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Rugged Linux Server For Rural, Tropical Environment?

travalas writes "Last year I moved to Rural Bangladesh. My work is pretty diverse, everything from hacking web apps to designing building materials. Increasingly a Linux VM on my MacBook Pro is insufficient due to storage speed/processing constraints and the desire to interface more easily with some sensor packages. There are a few issues that make that make a standard server less than desirable. This server will generally not be running with any sort of climate control and it may need to move to different locations so would also be helpful if it was somewhat portable. The environment here is hot, humid and dusty and brutal on technology and power is very inconsistent so it will often be on a combination of Interruptible Power Supply and solar power. So a UPS is a must and low power consumption desirable, so it strikes me that an Integrated UPS a la Google's servers would be handy. Spec wise it needs to be it needs to be able to handle several VM's and some other processor storage intensive tasks. So 4 cores, 8GB of ram and 3-4 TB of SATA storage seems like a place to start for processing specs. What sort of hardware would you recommend without breaking the bank?"

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  1. All that and ruggedized? by Viv · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah, not breaking the bank isn't going to be an option here, I'm afraid.

    1. Re:All that and ruggedized? by TJamieson · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What would you suggest? Lesser hardware? Surely there must be a solution somewhere in the middle of "I want this" and "I can use this".

      To me, this situation screams 'require redundancy'. I understand this was not given as an option originally, but with the environment described I would certainly not want to rely on one single server.

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    2. Re:All that and ruggedized? by Viv · · Score: 4, Interesting

      To give you some sense of what I'm getting at:

      I pay about $1500 for a ruggedized setup like you're talking about -- except it's a pentium class processor with 128MB of RAM and 256MB of flash.

    3. Re:All that and ruggedized? by Viv · · Score: 4, Funny

      If you can show me a laptop that can handle -40C to 85C, high levels of humidity, draws no more than 5W of power, needs no fans for cooling, and reasonably gracefully handles transients associated with lightning strikes for less than $1500, I'll gladly buy it.

    4. Re:All that and ruggedized? by HBI · · Score: 4, Informative

      Sure, get a Dell XFRD630. Which is a 630 with a hardened rubber cover and latch doors for the ports. What that does for heat or ruggedizing, I have no idea. It dies if you dump any water on it. It dies if you press too hard on the keyboard even. Total POS.

      I've played with most ruggedized systems available on the market in humid, hot, desert, cold, snowy - you name it - climates. They all are pretty much useless. I prefer using just a regular laptop. If it breaks, it breaks. The ruggedization has $$$ cost and inconvenience associated with it, and the first thing that suffers is human interface. Since I brought the computer to DO things, that is not negotiable. If you just want something pretty and expensive that you don't use, get a ruggedized system.

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    5. Re:All that and ruggedized? by BikeHelmet · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't know of a laptop like that, but I've seen PDAs and micro-tablets that meet those criteria.

    6. Re:All that and ruggedized? by Viv · · Score: 2, Informative

      The ideal human interface for my needs is console to an RS-232, so annoying rubberized keypads don't matter to me.

    7. Re:All that and ruggedized? by jonbryce · · Score: 2, Informative

      A beowulf cluster of laptops should do it.

    8. Re:All that and ruggedized? by Viv · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Read his environmental description.

      Maximum historical temperature in Bangladesh is >40C; what kind of place is this server going to be stored? Move to different locations? No climate control? I can easily see requiring >85C handling.

      Rainy season means high humidity.

      The 5W power requirement is flexible, but remember that adding 1W of power increases your solar power costs -- to the tune of $22 or so in panelling (in Bangladesh), not including any secondary costs.

      Dusty? Okay, use fans if you really want to. Be prepared for frequent failures, or a regular routine of cleaning and replacing filters.

      Unreliable power and using solar? Yeah, you're going to want to gracefully handle some really nasty transients.

      No, my requirements are not exactly the same as his. But the point is that he's running in a really hostile environment, like I am, and it's going to cost him.

    9. Re:All that and ruggedized? by camperslo · · Score: 2, Funny

      If you can show me a laptop that can handle -40C to 85C, high levels of humidity, draws no more than 5W of power, needs no fans for cooling, and reasonably gracefully handles transients associated with lightning strikes for less than $1500, I'll gladly buy it.

      One of these should hold up very well.
      For added lightning resistance you might want to order a version opting for some ceramic or bone components.
      (Bone may be a "greener" choice where you are)

    10. Re:All that and ruggedized? by djdavetrouble · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, there are already military specs for this sort of stuff.

      Also, "Waterproof computer" turned up lots of interesting resultes.

      Like this one: terralogic computer

      Also, "marine computer" turned up quite a few results for high moisture, corrosive type environments.

      Buddy,
      I don't think you need to reinvent the wheel or ask slashdot how to DIY. There are ample solutions out there,
      your work lies in researching them. Good luck!

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    11. Re:All that and ruggedized? by DrgnDancer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      We had a lot of success with Toughbooks in Iraq. As far as heat and dust go they are amazing. We never dealt with the kind of cold you're talking about, but since the Army uses them for arctic ops I assume they're capable there too. Of the roughly 25 Toughbooks my command was issued at the beginning of our 1 year tour, we had hard drives die in 2 of them, and no other problems. By my estimation that's more or less normal failure expectation for 25 machines. My thought on OPs problem is a cluster of Toughbooks. 4 of them with a clustered file system setup with the clustered equivalent of a RAID5 for storage. A lot depends on his definition of cheap. Something like I'm talking about would be redundant, able to handle long term power outages, and provide the needed horsepower, for a cost in the neighborhood of 10-15K. It would burn more power than a single server when running on solar though.

