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Dell Adamo Review — Macho Outside, Sissy Inside

Odelia Lee writes with a full review of Dell's new Adamo slimtop over at Gizmodo. While it may have an sleek exterior there are definite gaps (both literal and figurative) in their engineering. "The Adamo is both a compliment and an insult to Dell engineering. It's possibly the most beautiful computer Dell has ever manufactured, but I'm not sure that Dell has caught up to competitors in either aesthetics or power. There have been lots of qualitative Adamo reviews out there, but we got the first of the units that will actually ship to customers, so it's time for real benchmarks. As it happens, performance is really what's at stake here."

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  1. Hey Mike... by seanadams.com · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why don't you just wind it down and give the money back to your shareholders? Or stick to servers.

    1. Re:Hey Mike... by f1vlad · · Score: 0

      NASDAQ%3ADELL have been doing quite well lately.

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    2. Re:Hey Mike... by QuantumRiff · · Score: 5, Informative

      The parent was referring to when Mr. Dell said that that's what he would do if he was in charge of Apple a few years ago. Since then, they have skyrocketed...

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  2. Gaming laptop? by Scragglykat · · Score: 1

    Will the Dell Adamo be able to play Eveo Online at least?

  3. Article summary nails it by MBCook · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think the article summary nails it.

    The Adamo is a bit of a strange beast. It's not as feathery as the Lenovo X301 or the MacBook Air, and even with that extra pound of heft, it's (overall) not as powerful as the MacBook Airâ"a computer that's incidentally cheaper than the Adamo in its base configuration.

    Bigger, heavier, louder (which, to me, is half the point of something like the air), integrated battery (just like the air), bad performance, higher price... what's the point?

    It's nice looking, but it sounds like an Air is a much better all around computer. The only thing in it's favor is the higher max RAM (Apple will probably change that) and the integrated 3G option (I'd expect Apple to change that too). Gizmodo is also right that nVidia's next chipset for netbooks will outperform this, at 1/5th the price. It has eSata too though, which is a plus.

    Nice try Dell. It is certainly very nice visually. But you need some substance to go with that, or at least a cheaper price point.

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    1. Re:Article summary nails it by nsayer · · Score: 2, Informative

      The only thing in it's favor is the higher max RAM (Apple will probably change that) and the integrated 3G option (I'd expect Apple to change that too).

      Why?

      I can almost see a case being made for 3 GB of RAM instead of 2 (for folks to run a VM with Windows, perhaps), but if you want higher performing graphics, you're going to see either an increase in weight or a decrease in battery life, neither of which is acceptable in that form factor product.

      I suspect that Dell didn't get the memo, which is why theirs is heavier and louder.

    2. Re:Article summary nails it by escay · · Score: 1

      Macho outside, really? i think Adamo is pretty much sissy all over.

    3. Re:Article summary nails it by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Bigger, heavier, louder (which, to me, is half the point of something like the air), integrated battery (just like the air), bad performance, higher price... what's the point?

      And despite this, the anti-Mac fanatics will continue to claim that a Mac is always more expensive than a PC with comparable specs.

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    4. Re:Article summary nails it by salimma · · Score: 1

      There's no point limiting memory to 3GB. You either have two accessible slots for 2x2GB, or one accessible slot for 2GB.

      Sure, you could solder in another 1GB, but in that case, why not ship with 2GB out of the box and leave room for another 2GB in a user-accessible slot? The price difference between 1GB and 2GB is minimal, and you don't get the embarrassment of watching Vista crawl on the base configuration.

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    5. Re:Article summary nails it by uniquename72 · · Score: 0

      Hmmm...haven't seen that yet. But it sure didn't take long for a Mac fanboi to cry about how unfairly some fictional 'anti-Mac fanatics' will respond.

      / apathetic win/mac/linux user

    6. Re:Article summary nails it by nsayer · · Score: 1

      I think part of the point of the Air is that making memory user installable costs weight and size. They went to extremes to minimize both (further extremes that Dell, apparently), and in the process fixed the RAM configuration.

    7. Re:Article summary nails it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's nice looking, but it sounds like an Air is a much better all around computer. The only thing in it's favor is the higher max RAM (Apple will probably change that) and the integrated 3G option (I'd expect Apple to change that too). Gizmodo is also right that nVidia's next chipset for netbooks will outperform this, at 1/5th the price. It has eSata too though, which is a plus.

      So aside from the built in evdo card, eSata, dongleless video out, extra ram and the ability to copy files directly from one usb stick to another without needed a USB hub, AC brick and extra cables, it's like an air? Or to be fair, an overpriced netbook with virtualization extensions in the cpu, (like the air).

      I like my $260 Acer Aspire one for for web stuff and my VM servering Thinkpad x61t for $~1k (now, price was comparable to the air at one point, but unlike Apple, PC prices tend to fall in time). Oh and to the people who think Mac resale value is good... That's like being forced to buy a 0% interest CD.

    8. Re:Article summary nails it by Savage-Rabbit · · Score: 1

      I can almost see a case being made for 3 GB of RAM instead of 2 (for folks to run a VM with Windows, perhaps), but if you want higher performing graphics, you're going to see either an increase in weight or a decrease in battery life, neither of which is acceptable in that form factor product.

      I suspect that Dell didn't get the memo, which is why theirs is heavier and louder.

      Dell has a tradition of making the IT equivalent of industrial machinery. Any company with that sort of tradition will find that making elegant lightweight designs is a tougher proposition than it seems to be at first glance... Lamborghini notwithstanding.

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    9. Re:Article summary nails it by arth1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Bigger, heavier, louder (which, to me, is half the point of something like the air), integrated battery (just like the air), bad performance, higher price... what's the point?

      It's not a notebook for you and me, who want the best bang for the buck. It's aimed at mid-to-upper level managers and sales staff, who need something that feels sturdy and looks classy, yet is capable of non-intensive tasks like displaying powerpoint presentations, send an e-mail saying you'll be late for tee-off, and watch pr0n^Wlight entertainment from the hotel room.

      How it performs is irrelevant -- the intended user group wouldn't be able to take advantage of the performance anyhow.

      I predict it's going to sell well to its target group -- especially in the numerous companies where Dell is one of a few approved manufacturers to choose from, and an Apple wouldn't be paid for by the company even if it danced the jitterbug and wiped your arse.

    10. Re:Article summary nails it by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Anyone thinking about an Adamo should buy a refurbished HP EliteBook instead. I'm pretty anti-HP but I got this 8730w as a replacement for my total lemon nw9440 and so far it has been pretty damned sweet. At this point I am running Intepid with Compiz and Emerald, using avant-window-navigator-trunk, and google gadgets. I have XP (This machine came with XP Pro and Vista Business licenses) installed in a VirtualBox VM and it works pretty good (though in general not as good as vmware - but the last time I installed vmware it crapped itself. haven't tried on this install.) The only thing I haven't tried is the linuxant modem driver for the shitty internal modem. You can get these kitted all different ways but this one was listed as $1250 with T9400, 2GB/250GB 7200RPM, Quadro 2700M 512MB, 17" 1680x1050. It almost makes amends for the hours I spent on the phone with HP support :/

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    11. Re:Article summary nails it by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2, Funny

      Bigger, heavier, louder (which, to me, is half the point of something like the air), integrated battery (just like the air), bad performance, higher price... what's the point?

