    Doesn't do much good to have it if you cant use it.

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    1. Re:Don't forget.. by zaffir · · Score: 1

      Agreed.

      In fact, get rid of ridiculous bandwidth charges. Charge for speed, not volume.

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    2. Re:Don't forget.. by shentino · · Score: 1

      I disagree with you to some extent.

      What needs to happen is for ISP's to not be tiered. And make it fraud to sell out more bandwidth than you actually can provide just because "nobody uses it all". hello? If you tier your lightweights to more than they need, you don't get to bitch if they actually use what they bought when you were expecting them to be less.

      So, first problem: Stop ISPs from advertising or selling more than they can deliver.

      If I were the ISP czar, and I were making policy...

      ASSERT(!greedy && !lobbyable && !bound_by_special_interests) /* face it, people are corruptable */

      1. Prices would be based upon...
      a. How fat your pipe is (guaranteed throughput, and woe unto you if you oversell btw)
      b. Don't do metering unless you can do a damn good job of bringing charges inline with actual costs.
      i. Since the cost of keeping your equipment up doens't much depend on how heavily it's used
      charging on volume is probably stupid.
      ii. At least have the sense to charge less for local traffic, since it costs you less to carry it.
      2. It is forbidden to discriminate based on anything other than:
      a. IP address (determined by account holder)
      i. Quarantining a malware infected house is a Good Thing (tm), and as long as you just quarantine
      temporarily, you are causing no more harm to the inconveineced customer than you are negating. First
      the customer is alerted to a malware problem, and second your customer is prevented from causing
      damage to other computers. A reasonable policy for an ISP, IMO. Just don't fuck it up or exploit
      it for profit.
      ii. Full Disclosure (tm) though is a must. You must say this in your TOS.
      b. Service level
      i. You don't pay for it, it's OK to not get as big a slice
      ii. Throttling based on congestion is NOT ok, because if you have choke points, you're not maintaining
      your network correctly to begin with, and you are either incompetent or dishonest or both, because
      if a customer hits congestion by using BW they paid for, you didn't keep up your end of the bargain.
      c. Under special circumstances, service ports.
      i. Good examples are SMTP out and IRC in. Both are symptoms of malware
      ii. Make every restriction opt-out at no charge.
      3. Infrastructure should be either competitively provided or government owned.
      a. With competition, service takes care of itself. Simple market dynamics reward and punish automatically
      b. You auction off the right to provide service to your citizens
      i. Contract goes to the highest bidder, funds raised go towards maintenance and improvements.
      ii. If you

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  14. Just nationalize it and roll out 200 gig here by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2

    No bandwidth caps.

    Drop the storage cost to what Japan charges.

    And stop whining about it.

    This country is so far behind it's sickening.

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    1. Re:Just nationalize it and roll out 200 gig here by Meor · · Score: 1

      Far behind in what? A 10Mb pipe? Something 95% of people don't need? The only people than need fatter pipes at low cost are movie and software pirates. I'm glad you don't set government policy. You're the epitome of "Subsidize things I like."

  15. 3G by tepples · · Score: 1

    Trouble is the bi[g] telecos do not provide last mile wireless covera[g]e mom and pop shops do. This is not a hard issue to fix if the money is placed in the ri[g]ht places.

    And the telcos have been spending it on 3G (UMTS, EVDO) technologies. Three G, like what I quoted.

  16. Re:Is this a purpose of today's FCC? by jcr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Lazziez faire doesn't work in reality.

    Oh, for christ's sake...

    Companies want to profit and destroy the competition and lock in their customers.

    What do you think these eeevil companies use to attack their competition? Hint: it starts with a "g", and ends with "overnment".

    -jcr

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  17. $7 billion for the phone companies? by jafo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    IMHO, the telcos and cable companies are why we have some of the worst "broadband" access in our homes. They've been dragging their feet, similar to the way the RIAA has been, fighting tooth and nail to not give the customers what they want.

    As much as I'm for better broadband, I'm extremely against giving it to the telcos to implement. We already gave them $2 billion to develop Fiber To The Home by 2000. As of 2009 I know of almost noone who has or even can get this service, it's only in a couple of hot spots where you can get it.

    Worse, the telcos seem to see high speed home networks as competition for their business services, so they dramatically limit the outbound rates. 900kbps is a pretty small pipe to push backups of my home systems across, for example.