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    12. Re:All that and ruggedized? by sometimel8r · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ok...here is a real world solution for you. I have been to some of the worst areas of the world with all the gear I needed to deploy some exotic solutions. Part of the solution is high tech but all the most important components are low tech. Traveling Enclosures - I use 2 AV Road cases which are used by sound engineers. Reason - the front and back come off, have racking built in and they are rugged. Paint the exterior with an enamel based paint and let it cure. Road case 1 is for the gear. Road case 2 is for charging equipment. You cannot relay on the local power and solar. I will explain road case 2 first. Get a portable generator - gas/disel/propane whatever there is most plentiful in your region. Make sure there is an alternator or pickup one up. Get 2 wet cell car batteries...mount the batteries, your BDU and small UPS in the road case. Road case 1 has your gear in it. I use the cheapest equipment because I expect it to be stolen at some time. I have a nextstar external mounted as an external. A pc104 board with 2 hard drives acting as my NAS. A regular linksys wireless router. Power strip and two cheap laptops. This way I can unplug what i don't need and plug in the things that I am using that moment. Feel free to customize with the gear you need. The only consideration is to never let 2 pieces of equipment be directly behind another for air flow. The above acts as my mobile operations center. I usually use the smallest laptop or whatever is best for situations where there is an unknown schedule. Now the important stuff (from high tech to low tech): 1. Order a box of oxygen eaters used for packing. These things are super cheap. 2. Vacuum Sealer and bags. 3. Food grade pail w/ a Gamma lid. 4. 2 cheap fans 5. Everywhere in the world has lump charcoal. 1-3 is to hold spare hard drives, backups or anything of importance. 4. Place the fans at the front and back of the road case. 1 to pull air and the other to suck air. 5. place lump charcoal in a gauze bag and put into road case to absorb humidity.

    13. Re:All that and ruggedized? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Don't be ridiculous. Kerala (India), where I am from, has pretty much the same conditions. We have tropical weather, is hotter than Bangladesh and is closer to the coast.

      We manage to run our computers and UPS just fine without any modifications. Just don't put your computer close to walls - they get hot. Also make sure that you put your computer table legs in a plate of water / keep fan outlets covered with mesh. That way ants/flies can't get into the computer.
      I bought my first computer when I was in Chennai which is even hotter and humid. It broke down and i thought it was overheating because it had no AC - turns out it was a bad memory DIMM. I fixed it and it ran like a champ for 3 years. I never turned it off since we used it in our dorm (hostel) as a gaming server.

      That'll pretty much do it for the life of the computer.

    14. Re:All that and ruggedized? by fractoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So he needs a 4-core 8GB server with over 3TB of storage (meaning a RAID), but he can't get mains power? If the power supply is that intermittent that a bank of deep cycle sealed lead-acid batteries couldn't smooth it out (and at this point I'd suggest one of those Honda petrol gensets, they're pretty cheap for a 1kW unit these days), I bet the local internet connection isn't any better. If it is then just home the server in a city somewhere, otherwise how is the machine going to connect to the rest of the world?

      Car analogy time: he's basically saying he wants a Ferrari with the off-road capability of a Jeep, and it has to run for 500 miles on a tank of cane sugar... but it also has to be as cheap as a scooter.

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    15. Re:All that and ruggedized? by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Interesting

      All he really needs is a laptop with 2 internal 500 gig hard disks, so he can run them as a RAID1. In other words, a sub-$1k 17" laptop.

      Benefits:

      • low power consumption
      • no need for a crappy 15-minute-lifespan ups - the built-in battery will give an hour or more, easily
      • extremely portable
      • built more ruggedly than a standard desktop
      • no need for a separate monitor

      If he needs more storage space for backup or data, mount a few external hard drives, or make a cluster of laptops.

  2. Silicon by amclay · · Score: 2, Funny

    You might try (if it's too humid) putting some silicon packets in the box. They should help absorb the moisture.

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    1. Re:Silicon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      If they're big enough there's the potential of changing the entire climate of Bangladesh.

    2. Re:Silicon by Z00L00K · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I would actually go for a sealed box with cooling fins and then some water cooling with an external radiator and fans.

      Sealed box - mostly to keep any kind of bugs out of the box and also to try to keep the humidity down. Add some silica gel inside to keep it dry.

      Remember that silica gel can be re-used, you just have to dry it in some way.

      I'm assuming that the box doesn't have to be deluge-proof, so just make it reasonably sealed. Add thermometers and possibly a small radiator/fan inside for general cooling of the PSU air.

      With water cooling you will get a stable temperature and be able to get rid of a lot of heat - and be able to vent the heat outdoors.

      Also select the most power-efficient PSU you can get your hands on to avoid unnecessary heat.

      And for UPS - that shall be located in a separate compartment to avoid catastrophic problems in case you get a battery leak.

      Mounting the whole box on inflatable rubber wheels would be a good idea - not only for moving it, but the rubber wheels can also provide vibration dampening when transporting.

      Rugged things get heavy.

      And don't forget - mount the hard drives using extra shock-proofing in some way. Mirrored drives is also a good idea since it may save you from some agony.

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    3. Re:Silicon by EdZ · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Forget air cooling entirely. Look up oil-immersed PCs. Immersing all but the HDDs in oil entirely removes the problems of dust and humidity. All you then need is to cool the oil, which can be done with either a pump and a passive radiator, or an immersed cooler which can be easily replaced when/if it breaks down. It would also provide a small amount of protection of shocks and vibration if the components were isolation mounted. It also has the benefit of being surprisingly when custom made (compared to commercial ultra-rugged servers). Unfortunately, it will still need some creative thinking to handle poorly regulated power supplies, and can be unpleasent to work on if a component fails. And it's nowhere near an elegant, low power solution, but as the article specifically mentions a quad-core with a terabyte drive array, I doubt power efficiency is high on the list of priorities.