      But, but, but... this can't be true! Lord Ballmer informed us that Apple computers are $500 more than the equivalent competition! So a computer from a budget manufacturer like Dell should be faster, lighter, and quieter than the MacBook Air for less money!

      This story must be a LIE!!

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    12. Re:Article summary nails it by fermion · · Score: 0, Troll
      Hardware design is very hard. Apple has 30 years experience at designing very nice hardware that works, essentially from scratch. Dell has a little more than 20 years experience putting commodity components together to make a PC to be sold at low price points. Even MS, with all it's resources, has trouble actually making hardware that people are actually willing to pay for. The only one in Apples class right now is HP. Alas, much of the stuff falls into the category of cheap PC or too expensive pro. They seem to have trouble controlling costs. I have a beautiful 15" laptop from HP, but it cost as much as the 17" laptop from Apple.

      So this is pretty much par for the course. I don't know how much it is going to effect the Macbook Air, simply because Apple does not believe in selling computers based on the number of ports. I like the idea of wireless, but would hope that it would not be just ATT because there are some cheaper deals out there, unless we can use it as part of out iPhone plan, or just a nominal additional cost. Sure, that will happen, it will be another $40. In any case, the battery life of the Air is not so great, and I suspect that broadband might bring it to an hour.

      Right now the Air is 2 GB memory, standard. When the 4GB chips become cheap enough, and there is enough battery power, and if heating is not an issue, I suspect we will see that upgrade.

      The Dell machine is probably a good choice for someone who need to run windows on the road. The market is those who are willing to pay for a lighter laptop, and the selling point is not going to price or weight or any of those things. It is that you can run Windows and play on the internet wherever you are, and it will be a good experience. The average net-book cannot say that. The air could probably do that using boot camp and an external drive, but that is not nearly as nice of a solution.

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    13. Re:Article summary nails it by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      how unfairly some fictional 'anti-Mac fanatics' will respond

      Fictional? GMAFB. Read any /. story that can possibly, in any way, be interpreted as having something to do with Apple, and you'll see plenty of this fanaticism on display.

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    14. Re:Article summary nails it by Patch86 · · Score: 1

      No-one (sane) says that Macs are the MOST expensive PCs with comparable specs.

      Being in the most expensive quartile is still pretty notable, even if they are beaten to the top by some other overpriced gadgetry.

      People buy Macs because they like Macs and don't mind paying the premium for something they like. That doesn't mean that there isn't a premium...

    15. Re:Article summary nails it by Wingsy · · Score: 1

      "...the ability to copy files directly from one usb stick to another without needed a USB hub..."
      Oh Boy! That's the one feature that's kept me from getting an Air. You can't believe how many times I've had the need to do that while on the road!

      Seriously, some of the points you bring up have merit, but when you go over the top it dilutes what you're saying.

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    16. Re:Article summary nails it by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      Read any /. story that can possibly, in any way, be interpreted as having something to do with Apple, and you'll see plenty of this fanaticism on display.

      Really? I believe his point was that he just did, and that he didn't.

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    17. Re:Article summary nails it by Xiterion · · Score: 1

      I haven't read all the replies, but one thing that people seem to be missing in the price comparison to the Macbook Air is the inclusion of the solid state drive, which commands a $500 premium over the now standard 120 GB standard drive. This brings the cost of the Air up to $2300 in the 1.6 GHz configuration. Mind you, the Air still has it beat in terms of cost and it comes with OS X, but it makes the difference between the two computers not quite so extreme. Couple that with some fat Dell exclusive supplier deals with some companies and management's concurrent lust for the sexy laptop they aren't allowed to buy should make this laptop a solid contender on the business side of things.

    18. Re:Article summary nails it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "...the ability to copy files directly from one usb stick to another without needed a USB hub..."

      Oh Boy! That's the one feature that's kept me from getting an Air. You can't believe how many times I've had the need to do that while on the road!

      Seriously, some of the points you bring up have merit, but when you go over the top it dilutes what you're saying.

      First off, if you've really never needed to copy files from one of your usb stick/flashcards/camera's to someone else's usb stick... you need to get out more. Life's fun away from the mothership/docking station/daytrip world.

      Sure, you CAN copy it from the camera, to yoru HD, to their usb stick... but that's not "just working", that's a "work around". People wouldn
      t rip on the mac's shortcoming if they didn't pretend they didn't exist in the first place.

      I happen to think having only 1 USB port is a huge issue, so do many other people, including a couple of mac fans who would otherwise have looked past the other deficiencies of the air. How about the ability to use a USB stick and a mouse at the same time? The ability to use a mouse to drag and drop files to a back up hard drive, that seemed to be a big point 20 years back, is it the year of Linux command line ont he desktop now? Or the ability to, I don't know, use a scanner, wired network adapter, DVD drive or anything else at the same time? Hell about about just ripping a DVD to your iPod directly when your SSD HD is getting full?

      Seems like a lot of stress on that 1 USB port, and that means you will be much more likely to have 0 USB ports. Even my netbook has 3 USB ports.

    19. Re:Article summary nails it by molarmass192 · · Score: 1

      I agree, there is a premium, but it's not signficant on the high end. I just spent $2700 on a 17" MacBook Pro. I think that's a lot of money. However, I bought it because it's thin, light, and has an 8 hour battery life. Could I have gotten a better spec'ed machine for that money? Almost certainly. Could I get a full work day without needing to plug in for a recharge in a package as thin and light as the MBP? No. So ignoring OS X, that Mac bests anything in it's price range for portability.

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    20. Re:Article summary nails it by guruevi · · Score: 1

      It's getting more and more 'useful' to have something slightly better especially in the laptop division. There is such a huge power draw (~100W/processor) on desktop systems under full load that laptops can't afford anymore to have similar processors anymore. "3D cards" as we used to call them are also no longer an option.

      However newer applications like HD movies and effects on the desktop have become standard and what can be done on a desktop is also expected of a laptop. Even presentations (Keynote, PowerPoint) have gotten nice accelerated effects, I can enable OpenGL acceleration in NeoOffice and then there is the 'cross-browser' *ahum*Flash or Java-based*ahum* communication platforms that everybody is implementing for better or worse and everybody wants to do video conferencing and the bigger the picture, the better. Even a simple browser can peg at least 1 core on a CPU if you're going to a site that uses Flash or JavaScript effects.

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  4. Adamo from Dell by Gizzmonic · · Score: 4, Funny

    Dell Adamo, for when you want to be pretentious, but you can't afford Apple.

    And yes, that website is hideous Flashturbation. I dare you to "encounter," "admire," "discover," or "commit" anything useful about the Adamo on the page. Apple gets credit here for blending marketing and tech specs. Where is the audience for Adamo? They already bought Apple or they're scratching their heads trying to find out how much RAM and CPU it has.

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    1. Re:Adamo from Dell by ivan256 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Dell Adamo, for when you want to be pretentious, but you can't afford Apple.

      Did you miss the part where it's more expensive than an Air?

    2. Re:Adamo from Dell by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 5, Informative

      Dell Adamo, for when you want to be pretentious, but you can't afford Apple.

      Umm...

      Dell Adamo:

      • 1.2GHz - $1999
      • 1.4GHz - $2699

      Apple MacBook Air:

      • 1.6GHz - $1799
      • 1.4GHz - $2499

      I'm no math whiz, but...