    I personally like the ideas of "homes with tails", the home owners owning the fiber from their houses to a pedestal or "meet me" location, and then the providers can get access in there and users can get different options for that connectivity.

    Sean

    1. Re:$7 billion for the phone companies? by ZosX · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If I only had mod points. You just took the words right out of my mouth. Congress should be DEMANDING better/cheaper access after the phone companies have done virtually nothing to hold their end of the deal up. Now they want to implement a tiered internet and ridiculously low caps (40GB??) All the while trying to charge us more?? I think the consumers are getting a pretty raw deal, especially when you see the Japan and Korea are getting hundreds of megabits out of copper. Surely bandwidth costs have come down in the last 10 years domestically. So theoretically they should be making even more off consumers as their costs should be going down. Look at it this way. You pay $50 for cable and $50 for internet. Those 150 channels cost the cable company a LOT more than even 200 gigabytes worth of data transmissions. Problem is that the ISPs all want a piece of a bigger pie than just simply providing 0s and 1s to your door will give them. God help us if net neutrality fails.

    2. Re:$7 billion for the phone companies? by ptbarnett · · Score: 1

      As of 2009 I know of almost noone who has or even can get this service, it's only in a couple of hot spots where you can get it.

      It depends on where you live, and what ILEC serves your area.

      I live in an area served by Verizon, and have had fiber to my home for a couple of years. It's not a "hot spot": Verizon has been aggressively laying fiber and deploying throughout many of their service areas.

      I currently have 20 megabit/sec down and 5 megabit/sec up, and could upgrade to 20/20 for another $10/month. 50/20 would be another $75/month on top of that.

      AT&T doesn't deploy fiber to the home, at least not generally. They deploy fiber to the neighborhood, and use twisted pair for the last block.

    3. Re:$7 billion for the phone companies? by noc007 · · Score: 1

      I have to agree with you. Though I don't recall it being $2billion, more like $200billion. WTF I want to know is why they need more money when we gave them a metric butt load of money with legislation passed 13 years ago with the 1996 Telecommunications Act? Probably lining their pockets.

      It's funny that I made a very similar comment almost to the day a year ago: http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=514000&cid=22991122

  18. Step One by barzok · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Eliminate stupid practices like bandwidth caps & metered usage designed to squeeze out competition from online video services while abusing the government-granted monopoly position.

    I'm looking at TW in Rochester, San Antonio, and 4 other cities. You know who you are.

  19. The real solution by gr8_phk · · Score: 2

    The three main issues the agency is tackling first are, figuring out how to improve availability, quality and affordability.

    We need to bust the local monopolies. They don't like to provide service to remote areas. They don't have any incentive to provide quality. And what people usually think when you mention "monopoly" - they charge high prices.

    Unfortunately when the government wants to do something like improve service or availability their "solution" is usually to throw money at the monopoly and tell them to do it - which generally doesn't happen and we're out the tax dollars. Remember the extra charges from the phone company to support fiber deployment - didn't happen, and I think we're still paying that. So lets sit down and fuck the public some more!

  20. Affordability? by SupremoMan · · Score: 1

    Yeah right I would like to see them make broadband less expensive. And for their next trick, they can pull a white rabbit out of their ass. We live in an age where likes of Comcast can bundle their service for $100 a month, and make it sound like it's a deal. $100 fuckin' dollars, that's a lot of money.

  21. Feb. of what Year? by olddotter · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Really when do they want to do this?

    I think everyone reading slashdot wants this to happen, and knows what would make it happen. The only question here is can government ignore the lobbyists long enough to do the right thing.

  22. Just outlaw the use of copper.. by davygrvy · · Score: 1

    We all want FTTH (fiber to the home). Just do it already.

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    1. Re:Just outlaw the use of copper.. by MichaelJE2 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, can't copper cause heavy metal poisoning? Think of the children!

    2. Re:Just outlaw the use of copper.. by davygrvy · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's a good angle. We could even go further and mention the amount of money the telcos could recoup from recycling the copper lines they remove from the poles. Most predictions say around 33 years until there is no minable copper left! Silica is the raw material for fiber cables, and we got plenty of sand in the world.

      So therefore, replacing those big fat overhead multi pair copper lines with a small optical fiber is good for the environment.

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  23. Re:Copy Aus :) by Lulfas · · Score: 1

    Of course, no one will be able to afford to use the full 100mbit before they break their cap of 5GB. But they'll have it!