  3. You can't have your cake and eat it too. by PyroMosh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ever heard the expression "Fast, reliable, cheap (pick two)"?

    It applies here.

    Of course, you were fairly specific with the processing specs you need, but not your budget. So it's hard to say what "breaking the bank" is for you. also, you called it a UPS, but you also called it an "Interruptible Power Supply". I'm assuming a brain-fart, but the "U" stands for Uninterruptible.

    Just picking nits.

    1. Re:You can't have your cake and eat it too. by Mr.+Freeman · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, the power he is supplied with is Interruptable.
      Therefore, he needs an UNinterruptible power supply.

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    2. Re:You can't have your cake and eat it too. by travalas · · Score: 3, Informative

      We have both interruptible and uninterruptible power supplies here. The difference is that IPS's take about a second to switch over to the batteries

  4. Not gonna happen by AnonGCB · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Low power consumption, quad core, 8 gigs of ram, a UPS and a few TB of storage? 1. Not gonna be cheap, though I'm not sure what your budget is, this will be somewhat pricey. 2. You might want to get a few UPS's, because I doubt, unless you get a very large solar array, that you will be able to run it on that. Expect power loss, disable write caching on the disks, etc. Also, a UPS isn't meant to be used as a constant power source, just as a way to keep you from losing work if power goes out, and if you're lucky, hold you over till it flickers back on. 3. This will NOT be portable, those UPS's will be a pain to move. Good luck, I certainly don't mean to be so negative, but this is a somewhat unreasonable thing to look for.

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    1. Re:Not gonna happen by xous · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually,

      There are several types of UPS and the better ones you ARE running off the batteries of the UPS all the time.

      Offline/Standby: cheap as hell, not something you want to use in a bad power environment for anything important.

      Line-Interactive: better but still wouldn't use it for anything important

      Double-conversion / online: this is the probably the best solution for the OP. OP should get one with weather protection for his intended usage.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uninterruptible_power_supply

  5. Laptop by B5_geek · · Score: 4, Informative

    Get a laptop or 3.
    Portable - check
    UPS - check
    Able to handle no climate control - check
    4 cores & 8GB - check
    4TB of storage - Get an external drive bay. (Do you really need that much storage? really?)

    Some of the XPS line from Dell or other 'Gaming' laptops should do the trick.

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    1. Re:Laptop by glennpratt · · Score: 3, Informative

      I agree, this is probably the best suggestion without knowing more of your budget.

      Laptops are the closest thing you will get without breaking the bank - you could probably buy a few + storage with for what a truly ruggedized server system would cost. They will be infinitely more portable and easy to run on DC; plus they will run for years on DC while most UPSs wont.

      If it must be real servers - I'd build them in something like this:

      http://www.racksolutions.com/transport-case.shtml

      Heck, you could fit a pretty powerful network, including a large battery inside one - but it will cost lots of money.

  6. Not enough info by Rix · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What exactly are you doing, and why does your server need to be on site?

    If you really need to be lugging all that around the wilderness, it's not going to be cheap.

  7. I do espy a kind of hope: by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While, unfortunately, any "real" solution to dealing with hot, dusty, humid, and otherwise unpleasant environments is going to cost a bloody fortune; the relatively modest specs that you are looking for should help.

    4 cores, 8GB of RAM, and 3-4 TB of HDD is, these days, a slightly nicer than average; but hardly exotic, desktop computer. The nice thing about desktops is that, unlike servers, they are designed to deal with human environments, rather than datacenter ones. No AC, cat hair, cigarette smoke, that sort of thing. Plus, they are cheap and almost exactly the shape of a small rolling suitcase.

    Since the environment is nasty, you'll want to make sure that the system has enough fans to keep things cool even if one conks out when you aren't there, and you'll want to have at least one spare drive in your RAID.

    There is a good solution to your problem, probably manufactured to mil-spec by General Dynamics, that costs 50 times as much as you can afford; but, in this case, you might well be able to get away with doing it the cheap way, since your computational requirements are actually fairly modest.

  8. toughbook + satellite internet by fwice · · Score: 4, Interesting

    get a toughbook, a satellite uplink, and colo a server somewhere controlled.

    seriously. finding the computational strength you want with the power restrictions is not going to happen.

    my company just shipped some units to a desert in the middle east (can't mention where). we bought an entire trailer and powering units (generators, solar, etc) to provide the juice to run the servers and air conditioning. it was _not_ cheap. you can do that or you can remote to a controlled area.

    1. Re:toughbook + satellite internet by Magic5Ball · · Score: 2, Informative

      Different poster, but...

      OpenVPN default settings on UDP work reasonably well on the cheap birds if latency isn't a deakbreaker. For best results, be prepared to spend for your own time, or at least find out how the provider mangles/fakes layer 3 going up and down and adjust your packets accordingly. Also try to originate close to the uplink to save 50-200ms each way on the ground.

      Bandwidth gets really expensive if you don't design your solution correctly. (Hint: Most remote desktop tech support is performed incorrectly. Consider what information the helpdesk actually needs to model and solve the problem before sending lots of pretty pictures with low information density around the world.) If you must do remote desktops, NX may or may not help with TCO vs putting a terminal server on site, and using it smartly. Even if you're supporting Windows boxes, it's also worthwhile to look into some of the commercial X implementations that optimize for poor bandwidth conditions.

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  9. No Servers for what you describe by Britz · · Score: 2, Informative

    I don't think there are any servers for those requirements:
    portable, rugged, low power (incl. UPS)

    But those are the exact specs of the rugged laptop. Laptops have built-in UPS units (called batteries) and are low in power consumption.