    3. Re:Adamo from Dell by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 4, Informative

      Correction, that last MacBook Air should be the 1.86GHz model.

    4. Re:Adamo from Dell by Quantos · · Score: 1, Informative

      The Toshiba Qosmio is a far better buy than the Adamo as well.
      2.13 GHz- $1849.00
      Nothing special there with the Adamo, we can all find better products than a Dell, at a better price. You just need to look, and work out the arm muscles :)

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    5. Re:Adamo from Dell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dell is obviously taking a page from Apple's playbook.. In this case, using the page called "Perceived Value." By raising the price they can make it that much more desirable.. Like a $15 bottle of water.

    6. Re:Adamo from Dell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Owning a MBA requires one to spend $100/day at Starbucks, $1300/month at Armani and $90/month with AT&T.

      Adamo, in comparison, only requires $8/day at Starbucks, $50/month at GAP and nothing with AT&T.

    7. Re:Adamo from Dell by Lueseiseki · · Score: 1

      Well, I like the music.

    8. Re:Adamo from Dell by beelsebob · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why are you even bothering comparing a 17 or 18" gaming hunk of junk with a 13" ultra-thin?

    9. Re:Adamo from Dell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except for the fact that every single Toshiba laptop I have seen in the past 5 years has had severe overheating problems. Further, Toshiba as a company makes low quality products that have a high rate of failure.

    10. Re:Adamo from Dell by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      I dare you to "encounter," "admire," "discover," or "commit" anything useful about the Adamo on the page.

      They're mixing two different lingo-sets. 'Commit' is a word for business people, much like paradigm, synergy, or innovate.

      The word they REALLY want is 'acquire.' That will appeal much more to the hipster, pay-too-much-money crowd who believes that neither looks nor performance actually matter, but how 'deck' the person selling it is, and how he 'relates' to them. People who believe you can experience love with a laptop. And that's all that matters.

      There must be someone in the world like that. Maybe they live in New York.

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    11. Re:Adamo from Dell by moonbender · · Score: 1

      The Toshiba Qosmio is a far better buy than the Adamo as well.

      Wow, that has got to be the ugliest laptop I have ever seen. "New eye-popping design" -- it popped my eyes, I'll give em that, now how do I stop the bleeding?

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    12. Re:Adamo from Dell by Quantos · · Score: 1

      Then take your pick from Tiger Direct.
      Like I said, you can find them anywhere. The reason I chose the "gaming hunk of junk" is that it is far more functional. You just need to work on the upper body strength a bit :)

      Oh and AC, yes they are warm, but I don't put them on my lap. I've never had one overheat though, and this is far from my first Toshiba.

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    13. Re:Adamo from Dell by Quantos · · Score: 1

      Just apply alot of pressure :)
      I solved that by just looking at the screen instead of the case.

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    14. Re:Adamo from Dell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you read TFA?

      Remove "gaming" from your statement and it would be about right.

      The MacBook Air outperformed it in all the gaming benchmarks. There's not much, if anything, the Adamo is good at, it seems.

    15. Re:Adamo from Dell by cachimaster · · Score: 0

      ... but you are not a computer wizard either.

      Adamo has a ULV processor, SU9300 according google, while Macbook air is a LV processor.
      The difference is in power consumption. LV thermal design is 15 Watts max, while ULV is 5 watts max.
      That helps with the battery but the most bigger difference IMHO is the heat. ULV processors runs *cool* even at 100% while LV processors, while cooler than normal processors, put a fairy quantity of heat directly on your hands, and that sucks. I know by experience that the ULV processor of the lenovo X200 is dead cool, while the LV of my X60 get hot sometimes. But ULV is slower, yes.

    16. Re:Adamo from Dell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Owning a MBA requires one to spend $100/day at Starbucks, $1300/month at Armani and $90/month with AT&T.

      This works for both the Apple MBA, and the fake degree MBA.

    17. Re:Adamo from Dell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $100/day at Starbucks? Christ, that's nearly a half dozen venti quad soy extra-hot dry mocha valencias.

    18. Re:Adamo from Dell by high_rolla · · Score: 1

      You know, whenever I see the url for their site I read it as ada-moby-dell and conjure up these images of an object oriented, ambient sounding business PC. Then I see these reviews and wonder if that's maybe what they were aiming for.

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    19. Re:Adamo from Dell by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      ... but you are not a computer wizard either.

      ...I seem to be a reading comprehension wizard, at least compared to most Slashdotters. They covered both the battery and heating issues in TFA.

      "Even with our 128GB SSD configuration, the Adamo is rarely a silent machine. The fan, incidentally hidden behind some of the most stylish vents I've ever seen, runs almost nonstop during basic operation."

      ...and a battery life about the same as the MacBook Air from the same reviewers:

      And I was able to play back a high-def WMV for just over half Dell's claim. Total Run Time: 2 hours, 40 minutes

  5. Re:Who cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anything is better than a fruit.

  6. Apples and Oranges? by icebike · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The processor speed of the Macbook Air was a lot higher than the Adamo. The Adamo easily outpaced the Lenovo with the same processor speed.

    Of course processor speed isn't everything.

    The video card is the key here (or so the reviewers would have your believe).

    In the real world that this device was meant to operate in, I suspect Joe User would never notice the difference in video performance since its adequate for YouTube.

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    1. Re:Apples and Oranges? by MBCook · · Score: 5, Informative

      Gizmodo mentions the CPU speed thing, but they also point out the Air is cheaper in it's minimal configuration but still faster than the Adamo.

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    2. Re:Apples and Oranges? by ShooterNeo · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      If I pay $2000 for a laptop computer, it needs to be a state of the art, high performance beast.

    3. Re:Apples and Oranges? by linzeal · · Score: 1

      Never buy anything with an Intel graphics chip, they are junk.

    4. Re:Apples and Oranges? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gizmodo mentions the CPU speed thing, but they also point out the Air is cheaper in it's minimal configuration but still faster than the Adamo.

      And pray what are those minimal specs on the apple?

    5. Re:Apples and Oranges? by jgtg32a · · Score: 1

      Then you are looking for a desktop replacement not a ultra slim. Granted its going to be bigger than a newborn baby and weigh a bit more.

    6. Re:Apples and Oranges? by Mista2 · · Score: 1

      So what they have made is a U$2000 netbook?

      Now I have an Acer Aspire one, and I keep thinking, this only needs a keyboard that doesnt flex and an aluminium case and it would be about the same as a macbook Air, just smaller and with more USB ports. The air will still kick it's ass for graphics and general speed becuase it had better graphics and a proper SSD HDD, but Ther Acer only costs NZ$500, and an Air costs NZ$3000

    7. Re:Apples and Oranges? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2, Informative

      The base model Air is a 1.6GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor (SL9300) with a 1066MHz FSB and 6MB cache whereas the base Adamo has a 1.2 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo (SU9300) with a 800 MHz FSB and 3MB cache. At $1799, the Air uses a 120GB SATA and the $1999 Adamo uses a 128GB SSD. The $2699 Adamo ups the CPU to 1.4 GHz and the memory to 4GB but still at 800MHz FSB.

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    8. Re:Apples and Oranges? by beelsebob · · Score: 1

      That would be with a 1.6Ghz CPU â" faster than the fastest Adamo.

    9. Re:Apples and Oranges? by beelsebob · · Score: 1

      No, but price for price is fair â" 1.6Ghz MacBook Air against 1.2Ghz Adamo, or 1.8Ghz MacBook air against 1.4Ghz Adamo.