  24. Read the FCC Broadband Plan Request for Comments by bmullan · · Score: 1

    You can read the Word or PDF version of the FCC's National Broadband Plan - request for public comment here: http://www.fcc.gov/ I think many of you should take the time. I read 1/3 of it today. Some of their questions they are requesting comments on are pretty politically charged depending on which side of this fence you are on. The section on how best to promote video support on the internet --- The Cable Companies like Comcast, Time Warner etc are doing everything they can to squash that by putting CAPs on monthly bandwidth usage... which pretty much guarantees to stifle Cable's captured market for Movies/TV. Then there are what seem to be simple questions but if you think about them... they are not. How much bandwidth is required to have "adequate" Broadband --- most of us would say unlimited but then that's probably not practical to implement so what is a good answer. The FCC's document is well written. It requests input by ANYONE, just submit in Word or PDF format. They are asking for examples of what works in other countries and what doesn't. They are asking for answers to questions about WiMAX, Cable, DSL etc. Take some time and comment... or only the large corporations will and you'll get what get.

  25. Re:TWC by bmullan · · Score: 1

    Maybe they can start by stopping Time Warner Cable from slashing the access of about 10 million Americans. That would be a great start.

    FCC doesn't regulate Time Warner's High Speed Internet. Each State does it individually. So talk to your State's regulatory commission

  26. Mr Density, where are you? by symbolset · · Score: 1

    Oh, come on! The guy that's always claiming this is a population density problem hasn't replied yet. I always like making fun of him. Where are you, Mr. Density guy?

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  27. 1996 telco reform act by witherstaff · · Score: 2, Informative

    Bring back the '96 telco reform act which helped quite a bit in leveling the playing field with the monopolies of phone companies. It forced the ILECs to allow interconnections with small upstart phone companies. It wasn't perfect - it included things like the Communications Decency Act within it - but it opened the way for many of the thousands of ISPs to be able to offer service.

    Bush and Powell's kid running the FCC did away with essentially all of the changes. Since then all the baby bells are bigger and stronger than Ma bell ever used to be. Many CLECs are gone, the non-monopoly ISPs are almost all gone. The monopolies are stronger than ever.

    Or even simpler, just demand that previous agreements made with the telco companies would be met by the telcos. We'd already have huge patches of fiber to the home if the telcos did that.

    1. Re:1996 telco reform act by internerdj · · Score: 1

      There are baby bells left? AT&T sucked back up my local baby bell and my cell-phone provider to boot.

  28. Decouple by blurryrunner · · Score: 1

    What needs to happen is the one that provides the connection to the house should not provide the service. The government then regulates the infrastructure provider/maintainers. The service providers then sit on that infrastructure.

    For example, here in Utah we have UTOPIA (Utah Telecommunication Open Infrastructure Agency, http://www.utopianet.org/). UTOPIA themselves provide the fiber to the premise. Then you sign up with the providers on the network. There are a handful of different ISPs that provide service over it (including Qwest!). You can choose based on whatever meets your fancy. ISP too oversubscribed? Choose another one.

    The fiber delivers internet, phone, and tv. Here at my office we have a symmetric 30Mbs connection for about $110. Makes me hate to go home to my Comcast connection...

    The problem is the only motivation for the infrastructure provider is to keep the ISPs and governments to off their backs. The government should own the infrastructure and then private companies should compete for the maintenance contracts. Hopefully somebody in the city knows something about an SLA... /br

  29. Re:Is this a purpose of today's FCC? by californication · · Score: 1

    Lazziez faire has been tried before and failed to bring abundance to the people as its supports claim it will, just like trickle down economics. Free market capitalism would work great if the private sector didn't manipulate the market to eradicate the very thing that makes capitalism work for the people: competition. Also, do you really want to take a step closer to anarcho-capitalism? The conglomerates have enough power as it is, at least with the government they have to actually go through the effort of bribing someone before they start stealing the land from under our houses.

  30. Re:Is this a purpose of today's FCC? by jcr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Lazziez faire has been tried before and failed to bring abundance to the people as its supports claim it will,

    Freedom promotes prosperity. Historical examples of this simple fact are too numerous to ignore.

    Free market capitalism would work great if the private sector didn't manipulate the market to eradicate the very thing that makes capitalism work for the people: competition.

    Who acts to limit competition, sparky? Right now, there's a move by interior decorators (seriously) to require state licensing to exclude new competitors from their line of work. When people don't want to compete, they turn to..... That's right, GOVERNMENT to outlaw their competition. So, you want government to have the power to do so? Great plan.