    Panasonic Toughbooks, or Toshiba Tecra ruggedized come to mind. Dell also has some new offerings in that segment:
    http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/latit_xfr_d630?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd

  10. You Want It All to Run On Nothing by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You sound like you want a high power server (multiple VM's) with significant storage (multiple TB's) to run on no power in an unconditioned environment. And you want it affordable. Those are rather contradictory requirements, rather like having cake and eating it too.

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  11. Rugged Laptops? by jaker29902 · · Score: 4, Informative
    http://www.dell.com/xfr Apparently this is dells solution to your problem, has ballistic armor and is apparently able to be drop kicked into a pool with rabid sharks who have chainsaws for teeth.

    You could get an external drive and possible cluster them together for the enhanced processor power? Dont know but this taptop seems to be able to handle the enviroment you want it to. Also UPS plus Solar Panels = headache so be prepared!

  12. Two Options by MBCook · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I can think of two options.

    Option one:

    1. Buy a really beefy server
    2. Stick it in a hosting service
    3. SSH into it from a Dell Mini 9, possibly connected to a sat-phone type thing

    That would do most of what you want. No graphics, but it would work well. You can have all the storage and CPU power you can use. You could even set it up like a batch processing cluster.

    Option two:

    1. Buy 5 Dell Mini 9s
    2. Buy/make some charger circuits
    3. Get some lead-acid batteries, maybe solar panels, and a ton of SD cards
    4. Thank your lucky stars computers as cheap, rugged, and powerful as the Mini 9 are so easily available

    You will not get what you want for a reasonable price, you want too much. High powered computers can't be put everywhere on Earth regardless of infrastructure. They really need some basic environment controls and good power.

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  13. Dehumidifier by moniker127 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Wouldn't it be easier to just hook up a dehumidifier and use normal (non-rugged) parts?

  14. What could you possibly be doing ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... in rural Bangladesh that requires 4 cores, 8GB Ram, and 4 TB of storage? I can understand if you're in the city and involved in some company, but you make it sound like you want some serious number crunching to occur in the middle of the jungle.

    How about offloading all of your processing requirements to a co-located server and just getting a cheap rugged laptop to access and control the processing.

    1. Re:What could you possibly be doing ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      In other news, The Pirate Bay have resorted to a mobile server operation running from the Bangladeshi Jungle...

    2. Re:What could you possibly be doing ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      ou're?

      we, as humanity, have reached a new low.

  15. Low Power, High Performance, Inexpensive by religious+freak · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Choose two

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  16. Hard Drives and Motherboard Suggestion by amcchord · · Score: 2, Informative

    In looking at your specs I think your storage is going to be the hardest to deal with. Todays 1TB drives are quite fragile. Drop them from a table and 90% of the time they are goners. In addition without serious cooling they can get very hot (I am looking at you segate) and once you get upwards of 55 Celsius they start to break down fast. Even worse would the temperature cycling due to the fact the server is not online 24/7. Seeing as you are power constrained its probably not going to feasible to go with a ton of 250GB drives ect...

    To build something like this in a ruggedized form is going to be expensive (5k + for the basics) Is there a way you could reduce your data requirments? 4TB is a tremendous amount of data.

    If you were willing to compromise

    One other suggestion. Go with a MiniITX board and a DC-DC power supply This one is cheap and you could put an AMD CPU in it http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813500021 Then add a 45 Watt AMD CPU and maybe RAID 5 with 500GB laptop HD's
    In theory you could build a decent dual core 2.6 Ghz system with 1.5 TB of storage, 4GB of ram and all powered by 12Volt DC (negating the UPS need.. just use 12volt Batteries) for a reasonable price. A system like this would be small and portable. If you needed more horsepower I would suggest building multiples.

    It would likely be much more cost effective to build multiple moderately powerful systems than one massive one.

  17. Less than 5W of power? by davidwr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's going to be a performance limiter at any price, especially if you need x86-compatibility.

    At least for now.

    There are some nice low-power architectures out there if you don't mind having to use a free operating system. For them, the degree ruggedization will be a driving cost factor. -40C-+85C costs more than 0C-50C, but it costs less than -70C-+120C.

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    1. Re:Less than 5W of power? by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2, Interesting

      -40C-+85C costs more than 0C-50C, but it costs less than -70C-+120C.

      Um, forget about the computer, but at +120C, isn't the user of the computer going to have a bit of a problem? Or does Dell also sell "Rugged Users" along with its "Rugged Laptops? http://www.dell.com/xfr"

      "Thank you for ordering a Dell Rugged Laptop, would you also like to order a Dell 'Hard Guy' Rugged User along with that? Ballistic Armor for the laptop, user or both?"

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  18. What are you protecting against? by davidwr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Are you protecting against heat and cold or rapid temperature changes? Shock? Humidity and liquid spillage? For each, how much ruggedness are you willing to pay for?

    You can build a computer that can handle -40-85C and both high and low humidity that won't survive a 5-foot drop onto concrete, and you can build a device that will survive a 10-story fall while operating, but that has no extra protection against humidity and temperature extremes.

    State your requirements, and for a price, someone will build it, or at least try.

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  19. Computers in the tropics by cwarner7_11 · · Score: 2

    I work in a tropical humid environment, a good deal of my work taking me away from "civilization" out into the jungle where the only power available may be that which I carry with me. I carry a very cheap Acer throw-away laptop into the jungle with me. It runs Xubuntu and Windows XP, dual boot. Pretty much handles everything I need in the jungle. Includes WiFi, but where am I going to find a WiFi hotspot 120 miles from the nearest road? In fact, I can not always count on a sattelite connection, so often I am without Internet. Back in civilization, I have a couple of conventional desktops, running various operating systems, and this is where I back up everything when I return from the jungle. These, too, survive well without air conditioning. The power supply is much more reliable in the city, but still occassionally flakey. Every 5 years or so, I have to replace a hard drive or a power supply (or both). I find the most cost-effective approach is to buy "throw away" hardware, and have spares and a good backup strategy...