      The MacBook comes out cheeper, lighter, quieter, and more powerful on both comparisons.

    10. Re:Apples and Oranges? by Auroch · · Score: 1

      Yes, apple did get the youtube working reasonably well properly on the SECOND revision of the air. I wonder if the adamo comes with the same power saving feature? (turning off randomly...)

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    11. Re:Apples and Oranges? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The video card is the key here

      Nuh-uh!

      Everyone knows that the RAMs and Megapixels are what's important!

      It needs more tubes in its interweb too.

      -Ted

    12. Re:Apples and Oranges? by Achromatic1978 · · Score: 2, Informative
      I loved how when talking about the "minimum configuration' in respect to the MBA being "better", you only picked those attributes that the MBA was ahead in, and none of those that it was not.

      Subtle. I like it.

      I didn't see any mention of integrated EvDO. eSATA. I liked the little spin that implies "you can get an SSD with the Adamo, but it'll cost you", neglecting the fact that the Adamo's SSD retails for around $450, whereas the difference in price is $200 + $48 for the MBA's 120GB SATA drive (unless of course you bought it from Apple, who'd probably charge you $200 for it)...

    13. Re:Apples and Oranges? by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      The best people to go for cheap desktop replacements are Toshiba. You can buy reasonable ones for about $500-$600 if you're not going to run games and don't care about graphics performance.

      Incidentally, attempting to buy a laptop to run games on is the stupidest waste of money ever. You'll never get one as good as a desktop machine, your battery performance will suck, and you can't upgrade the video card or DVD to blueray or add another hard drive to hold your ISOs or whatever. And who the hell plays games in their lap on that little keyboard? If you're setting it down and plugging in a keyboard and mouse, you don't need a 'laptop'!

      Just buy a easily portable case with shock mounts for the hard drive, ya fools. They make them with handholds and everything. Plug in a wireless keyboard and mouse, hook up a flat panel, set it all on a table where you can easily get to the wiring to disconnect. Maybe even use a USB hub as a docking station.

      And you've got something that's almost as easy as a laptop to tote to someone's house for a lan party or into your living room to hook up to your TV. Yet cost you $600 for a tricked out machine instead of $3000. And then spend another $500 on a nice laptop to websurf and watch TV in the kitchen or when you're at the library or airport, but isn't capable of playing Call of Duty 4.

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    14. Re:Apples and Oranges? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      I loved how when talking about the "minimum configuration' in respect to the MBA being "better", you only picked those attributes that the MBA was ahead in, and none of those that it was not.

      The only spin is the one you are implying. Perhaps you missed this part:

      At $1799, the Air uses a 120GB SATA and the $1999 Adamo uses a 128GB SSD

      You get an SSD but you also get a slower bus and a slower processor. If some people want that trade off, they are free to chose the Adamo.

      I didn't see any mention of integrated EvDO. eSATA. I liked the little spin that implies "you can get an SSD with the Adamo, but it'll cost you", neglecting the fact that the Adamo's SSD retails for around $450, whereas the difference in price is $200 + $48 for the MBA's 120GB SATA drive (unless of course you bought it from Apple, who'd probably charge you $200 for it)...

      I was merely listing the main things people would care about like the processor, bus speed, HD size and type. EvDO? Seriously do some people care that they get marginally better network speed when not connected to a wifi as opposed to slower overall computer? Also I could go on and on about how the Adamo uses an Intel GS45 video chipset while the Air runs laps around it with an nVidia 9400. Also another reason I didn't last all the specs, is the fact that Dell didn't even list them on their own website. You can't get much technical data at all unless you go to third party website. Dell doesn't even list that eSATA or EvDO you mentioned or that it has a 1.3 MP camera.

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    15. Re:Apples and Oranges? by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      Incidentally, attempting to buy a laptop to run games on is the stupidest waste of money ever.

      The vast majority of gamers are casual gamers and most games run just fine on laptops. That's why "The Sims" franchise is the best selling game of all time.

      You'll never get one as good as a desktop machine, your battery performance will suck, and you can't upgrade the video card or DVD to blueray or add another hard drive to hold your ISOs or whatever.

      Most people don't need as good of specs as a high end desktop to play games. Battery performance will suck compared to the battery in your desktop? Does that make any sense? Most people never upgrade components of their desktops either.

      And who the hell plays games in their lap on that little keyboard?

      I do at LAN parties.

      If you're setting it down and plugging in a keyboard and mouse, you don't need a 'laptop'!

      Umm, some of us perform more than one task with our computers. You know, like we use it to get work done at the coffee shop, to stay in contact with the home office when on the road, to do real work at the office, to surf the Web at home one the couch, and to play games, at my desk at home. For some of those I plug in a keyboard and trackpad and second monitor For some, I need the portability and for some I want more performance. I sure don't want two machines I have to synch.

      Just buy a easily portable case with shock mounts for the hard drive, ya fools.

      Yeah, that will work well on the plane. Your needs are not the needs of everyone else or even the majority of people.

    16. Re:Apples and Oranges? by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      The vast majority of gamers are casual gamers and most games run just fine on laptops. That's why "The Sims" franchise is the best selling game of all time.

      No, they aren't. The vast majority of game players are casual. 'Gamer' is a specific term referring to people who build high end machines with the intent of getting the most graphic and CPU performance from them in order to play the newest games.

      And they always upgrade their computers, when they aren't buying entirely new ones.

      I wasn't talking about people buying laptops that can run games. I have a few games on my laptop. NWN1 runs fine on it. Scummvm runs everything fine.

      I was talking about the $2000 and up 'gamer laptops', when in the actual universe it would always be better to build a damn gaming computer with handles and then buy a cheap laptop. And, no, gamers do not play on laptop keyboards. They play on fucking custom keyboards with rows of extra buttons macro'd to hotkeys.

      If your laptop costs less than $2000, I'm not talking about it in any way, shape, or form. I was talking about the specific 'desktop replacement' laptops designed to run the (almost) newest games. Which are, as I said, damn stupid purchases.

      I understand that when you read 'gamer laptops', you thought 'gamer=person who plays computer games' and 'laptop=any laptop', and thought I said 'playing any game on a laptop is stupid'.

      No. That's not what I meant by 'gamer', which is a specific self-identified subset of computer owners, and that's not what I meant by 'gamer laptop', which are absurdly expensive laptops designed to be purchased by that subset.

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    17. Re:Apples and Oranges? by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      The vast majority of gamers are casual gamers and most games run just fine on laptops. That's why "The Sims" franchise is the best selling game of all time.

      No, they aren't. The vast majority of game players are casual. 'Gamer' is a specific term referring to people who build high end machines with the intent of getting the most graphic and CPU performance from them in order to play the newest games.

      The dictionary disagrees with you:

      gamer - noun

      a person who plays a game or games, typically a participant in a computer or role-playing game. (esp. in sports) a person known for consistently making a strong effort.

      The term you seem to have wanted is usually "extreme gamer".

      And, no, gamers do not play on laptop keyboards. They play on fucking custom keyboards with rows of extra buttons macro'd to hotkeys.

      Please. I used to play Warcraft3 and Diablo2 at LAN parties on a laptop all the time and I used the regular old keyboard with the regular old F keys mapped to my macros.