    The conglomerates have enough power as it is,

    This is true, but what you fail to recognize is that the power they have doesn't come from the market, it comes from greasing politicians.

    bribing someone before they start stealing the land from under our houses.

    Hey, tell me about how the government protects us from having our land taken away by evil corporations. Oh, wait. It turns out that government doesn't protect us from land-grabs, it actually does the land-grabbing under orders from those who will pay more in taxes than the rightful owners.

    So, you're afraid of big businesses? Monopolies? Well, government is the ultimate monopoly, and it's not on your side.

    -jcr

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  31. Re:Is this a purpose of today's FCC? by man_with_big_ballz · · Score: 1

    not to be trite, but well said jcr. possibly the only meaningful posts in this entire thread. none of these pipe dreams will come to fruition unless more people realize big government

  32. NEEDS CONDITIONS..... by IHC+Navistar · · Score: 1

    If they have ANY common sense, and are aware of the problems going on now, they will include stipulations that:

    1. Service providers CANNOT oversell their bandwidth on the new networks,
    2. Service providers CANNOT throttle customers on the new networks,
    3. Agree and understand that the public owns the infrastructure, and NOT THEM,
    4. That they can be fined for poor customer service,
    5. Service providers CANNOT change contracts or force customers to sign new contracts when they change them that customers have already agreed to,
    6. Cannot impose cap limits.
    7. Rent the infrastructure from the public at a reasonable, publicly agreed rate,
    8. Are not allowed to hold a "municipal monopoly",
    9. Infrastructure cannot be purchased from the public, and can only be maintained and rented from the public.
    10. Service providers cannot restrict content, inject advertising, prohibit ad-blocking, or record activity.

    Although the chances of these being proposed, let alone accepted, are next to nil, there is bound to be SOME service provider that will notice the opportunity to offer services that no other major ISP will agree to, thereby nailing the market because large ISPs will not want the conditions. It's the same principle as satellite radio: People do not like commercials instead of music, and will pay a reasonable monthly fee to avoid having to listen to them. The terms are very hostile to large ISPs, and will allow smaller providers that are not as financially unstable and profit-centered as the large providers. Smaller companies tend to be more focused on service and reputation, while larger companies are focused on profit.

    Seeing as how the Obama (Mis)administration has demonstrated its lack of concern for consumers, I highly doubt that it will require anything even *remotely* close to such conditions.

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  33. public subsidy by zogger · · Score: 1

    Most of your modern reality that makes its way to your ideal urban pad with your high speed connection is heavily subsidized in order to happen. Your water is brought in with public maintained pipelines, and the cost of the water itself is laughably low, because it is government seized and provided to you. Your electricity comes from rural areas where the transmission lines and towers are just plunked onto private land where they receive no transit fees, it is just seized from them, and you get to enjoy much cheaper electricity from that government "subsidy" of outright theft. Your food is brought to you over publicly built and maintained roads, imagine what that would cost if all the roads were privately maintained toll roads, where a new fee had to be paid to each owner as it crossed property lines, etc. Your natural gas for heating and hot water, again, it comes from rural areas and is brought to you at an extremely low cost compared to if the pipelines had to negotiate transit frees from every property owner between you and the gas well head. And so on, there's a rather decent list there.

    So when are you going to pay a reasonable fair market rate for all that stuff, avoiding the public subsidy you currently enjoy, or when are you moving to where all of that comes from? Why should the rural areas provide you with those necessities for cheaper than fair market rates or outright free when it comes to water?

  34. Manufactured Problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I know this is "news for nerds" and us nerds have just GOT to have broadband, but is this really a problem?

    Believe it or not, there are still places in this country that don't have telephone service, or just got it. Do you think their lives were less full or less meaningful because of this absence?

    I really see this as an entitlement problem. Sure, broadband internet access is great for certain things, but almost all of those things are something people can easily survive without. You are not entitled to a cheap, all-pervasive internet backbone just because it's something you want.

    I'm sure it provides some brief little endorphine kick when you log onto twitter or your blog and scream at some ahole because you're right and he's wrong, but isn't that really an activity that can be done without? And it certainly can be done in 5 minutes on a dial-up instead of 5 seconds on DSL.