  20. Pff, that's easy by arrenlex · · Score: 5, Funny

    Let me summarize your requirements
    -> Runs cool and quiet
    -> Heat, humidity, dust resistant
    -> Portable
    -> Low power requirements
    -> Integrated UPS
    -> Very beefy server
    -> Cheap

    If you find one drop me an email, I want to install Duke Nukem Forever on it.

  21. RV? by vlm · · Score: 3, Informative

    Sounds like you want plain ole standard commercial grade server hardware mounted in a tiny RV.
    Extensively shock mount a relay rack, put in somewhat bigger AC/batteries/genset than usual, and you're good to go.
    You can use the living quarters to house the armed guard, which will be required for expensive equipment in that corner of the world.

    Trying to buy super tough server hardware will simply be more expensive than a RV and much harder to replace / maintain when it breaks.

    Admittedly I'm mystified what you'd do with such immense computing power in a rural area without electricity. Maybe a really nice mythtv backend? Educate the locals using SimTractor?

    You do realize that Bangladesh is like 1 foot above sea level, so no need to engineer this to last forever when its going to get washed into the sea every couple years by storms etc. Using a RV could help in the evac, assuming there is any place safe to evac to...

    Alternately, split your workload transparently across maybe 50 smaller machines, and start purchasing replacements when attrition nears 75%.

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  22. Dunk it in oil. by w0mprat · · Score: 4, Informative

    I know some guys who were running some wi-fi gear on a roof with a small linux server etc andto beat the elements (many days a year of driving horizontal rain and gale force windows) they submerged some low power components in a metal tool chest filled with mineral oil. Their set up had 4gb CF and USB keyfobs for storage. There was a 12VDC input power car-PC-style supply that handles variable input (goes as low as 6v) and they ran long wires down to a small 240v/12v transformer in the building. This meant that even if moisture got in, the components were very well protected as water would sit at the bottom of the oil, and there was utterly no dangerous voltage exposed to the outdoors. They later they went with a smaller o-ring sealed aluminum box filled with proper transformer oil, but the original hack was working fine after 1 year.

    From my own experience with dunking rigs in oil, you only need to watch out for a few things, one being the mineral oil leaching plasticizers out of wire insulation - they eventually become brittle. You also need to seal your electrolytic caps with a little epoxy so the rubber seal doesn't get eaten alive. Interestingly most caps seem to survive a long time like this, but personally I'd recommend motherboards with solid aluminum caps.

    However these things don't become a problem for months, so you'd likely get away with just dunking your rig and leaving it. You also cannot dunk a HDD, as the oil will get inside it and foul things up. I haven't tried it, but it would be possible to seal up in a box or 'pot' a mechanical HDD in epoxy, but best to stick with SSD / Compactflash.

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  23. Cases by WTF+Chuck · · Score: 2, Informative

    You might accidentally break the bank. You may want to try putting the server and a rackmount UPS into something like the cases you can find here. Take along a back-up generator. And lots of fans and filters. Spare parts for the server would also be helpful.

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  24. Redundancy by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 3, Informative

    Buy a used 1U rack Dell server with redundant power supplies, Pentiums, ethernets and HDs on a RAID. Then replace the HDs with Flash SSD. Then put the whole thing in a plywood box with an air conditioner mounted on top, tubes blowing cold air in and three .00 grade nylon layers over the out vents, the upper layer removable. Seal all cracks, especially around cable slots, with silicone caulk. Run the whole thing as a unit, cleaning the air conditioner filters and out vent screens twice a day (so get two sets of those filters).

    Keep spares of each redundant part. Buy two of those whole units (including air conditioners), because one unit will die anyway.

    Run them on an ethernet switch, one powered down except once a day or so to sync their RAIDs.

    Or rent a server at some global datacenter, and get WiFi/pringles antenna to an ISP somewhere.

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  25. Mothra? by happymellon · · Score: 2, Funny

    I don't think I really want to know how you can accomplish that...

  26. Nvidia Ion with an Intel Atom by F34nor · · Score: 2, Informative

    Tiny, portable, low power, and no moving parts.

  27. How portable exactly? by travellerjohn · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I managed the IT for a couple of organisations in Cambodia and then Lao for a couple of years. Environments not so different from Bangladesh I suspect.

    My experience was that it was best to buy standard mid range kit (IBM, or Dell Poweredge servers in tower cases worked just fine) and then invest in some physical infrastructure and climate control. It was generally straightforward enough to find a secure corner of an office and put install a small self contained rack with a UPS or two. Or even better get someone to wall up a corner of an office and put in an aircon. That kind of skill was in plentyful supply.

    Lugging around some serious kit in that kind of environment would give me sleepless nights. The chance of it getting dropped, rained on or stolen is just too high. (We had a couple of laptops stolen while I was there, and you aint going to be happy chap if you come back to your hotel one night and find your server has gone walkies.) I advise you try and travel with what you need, preferrably a run of the mill inconspicuous laptop and find a secure base or two for your servers.

  28. A few pointers - it's not as hard as people say by daybot · · Score: 2, Informative

    Just build two commodity servers - obtain reliability through redundancy and you'll get the specs you want without ridiculous cost.

    Here are some tips.