      No. That's not what I meant by 'gamer', which is a specific self-identified subset of computer owners, and that's not what I meant by 'gamer laptop', which are absurdly expensive laptops designed to be purchased by that subset.

      I see the misunderstanding. I still think you're being presumptuous. Many people have different needs and wants than you and are better off choosing a laptop for their gaming needs, even if they do it professionally.

  7. I've already said so by rinoid · · Score: 1

    The Adam0 is a bore.

    Great design? It's squarer than the Air, sure. Great? Well, it is cleaner than anything I've EVER seen from Dell.

    Light? It's a full pound heavier than the Air -- now that's a fatty!

    Can you make a commercial begging someone to take your money and buy a light laptop and NOT buy the Air?
    Nope! -- At $2600 for an Adama that does not out perform the top end Air at 2,499.00 (starting at 1799.00 btw).

    I still don't know why ppl drool for Netbooks either ... at least these things have full size keyboards and screens. If all I did was email and surf it'd be great.

    And BTW -- who cares about HDMI out? I don't really care as long as I can hook the device up to a projector or external monitor. Both the Adam0 and the Air satisfy this need.

    1. Re:I've already said so by dgatwood · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A lot of us like netbooks precisely because they don't have full size keyboards or screens.

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    2. Re:I've already said so by jrothwell97 · · Score: 1

      Great design? It's squarer than the Air, sure. Great? Well, it is cleaner than anything I've EVER seen from Dell.

      I'll admit the design isn't too bad (I still think it's ugly, but that's my own opinion).

      It was a bit cheeky of Dell, though, to parrot at the beginning of the http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUJqWc6seYkAdamo promotional video (if you haven't seen that video, watch it: it's hilariously bad, even worse than the MS Songsmith one) how dedicated Dell is to industrial design. This has a particular resonance with me, because I distinctly remember certain Optiplexes which hid the front ports behind a silly snap-lock door, so to plug in a USB drive you had to pry away the door, fumble to get the device in, and then install a mirror so that you could see the access light (they made the silly mistake of placing them the wrong way round.)

      Those are very dubious industrial design credentials.

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    3. Re:I've already said so by maxume · · Score: 1

      If 6 or 7 pounds is a problem (and the Dell is only 4), the laptop isn't the only sissy.

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    4. Re:I've already said so by Znork · · Score: 1

      I still don't know why ppl drool for Netbooks either

      They're still a bit large and unwieldy, but they're at the point where you can stick'em in a coat pocket or trivially fit them into a fairly small backpack. And large though my coat pockets may be, there's simply no way I'll fit a full size keyboard in it.

      Personally I don't get why people have ordinary laptops; they have nowhere near the screen space or performance to act as a decent replacement for a desktop, nor are they portable enough to do much but lug them between workplaces and, perhaps, meetings.

      And of course, I don't get the 'flat' or 'thin' thing at all. The 'flatness' criteria falls somewhere below 'amount of rose scent emitted' for a computing device for me...

      But hey, I guess we've all got different uses for our devices :).

    5. Re:I've already said so by Duradin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "An ounce in the morning is a pound in the evening." - Old hiking adage.

      If you're paying good money for laptop that focuses on portability weight is rather important.

      At first, you think the people that cut down the handles of their toothbrush to save weight are rather nuts. Then you find out that all their crazy methods of shaving off weight from individual items actually ends up to a noticeable reduction in overall weight.

      The same principles applies to more work related traveling. If you can shave off a pound here, a few ounces there, eventually you're commuting with a noticeably lighter load.

    6. Re:I've already said so by maxume · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yet this brings to mind a fat guy riding an extremely fancy bike.

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    7. Re:I've already said so by KylePflug · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A lot of mobile professionals who carry computers in a bag along with, say, documents or books will find "thin" to be at least as important as the other dimensions. For example, a 17" Macbook and a 13" Macbook take up functionally the same amount of space in a messenger bag (1"), which is a lot less than many cheaper computers.

      Thin is expensive, and is only worth it if it's actually useful, but sometimes it is truly useful.

    8. Re:I've already said so by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      And we wonder where the obesity epidemic came from!

      I've got friends who play sports wearing weight vests. They can outrun and outjump anybody else on the field even when wearing 40 lbs of metal.

      Then I've got friends who walk around with super-light laptops. They pay hundreds of dollars more to save carrying an extra pound of metal to the coffee shop for their latte. They are, to put it mildly, not in as good shape as the former group.

      Do we really need *lighter* machines?

      Even if you need to optimize for weight, the first rule of optimization is to *profile*. If you've got enough weight for it to matter, then your laptop is (a) a relatively small percentage of it, and (b) a really expensive thing to lighten.

    9. Re:I've already said so by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      If you're walking long distances with a laptop, instead of spending money on a lighter laptop, spend money on a backpack to put it in so it doesn't require constant correction of your balance.

      You can carry a weight on your back for about ten times as long as you can carry it on one shoulder.

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    10. Re:I've already said so by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      Some people need a portable computer. I don't know why you say you don't know why people have them, and then state the explicit reason they do: They need a computer they can easily haul from place to place, and can use to some extent without any accessories except maybe a wireless mouse in their laptop bag.

      I, for example, work from home, and my work computer (I'm a web designer) is a Toshiba Satellite laptop, it was about $650, purchased for me by my job about three years ago. It can handle everything I need it to do, up to and including Photoshop. (Now that I've upped the RAM to 2 gig.) It's hooked to my monitor and keyboard and mouse so people don't even realize 'my computer' is a laptop. I've had people ask if they can use my laptop while I'm sitting typing...at my laptop.

      So it behaves exactly like a low-end desktop PC, for maybe $200 more...but I can pick it up and carry it into work when I go there. Or take to my hotel room on business trips. Or when visiting clients. Or carry it when visiting the family if some work emergency pops up.

      My laptop is actually hooked into a KVM where the other side is my gaming computer, which was actually about the same price as my laptop. But is, of course, a tower.

      Both 'portable low-end desktop replacement' and 'ultra-thin carry-anywhere portable web browser' laptops have their places. No, the category of computer that doesn't make any sense is gaming laptops. Just buy an easily luggable case with shock mounts for the hard drives. No one should play fricking modern computer games in their lap or on a laptop display. You just paid a $1000 premium to make your game computer non-upgradable, good thinking there.

      I remember when we used to haul CRTs for lan parties and hook up everything there...you guys can haul fricking LCD displays, one of those portable 'cube' cases with handles, and a wireless mouse and keyboard and even a wifi card built in. It's like 20 pounds of equipment and three damn cables to plug in, as opposed to our 60 pounds and miles of wiring.

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    11. Re:I've already said so by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HDMI is useful for connecting to newer TVs, sure they usually have VGA inputs as well, but for some reason my Sony TV has a resolution of 1366x768, but will only do 1280x768 using VGA leaving black bars at both sides so if I want play a video from a computer, a HDMI connection is better.

    12. Re:I've already said so by Znork · · Score: 1

      and then state the explicit reason they do

      Ah, my bad, I should have contrasted that with having a few decent workplaces and using VPN and/or USB sticks to move things between them. And a palmtop/netbook for the portable needs.

      And yes, I know that for some cases they actually make sense; yours sounds like one of them. Still, I find myself surrounded with a lot of people who don't actually seem to use it that way. At best they lug it around as a portable presentation unit and the only reason they take it home is that it might get stolen if they leave it at the office. Compared to having a serious multihead desktop with fast disk and decent amounts of memory, it just seems like a bad compromise for the limited advantage they gain.