    I know this is hard for some of us nerds to get through our heads, but high-speed internet access is really just a convenience. And while we may consider it highly necessary for some of the things we do day-to-day, it is not fundamentally necessary for everyone in order to have a fulfilling life.

    So go ahead, I'd love to hear an actual rational argument for why money should be taken by threat of force or incarceration and used to force people who may not even want a given service to at the very least accept a "hook-up" for that service so that the future owners of their home will be able to become subscribers to some internet service.

    1. Re:Manufactured Problem? by Dusty00 · · Score: 1

      I and many others would disagree with you. Estonia and Greece have legally declared internet access a basic human right and the UN is pushing to do the same.

      The internet has dramatically increased the efficiency of our society. No long does a person have to reserve a specific hour out of their day if they want to get the news. One does not have to go down to town hall to get the forms to renew their driver's license. The term, 'surf the internet' used to mean aimless browsing to entertain one's self, and while it still makes up much of internet activity it's not the sole function of the internet. Much like in the early days of electricity, the internet isn't a survival necessity, but it is certainly a necessity to the continued progress of our society.

    2. Re:Manufactured Problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Your premise rests on the flimsy argument that broadband is the only acceptable form of internet access.

      I'll agree, once you've had access to even 384Kb/s it's pretty tough to go back to dial-up but I am still unconvinced broadband is a right.

      Also, the definition of something as a basic human right implies a restriction on a government.

      Aritcle 3: Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

      It would be silly to suggest that this means the government must provide any of these things, it can only make laws preventing or punishing their removal.

      The same is true for internet access. Defining it as a "human right" is a way of saying the government shouldn't be able to take it away without "due process", not a way of saying it should be provided for all and subsidized with tax money.

  35. Resist wireless -- NOT! by bobs666 · · Score: 1

    You are looking at the sad FCC limitations on WiFi. The low power restrictions make it useless for Broadband Access. In that regard You are correct. I will add that he current Broadband providers want to push this misconception! Are you one of them?

    The truth of the matter is that Apple Computer Co.(remember them?) know better and have tried to get spectrum allocated for Broadband Access a few times. But Broadband providers seem to lobby the FCC and we lose.

    Also Broadband is not TV. If you want TV get a cable. I want Email, web content, and to play MMOs. Oh and I bet your cable does not actually give you a 10Mb data path. proper WiFi, not the FCC trash we currently have will give us a around 10Mb per user. So Apple's claimed in its design for a metropolitan area.

    So WiFi should be better then cable or Fiber. Since the providers will offen not provide that much through put.

  36. It's been done. by Gazzonyx · · Score: 1

    Ref: Kutztown Pennsylvania.

    I'm sending this over 10 mbit fiber from the town that costs less than your 4 mbit cable.

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  37. They are open to suggestions by mhollis · · Score: 1

    There is nobody better-versed in Internet speeds and access than slashdot readers. And the FCC is open to comments for the next sixty days. In my article, I am urging people to comment to the FCC during this period and I am hoping they have lots of really good suggestions from people who are well-informed rather than ill-informed.

    I do note that the FCC has an "acting" director, which means Republicans in the Senate have held up confirmation of yet another Obama appointee for political (read not-useful) reasons.

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  38. Anyone notice?? by S7urm · · Score: 1

    How in America, we seem to have lost the concept of continously upgrading our own infrastructure? When was the last time anyone can remember a significant (>50 miles) of road being constructed where there was no road before? It seems like we've lost all motivation to make America any better in a sense of infrastructure and I think even this will end up being just talk because A.) The cost alone to offer broadband to the "boonies" will be enormous and B.) the people in "rural" areas, when surveyed, didn't much care about getting broadband internet access, since they all seemed to have the mentality that since they don't have it now, they can't miss it.

    Also, do a side by side comparison of our Cellular networking compared to countries like China or Japan. Hell even countries like Ukraine, Italy, Spain, Brazil, etc have better/faster/more efficient Cellular networks then we do in America.

    Part of the multi-hundred billion dollar bailout, should have been geared towards updating our infrastructure and had it writtin in a way that would force the construction to begin, before a $ of the bailout reached anyone's hands.

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    "This is the value of a summer spent and a winter earned"
  39. Re:Is this a purpose of today's FCC? by jeremycobert · · Score: 1

    exactly ! my cable company has a local monopoly on broadband... because of the local government. service always goes down as government involvement goes up.

  40. Re:Is this a purpose of today's FCC? by Pandrake · · Score: 1

    Lazziez faire doesn't work in reality.