    • Keep spares of everything, especially fans and PSUs.
    • Check out Intel's new 65W quad core chips if you really need quad core.
    • Use a simple, fanless motherboard and a CPU heatsink with a good reputation.
    • Invest in good fans - like these.
    • For power, you just need a standard UPS and possibly a generator - Google wouldn't bother with homebrew internal designs if they only had two servers.
  29. Go Small or Go Home by grcumb · · Score: 5, Informative

    What would you suggest? Lesser hardware? Surely there must be a solution somewhere in the middle of "I want this" and "I can use this".

    Yep, there is. But it's not always where you think.

    Shameless (but hopefully useful) self-promotion:

    I've been living and working in Least Developed Countries in the tropics for nearly 6 years now, and for the last 2, I've been writing a weekly IT-related column called Communications. There's a ton of advice in there. Go take a look. Check my tag cloud for relevant topics.

    Here are a few fundamentals:

    -1- The first thing to do is to adjust both hardware and - and this is important- software to the circumstances. Focus on the task first, then avoid confusing how that task is completed in a North American office environment with 'the right way' to do things.

    -2- Scale everything down, in order to make the cost of failure of any single element as small as possible. This way, you get a solution that's replicable, affordable and - most importantly- easily replaced when (not if) it breaks.

    -3- If you have unreliable power, then do two things first: Make your system tolerant to current fluctuations[*], and then plan for an intermittently available service. Forget about trying to keep it running at all times. Just minimise the cost of interruptions. A surge suppressing electrical switch on the wall where your main power source enters the building will cost you less and save you more than anything else.

    [*] Bad (i.e. poor quality) power is the source of about 80% of hardware failure where I live. Every time the local power company hits us with brown-outs and spikes, I'd get a surge (heh!) of customer service calls.

    To me, this situation screams 'require redundancy'. I understand this was not given as an option originally, but with the environment described I would certainly not want to rely on one single server.

    Yes, redundancy is good. Cheap, small, easily replaced devices are good. Snap-shotted VMs are also good. The bottom line is that you need to keep the cost of failure low, because the system is certain to fail due to environmental factors. A good motto for working in the Developing World is: If you can't beat 'em, at least don't lose too much.

    The best way to do this is to try to run on hardware that's about 3-5 years behind the curve, or to go straight to the bleeding edge of low-power tech.

    To the submitter: I have a personal interest in Bangladesh, by the way. You can reach me by leaving a comment on my website. Good luck!

    P.S. Unless money and space are no object, you'll never run full-time computing services on solar power. Especially in monsoon season. IMO, best not to try.

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    1. Re:Go Small or Go Home by TJamieson · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What a very interesting post (as evidenced by the +5). Thank you!

      To boil it down, it sounds like the biggest single problem once you actually HAVE a machine is keeping juice to it consistently.

      What I'm wondering now is, how do you solve that problem? Capacitance systems? Would there not be a (potentially) larger cost involved in just keeping power to the box(es)?

      (FWIW, I've not read through your site yet, so if you've already covered this topic, my apologies... you are bookmarked though)

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    2. Re:Go Small or Go Home by DrgnDancer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As a thought (I'm replying to you since you're apparently somewhat expert at this), how does a cluster of ruggedized laptops sound? I worked with these thing in Iraq, and I was quite impressed with their ability to resist the elements. On the plus side, the machines are very rugged, very portable, and when combined make for a fair amount of processing power. They're more resistant to power outages than even a good UPS setup would allow and with a clustered file system they have a good amount of storage. On the downside they're going to used more power. A cluster is always going to used more power than single system. This can mitigated by allowing systems to use power management, but no matter how you do it, a fully loaded cluster is going to consume more power than a fully loaded server.

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    3. Re:Go Small or Go Home by grcumb · · Score: 3, Informative

      To boil it down, it sounds like the biggest single problem once you actually HAVE a machine is keeping juice to it consistently.

      Yep. Power is the single biggest problem faced by rural ICT-related projects in my part of the world. It's dead easy to find someone to donate equipment. It's incredibly hard finding someone willing to pay you to run it.

      The answer to the power question is horses for courses, I'm afraid. Some places have great power generation possibilities, either through solar, small-scale hydro or wind. Some projects just find the cash to keep a generator running. Most don't.

      In every case, reducing your power footprint only makes sense. Batteries are hugely expensive and difficult to transport, so the less power storage you need, the better. Running off low-voltage DC is great, because it's much more efficient over short distances.

      Solid-state is your friend. It's more resistant to heat, dust and other environmental factors. Small form factors also help, because buildings are often rudimentary at best. Being able to stick everything in a seal-able, easily transported box makes everyone's life easier.

      In many cases, the right answer is actually to reduce the amount of automation in your work. Human labour is cheap and time is plentiful, whereas power and equipment are not. Building the right amount of inefficiency into your system is a counter-intuitive but often rewarding approach.

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    4. Re:Go Small or Go Home by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 2, Informative

      Goodness, if possible, forget VM's. Use multiple OLPC systems, which are fiscally sensible, extremely low power, and startingly robust. Salt air and water is a problem: consider machines exposed to that for a year or so to be due for replacement.

      If Windows or a UNIX system are necessary for basic software compatibility reasons, life is rather different.

    5. Re:Go Small or Go Home by grcumb · · Score: 2, Informative

      Goodness, if possible, forget VM's. Use multiple OLPC systems, which are fiscally sensible, extremely low power, and startingly robust. Salt air and water is a problem: consider machines exposed to that for a year or so to be due for replacement.

      [In reply to both you and GP]

      I like the XO a lot, but as a personal computing system, not a server. Frankly, the CPU's a little lightweight for anything non-trivial. Keyboard input is difficult for adults - that's by design, of course - and while I agree that the machine is remarkably robust, the form factor isn't ideal for adult use.