      I remember when we used to haul CRTs for lan parties and hook up everything there...

      Hehe, I remember when there were actual 'portable computers' with CRT's _in_ them. IBM had a model with an itty-bitty 7 inch or something yellow and black screen in it. Even then people wanted to lug it around between workplaces, and it weighed something like 60 pounds all on it's own.

      Still, it didn't take them long to give up and use floppies instead.

    13. Re:I've already said so by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      Ah, my bad, I should have contrasted that with having a few decent workplaces and using VPN and/or USB sticks to move things between them. And a palmtop/netbook for the portable needs.

      Heh, try pulling up Dreamweaver or Photoshop off a USB stick. There is a 'fake a Windows environment' tool that would let you try it (I'm blanking on the name), but there's no way in hell it would actually finish launching in less than an hour.

      Amd I'd need to hijack one of their computers anyway, and often their computers are crap.

      Likewise, half the time I don't even have internet access, or would just have dialup. It's an interesting fact of selling businesses web sites: Often they don't have internet connectivity, or are using lameass dialup and their ISP email account or hotmail.

      No, I walk into meetings with clients with my laptop and my bluetooth-enabled phone for cellular dialup. And my little bluetooth mouse. Expecting them to have anything is a good way to spend 30 minutes screwing around setting stuff up. Sometimes they have an open-wifi network or a obvious open router port I can plug into, but that's it. (Recently my laptop batteries have dropped from four hours to 30 minutes, so I'm finding myself needing to find power outlets...I need to get a new battery.)

      And I use it as my normal desktop at other times simply because it's easy to keep one workspace, and the machine is fast enough. (Plus, of course, it is my work computer, and my other computer is not.)

      But, yes, people in office buildings should just have desktops, although I'm not a fan of the 'portable workspace'...it's really absurd that businesses can't give their workers a fricking dedicated workspace. I actually think it's absurd they stick them in cubicles.

      Still, I find myself surrounded with a lot of people who don't actually seem to use it that way. At best they lug it around as a portable presentation unit and the only reason they take it home is that it might get stolen if they leave it at the office. Compared to having a serious multihead desktop with fast disk and decent amounts of memory, it just seems like a bad compromise for the limited advantage they gain.

      A lot of people think of laptops as a status symbol for some unknown reason, when in reality it's a 'less powerful computer you can move around easily and sometimes use without even a table'. And netbook are 'even less powerful computers designed to be held in your lap'.

      It is possibly the stupidest status symbol ever, and it is idiotic to have to carry it around so it won't get stolen.

      Also, I'm working on getting my laptop multi-headed, via a USB video card. Right now it's my workspace that is the limitation.

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  8. Which is it? Cheap, Fast, or Pretty? by mpapet · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    This is the epitome of crappy consumer journalism. It is IMPOSSIBLE for a reader to establish the value of the product.

    Damning it with manufacturing issues when the consumer that cares is not Dell's primary customer. Were the issues preventable? Yes. Would the end-user price gone up to a point it no-longer makes sense to a Dell customer? Probably.

    Damning it with performance issues. Again, the price would have been negatively affected by trying to make it mac-like. Not to mention driving *Dell* customers away!

    I'm not a Dell consumer at all, but there was a very good reason they have become as large as they are. Customers think the product is 'good-enough.' This is a super-slim laptop that will be a good fit for Dell customers.

    Damn you Gizmodo! Daaaammmmmmnnnn you!!!!!!

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  9. Re:Who cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good point.

    If you have a ribbed dildo up your ass, you probably don't care about this.

  10. Power? How about battery... by massysett · · Score: 1

    Lots of these reviews for portables talk about power. I couldn't care less about power. I have a three-year-old Pentium M with 512 MB of RAM (shared with the graphics!) that was OVER-powered. All I used was the browser, some console apps, and occasionally a media player. I replaced the laptop, but only because the hinges were shot. I didn't even use half of the memory on the thing.

    No, for me battery life is more important than power. "The biggest mistake Dell made with this system, by far, was the inclusion of Intel's GMA X4500HD GPU." Then there is a graph of FPS. I'll take battery life over FPS. (Unfortunately it looks like this Dell is good at neither of those.)

    1. Re:Power? How about battery... by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

      Power matters. The intel atom chokes when simply browsing some ajax-enabled web pages in firefox, while more powerful CPUs don't blink.

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    2. Re:Power? How about battery... by bami · · Score: 1

      Power matters. The intel atom chokes when simply browsing some ajax-enabled web pages in firefox, while more powerful CPUs don't blink.

      I'd like to know which atom you are using.

      The Atom N270 in my EEE 901 has no problem at all with heavy AJAX sites, like the whole google 'suite' (gmail, maps, calendar, igoogle?). The only times that thing chokes is on heavy flash games, or java applets. Then again, I haven't seen a java applet yet that doesn't make a browser choke, be it a desktop or mobile core2duo/quad, the atom or any other random piece of hardware.

      Now what would be interesting if they made such a ultraflat laptop with the 'new' dualcore atom, along with nvidia's ion graphics. Chuck in a reasonably sized battery and that thing would give power comparable to a low-end core 2 duo.

    3. Re:Power? How about battery... by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

      Try something like Ikariam. That chokes on the Atom.

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  11. Re:Which is it? Cheap, Fast, or Pretty? by geekboy642 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Your entire post would make sense if only one thing were true. If this PC weren't MORE expensive than the closest Mac counterpart, you could excuse poor build quality, under-powered processor, and heftiness as merely being good value for dollar. But that's not true. It's MORE EXPENSIVE than the Air. A slim laptop that's more pricey than the already overpriced status symbol that is the Macbook Air, but provides significantly less value? Somebody failed, and failed hard.

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  12. Dell really should have called it Adama by SkinnyKid63 · · Score: 5, Funny

    They could give it a gruff exterior, but it would kick the ass of any other computer that got in its way, Apple or Cylon.

  13. Who is the target market for this product? by Yhippa · · Score: 1

    I'm still trying to figure that out. It does not exceed the specs for the MBA especially in price which is what Microsoft's new ad campaign is all about.

    I guess if you need a MBA form-factor that runs Windows this is your thing. I'd much prefer to run Windows virtually in the MBA though.

    1. Re:Who is the target market for this product? by jrothwell97 · · Score: 1

      Or run it natively, which it is quite capable of doing (it is x86/64 compatible, of course.)

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  14. Re:Adamo sounds like a child pornography website by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Alabama is a state of high Morales...

    I didn't know Alabama had a large Latino population, much less a large population of Latinos on drugs.

  15. My 2 year old X61 Thinkpad is lighter, faster, by Logic+Worshipper · · Score: 2, Interesting

    and cheaper. 1.2Ghz dual core processor? Wtf? My 2 year old 3lb thinkpad has a 1.8Ghz dual core processor, and I bought it new for half what an Adamo costs 2 years ago. If an Adamo was a cheaper alternative to a thinkpad I could understand, but it's more expensive too! Why would anyone in their right mind buy a Adamo instead of thinkpad?