    Oh, for christ's sake...

    Companies want to profit and destroy the competition and lock in their customers.

    What do you think these eeevil companies use to attack their competition? Hint: it starts with a "g", and ends with "overnment".

    -jcr

    Are you saying that a truly free market can only exists when it is an unregulated market?

  41. Re:Is this a purpose of today's FCC? by californication · · Score: 1

    I'm sorry jcr, but I just can't see things from your one-sided point of view. The government isn't perfect, but neither are corporations. SOMEONE is going to regulate the market in the name of their own interests.

    You also imply that using the government is the ONLY way a company can obtain a monopoly, which is false. With limited resources and/or a limited supply, it's easy for a company to create a monopoly by simply buying up all the resources and supplies to corner the market. You may argue that any competitor is free to enter the market and compete, but a large enough company is able to use its size and clout to undercut such competitors, by lowering prices to even unprofitable levels just to kill of the competitors or by manipulating suppliers by threatening to cut them off, and put them out of business fairly quickly. This is even without mentioning oligopolies which only require competitors to drop their swords and start screwing the customer in unison.

    What we need is a healthy amount of regulation on the sectors that need it and a healthy amount of deregulation for that sectors that need the extra freedom. Either extreme, whether it be Lazziez faire or socialism, would be bad for the people. A combination of both free market and regulated market is what is needed, and what we have now. Considering that the U.S. is one of the top 10 free markets in the world, we're already leaning towards the former, so a little more regulation isn't going to hurt us.

    I've never said that the government ALWAYS does the right thing and protects us from corporations stealing our land from under our noses. What I said is that if a corporation wanted to take your land, they'll find a way with or without the government's help. BTW, those laws saying that a corporation can't just come and steal your land? They'd be worthless without a government to enforce them. You say the government is corrupt, so let's just get rid of the government and see who enforces those laws, yay anarcho-capitalism!

    I've admitted that the government isn't perfect and there are politicians out there who are corrupt to the bone, but you can't seem to admit that letting equally self-interested corporations do what they please is just as bad.

  42. Re:Is this a purpose of today's FCC? by jcr · · Score: 1

    Your naivete is tragic.

    -jcr

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    The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
  43. Re:Is this a purpose of today's FCC? by jcr · · Score: 1

    As soon as one company reaches a critical mass, it can buy out all the competition and any future competition. Thus you inevitably end up with monopolies.

    Interesting hypothesis. Got any historical examples of this happening? I know it's the standard canard that's trotted out to justify government interference in business mergers.

    BTW, your claim that a company can buy out any future competition is absurd.

    Read up on some economics in wikipedia

    I suggest you read Adam Smith, F. A. Hayek, and Ludwig Von Mises.

    -jcr

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    The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
  44. Re:Is this a purpose of today's FCC? by californication · · Score: 1

    For the best examples of what AC is talking about, you only have to research U.S. History of the late 1800s to the early 1900s, when monopolies were aggressively taking over several sectors of the U.S. economy. Take Standard Oil for example, at one point they controlled the entire oil refining industry, giving them a monopoly over the supply of refined oil in the U.S. They created this monopoly themselves, WITHOUT government help, by using anti-competitive tactics like bullying distributors into providing them lower prices and artificially keeping their prices so low that any competitors went bankrupt or had no choice but to be bought out by Standard Oil (this is what AC is talking about, and it is not absurd, it actually happens). In fact, it was the government that had to break up the monopoly in order to restore competition in the market. You have studied U.S. History, haven't you?

  45. Re:Is this a purpose of today's FCC? by californication · · Score: 1

    I love it when people retort with childish insults, it shows that they are out of sources or evidence to support their side of the debate with.

  46. Re:Is this a purpose of today's FCC? by jcr · · Score: 1

    Take Standard Oil for example, at one point they controlled the entire oil refining industry, giving them a monopoly over the supply of refined oil in the U.S.

    Nope. They got a very high market share, but never gained a monopoly. In fact, their market share was declining by the time the government broke them up in 1911. Increasing demand for gasoline made the oil business attractive to other investors. Rockefeller's peak was during the time when the most important petroleum products were kerosene and heating oil.

    Rockefeller gained this massive market share by very aggressively dropping his prices. The upshot is that he served his customers better than the competition, and his business grew. Rockefeller's crime was not the success of Standard Oil, it was his role in creating the Federal Reserve.