      As for a cluster of anything... while I agree that ruggedised laptops are a good solution for general computing needs, adding pieces to this particular puzzle isn't necessarily a Good Thing. If it were up to me, you'd have to make a pretty compelling case that more than one machine was needed before I'd even contemplate that kind of configuration.

      I've seen systems break down for the most trivial of reasons. You have to factor in local technical capability on top of everything else. In the country I'm living in right now, there's not a single individual with significant experience with distributed computing. If you're confident that support for that level of complexity will be there for the life of the project, then by all means go ahead. Just don't expect things to work if you go offsite for more than 24 hours.

      The KISS principle applies in spades here, Cleverness is usually punished in such scenarios. As a friend of mine likes to say: If you want to make the gods laugh, tell them your plans.

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    6. Re:Go Small or Go Home by grcumb · · Score: 3, Informative

      This is what i was thinking when i read this: that you really have to do ultra-low-power, ie fully ARM processors and SSD/flash so you can run on ~5-10 watts

      Agreed. Given the output of typical small-scale power generation & storage schemes, 5-10 watts really is about the most you can manage if you want full-time operation.

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    7. Re:Go Small or Go Home by electroniceric · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Having also worked in IT in the developing world, under very similar physical conditions described by the OP, my reaction is that the parent's points are all excellent.

      I would add this:

      MANAGE EXPECTATIONS.

      It is particular important in this kind of setting to manage both your own expectations and those of the people to whom you're providing service.

      In my experience, people to whom you're providing service don't appreciate how much more can and does go wrong with a computer than say a phone or a dryer - let alone networked machines or trying to deal with a connection to the Internet. It is worth a lot of effort to help them understand what it takes to provide a particular kind of service. In particular it's important to them think through the cost of that service, often to clarify that the cost of will add up to more they initially can imagine, but that in spite of those costs, there's still a lot of value. Back here in the States, I find that decision-makers in the nonprofit sector often tend to see costs in this limited way and make very limited plans for the ongoing cost of IT service, pile up deferred costs, and inevitably end up struggling along with marginal service and, quite often, higher overall cost.

      Since you're an IT professional, I'm guessing that like nearly all of us, you find the potential in IT very appealing. So it's pretty key to constantly remind yourself that your tradeoffs between well-engineered and practicable are profoundly different than IT folks in the developed world and keep yourself grounded in what's feasible and valuable.

      Other than that, I think the parent knows way more about this subject than the rest of us, so listen to him or her.

  30. First Off by fast+turtle · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Define Portable.

    • less then 10KG = Single Man Portage
    • less then 50KG = Two Man Portable
    • less then 250KG = Truck Portable
    • More then 500KG = Data Center Container

    That's the first thing we need to know as it defines what type of system I'd recommend. Forgoing that information, what I would suggest is dropping Windows from the equation and switch to ARM processor base systems. This gives you the advantage of replacing all of the Linux VM's with standard Hardware, providing multiple redundancies. Another advantage is that the ARM systems can be spec'd to run on as little as 1watt of power (incl HD's) and since they're full linux boxes, you can easily administer them using SSH from a Windows box such as your current laptop.

    The hardware redundancy offered by this is enormous and as the units they can easily be powered by a single Solar panel (sized correctly) combined with a large Deep Cycle 12 volt battery. Use Pico Power supplies (12volt input) and you've got your portable data center. The biggest thing you need to do is ensure that your Solar Panel has sufficient power to recharge the battery while powering the ARM systems. This means figure on at least 2x Solar Wattage over maximum demand to properly recharge the battery to handle a full run overnight. EG: 24 watts of demand means a single 55watt PV panel, though I'd look at using a pair of smaller 30 watt panels for redundancy in case you break a panel. It means you'd be able to run the system at reduced levels. One last item is provide an auxiliary power input for charging the battery bank from a vehicle or generator.

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  31. need climate control by Eric+Smith · · Score: 2, Informative
    I just got back from installing a bunch of equipment in a tropical area (Saipan, Tinian, and Rota, the three inhabited islands of the Commonwealth of Northern Mariana Islands).

    If you need the equipment to have any halfway reasonable reliability, it MUST have some environmental control. You could use a NEMA class 5 enclosure if only the humidity was an issue and the equipment didn't dissipate a lot of heat. However, your hardware description indicates that you will have a lot of heat dissipation.

    The only other option I can see is having some kind of environmental chamber (i.e., an air-conditioned box) to keep the humidity and temperature under control.

    If you don't have that, the equipment WILL fail. It's a matter of WHEN, not IF.

    Almost all electronic equipment is rated for operation at a maximum of 90% relative humidity (non-condensing), and much equipment is rated even lower than that.

    In the CNMI, the _average_ of the daily high relative humidity is above 90% part of the year, and only slightly below 90% the rest of the year.

  32. In Thailand... by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 4, Informative

    I haven't done Bangladesh, but in Thailand if I had it to do over again I would go for four low-spec machines, and a sealed enclosure with compressed air cooling. It isn't the most energy efficient approach, but having a sealed (and slightly positively-pressurized) enclosure does wonders at keeping out moisture, dust, and ants.

    The general idea is to have a couple small compressors (with check-valves) feed into a common reservoir that has adequate time to cool to ambient temperatures. Ideally, you would run at about 300 psi/20 bar, and have a pressure reducing valve inside the enclosure to drop the air to about 10 psi with a 1/16" orifice into the enclosure. (You might have to experiment on orifice and pressure.) Provide a pressure relief valve to keep the enclosure under 2 psig. (Another constrained orifice would work, but you will lose more air.)

    Keep a spare machine in a pelican box with desiccant along with two or three spare hard drives. Keep a backup external USB hard drive in a separate pelican box with dessiccant and only open it up when you are doing a backup.