    1. Re:My 2 year old X61 Thinkpad is lighter, faster, by beelsebob · · Score: 2, Informative

      Did you miss the bit where you could fit two adamos/airs inside your think pad. The think pad is a thick 14" laptop, these are two *ultra* thin, very light 13" laptops. Where by ultra thin, we mean average 0.46" thick, compared to your thinkpad's average 1.175". And by light, we mean 3lb, not your thinkpad's 5.1lb.

    2. Re:My 2 year old X61 Thinkpad is lighter, faster, by PFAK · · Score: 1

      I hate to break it to you: The ThinkPad X61 is only ~3.11lbs.

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    3. Re:My 2 year old X61 Thinkpad is lighter, faster, by beelsebob · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Oh fail, I read T61, but then, you could fit *three* MacBook airs inside the thicknss of the X61.

    4. Re:My 2 year old X61 Thinkpad is lighter, faster, by mako1138 · · Score: 1

      Isn't the X61 12", and more like 4 pounds? You're quite right about the thickness though.

    5. Re:My 2 year old X61 Thinkpad is lighter, faster, by PFAK · · Score: 1

      Yes, but I think you have to take Price vs. Reward: The X61 is a very attractive offering if you look at the price point of it.

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    6. Re:My 2 year old X61 Thinkpad is lighter, faster, by mgblst · · Score: 1

      Yeah, considering there was an x61t deal a few weeks ago for $650, yeah, it is a cheaper deal.

    7. Re:My 2 year old X61 Thinkpad is lighter, faster, by Logic+Worshipper · · Score: 1

      3 pounds, and yes, 12.1" screen. But who in their right mind would sacrifice proccesser speed and pay $1000 more for one inch of screen size?

    8. Re:My 2 year old X61 Thinkpad is lighter, faster, by beelsebob · · Score: 1

      Sure, but again, we're discussing *ultra-thin* laptops. If you want to look at not ultra-thin, then you can go to the MacBook, not the Air, or to the XPS m1330, not the Adamo. Both of those will offer you a much more compelling price/power ratio, but a much less compelling price/thinness ratio.

      Bottom line â" we're not discussing the class of laptop you're talking about. No matter how shiny it is, it's not part of this discussion.

  16. just... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    buy a thinkpad

  17. See, what Dell have created here by jrothwell97 · · Score: 1

    Dell have created, with the Adamo, what is effectively a pocket calculator for the price you're getting. Christ, I've seen machines on sale for less than £400 (around $800 at the time) which are more powerful than this thing.

    In no way is it the most beautiful machine Dell's ever made. The black (sorry, Onyx) colour isn't too bad, but both types have a Quasimodo hunch-back, which seems to serve no purpose other than to store the bits they couldn't fit in to the rest of the machine because they were desperate to make it thinner than the MBA. It's also nowhere near as nice as the Studio Hybrids. Heck, the Inspirons are prettier than the white/pearl Adamo.

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    1. Re:See, what Dell have created here by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

      I also like how they couldn't decide on one kind of finish so they just threw little bits of every finish they liked onto the machine.

      This might be a taste issue but I think the backside of the Adamo's screen simply looks bad. Like it was randomly thrown together.

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  18. Resolution? by salimma · · Score: 1

    Sorry, but I'm not paying twice what I spent on a (quite nice) Inspiron only to get a laptop with less vertical pixels.

    Why not 1440x800? That's almost the same aspect ratio. Or 1366x800.

    It *does* look rather gorgeous, though.

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  19. It gets worse: See the commercial. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 4, Funny
    1. Re:It gets worse: See the commercial. by fbjon · · Score: 1

      Holy green screen jaggies, Batman! I might expect something like this in the early morning on some tv-shopping channel.

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    2. Re:It gets worse: See the commercial. by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

      That proves it: The design requirements for this thing were "produce some artsy crap". They clearly spent more time interpreting what they meant to express by putting three different kinds of metal finish next to each other than they did thinking about hardware specs.

      "With edge-to-edge glass, adamo was designed to elicit desire and redefine the image of power." Holy shit. That's a bit like Ferrari building a Segway clone and shipping it with a ten-page treatise on why it still counts as a penis extension.

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    3. Re:It gets worse: See the commercial. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fantastically awful. Apple may suck monkey balls... but they do know EXACTLY how to market to the poseurs who buy crap like the ADAMO (say it breathlessly!). Dell clearly don't. They should never have given up box shifting - they were good at it.

  20. Re:Which is it? Cheap, Fast, or Pretty? by mlts · · Score: 1

    The Adamo is coming into a hard market segment:

    If people want an ultralight laptop, like people pointed out, they can grab a Macbook Air. IIRC, you can just zero out the Air's disk and install Vista without needing Boot Camp if one felt like it. Or, one can keep OS X and use Boot Camp to make Windows XP work (which would be lighter on system resources).

    If people wanted a Windows machine (where it is expressly noted that the machine is not a Mac) for professional use, Thinkpads are the black limousine of the laptop world. People can purchase a Thinkpad X Series.

    This is nothing against Dell. Dell's competition just has better offerings than what it has in this market segment. If I were buying business desktop PCs, regular laptops, or servers, I'd strongly consider Dell. However, for a premium ultralight, the competition is ahead here.

  21. Yay for expanding my vocabulary! by zooblethorpe · · Score: 5, Funny

    And yes, that website is hideous Flashturbation.

    Thank you, Gizmonic, for introducing me to yet another word I expect never to use in polite company. :)

    Cheers,

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    "A four-foot prune."
  22. Good looks? really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't understand why everybody things this thing looks so good. It looks so awkward like the components don't fit together properly and it has no style. It's absolutely hideous.

    1. Re:Good looks? really? by SeanBlader · · Score: 1

      And if you go to Germany there are people there who think Kate Moss is hideous too. So obviously there are people who know what looks good and there are people that don't.

    2. Re:Good looks? really? by Chrono11901 · · Score: 1

      And there are people who aren't ignorant and understand that taste is subjective.

  23. Air Battery Life? by SeanBlader · · Score: 1

    So since the processor and graphics are slower than the Air, shouldn't the battery life on the Adamo be better? What's the Air rated at for battery life, and then how does it actually do?

    1. Re:Air Battery Life? by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      What's the Air rated at for battery life, and then how does it actually do?

      Apple claims 4.5 hours and in reality, under heavy use it delivers about 2.5 hours according to reviewers. So, close enough to the Adamo to not matter.

  24. So basically by freedan · · Score: 1

    it's a $2000 netbook?

  25. Anyone Else Bothered ... by saltydog56 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is anyone else bothered by the fact that the slot for the ATT SIM Card (a more elegant solution than USB device by God!) kind of tilts the playing field in the direction of one vendor? If I were to pay that much for a laptop I would want everything about it to be "general purpose" to the largest extent possible.

    1. Re:Anyone Else Bothered ... by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      Depends on if it's a locked configuration. The ATT SIM is the standard GSM (presuming it operates on all int'l frequencies). You can drop in a SIM from just about anywhere in the world. Since this is a US product, and AT&T probably helped out with the advert budget, it's hyped as such. Plus, in the US, AT&T is one of the most ubiquitous providers.

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    2. Re:Anyone Else Bothered ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In other parts of the world, a SIM Card slot is general purpose.

    3. Re:Anyone Else Bothered ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dell just partners with AT&T, I presume, but you can stick any sim card in there. It's the same here in germany, they ship the notebooks with spam from Vodafone and even include a non-activated sim card, but the "WWAN" card works with any SIM.