    You have studied U.S. History, haven't you?

      I've clearly done so in rather more depth than you have.

    -jcr

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    The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
  47. Re:Is this a purpose of today's FCC? by jcr · · Score: 1

    shows that they are out of sources or evidence

    It can also mean that I've given up on trying to enlighten you. The evidence is all around you. We're in the midst of yet another government-induced bust that may very well turn into the greatest depression to date, and you still argue that government is the solution.

    -jcr

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    The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
  48. Re:Is this a purpose of today's FCC? by californication · · Score: 1

    They had 91% of the market share in the U.S. In several local markets they did have a monopoly. You don't have to have 100% market share to be considered a monopoly, you simply have to have "sufficient control over a particular product or service to determine significantly the terms on which other individuals shall have access to it." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly

    "The Standard Oil Company of New Jersey and its nineteen subsidiary corporations were declared today by the Supreme Court of the United States to be a conspiracy and combination in restraint of trade.
    It was otherwise held to be monopolizing interstate commerce in violation of the Sherman anti-trust law. The dissolution of the combination was ordered to take place within six months."
    http://encarta.msn.com/sidebar_761594048/supreme_couhttp://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/09/2243214&from=rss#rt_rules_standard_oil_company_is_illegal_trust.html

    That sure sounds like a monopoly to me! Maybe you should revisit your history lessons.

  49. Re:Is this a purpose of today's FCC? by californication · · Score: 1

    Evidently you haven't given up on enlightening me, although you still don't have any sources.

    Also, I believe the government did have a hand in the recession we are in now. It's very clear that interest rates were dropped to extremely low rates and money printed like mad so that the velocity of money could be used to pay for the war in Iraq without having to raise taxes. This is a flaw in the government and it needs to be fixed, but it doesn't mean that everything the government does economically is bad.

    I've never denied the government's culpability, but I believe that the private sector's irresponsibility is also to blame. I don't understand how, when AIG is handing out credit-default swaps on mortgages which are clearly going into default, that this is the government's responsibility? Shouldn't AIG, and many of these other financial institutions been doing a better job at managing their risk? No one held a gun to AIG's head when it was handing out the swaps.

  50. Re:Is this a purpose of today's FCC? by jcr · · Score: 1

    . I don't understand how, when AIG is handing out credit-default swaps on mortgages which are clearly going into default, that this is the government's responsibility?

    AIG's overextension is a symptom, not a cause. The cause is the inflation of fiat money, which will always create a bubble wherever it enters the market. The real estate bubble is only the latest one.

    -jcr

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    The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
  51. Re:Is this a purpose of today's FCC? by californication · · Score: 1

    AIG's poor risk management is completely their responsibility. It was that poor risk management which rendered them virtually insolvent. Bubble or no bubble, if they had responsibly managed their risk they wouldn't have approached the brink of collapse, ready to take their investors and a potential huge chunk of the economy with them. There's a reason some financial institutions have done OK and some have not. Those who did OK did not overextend themselves. Businesses like AIG had a choice, just like any other business, and they chose to completely ignore the risk they were taking and simply gorge on the available money. Like an over eater at a buffet, they showed absolutely no restraint, but hey... it's not their fault, it's the restaurants fault for providing so much food. Far be it from private business that in the face of huge profits, and potentially huge risks, they show a little caution and self control. They can always blame the government for their own stupidity.

  52. Re:Is this a purpose of today's FCC? by jcr · · Score: 1

    AIG's poor risk management is completely their responsibility

    Sure it is, and that doesn't change the fact that it was the Fed that made the scale of their mismanagement possible. The availability of an unlimited supply of credit removes the normal mechanism of signaling scarcity of capital. They were behaving like addicts, and the Fed was the pusher.

    -jcr

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    The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
  53. Re:Is this a purpose of today's FCC? by californication · · Score: 1

    So when a drug dealer offers me some drugs, and I decide to take it and begin my path down addiction, I can blame the drug dealer and take no responsibility for my actions?

    Or how about this, I get offered a gigantic home loan without assessing the risk. When my house gets foreclosed upon because I am unable to make the payments I can just blame the mortgage broker, right? They offered me the credit! They enabled me! It's not my fault!

    If the private sector is indeed a bunch of helpless addicts who, given a large enough supply of cash, will gorge themselves in the name of greater profits, then they must have no self control and need to be regulated for their own sake and the sake of the economy.