    I'd also second comments about running everything in virtual machines and being willing to make compromises when one of them isn't working.

    Back in my day, getting 12V power supplies wasn't nearly as easy as Google makes it sound. (You need to have a high enough float voltage to charge the batteries, and have a regulated output that will handle the end cell voltage of the batteries.) The logical alternative is to use 48VDC power supplies which are much more expensive. They are designed to operate within the float/ECV requirements of a VRLA. Don't forget your blocking diodes! Try to stay away from car batteries if you can and find some real deep-cycle batteries. Getting through monsoon season on battery isn't realistic without a huge battery plant. Our island's phone switch was pretty well equipped, but for two months a year the phones only worked when the sun was shining.

    External connectivity was always my nemesis; when the phone switch was down, everything else crapped out. Satellite phones weren't viable from a cost perspective; the consumer satellite service was too unreliable to even be considered.

  33. Netbooks by William-Ely · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'd get a cluster of netbooks and duct tape them at the seams to keep dust out. They are cheap, low power, compact, and they have batteries so they have a UPS built in.

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  34. Are you willing to hack a little? by subreality · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I don't know any off the shelf solution that meets all the requester's needs, but with a little backwoods / third world ingenuity, I think it can be done.

    Seconded, start with a laptop. It's already met a whole bunch of your needs. The big missing piece is environmental hardening. Since it only needs to be moderately portable, there are a few things you can do.

    #1, put the whole setup in a small refrigerator. Seriously. It's an airtight, watertight box. It'll keep out dust, rain and bugs, in addition to obviously keeping everything cool. Set the temperature as high as it'll go, there's no advantage to keeping the system any cooler than 20-25C, but the cooler you make it, the more problems you'll have with condensation on the evaporator coils. Deal with condensation by keeping down the number of times you open the fridge, and have some microfiber towels under the coils to catch the occasional drips. Loosely wrapping might work, but be careful not to over insulate the coils.

    The downside: You'll take a hit on power efficiency, but I'm willing to bet that a decked out laptop and a small fridge pull less power than even the best servers will. Very small fridges based on peltier coolers are even less efficient, but their small size may make up for it. Also plan for what happens when the power goes out: The laptop keeps running, so make sure to have a UPS for the fridge, or that the laptop's battery will die before it gets too hot, or better yet, monitor a temperature sensor, and shut down gracefully when it starts getting too hot.

    It's also a good solution because a fridge is relatively easily serviceable or replaceable compared to server parts. You'll need to carry spares for the laptop, of course.

    Idea #2: Similar to above, but build your own peltier fridge. The main advantage is that you can make a custom enclosure to hold everything, which will keep the size and weight down.

    Idea #3: Just build a hushbox for the laptop. Basically, you build a box around it, with some cooling fans, and furnace filters on the inlets. It'll take care of dust. You might have to shut down in extreme heat, and extreme humidity won't be handled.

    Idea #4: Rugged laptops, like the ToughBook. They're ready to handle dust, moisture, physical abuse, etc, and with upgrades, can get near to the specs you're looking for. These might work well in combination with the suggestions above.

    1. Re:Are you willing to hack a little? by subreality · · Score: 2, Informative

      humid air gets in and immediately condenses into water all over your chilled electronics.

      Which is why I suggest keeping the temperature high.

      Air conditioners are slightly better. They will dehumidify and clean the air before pumping it in.

      Actually, they just form condensation on the coils, and then have a drip pan to carry it outside. Normally they recirculate, and don't pump anything in, for efficiency.

      overclockers have been immersing their entire motherboard in mineral oil (or whatever) for ages now. Solves issues with temp, humidity, dirt, etc.

      It doesn't solve humidity: It just collects in the bottom of the oil, and eventually you have to get it out before it reaches the motherboard. It's the same problem as the fridge has, just in liquid form. :) Either way, raise the board up a little in case water collects underneath.

      Temperature: Mineral oil doesn't directly solve this problem. It gets the heat away from the CPU, but you still have to get it outside of whatever environmental housing you've created. You still need a heat pump of some sort.

      Dirt: No, in my opinion, it makes this much worse. Dirt plus air is cleaned up with a feather duster, or canned air. Dirt plus oil is a real mess.

      And since we're talking about laptops, I'd be really skeptical of a plan to dunk an entire laptop in oil. It'll destroy the keyboard membrane, internal hard drives, fans, and possibly other parts in short order.

      The higher the VA-rating, the longer it will last during a blackout

      This is not true at all. VA stands for Volt-Amps. This is similar to watts: Volts times Amps = Watts, but VA measures the peak momentary power at each point on the sine wave, whereas watts measures the average power.

      The runtime of a UPS is approximately (battery pack voltage * battery pack amp-hour rating * inverter efficiency) = watt hours.

      Since UPS manufacturers are sketchy on the details of their batteries, follow the simple rule of thumb: The runtime of a UPS for a given load is approximately proportional to its weight.

      Pure sine doesn't really matter for modern computer power supplies. They cope just fine with square waves. Buck-Boost capability (which allows it to double-convert power to handle over/undervoltage) IS a big plus if you expect extended brownouts: It'll just suck more amps from the line to keep things running instead of running on batteries until it's fixed.

  35. Not very different to Central & Western Africa by stefanor · · Score: 2
    Our LUG had a talk recently about working with technology in Central and Western Africa. A lot of the same rules apply:
    • Sealed rooms / cabinets can help the air quality at the expense of heat
    • Big (homemade) UPSs with truck batteries can help if you have unreliable power
    • Normal hardware works fine. Esp lower power desktop-grade PCs, which are easier to source and service locally.