  26. Off topic: why GHz? by jw3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is a genuine question, not a troll. I'm really interested in the answer.

    What is the meaning of comparing the GHz as a major factor in evaluation of a laptop? I'm a bioinformatician. I do most of my work on an X40 Thinkpad. For small jobs, this is more than sufficient. For major calculations, one or two cores will not suffice, no matter what the GHz.

    From my experience, for most of the tasks, a difference of even 10% in the speed is not an issue, and anyway, there are dozens of other factors that influence both, the real computing speed and the reactivity of the interface. To me, things like memory, disk access, networking, cacheing, usage pattern and last but not least, what software solution you have picked for your task seem to be more influencial on the overall perfomance than a difference between 1.6 or 1.86 GHz. Yet in most comparisons (e.g. several posts here on Slashdot), when talking of a laptop, first two things to mention are the price tag and the GHz.

    Question: am I missing something? What is so important about the GHz of the processor to use it as a proxy for "performance"? Is it just historical, or maybe because it is easy to quantify, like in the case of megapixels in digital cameras (which are nowadays mostly meaningless, but easy to compare)?

    j.

    1. Re:Off topic: why GHz? by feepness · · Score: 1

      Question: am I missing something? What is so important about the GHz of the processor to use it as a proxy for "performance"? Is it just historical, or maybe because it is easy to quantify, like in the case of megapixels in digital cameras (which are nowadays mostly meaningless, but easy to compare)?

      Two things.

      1) It's all about the epeen. If you've dropped $2K you want to know you've got the best.

      2) It's how long it will last you. That 1.4Ghz processor is going to feel dated that much sooner.

      That's it. It's really not much different than driving a car with 300hp vs 350hp. Are you going to get from one end of town to the other any faster, or even faster than 135hp Civic? Most likely not.

    2. Re:Off topic: why GHz? by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      All things being equal (same chipset, same RAM, same CPU line), more GHz == more speed. Also note that you're using extremely niche applications. Most people are doing things like editing their home movies, where a 10% faster CPU results in a 10% faster conversion process. The slower CPU will still get the job done in a reasonable amount of time, but if spending a few bucks up front means less waiting over the life of the computer, then it might be a pretty reasonable upgrade.

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    3. Re:Off topic: why GHz? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Most people are doing things like editing their home movies

      I would really like to see the universe where 'most people' do
      video editing, because it really has to be a strange place.

      Probably a bit like the universe where everyone needs photoshop.

    4. Re:Off topic: why GHz? by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      iMovie comes with Macs, and flash camcorders can be had for well under $100. Video editing isn't exactly exotic these days.

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    5. Re:Off topic: why GHz? by jw3 · · Score: 1

      You mean -- text writing, preparing presentations, web browsing for fun and profit, watching movies, processing photos from my camera are all "extremely niche applications"? Yet I don't think that CPU makes such a difference for these. Most of the time my laptop runs at 600MHz anyways, and jerks up to its nominal 1.3 only rarely.

      What do you think has more impact on the performance: using Photoshop for basic photo operations (where the faster, more lightweight programs like ACDSee or Picasa would also do), or the 10% difference in the CPU speed?

      The main reason why I am writing that is that I was recently looking for a new laptop. Most of the reviews focus on performance comparisons, while at the same time quickly going over things like haptics (quality of the keyboard, for example), quality of the display, even battery time. Finding detailed information on the laptop weight is also hard: usually, you see one number (say, 1.4kg) for a whole family of models, irrespective of the configuration, battery etc. etc.

      j.

  27. Commercial badly needed Ricardo Montalban by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Funny

    That commercial would have been perfect, if only Ricardo Montalban were still with us to tout the "Rich Corinthian Leather" of the Adamo (and hey, they DO talk about leather around 2:17 in the Adamo video).

      It could be in a wrist pad...

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  28. Re:Which is it? Cheap, Fast, or Pretty? by Auroch · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They're competing in a market filled with people BUYING MACBOOK AIRs. They don't need to be intelligent. They just need to look expensive.

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  29. If you turn off Javascript... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it actually serves up a decent page, with a couple pics and some specs. I think the Adamo is pretty hideous, personally, and I'm no Dell hater.

  30. Real shame. by feepness · · Score: 1

    I LOVE my Dell Mini 9. $220 shipped, $20 upgrade to 2GB memory. Runs Ubuntu like a champ.

    Don't let this overpriced Edsel turn you off to their entire line.

    1. Re:Real shame. by wintermute000 · · Score: 1

      It also runs OSX like a champ (yes, even integrated 3G modem and bluetooth).

      I would do ubuntu except I can't get the friggin wvdial config down to work with the integrated 3G card, and network manager spasms out (something to do with a nonstandard AT string from my research) and after wasting a weekend on it I decided to waste a weekend on hackintosh instead of the possibility of finding a fix :)

    2. Re:Real shame. by feepness · · Score: 1

      I haven't got the integrated 3G, but I have tethered it to my Motorola V3xx without a hitch using a five dollar bluetooth adapter. I am more pleased with this thing than I have been with any electronics I've purchased for a long time.

  31. MegaHertz myth? by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

    The Adam-O machines are clearly using the low powered versions optimised for battery life.

    If this gives you an extra 3/4hr battery life(*), some would count that as a feature over raw performance.

    (*) I just made that figure up but you get the idea.

  32. Gizmodo should be named AppleModo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gizmodo is a useless site. They are 100% apple fanboys. Almost every post is apple centric. Anything anyone comes out they claim it an apple copy. I never believe them. I have seen so much in the past and stopped following it now. I have high regards for Slashdot and a site like this quality should never refer to a site like quality less cheap Gizmodo. Please moderator do not let the value of Slashdot go down by allowing posts like these with no quality or from sites that lack quality.

  33. A torques bit?!? by supernova_hq · · Score: 1

    I would hate to buy a laptop only to find you need a fucking TORQUES bit to open it!

    1. Re:A torques bit?!? by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      I would hate to buy a laptop only to find you need a fucking TORQUES bit to open it!

      Yeah, it's not like you can just buy them for $3.00 at Sears.

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    2. Re:A torques bit?!? by altek · · Score: 1

      Dude, its not like thats some exotic fastener that takes an act of corporate espionage to get the tools for. Ace is the place.

      And for the record, it's Torx, not torques.

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  34. Of more interest by snaz555 · · Score: 1

    When it comes to measurements, I'm much more interested in how long it takes from when you open the lid to when you can check you email or load a web page. So wake time, plus wifi auto connect time, plus DHCP config time, plus browser/mail connection and load/rendering time. Also, I'd be interested to know how long it will not only run on a charge, but also how long it will sleep on one, and whether I can swap batteries while it's sleeping and have it stay asleep. Assuming the battery is replaceable of course.

    Most of the "performance" above is not hardware related at all, but software related, like how the wifi drivers and network protocols like DHCP are implemented, and how well the stack is vertically integrated. They're somewhat dependent on performance and capabilities provided by the hardware though.

    For a laptop I think this is much, much, much more important than how well it plays some game.

  35. the show-stopper for me: by UncleTogie · · Score: 1

    I can't remove the battery.

    When working on laptops, popping the battery is one of the first steps before you start to dig into the guts. Is there a physical disconnect switch on this Dell? What if the battery is bad as shipped? Who swaps the battery out if/when needed, and does that void the warranty?

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  36. This is a machine... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...for people who confuse style with design.